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The likeliness of a foreigner finding a non teaching job in China?

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Mikael_Shim:
Axiom: There is plenty of work for you in Shanghai, trust me!

If you have IT experience, you wont find trouble finding work in Shanghai, Beijing or Dalian atleast. There are plenty of job opportunities for native Swedish, German, Dutch, Italian, French and Spanish speaker too , doing LET and SQA for big companies like Nokia, Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, HP etc. Most of them have outsourced their LET and SQA to China and their offices here always needs native speakers for many languages (but primarily: Swedish, German, Dutch, Italian, French and Spanish).

However, you are most likely NOT going to score any of these jobs if you are not already in China.

Doing business here .. well, yeah.. it depends a lot how you are going to etc. Me and another swedish colleague here in China are setting up a local business this year. The most common problem with establishing a legal business on mainland as a foreigner is that you must proove that you have money enough to run this kind of business (and this varies from province to province and city to city) but it is rarely below 200.000rmb. Here in Beijing it is more likely 300.000rmb. You dont have to pay this money, you just have to put it in your business bank account. After you are registered and licensed you can use the money. The ACTUAL fee for starting a legal business on mainland is around 12.000rmb. If you are native Chinese you can do this and often without having to show u have 2-300K in the bank. Or .. you can get fortunate like me and my colleague who got acquainted to an English diplomat living here who knows the right people to circumvent the 2-300K deposit. Doing business here on mainland, having the right contacts is very important.

Then there are many pros running your business offshore from HK as virtual office , or physical. However it is no longer possible to establish a HK LTD then conduct all your business in China mainland taxfree as it used to be. You can do this up to 180days legally now, beyond that it is no longer taxfree and you will be double taxed instead. Both in mainland and in HK. There are always ways to work around this legally but then it becomes more complicated and you need to have the right connections.

Axiom:

--- Quote from: Mikael_Shim on May 05, 2011, 12:12:36 am ---Axiom: There is plenty of work for you in Shanghai, trust me!

If you have IT experience, you wont find trouble finding work in Shanghai, Beijing or Dalian at least. There are plenty of job opportunities for native Swedish, German, Dutch, Italian, French and Spanish speaker too , doing LET and SQA for big companies like Nokia, Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, HP etc. Most of them have outsourced their LET and SQA to China and their offices here always needs native speakers for many languages (but primarily: Swedish, German, Dutch, Italian, French and Spanish).

However, you are most likely NOT going to score any of these jobs if you are not already in China.

--- End quote ---

Thanks again Mikael, I heard that there was a lot of work for my field of expertise (professional expendable crew member... er animator) and I was even told that I should try getting a job here http://animation.cuc.edu.cn/channel.v2?id=4a4d938129aad3150129ad8eba6b0015  but I think that might be a bit out of my league since I am self taught (plus, i am not sure if my Chinese language skill is up to scratch for going to school in a different country) .... but I might want to take some classes there if I can get enough $$ together (possibilities possibilities).

Anyway, my mind tends to wander this way and that so back to the task at hand.  I do know *some* IT, I know mostly ActionScript and Python. I'd chew off my own head to learn things like Java, PHP/SQL and a few others... but I didn't have the money to take them here in the states sad to say. Speaking of, being a (sadly) typical American, the only language I know is English... but I started learning Chinese through Rosetta Stone but no Swedish, German etc.

Not going to find them if I am not in China eh?  Okay, that's good to know. That means I wont spend my time and energy spinning my wheels looking for a decent job until I am actually there.

*tips hat* Thanks again (again  :P ) Mikael, can't tell you how helpful your insight has been to me in this great upheaval in my life.

Axiom/Dave

Mikael_Shim:
Well you might be able to "score" a job even if you are not here but i wouldnt recommend it, however the likeliness is 100X higher when you are in China. If u apply a job here and get a reply, most companies want to have an interview rather immediately and it is very common that you sign on site the same day you have the interview, provided you pass it.

Get here first, after you have been here a few weeks you will understand how things work here hehe... its a whole different world. I do not think you will have problems finding a job here and if you need any help me and my gf will be happy to help you out. There are LOTS of jobs in the design/3d/animation/fx market here, my GF who is an illustrator just had a few interviews last week for some post FX 3D game companies here and they explained there is always a huge demand for all kinds of illustrators, designers, animators etc .. And i often see ads for AS3 peeps.

So like i said before, just go here ..... and take it from there.

surfinChina:
I've been teaching in Dalian for a year now, heading back next month for my 2nd year (my son will join me and teach at the same School yay!).
It's the way to go. I teach for about 15hrs a week and make enough to get by. I have met many great women and settled on one. Meeting them and dating them in real is good and a wise choice can be made.
The IT job scene here is great and it is not a lot of trouble to find work in it. It's the no.5 IT place in the world and no.1 in China, with loads of foreign companies operating with international staff. English is the business language.
My gf is setting up a business with me, so it's easy. We've just done a private agreement and she has put up all the money.
I am still teaching and spending my spare time in the business (car stuff). When it's established I can give up the teaching and we can have more holidays.
The way that China is growing it's easy to make a lot of money. In a place like Dalian the rate of economic growth in business is around 20%, so you get to grow that much even just sitting around - a free ride.

Westerners have a lot of pulling power here. A fairly normal guy can expect a hot woman, around 15yrs his junior, with enough wealth to support herself and any children she might have.

One thing, Dalian is not as international as it seems. Plenty of Russians and Japanese, but hard to find decent coffee, western goods and so on. English speaking natives are few - taxis will not understand a word of English. It's a lot harder than places like Beijing in that respect. You need a few Chinese friends to help you do things.

RobertBfrom aust:
Great post SurfinChina , can see Dalian on the map so sooner or later we will float past there , regards Sujuan and Robert .

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