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Visa help from her friend
David K:
But wait... Theres more.. ;-)
Here's the URL for the INZ manual
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/general/generalinformation/operationalmanual/
And here's an URL about paying for Immigration advice
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/branch/BeijingBranchHome/immigrationadvice.htm
Plus the attached doc, re a visit on the basis of relationship, originally downloaded,
which I cannot now find on the Beijing website
Therein is the fishhook about the stature and duration of the relationship...
And also this useful summary, again which I cannot find on the current Beijing website..
..see P2 for a neat little flowchart....you could run this past your lady???
So thats the easy part..
The more challenging will be to establish a good working relationship with
your lady that will withstand the frosty eyed scrutiny of INZ china...
I understand you are in software, so you will already have the infinite capacity
to absorb being failed by a system devoid of emotion :-)
Good luck....
It can be done..
.. When the Gods smile on you, the rewards are great..
Peace
David K in Auckland
kiwisteve:
David,
Thanks heaps mate, I will download those docs and do some reading over the next few days. I really appreciate the advice and what you and all the bros have done here on this site and I hope we can meet up one day when my lady is here.
cheers,
Steve
(I am in Auckland also)
kiwisteve:
Hi David - just commenting on your detailed post:
--- Quote from: David K on June 02, 2012, 08:46:05 pm ---[1] It is illegal ( fines/jail) for anyone to offer immigration advice to someone
applying for a NZ Visa of any sort, unless the advisor is qualified as an immigration
agent. This is to prevent untold ripoffs of applicants, mostly by their compatriots
I regret to say. The application forms are very strict in this regard. If
you say that you were given advice, and the person is not registered, your
application is returned, without the fee refund.
IF you say you were not given advice when in fact you were, the visa can be
cancelled on the basis of it containing an incorrect statement - ie you lied.
You are probably familiar with the case of Bill Liu from China currently before the
courts in NZ
[2] That being said, informal advice from families, of a non systematic nature
and not for a fee, is OK - ie we still have free speech :-)
Further, the complete Operations Manual for INZ is available on line. Its a
little daunting, but it contains the criteria that INZ case officers use for assessing
applications. Its well worth a read - in fact mandatory
--- End quote ---
She has assured me they are a proper qualified company. Personally I don't see the point in paying someone to help fill out a couple of forms that seem straight forward to me, but then again she is a bit impatient and daunted by all the detail needed. I've got that Op Manual and am working through it now thanks.
--- Quote from: David K on June 02, 2012, 08:46:05 pm ---[5] There are two hurdles - INZ overseas, and INZ here in NZ. My experience with INZ
in China was that it was a battle - the answer is No, now what was the question??.
One criteria they use is to preclude those who might become overstayers or who are not genuine.
( China is number 2 in the overstayer category. )
So INZ look for incentives that the applicant will return to China at the end of the visa.
This can include money in the bank ( eg $50K RMB for 6 months) a house and family in
china, or a substantial job which will give them leave to visit NZ..
--- End quote ---
Yes she should have no problems satisfying these criteria.
--- Quote from: David K on June 02, 2012, 08:46:05 pm ---[6] If you are granted a visitors visa, you will need to demonstrate that she is a visitor.
I have heard of cases where the "visitor" married shortly after arrival, and was sent
back to China, because clearly the purpose of the trip was not to visit but to facilitate
an arranged marriage ( INZ became aware of a large number of phillipinas who used
this option back last century.. the politicos told them to close the floodgates )
I arranged visits from Fox Glacier, to North cape, all photographed, to make it clear
that my lady was indeed a genuine tourist.
--- End quote ---
Yes I will be showing her around as much as finances permit - I want her to be happy after all that this is where she wants to live.
--- Quote from: David K on June 02, 2012, 08:46:05 pm ---[7] There is a bit of a catch 22 regarding relationship as a ground for a visa - INZ
will only consider an application for residency if you have been together for 12 months or more
How to be together?? Either live as two in NZ or as two in China. If you are together for
6 months or more you can apply for a work visa on the basis of your relationship,
which will than allow you time to demonstrate that it is genuine , exclusive and likely to endure.
I have a friend who lives closeby. His lady was denied a visa on the grounds of risk of
becoming an overstayer. He left his job, went to live in China for 6 months, then gained
a work Visa for her )
--- End quote ---
I can't see how this should matter for a visitor visa. If everything goes to plan then we won't even be applying for residency for another 15 months or more.
cheers,
Steve
David K:
Hi Steve.. Looks like you've got all bases covered re your INZ learning curve...
And all the best with your relationship...
I've been quite touched with the brothers on this site. most of whom have
been severely singed previously, as they slowly learn to trust again
Peace
David K
kiwisteve:
An update:
It took her another 6 weeks or so before her tourist visa application was finally submitted. I was getting more and more concerned as she never gave me any info or copies of her documentation despite me asking many times. I guess the visa company was requesting more and more info from her during that period.
Anyway, great news - she called the embassy yesterday and her visa has been approved. She has already bought tickets to fly here to visit me in October. We will have a month together. So now I've got to work extra hard so that I can justify taking time off work when she's here, and I've got to get the house ready for her, find out as much as I can from the local Chinese community so she can get the food and stuff she wants, as well as plan some sight-seeing trips for us around NZ, visiting family and friends and all that.
cheers,
Steve
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