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David E:
Shaun
Thanks for that info. I am more and more convinced that she is NOT dealing with any bona fide religious Organisation. It fits far more closely with a "cult" as you have described. I am still a bit mystified how she could so easily fall prey to such bloody rubbish...especially considering the quality of life she enjoys here in Aus....if she was an abused, no-hope, starving penniless Peasant I could see where the "promise" of a better life would have some appeal...but these Scaleys are all Chinese so you know the rule...."If it is said by a Chinese person, it carries the absolute mark of truth and should not be confused with facts" !!! I have found this to be a somewhat frustrating part of our relationship...she is prepared to believe some real rubbish when it comes from QQ or some other Chinese source and it has always been a struggle to inject some truth and logic into the debate.
However, in this particular circumstance, these bastards have forgotten Management rule No 34...." When you grab a Tiger by the tail...make bloody sure you have an effective strategy to deal with it's Teeth "......as I said before, they have no idea what horrors are coming up the slope.
Willy...there is a modern "version" of Nil desperandum...it is "Nil carborundum".....literally translated means "dont let the bastards grind you down" ;D ;D ;D
JC:
Hello David E,
I do not reply much, just a few times here and there, but I also have learned and gained some insight as to the depth of these things through your posts, so thank you for that.
It seems that through some of the discussion here the situation went from defining love as committing suicide by drowning to now uncovering the intercession of individuals seeking to manipulate and control you wife through an undefined cult. Yet by the the same means that you established the spiritual authority by meeting with the priest in Chengdu, they say there is no one here to do that. So now you see things going back to China.
I have stayed out of this as I am a born again believer, but yes as it has been posted there are many that use that to set up their own church/cult/ business. But now you have separated the source of the divide, meaning it is no more about jumping in the ocean, and now jumping in the religious deception over what is right/true and what is bull#@$%.
I see that you are well able to jump in and grab your wife out of this, there are many ways,
There are many here that want to, and have been here to help you, but really be uncovering what is at the core of this divide is emotional and at the the same time very clear,
One way I may suggest is that if this is a group that bases its presumed legitimacy on Jesus Christ as Lord, then they are NOT a stand alone authority and what they are/ or are not/ teaching should be brought out in the light. Just like this ocean scenario can be discussed on what she would really want a husband who loves her to do.
Just another way to direct the issue, meaning her trust and your commitment,
I see this has been a hard one, I do honor you in this,
James C
David E:
Thanks for your comments James.
The purpose (IMHO) of the "drowning wife" story was to implant in Ming's mind that I was very much in need of salvation, because only a "bad" husband would hesitate and not immediately leap in to the water to save his wife....even at the expense of his own death. I believe they made this point to ensure that I got dragged into their net....because they KNOW that I am the real source of big money for the future...if only they could get Ming to be the one who dragged me into this web.
They obviously have some expertise on working on Chinese people who have some level of vulnerability, I still find it hard to understand how or why she fell for this rubbish....maybe you are right, there is a deeper issue that I am not clever enough to understand. Whatever the reason, I can say with absolute honesty that I have bust my gut to make sure she had a great life here...and I dont know what else I could have done.
The purpose of me confronting the Buddhist Priest in Chengdu was because I had a defined target, with a defined agenda...he was easy to change. These people here are a less clear target....either they are serious in a religious sense, or they are just out-and-out scammers. That is the current focus of my investigations along with a number of Private and Official people who are now becoming involved. Either way, before making any moves it is essential to understand what and who they are, and then deal with it.
Once I have enough knowlege and understanding of what these people represent, I will move to resolution.
Cheers...David
JC:
David E,
Sounds like the right answer, just as in the drowning scenario, (I agree these are deceptive, unethical, and very dangerous to their victims) in the previous matter of just jumping in to save someone who fell into rough waters, the best way to save them was NOT to just jump in, but get help.
As I mentioned, I am a born again believer, but this situation is not anything like what I found. These individuals are dangerous and need to be exposed.
Jesus taught Love, and Peace, she should know this from her Buddhist teachings, also
There is wisdom in Godly council, if you do have Christian friends maybe they can help.
If they really believe in what they are promoting as their religion then they are using the Bible, if they are scamming and manipulating then they have their own doctrine aside from the Bible. This is where the teachings and manipulation comes in subtly. It is not about faith, it is about control.
There are so many scriptures that can be twisted, and are. The Bible is straight forward about deception and truth but they can be measured.
David, a few of the basic ways you can define some of these things are what I use:
A, the difference between Love that is real and one that is twisted per the Bible, Love gives, Lust takes (they are taking or selling tickets)
B, there is wisdom in council, (they want to keep things close and quite)
C, Peace, not so much in society but in the home & heart, (they are tearing this apart)
Anyway, thank you for allowing me to respond I know the born again'ers are not tops on your list, but really this group is out-of-control, and not in line with trying to change their own lives, rather they are trying to manipulate others.
I do pray this will be exposed and your family made whole.
James C
Willy The Londoner:
David is on the right tracks.
We need to remember it may not be the 'foot' soldiers that are the problem but those higher up in the feeding trough.
Religion is big business and I mean really big business. People realised long long ago just what can be earned from it. it is not unusual for some of these self proclaimed preachers to be raking in 200 million US dollars and more every year. And because of US Laws not one cent has to be accounted for - no one knows where it goes and into whose pockets.
One well known evangelist said that he would release his accounts but they never came and when asked he simply said 'God told me not to' The synical said 'Oh yea!' but his tens of thousands of followers keep on pumping in their 20 dollars a month to support his high life.
David is well able to fight this battle having set up his own parameters but if he needs any assistance we are here for him. We and others that come after us should remember it is not just our actions that can cause major problems within a relationship but those of 'outsiders' can play a part in it.
Willy
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