China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: yoshiii on August 26, 2009, 11:25:17 am
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Hello
I know that women wear make up, some more than others. But I wonder why many women from this site wears so much make up that when you see their normal picture they look so different.
A lady that I am writing to now showed me some of her normal pictures and she looks different. You can still tell its her and she is pretty but she looks so different.
Has everyone else experienced this? Kind of scary to see a picture of someone and than later see how they actually look and be surprised at how they look
I am living in Japan right now and some Japanese women wears tons of make up, but most don't. But here you can tell pretty much how someone looks even with make up on.
I have not seen too many times a lady here looking totally different when wearing make up compared to their non make up look.
I have seen some Chinese ladies here to that live here and even then they don't wear so much make up that they look totally different.
Maybe it is a China thing.
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Yoshiii, I experienced the same, but I went for her personality. I attach a picture of her profile and a natural. It's quite a difference.
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What I find they do more then makeup is lighten the skin tone (as in Hajo's lady). This hides facial wrinkles and brings the eyes out more. Also it hides the nose which is why some don't look the same. In Hajo's if you look they pointed the face more. To westerners this gives a more elegant feminine, younger look. I don't think they should be doing this. These woman are pretty to begin with.
My ladies photos they did the same with the skin tone. It's her hair though, no wig or style change. She wears little makeup, some but not allot. About the same in the photos. She seems to be worried I won't like her looks? I can't get across to her I know what she looks like "Plain".
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Vince
Ooooooooh!! Say that to a western woman/wife and you'd be getting a smack across the chops, hahaha!!
Jeez, .... i really hope you don't tell her that!!!! lol!!
David....
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Tell her what? about the little makeup, plain? (no makeup at all) She told me, and the plain photos she sent. I'm very honest to any woman. Haven't been smacked yet. A few took it to far of what I said but... I see it this way, if they can't take honesty? go find someone else.
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The pale skin thing is weird. I was shopping for soap there and every one of them had "whitening" listed as a property (anotherwords bleach!) , in the end i just bough some Johnsons baby soap as i sure as hell dont need to bleach my laowai, whiter than snow, skin any more white!
Check out the amount of umbrellas in the picture below (at back entrance to Forbidden City, Beijing a couple of weeks ago) it wasn't raining by the way!
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Ling said she isnt bothered by this but when I took a photo of her with her friend and granny at her apartment, after we got back from Malaysia, the first comment she made was how dark she looked with dismay on her face.
Personally I love the darker skin but each to their own i guess.
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Ronan,
This thing about being light and dark skinned. This stems from the assumption that if your are dark skinned, you are associated as being a peasant, that works in the fields or being from a peasant family .
Now days even the peasants don't want to be dark, if you go out in the countryside you'll see all the field workers wrapped up to the nine's to stop them getting any darker. you've seen from the shops, just how far their prepared to go to keep there skin lighter too!! ...haha!!
It's exactly the same thing in most of the Asian, and South East Asian countries. Even here in Cyprus, we have Filipinos working out in the open, and even in 40c heat, you can't see a single area of skin, they even work in the darkest sunglasses you can buy !! ...hahaha!!
So there you have it, they don't want to be associated as being from a peasant family!!
David.....
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So there you have it, they don't want to be associated as being from a peasant family!!
David.....
It's weird isn't it, in the west being pasty white is a bad thing and "unhealthy" so everyone is try to get a tan, lol
Maybe if we told them "you look like a peasant" they'll cover up and stop getting skin cancer.
Humans, strange creatures
(we need a /facepalm icon :icon_cheesygrin:)
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Same in Japan. But mostly its the older women(40 plus who are paranoid about getting darker) that walk around trying not to become dark.
Do the women from the different parts of China have different shades of skin tone? I have noticed that some of the pictures that I see of women from mainland seem to be darker compared to their pictures, where I have friends that are from Taiwan that are a lighter shade of the Chinese skin tone.
It doesn't matter to me about their skin color, but it is kind of odd that they are so concerned about whitening their skin.
It is backwards from the states.
Here in Japan their is a difference between people from Okinawa and people from the mainland of Japan.
Most of the Chinese ladies that I see here are lighter in color.
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mmmmmmmm.........
Dont get me started on this theme again...makes my blood boil. !!!!!
Their photos are "photo-shopped", back lit, and tone enhanced, often a wig is used to get more "curly" hair...and of course, a push-up bra is mandatory !!!.
As I was told by 2 Agencies...........it makes them fit more into what they think is attractive to western men.
What you see aint what you get.
If when you see her in reality and you think she is better than the photo...no problem.
But if not............cheated !!
I wish, I wish they wouldnt do it....but they wont stop, gets more EMF's that way
DavidE
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David E,
have you managed to get your normal non-photo shopped Photo's from your lady yet?? If you have, was there a vast difference in your perception of her, ...in the way of her looks ??
David....
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David E,
have you managed to get your normal non-photo shopped Photo's from your lady yet?? If you have, was there a vast difference in your perception of her, ...in the way of her looks ??
David....
David
YES, and YES...I will say no more !!!...or I probably will explode :):)
David
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The main problems are over-retouched photos and many of them are very old, at least 5 to 10 years old. Just make a search for women about 50 and you'll see young ladies in her thirties
After being shocked by the big difference between the profile photos and recent ones I added this to my profile:
"If I'm so lucky you answer my Cupid Note or send me an Admirer Mail, I do really appreciate if you are so kind to provide recent photos. They doesn't need to be expensive studio photos, just natural ones at home, park, ... I promise to do the same."
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So Manuel, no more cupid notes since then? :icon_cheesygrin:
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I think you have to take these photos with a grain of salt. We all know that these photos have been photo shopped by the agencies. Sure they look really nice when touched up but hey, everyone does it. Just look at any magazine and you will see all the models photoshopped as well. If you see the models without makeup, you will definitely see a big difference as well. I just wish that the ladies would also send their un-touched photos in their EMF's as well without us guys begging for it.
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I said this in another thread. Since I have been here everytime I go by a photo place, every photo that is being developed is photoshopped, they will stand around for an hour waiting for it to be done. I had this big talk with my wife about it. She says that 1. they think lighter skin is prettier (Yes, I believe it also has to do with being a peasant) If you will look at pics from the US during the late 1800 to early 1900's fair skin was considered beautiful because of the same thing. You did not work in the fields. Hence the umbrella's on a sunny day. Same thing here.
2. The older women (30's above) believe we have this image of them(we usually do) As perfect oriental women. So they try to give us that. Plus they see every other picture is done that way so to compete they feel they have to. Even our wedding pictures had to be done. Her skin whitened and the shadows under my eyes taken out. (hadnt much sleep). To us it feels that we are being scammed, to them it is just what they do and have done as long as there have been programs that can do it. Go back and look at the old time photos of Asian women. You see the enhancements then also. So cut them some slack when you are looking at this. They are not intentionally scamming, they are only doing what they have been taught. They are trying to please you. We have misconceptions and so do they.
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I said this in another thread. Since I have been here everytime I go by a photo place, every photo that is being developed is photoshopped, they will stand around for an hour waiting for it to be done. I had this big talk with my wife about it. She says that 1. they think lighter skin is prettier (Yes, I believe it also has to do with being a peasant) If you will look at pics from the US during the late 1800 to early 1900's fair skin was considered beautiful because of the same thing. You did not work in the fields. Hence the umbrella's on a sunny day. Same thing here.
2. The older women (30's above) believe we have this image of them(we usually do) As perfect oriental women. So they try to give us that. Plus they see every other picture is done that way so to compete they feel they have to. Even our wedding pictures had to be done. Her skin whitened and the shadows under my eyes taken out. (hadnt much sleep). To us it feels that we are being scammed, to them it is just what they do and have done as long as there have been programs that can do it. Go back and look at the old time photos of Asian women. You see the enhancements then also. So cut them some slack when you are looking at this. They are not intentionally scamming, they are only doing what they have been taught. They are trying to please you. We have misconceptions and so do they.
I understand that but sometimes I feel some of the women go too far. There is a difference between changing some with make up and changing majorly with with make up.
My ex-wife(who was Japanese) looked much better with a little make up on compared to wearing a lot. She tried different ways. The make up lady at a department store in the US put what they thought was the oriental style make up on her and she looked not cool.
What I have found with some of the Japanese women here is that they look better without a ton of make up on and they usually look about the same with it off.
My chinese friends in the states did not wear too much make up, at least as far I saw.
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My wife never wears makeup nor my step daughter unless she is on a modeling gig. Most of the women I see here on the street do not wear make up. Some yes but the majority no.
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have you managed to get your normal non-photo shopped Photo's from your lady yet?? If you have, was there a vast difference in your perception of her, ...in the way of her looks ??
David....
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David50
Remember the photos I sent you. Perfect example of what miracles the photo shop can do!!!
Willy
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So Manuel, no more cupid notes since then? :icon_cheesygrin:
Yeah, you're right! :icon_biggrin:
I moved to passive fish just waiting for admirer letters. Not so many as before but now they come, most of the time, with natural photos
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sleep). To us it feels that we are being scammed, to them it is just what they do and have done as long as there have been programs that can do it. Go back and look at the old time photos of Asian women. You see the enhancements then also. So cut them some slack when you are looking at this. They are not intentionally scamming, they are only doing what they have been taught. They are trying to please you. We have misconceptions and so do they.
Jim
Up to a point you are right. There is no problem in trying to look your very best when "trawling" for a good Man to be your future husband. There is competition out there and it is normal for any woman to try to get out in front...I would not blame them for that. But that is not what is happening in so many cases we see here. I have heard from many Women that they go to the studio and get their photos done and the next time they see them (if they ever do) is when they are on the profile.
I am sure that many women would not want the level of enhancement that is becoming the normal on CHNLove.
Problem is they then get in a real fix...they KNOW their photos are not real, so when we ask for normal photos they KNOW we are going to see the level of "fraud"...they cant win !!!
I feel sorry for the women in all this because they are only making an honest attempt to attract good Men (apart from the VERY small number of deliberate scammers)....its the Agencies (some) that are leading them down this "slippery slope.
If the Agencies who do this, would stop and get real and restrict their enhancement to simple things like lighting and make-up, there would be no problem
My daughter has a Website Production Business and she use software to tell what percentage of pixels in the photos have been modified from the original (dont ask me how, I can just about use a keyboard, never mind the other mysteries :) )
From 10 photos we examined in this way, from the women profiles, the average modification of pixels was 43.2%...go figure !!!
DavidE
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To us it feels that we are being scammed, to them it is just what they do and have done as long as there have been programs that can do it. Go back and look at the old time photos of Asian women. You see the enhancements then also. So cut them some slack when you are looking at this. They are not intentionally scamming, they are only doing what they have been taught. They are trying to please you. We have misconceptions and so do they.
Not sure about that because, if they don't want to mislead us, why they put 15 years old photos in their profile???
I've been searching in the 43-48 range and some of them look equal or even better than my stunning 21 years old daughter! :@
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Not sure about that because, if they don't want to mislead us, why they put 15 years old photos in their profile???
I've been searching in the 43-48 range and some of them look equal or even better than my stunning 21 years old daughter! :@
Its a shop window Manuel. They want to look their best.
You do not put old and over ripe fruit to the front of a display!!!
These ladies have got to get your interest first. You get to know them then the shock of meeting them in person is reduced!!!!!!:angel: Did I really say that!!!!
Willy
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You are right some deliberately put the wrong age in. I cannot tell why some of them dont just send the original type photo. I will say in some cases it is the translator either not telling you asked or telling them not to do this right now because your relationship isnt stable enough, etc.. The translator doesnt want to lose you. I am not an advocate for the ladies, I just tell you what I have seen and heard. All I am suggesting is to take all of this into consideration before dropping a woman for not sending you the real pics. I personally do not like it. i feel like the rest but learning the culture a little has helped me to see the reasons for some of this.
My wife's pictures were done like this. Big difference from the pics to the real thing. However, to me it didnt matter.
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The pale skin thing is weird.
I can remember reading an interesting article about the history of this matter. The preference for white skin is something that has been around for many centuries, and (at least in the first place) doesn't have anything to do with the pernicious influence of the west. At least in relation to this matter, we are blameless *laughs*
So cut them some slack when you are looking at this. They are not intentionally scamming, they are only doing what they have been taught. They are trying to please you. We have misconceptions and so do they.
Some (I am not sure what proportion) of the women have the photographs taken by a professional photographer. It's part of the service provided by the agency. They are told this way works. It's like the way we talk amongst ourselves. We often rely on and defer to the judgement of people who seem to know the way to go. I have never really had a heart to heart talk with a Chinese woman. But if they feel things anything like me (an Australian man) sometimes you become so incredibly tired of being alone and you desperately wish to find someone to love, someone to be loved by, for life to change the way in which it is going. I feel a lot of sympathy for someone who resorts to something like this. I know what it is like to look in the mirror and wish for something better. It just doesn't upset me or anything, that they would use photoshop in this way.
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Danny's right, pale skin has been the preference for many centuries, even 1000's of years. Pale skin was the distinguishing difference between the aristocracy and the so called peasant classes. ...Guess who had the pale or paler skin?? To some degree, that difference still remains to this day, not only in China, but in most Asian countries....
David.....
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Danny's right, pale skin has been the preference for many centuries, even 1000's of years. Pale skin was the distinguishing difference between the aristocracy and the so called peasant classes. ...Guess who had the pale or paler skin?? To some degree, that difference still remains to this day, not only in China, but in most Asian countries....
David.....
I will get Xia to read this one. She takes the piss out of my white legs everynight. She reckons we can save on electricty by getting the street lights reflect of them!!!!!!! But then I've always said that I am a better class of person and this proves it. !!!!!!! Keep up the good reseach David I'm all for it.
Willy
Danny's right, pale skin has been the preference for many centuries, even 1000's of years. Pale skin was the distinguishing difference between the aristocracy and the so called peasant classes. ...Guess who had the pale or paler skin?? To some degree, that difference still remains to this day, not only in China, but in most Asian countries....
David.....
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Danny's right, pale skin has been the preference for many centuries, even 1000's of years. Pale skin was the distinguishing difference between the aristocracy and the so called peasant classes. ...Guess who had the pale or paler skin?? To some degree, that difference still remains to this day, not only in China, but in most Asian countries....
David.....
Excellent news, this means I'm at the pinnacle of nobility !
Sorry Willie no street lamps allowed up here, please stand on the footpath.
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Just seen my girl on Skype, and I am happy to report she looks better than her official studio shots.
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Danny's right, pale skin has been the preference for many centuries, even 1000's of years. Pale skin was the distinguishing difference between the aristocracy and the so called peasant classes. ...Guess who had the pale or paler skin?? To some degree, that difference still remains to this day, not only in China, but in most Asian countries....
David.....
Michael Jackson !!! He is the fairest of them all !!! :icon_cheesygrin: But with Obama in charge opinions may soon change?
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Hey Willy, your white legs couldn't reflect more than mine. Ya gotta wear dark glasses when I am in shorts...:icon_cheesygrin:
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Hello
I know that women wear make up, some more than others. But I wonder why many women from this site wears so much make up that when you see their normal picture they look so different.
A lady that I am writing to now showed me some of her normal pictures and she looks different. You can still tell its her and she is pretty but she looks so different.
Has everyone else experienced this? Kind of scary to see a picture of someone and than later see how they actually look and be surprised at how they look
I am living in Japan right now and some Japanese women wears tons of make up, but most don't. But here you can tell pretty much how someone looks even with make up on.
I have not seen too many times a lady here looking totally different when wearing make up compared to their non make up look.
I have seen some Chinese ladies here to that live here and even then they don't wear so much make up that they look totally different.
Maybe it is a China thing.
It's call the "lady makeup 2000' and sold in womens section of Home Depot. Its a low pressure (not more than 500 psi) spray paint gun. Good for face, body and clothes (for those who spray paint there pants on) Just look what it did for Willy....
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Sorry willy, the guy from Home Depot was behind me with a chain saw and ski mask....:icon_cheesygrin:
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Not sure about that because, if they don't want to mislead us, why they put 15 years old photos in their profile???
I've been searching in the 43-48 range and some of them look equal or even better than my stunning 21 years old daughter! :@
Its a shop window Manuel. They want to look their best.
You do not put old and over ripe fruit to the front of a display!!!
These ladies have got to get your interest first. You get to know them then the shock of meeting them in person is reduced!!!!!!:angel: Did I really say that!!!!
Willy
Willy,
by god man i hope Angel never reads these posts?? she will be photoshopping your *** to the hotel hahahah
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Here is some historical stuff I have collected over the past few years. You will do a double take on these transformations.
https://chinaandfriends.shutterfly.com/pictures/1512
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:o :-\ pick and marry the one on right and wake up with the one on left! Pinch me...I'm having a nightmare!
My LaoPo actually was quite different too when we first laid Eyes on each other! She was so much more beautiful in Person..haha! ;)
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Of course with the up surge in use of video links such as Skype, WeChat and QQ then there should no longer be any shocks from that first visit.
Willy