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Offline Frans B

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #75 on: February 05, 2010, 09:58:23 am »
Our right to live is something which cannot be discussed by anyone.
But if our right to live is made conditional upon an obligation to fall to our knees, our reply once again is that we will not accept it.
From South of the border
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It is worth any inconvenience, any hardship.” -Andre Vltchek

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2010, 06:40:55 pm »
that is correct FransB but one also must take steps to
help oneself in times like this and not just rely on others
for all the help. i believe it works both ways. gratitude will
go a long way. its unfortunate that many people take advantage
of others generosity at times of disaster

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2010, 02:54:50 am »
The history that “binds” the US and Haiti
Many “commentators” show any inclination to probe the history of US-Haiti relations and its bearing on present catastrophe confronting the Haitian people.
   Rather, the backwardness and poverty that have played a substantial role in driving the death toll into the tens, if not hundreds, of thousands are presented as a natural state of affairs, if not the fault of the Haitians themselves. The United States is portrayed as a selfless benefactor, ready to come to the aid of Haiti with donations, rescue teams, warships and Marines. Especially US Warships and US Marines.
   In a cynical and dishonest editorial, the New York Times Thursday January 14, 2010 began, “Once again the world weeps with Haiti,” a country which it goes on to describe as characterized by “poverty, despair and dysfunction that would be a disaster anywhere else but in Haiti are the norm.”
   The editorial continues: “Look at Haiti and you will see what generations of misrule, poverty and political strife will do to a country.”
   In a background article on the Haitian disaster, the Times adds that the country “is known for its many man-made woes—its dire poverty, political infighting and proclivity for insurrection.”
   In a shorter and even more dismissive editorial, the Wall Street Journal celebrates the fact that the US military will play the leading role in Washington’s response to the earthquake as “a fresh reminder that the reach of America’s power coincides with the reach of its goodness.”
   It goes on to draw an obscene comparison between the Haitian earthquake and the one that struck southern California in 1994, in which 72 people died. “The difference,” the Journal declares, “is a function of a wealth-generating and law-abiding society that can afford, among other things, the expense of proper building codes.”
   The message is clear. The Haitians have only themselves to blame for the hundreds of thousands of dead and injured, because they failed to create sufficient wealth and lacked respect for law and order.
   What is deliberately obscured by this comparison is the real relationship, which has evolved over more than a century, between “wealth generation” in the United States and poverty in Haiti. It is a relationship built on the use of force to pursue US imperialism’s predatory interests in a historically oppressed country.
   By the Obama administration and the Pentagon deploying a US Marine expeditionary force in Haiti, it will mark the fourth time in the past 95 years that the US armed forces have occupied the impoverished Caribbean nation. This time, as in the past, rather than aiding the Haitian people, the essential purpose of such a military action will be to defend US interests and guard against what the Times refers to as the “proclivity for insurrection.”
   The roots of this relationship go back to the birth of Haiti as the first independent black republic in 1804, the product of a successful slave revolution led by Toussaint Louverture, and the subsequent defeat of a French army sent by Napoleon.
   The ruling classes of the world never forgave Haiti for its revolutionary victory. It was subjected to a worldwide embargo that was led by the United States, which feared the Haitian example could inspire a similar revolt in the US’s Southern slave states. It was only with southern secession and the outbreak of the Civil War that the North recognized Haiti—nearly 60 years after its independence.
   From the dawn of the 20th century, Haiti fell under the domination of Washington and the US banks, whose interests were defended by sending US Marines to carry out an occupation that continued for nearly 20 years, maintained through the bloody suppression of Haitian resistance.
   The US Marines left only after carrying out the “Haitianization”—as the New York Times referred to it at the time—of the war against the Haitian people by building an army dedicated to internal repression.
   Subsequently, Washington backed the 30-year dictatorship of the Duvaliers, which began with the coming to power of Papa Doc in 1957. While tens of thousands of Haitians died at the hands of the military and the dreaded Tontons Macoute, US imperialism saw the murderous dictatorship as a bulwark against communism and revolution in the Caribbean.
   Since the mass upheavals that brought down the Duvaliers in 1986, successive US governments, Democratic and Republican alike, have sought to reconstruct a reliable client state capable of defending the markets and investments of US firms attracted by starvation wages, as well as the property and wealth of the Haitian ruling elite. This entails preventing any challenge to a socio-economic order that keeps 80 percent of the population in dire poverty.
   This effort continues today 2010 under the tutelage of Bill and Hillary Clinton—respectively the UN’s special representative to Haiti and the US Secretary of State—who together have Haitian blood on their hands.
   Washington has backed two coups and sent US troops back into Haiti twice in the past 20 years. Both coups were organized to overthrow Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the first Haitian president to be elected by popular vote and without Washington’s approval. Together, the coups of 1991 and 2004 claimed the lives of at least 13,000 more Haitians. In 2004 overthrow, Aristide was forcibly transported out the country by US operatives.
   Needing them in Iraq, the US withdrew its troops in 2004, contracting the job of repression out to a 9,000UN peacekeeping force under leadership of Brazilian army.
   Despite Aristide’s capitulation to the demands of the International Monetary Fund and his willingness to compromise with Washington, the mass support he attracted with his anti-imperialist rhetoric made him anathema to the ruling elites in both Washington and Port-au-Prince. On the orders of the Obama administration, he is barred from returning to Haiti and his political party, Fanmi Lavalas, remains effectively outlawed.
   This is the real and continuing history that, as Obama put it, binds Haiti to US imperialism, which bears overwhelming responsibility for the desperate conditions that have compounded the carnage inflicted by the earthquake.
   There are, however, other ties that bind and are deeply felt, as the immensity of the tragedy in Haiti unfolds. There are over half a million Haitian Americans officially counted in the US and undoubtedly hundreds of thousands more who are undocumented. Their presence concretizes the class interests and solidarity that unite Haitian and American workers. Together, it is their task to sweep away the conditions of poverty and devastation in both countries, along with the capitalist profit system that created them.

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #78 on: February 07, 2010, 11:38:13 am »
although some of the choices by the USA govt havent been at times, the best,
but i do not believe that the USA can be blamed or held responsible for everything
that has gone on in this country. thats a ludicrous response to make. but as i have
said in another post everyone has the right to their opinion and should be allowed to
voice that opinion. for every negative one made by someone you can always find a
positive one. i was born and lived in the USA most all of my life and agree its not a
perfect country but it is still a very good country even with all its problems. and i will
say i used to get disturbed when i would hear many immigrants compliain about it there
and after hearing it for a while i would think to myself  "then go home" if your unhappy
here. everyone has choices and if this choice isnt working for you then return home or go
elsewere to reside. and living in california i did hear this often enough

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« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2010, 12:36:07 pm »
Two things that aren't clear. This first one...

This effort continues today 2010 under the tutelage of Bill and Hillary Clinton—respectively the UN’s special representative to Haiti and the US Secretary of State—who together have Haitian blood on their hands.

Not totally correct. The Clinton's have a stake in Haiti only first it's part of her job and two they honeymooned there so they have sort of feelings for the place.

The other is this...

On the orders of the Obama administration, he is barred from returning to Haiti and his political party, Fanmi Lavalas, remains effectively outlawed.

This is one of the carry over from the previous administration not an order from the Obama administration.

The military was there because of the danger when they dropped off food, water and supplies. Unruly Haitians hurting each other and making it impossible to land for they would be under the blades and not clear the way fro landing to drop off the supplies. They were there to make sure ALL was getting it.

There is something that happen I think yesterday? A group of about a dozen theives tried to rob a bank. They were caught and didn't get any money. When asked, one said he did it because he was hungry? How much FOOD does this bank have? Just goes to show the excuse of hunger is used for anything.
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« Reply #80 on: February 07, 2010, 12:43:56 pm »
but we always get the blame for the root of all evil in the world Vince
somehow it is our fault and that just gets me fuming. yes we sometimes
make some bonehead decisions but we cant be blamed for everything
just pure hogwash if you ask me but anyway it will happen again. they just
needed the money to buy food they were only going to take enough for dinner
yea right

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« Reply #81 on: February 07, 2010, 12:56:31 pm »
"blamed for everything" I can relate to this. I've had it all my life. Never could figure it out? I gotten blamed and wasn't even there? I think it comes from trying to do good?

I'm not saying this (US) is a bad country at all. Just some of the things they come up with? At there level and the smarts they're suppose to have they should know better.

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #82 on: February 07, 2010, 12:57:59 pm »
i agree Vince  dammed if we do dammed even more if we dont

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2010, 08:54:48 am »
Haiti's Creole proverb ...
High on a mountaintop in the rugged badlands of central Haiti, a starling sight confronts the visitor: an enormous, looming fortress rearing skyward, like a medieval castle whisked from the south of France and dropped in the hills of Hispaniola.
   This is the Citadelle Laferriere, the largest fortification in the western hemisphere. It was built between 1805 and 1820 by order of the megalomaniacal Henri Christophe, a leader of the slave revolt of 1791 that ejected the French and made Haiti the first Black republic in world history.
   King Christophe, as he styled himself, built the citadel at the cost of thousands of workers’ lives. He meant to ensure Haiti would repel an expected French invasion; but Christophe committed suicide (some say with a silver bullet) as mutinous troops closed in.
   The citadel remains - the French never came.
Enemies within
But as it turned out, some of Haiti’s worst enemies came not from abroad, but from within. The peasants who slashed and burned the lush forest, turning most of what was a verdant island into arid, rocky scrub. The power-mad, corrupt and oppressive rulers who treated the nation and its people as their personal plaything, from mad king Christophe to the evil Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier and his loathsome son Jean-Claude “Baby Doc”. The corrupt elite that maintains a stranglehold on the country’s wealth, with 2% of the people controlling 90% of assets.
   Not all of Haiti’s many tribulations are self-imposed, of course. The United States has meddled in Haitian affairs almost since the country’s founding, and usually for the worse—despite the aid that Haitian volunteers provided as foot soldiers in America’s own Revolutionary War of independence from Britain.
   The oppressive hand of the US included a 19-year-long occupation in the 20th century, and support for the Duvaliers as a bulwark against Cuban communism.
   Unequal trade treaties have always given the US the upper hand, and in recent years a NAFTA-like abolition of tariffs on American rice has driven thousands of farmers in Haiti’s Artibonite Valley off the land and into the teeming slums of Port-au-Prince. Successive US presidents—Bill Clinton and George W. Bush—first installed the popularly elected President Jean Bertrand Aristede back in office after a military coup, and then arranged his ouster and exile.
   Now, in the wake of the catastrophic earthquake of January 12, 2010, Haiti faces perhaps the greatest crisis in its history. As international aid pours into the Port-au-Prince airport and trickles out to the people most in need, plans are afoot for a wholesale restructuring.
Partnership promised
Between 100,000 to 400,000 Haitians will be relocated out of the cities into newly built, hopefully earthquake-resistant, buildings. Promises of enduring partnership and help from the international community are flying through the humid Haitian air.
   And what of the 15,000 to 20,000 US troops on the ground? Will they be a temporary presence, or a long-term presence? Will the international community insist on transparency, an end to corruption and a fundamental rebalancing of the distribution of wealth? Will the US alter the trade deals to give Haiti a chance to protect its meager remaining industries and agriculture?
   Most Haitians are still too raw with shock and agony to consider the long-term questions. But the time will come, and sooner than many would think. Then we shall see if the promises of a clean slate and a New Haiti are as enduring as the Citadelle, or as evanescent as a Caribbean breeze.
   There is a Creole proverb that helps explain the difficulties of life and to inspire the will to endure: “Deye morne, gainyan morne” - behind the mountains, are more mountains.
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It is worth any inconvenience, any hardship.” -Andre Vltchek

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RE: Haiti Earthquake
« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2010, 09:43:00 am »
Somewhere in here I gave mention to an arrest of a few Florida Motor Vehicle dept. Where a few others pulled up to the parking lot in a van full of immigrants and gave thousands for Drivers licenses for them. Having the DL gives them clearance for work and immigration loses track of them. Well they all got caught. Why I posted it here? Half the people in the van were Haitian. Here's the latest.

South Florida man gets 5 years in immigration fraud case.

A South Florida man has been sentenced to five years in prison after pleading guilty to defrauding immigrants seeking immigration benefits.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Miami reported that 45-year-old Victor Abreu was sentenced on Friday. He and five others, three of whom have also pleaded guilty, were indicted in October.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement special agents in Fort Lauderdale began investigating Abreu's company in May 2007. Abreu and his employees were accused of soliciting payments from illegal immigrants by falsely promising to assist them with immigration matters.

Abreu and others then prepared the false immigration documents, which led to some illegal immigrants getting legitimate work authorization cards and driver's licenses.