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fivetrout:
Hello all,

Yesterday while on a skype call with Hong, I tried to explain the concept of camping. I told her...we would go into the mountains of Colorado where the mighty elk roam, where bears sleep in the winter and forage for berry's all summer, and where big cats live by their own rules. I went on to tell her...we will live in a tent, warm ourselves with a fire, eat freshly caught fish, and how our meals will taste better outdoors. As I continued, I said...you will have never breathed air this pure, or inhaled the strong scent of the forest amongst giant granite boulders, or gazed upon a million stars at night such as... she was to witness. Then I really dropped the bomb on her (hehe) I said Hong, there will be days when you will not see a single other person...at all!
OK, so I was attempting to paint her a pictures with words. Most of us here would say, "when do we leave" But, her first words were "is this how we will live?" "I don't want to be food for other animals". I laughed, and said... maybe just on weekends, here and there. She seemed relieved.

As an after thought today, I started thinking. As, I have yet to come to her (Sept) and she has likely always lived in very big cities (Wuhan as present) whether or not, I was sending her a frightening picture? I keep getting this notion of something like... a collective mindset with her emotions if you will, and with her always being amongst so many people, and perhaps that is where her peace and comfort resides...in the masses, in the cities. Is there such a thing? Or, am I really over thinking this? Actually, I am relocating to the Denver area, partly for the Chinese community, but also for the outdoors.

Chris

JohnB:
For what it is worth. China people think San Francisco. Think New York. Think BEEG cities! I know this now.
Jing thinks poor people live in country. Rich people live in city. Of course we like privacy, quiet, peace of mind...Mother Nature things. We do not like someone else's noise, night time light pollution, congestion, shitty fellow citizens. We like to be left alone.
This is not China.
I live just outside of Coeur d' Alene, Idaho. Very nice area. 10 minutes or so drive from downtown, but it is like a thousand miles from nowhere. Or so it seems to me.
It is fricken lonely if one, like Jing, is used to multitudes of people. China. It does not matter what I think. Jing is alone when I am away. Jing in the wilderness.

This is not her China. Kind of odd. She likes moose the best. Has fun with seeing goofy tom turkeys strutting their stuff. But all is transitory. A diversion.
She says if something wild beast in China, eventually it ends up in someones kitchen. Mother Nature's little critters be damned.
Maybe others easily adapt. The thing about Jing, she is true China. I venture to say it would take her forever to appreciate things just for the sake of it. That is the way it is.
Just my take of it all.
I wish you good life...in the city!

brett:
A lot of Guangzhou ladies have told me that Baiyun is the countryside. What this just means is that there aren't many buildings over 10 storeys tall  :-*.

Really the place I'm living in is just suburbs, although there's plenty of wildlife that visits my apartment once in a while.

Having lived here for a while now, I don't know how I will cope with sleepy old England. My apartment is next to a road, a highway, it's on the flightpath to the airport, and there's also frogs, birds, cicadas and Cantonese people shouting. Oh, and I live next to a pump factory  ;D.

maxx:
Each woman is different.But as a general rule.If you live in a village in China.It means you are a farmer and you are poor.Some of the villages I have visited in China is like living in a campground.No electricity.No running water.Kids, dogs,Ducks,chickens All playing in the same mud puddle. So when you mention camping.To a Chinese woman.She sees it just like a Chinese village.And she dam sure doesn't want to go back to the village.

My wife likes the great outdoors.She likes fishing,Hiking,Playing in the water.But at the end of the day.She wants to go home.Have a hot meal,a warm shower.And sleep in her warm bed.With the heater running or the A.C on.And the internet running.At light speed.

My wife doesn't miss the crowds.Or the commotion that goes along with it.We live 10 miles outside of town.On top of a windswept mesa.Most of the time she likes it except when the winds blowing.My wife can walk outside at night and see the stars.And because we own 3/4  of a acre of this windswept mesa.My wife can plant trees and flowers.I installed a fence.And a couple of locking gates.So when the weather is warm.She can let the kids out in the yard to play.So my wife thinks this is great.

Somebody once said a picture is worth a thousand words.And when you and your lady are talking about living outside of China.This is especially true.If she has never ben outside of China.Yes I know she has seen pictures of America.But it is not the same as actually receiving a picture from somebody that she mite be romantically involved with.

Chris if your thinking of moving to Colorado.There is allot better places then Denver to live.Durango,Pagosa springs,Salida,Canon city,Colorado springs.There is three Asian markets in in Colorado springs,which means there has to be a a big Asian community there.Sorry Gerry Denver sucks.Way to many people.With way to much traffic.

Pineau:
No problem Maxx. I know Denver is getting too big and polluted. I don't live there. I could never live there.  I live north of Denver near the foothills near Longmont. The view outside my house is like a 3D postcard. Longs Peak is only 25 minutes from here and it is nearly always capped with snow.  Fiona loves it here. The cool fresh air, the wildlife, the ducks and geese landing in the lakes around here. It is paradise that she never could imagine. You could show her a book full of pictures but nothing is like actually living here.  Born and raised in Guangzhou she has never seen anything like it. It is starting to become real for her. She tells me every day that America is so beautiful and she loves what I have done for her.
Photos.
The trek up the mountain from Lyons CO.
Estes park
Longmont airport
Ducks flying over behind our house.
Our house at dusk after a day of gardening.
 

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