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Improvement Ideas
Rhonald:
--- Quote from: mpo on May 31, 2014, 03:14:13 pm ---my "gripe" is that posts are being deleted simply because the mod does not agree with the post, or dislikes the person who is posting.
and not because it really is a violation of policy.
so talking about what is wrong is not helping much, everyone keeps asking for another way to do it better.
So I guess an example is needed:
Suppose someone posted this:
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I have been dealing with this issue for a long time it is not a recent event only,
and it has built up over time until the lid has blown off
It is hard to prove that posts have been deleted, because once they are gone I cannot point to them anymore.
What I can do, is point to places where the issue was broken the surface before
such as here:
http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3802.msg65150.html#msg65150
and here:
http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3758.msg64392.html#msg64392
and here:
http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3758.msg64384.html#msg64384
As I said this is not a recent thing, it has been on going
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currently the mod reads this post, and finds it unacceptable, and deletes it
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Mike - I have highlighted IN BOLD twice your words "THE MOD"
In the first instance, the referred to Mod is no longer a mod.
The second referred to Mod would be me. But I also had explained in the post around that time, my reasons for deleting. I also apologized for my actions at that time. Just recently, I also explained I was dealing with to me, a more pressing issue with my son, than the in fighting that was happening here. I did not need nor wanted the distraction. My reason for bringing this up - a little returned consideration would have been appreciated.
I can see your point about a Mod cutting and pasting any questionable postings and PMing the individual. I hope this is and was a standard practice. I have only done it once myself. Most of the times posts I have outright deleted - and with no PMing the offender - was just a new member posting of direct links to advertisments - nothing more.
Willy The Londoner:
I agree with one thing and that is if a persons post is temporarily removed because it goes against both the letter and the spirit of the forum then that person should be informed by PM and they should be asked to revise and resend it.
As far as I know I have only had one posting deleted by a moderator and I DID receive a PM telling me why. On reflection, on that occasion, then maybe I would not have said what I did say which was in the heat of the moment.
But if these circumstances do arise then the sender must either accept the decision of the moderator or conduct any complaints in PRIVATE and not on the open forum where messages could be arbitrarily deleted . If the two cannot come to an concensus then both sides should put their argument to the head honcho, Robertt, and his decision must be final.
Rhonald has made a public apology and given a reason why the circumstances arose on the one occasion he did what he did. As far as I read into these things then the other said to be involved is no longer a Moderator.
Can we not sit back now, relax and see just how things pan out in the future under the new regime.
Willy
mpo:
--- Quote from: Willy The Londoner on May 31, 2014, 10:33:47 pm ---I agree with one thing and that is if a persons post is temporarily removed because it goes against both the letter and the spirit of the forum then that person should be informed by PM and they should be asked to revise and resend it.
As far as I know I have only had one posting deleted by a moderator and I DID receive a PM telling me why. On reflection, on that occasion, then maybe I would not have said what I did say which was in the heat of the moment.
But if these circumstances do arise then the sender must either accept the decision of the moderator or conduct any complaints in PRIVATE and not on the open forum where messages could be arbitrarily deleted . If the two cannot come to an concensus then both sides should put their argument to the head honcho, Robertt, and his decision must be final.
Rhonald has made a public apology and given a reason why the circumstances arose on the one occasion he did what he did. As far as I read into these things then the other said to be involved is no longer a Moderator.
Can we not sit back now, relax and see just how things pan out in the future under the new regime.
Willy
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Well Willy,
Lucky for you that you were never a target, but for me I have had too many posts deleted or modified to keep count of,
and I have only ever received a PM about 1 of them, long ago.
I was asked to give suggestions for how to IMPROVE the site which is the title of this thread "Improvement Ideas"
The best way I could do that, was to provide an example, how it was handled, and how I think the process should be improved.
The reaction is to attack the example, and not talk about the "Improvement" to the process.... how does that help?
Why did I pick that example?
Well it was the only one I could reproduce .... it is hard to come up with posts that have been deleted, and are now erased.
for the future, I am keeping a private copy of all my posts, so that I do not lose them ;)
As far as Ron pointing out which mod did what ... it does not make any difference to me, I see all mods as the same thing ...
a nameless person who has power and control over my posts. and when they delete my posts, and do not PM me
it feels very impersonal, and hurtful, and is in fact censorship.
So now that I have fully explained how I think an offensive post should be handled by the powers that be,
I would like to see other ideas from the rest of you?
How do you think it should be handled? How would you like to be treated if a MOD decided to delete your post?
I am listening
:-\
JohnB:
come to think it...now that it has resurfaced,
http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3914.msg66987.html#msg66987
re: Mike's http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3802.msg65150.html#msg65150
re: JohnB's http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,3802.msg65137.html#msg65137
I saw that long ago. Ron censored a 'hacked' posting of mine.."By this, I would say forego your congressman,...".
That was a clumsy transition. Personally I hate Congress with a passion and I doubt if I was thinking a Congressman when I
penned that post.
I didn't get heartburn. It was kind of a funny departure from the reality of my keystroke.
Willy The Londoner:
As I have given my thoughts on how matters could be improved then I will not go over them again.
I have already agreed with you that a person who has a post deleted should receive a PM. As I said I have not had any reason to consider amending or deleting a post but if the occasion does arise I would contact the person as I stated.
What I will ask is - How many of your posts were deleted by persons still moderators on this Forum?
What I am concerned with is that you see all mods as the same. A nameless person who has power and control over what you post! It strikes me as a 'all cops are bad cops' syndrome and I suffered that for many years! But I am sure that this was not your intention to make it sound like you were anti authoritarian.
Any Mod is not able to amend or delete a posting, just the ones listed as such on each subject. So if someone has a post deleted with no explanation then that person who feels aggrieved can make contact directly with the named mods in the first instance then Robertt if no concensus results from the earlier contacts.
I am sure that this will no longer be necessary but the suggestion is there.
Willy
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