China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: Chong on April 23, 2009, 10:58:57 am
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Further to this topic that was raised on the "Rotten ChnLove Agencies" thread ...
At this point, this is just an idea floating around but I think that lots of us have great ideas to make what we're doing ( searching for a Chinese bride )... a lot easier !!!
Let's play this idea out. You never know. In the future when we have all these Brothas living in China and looking for work, there may be an actual business opportunity.
No, it wouldn't be hard to start a business in China ... so long as our ladies are involved. As you know, it's much easier for a local to register the business. Here's ChnLove's business set-up ... they have a central office in Hong Kong ... and their main website represents local agencies. We can do the same. Establish a central office and each Brotha & wife can open up a local office in their respective cities. That way, our agency can have representation country-wide. A portion of profit from each office will go towards a pool for marketing & advertising. Our main website will feature our lady clients from all our locals offices ... just the same way that ChnLove does.
However, the main difference between us and ChnLove is our approach to the process.
1) Our own success stories are living proof. We'll be fully accessible to our foreign men clientele. We'll take them through the process from A to Z.
2) Our wives will deal with the local Chinese ladies regarding interviews, hiring local translators, photo shoots, starting English lessons etc etc ...
3) Our profiles will be very extensive. None of these general descriptions. The men & women clientele will each write their interests, hobbies, jobs, what they look for in a mate, provide a photo gallery etc etc .... so that each other can determine if there's any chemistry .... even before they start to write each other. Just like the North American dating sites where you have to provide more information than just a general description.
But, of course, "money" has to be made. I think that charging a foreign male client ... i.e. $ 3,000 one-time ... or monthly / 1/2 year memberships ... or $$$ scaled memberships ... is reasonable. Of course, the Chinese lady clientele wouldn't be charged ... by joining free ... we can get lots of profiles. The match-making sites here in North America charge up to $ 10,000 with just the promise of 10 profile matches and actual first dates.
How would you guys organize this business project ??????????
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Hiya Chong, think your idea has got lots of merit, just got to let the business man of this outfit better known as Vince figure this one out for us may take him a couple of days tho, and we do have Mike (CS) already implanted there somewhere...lol
Like to see what some of the others think of the idea also
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"....I'm not only the President of the company, I'm also a client!"
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I'll take the Zhuhai/ZHongshan/Jiangmen satellite office!!
The high fees for western males would weed out the tire-kickers and give the ladies more confidence in the service. Aren't the women charged a fee to join with a Chnlove affiliate? It is as important to weed-out the female tire-kickers also, but I guess, being in country and paying attention to a woman's correspondence history (while making periodic customer service calls to our male clients to get their updates), we could eliminate the BS artists among them soon enough to develop a local reputation that would keep some of the female riff-raff away.
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Just have an idea that this could just snowball into something really great, as I was also reading the posts from the bad agency post., and there a lot of positive responses in there also, even from Vince.....lol
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Good thought Chong , I am already playing matchmaker with some of Qings girlfriends and with approx 180 thousand plus very eligible ladies in her area could be a traffic jam in ChongQing
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I am also asked to play matchmaker for some of my lady's friends so why not..
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In theory, for this idea to work ...
1) would require a full-time computer tech person to replicate the ChnLove website ... but customize our own intensive features ... i.e. expanded profile info, photo gallery, 'paypal' set-up etc ...
2) Corporation set-up & committment of interested business partners / members to live in China and the committment of their wives to co-venture in their area / city.
3) time ... it would take a year to get this off the ground properly. Just to place local ads and then input ladies' data & pics onto the main website. You need at least 1,000 lady profiles minimum.
4) time ... regarding gathering a data of male clients. Our website would have to be at the forefront along with the other Asian dating websites when 'Google' / surfing.
5) The main website and business model need a 'small scale' trial & error run before even comteplating a world-wide launch.
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Further to this topic that was raised on the "Rotten ChnLove Agencies" thread ...
How would you guys organize this business project ??????????
Most of the male contact should be able to be done through the internet as most agencies do. However, if we go high end on prices, we may have to have a branch office or two in the states for personal contact with male clients. Some poor schlubs might have to be in the states, or it can rotate with guys circulating from China.
Women need to enroll in person in the branch offices, with frequent evaluation of their correspondence tactics. I don;t think it's unreasonable to have women pay for the kind of treatment we envision offering them.
Enlist hotels near the offices for good rates on client stays, other frills like that.
Men can check out profiles and our customer service guys can make suggestions, based on first hand knowledge of the women, and based on the compatibility profiles we require in the enrollment process. But before contact can be made they have to pay up for one level of service or another - silver - gold - platinum.
What comes first the women enlisting or the men??? Have brigade of video survey takers, or some well placed focus group evaluations of the idea somewhere near our planned branch office locations in China, showing dozens/hundreds of qualified women who agree they would enroll if the service was offered - a short individual video of them, some personal info pasted with her video on the website and the ball might be rolling. Those women who help us with this initial offering pay nothing for the service when be do begin to provide. We need to entice the cash without having to lay out a lot of cash up front, so we need something to show men - early signers for men might get a discount as well.
Web design is the key element, but all phases have to be real tight. Just random thoughts.....
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A one time fee seems like a bad idea, and here's why. The labor cost of paying translators is directly proportional to the number of letters of average length received per day, not the number of clients. If you offer free translation services, you're going to have diminishing returns.
Here's the math behind it:
Let M represent the number of men enrolled, N the average number of new men enrolling per year, W the number of women, T the number of translators needed, C the fixed cost of enrolling, and R is the average annual translator salary.
The total revenue taken in annually is NC.
If every man writes only one woman once per day and she responds, then there are 2M letters to translate per day.
Assuming that a translator can do 2 letters per hour, for an 8 hour shift you would need M/8 translators. So that's an annual cost of MR/8. (Let's ignore the fact that M changes for the sake of simplicity.)
HOWEVER, with free "emfs" most guys would communicate with multiple women until they settled on one. So realistically the number of letters would be closer to 8M. The annual translator cost would be MR/2.
So you have NC - MR/2 to cover annual operating expenses. Since C is fixed, N has to grow every year to cover the increased growth from the previous year. Granted, M will decrease some as people get married, drop out, etc. But the revenue stream isn't stable. Granted, there are a LOT of assumptions in this analysis, but I think the logic holds. And yes, I'm a math geek. :D
(NB: interesting that W never came into play.)
I'm beginning to understand why they charge for emfs. I think there should probably be several tiers of membership pricing levels. At the basic (free?) level, you can browse around, and maybe get a few free translations a month of letters of limited length. At mid-level, you get full scale translation services, no limit on length or number of letters. The best plan gives you webcam access, help with visas, maybe tours, that sort of thing.
One thing I'm not sure about is how (much) to pay the agencies, assuming the head office takes in all the money. If a handful of agencies are doing most of the business, how are funds allocated to reflect that? Maybe a fixed amount with bonuses per 100 translations?
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Offer technical help for setting up Skype, MSN, QQ, webcams, help with cell phone issues etc. I think this is a good idea actually.
Big Dave
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Should a premium be paid to initiate contact with a select group of english-speaking women?
Damn, Chris! I'm stumbling through an attempt to put together a presentation for a meeting on May1 with a major investment house - hoping to get funds for a start-up cellular company in an exotic location. I should have enlisted your services - sounds like your a math prodigy!
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No !
Mike ... the guy you should be talking to is ... Carl from Minnesota. he's an expert in start-up phone companies.
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I like the idea. Ronan and I could do the IT things :)
What do you think Ronan?
Ok, suitecases are packed. Show me the way to my office. :twisted:
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I'll be moving to Baoding in Oct 09. I will run the idea past my lady. She already has a successful biz there so she might have some useful input. Good idea, after all the competition is nothing to worry about! :D
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Amazing idea, now we need to run with it. When and if it starts up I'll do whatever I can to help out, preferably make the office in or around Shenzhen if at all possible. Also, Shenzhen is one of the biggest upcoming cities in China and the woman at they very minimum outnumber guys 6 to 1 and that is the gods honest truth. Guangdong is the province where it should base it's main office out of. Most densely concentrated areas in China. You guys can do this just by reading the preceding posts I know it could be a reality in the not too distant future. Another thing I myself could recruit hundreds of females without even breaking a sweat living here. They are starving to be with men that actually care about them. In my eyes it is a win win situation. Funny thing is we would really hurt Chnlove and thier subcontractors once it got off the ground and running. Imagine a reputable marraige broker in China that is set up specifically to actually match up individuals as opposed to just bleeding lonely guys for bogus emfs. You see together we have become an unstoppable force to be reckoned with. Bottom line is matching western guys with eastern women, no more of this money grubbing Chinese mentality turning it into just a business. Money can be made doing this thing for the right reasons. One of the members remarked about the Chinese's complete lack of ethics when it comes to business. In thier eyes if you can get away with it it is all good. It is like driving, there are no rules so whatever it takes do it to make the money. I have every confidence we can do this thing and be proud of the end result. China Shark is aboard and looking forward to helping out anyway he can. :mrgreen:
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What we need to find out is ...
1) among the smaller agencies ... how many foreign , male clients are there ???
2) same question regards the larger agencies ( 200 + lady profiles ) ???
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Talked to Martin last night ... interesting, on China's internet, there's a page on ChnLove's website that has emphasis on answering lady inquiries ...
http://www.chnlove.com/cn/lady/ladyfaqs.php
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I like the idea. Ronan and I could do the IT things :)
What do you think Ronan?
Ok, suitecases are packed. Show me the way to my office. :twisted:
My IT skills are not really much in the html/interwebby space at all, I just dabble. For the kind of idea Chong is proposing needs someone with proper web development skills far more advanced than my rudimentary figure it out as you go along approach. I could probably maintain something created like the board here for example, but it needs to be put together in a professional way initially if its going to be a success.
That said, if it gets big and Fibre storage is needed..than I'm your man!!
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Chris or other number crunchers ... what can you tell from these stats ... as to the guess amount of membership on ChnLove ???
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.chinese-lady.com
Click on "Traffic Stats", ( also on "Demographics" for other interesting stats ).
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No Vince ... that's the ranking of ChnLove among the top sites viewed world-wide on the internet. If you place your arrow on the :?: beside 'Traffic Rank', it explains the number.
What's more indicative is that it's the 7,825 ranked site in the USA ... and that there's 194 affiliated sites with search links to ChnLove.
Relative to the general internet population, the age bracket 55-64 are overly represented on ChnLove. Next is the 35-44 age group.
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Yibang Rose Consulting agency in Nanning [ Translation]
Yi Bang Bang Rose Kam Hong Kong companies to the media for the Asia (Hong Kong) Marriage Service Network (formerly known as Hong Kong Kam-state network of marriage) in Guangxi (Nanning) provide face-to-face (face to face) the services of the Hong Kong International matchmaking agency authority!
Rose is currently co-operation with easy to state database of members, men more than 100,000 members. Foreign partners as a result of targeted advertising through the large number of men mainly from members of the developed countries and regions. One in Europe, North America and other developed countries accounted for the vast majority of members of the men.
Thanks to Nick L for the above link.
Found this, its from a Chinese job agency. What do you guy's make of it?
? Company Profile
* Name: Hong Kong Co., Ltd Kam mainland state authority
Easy to state Nanning Business Advisory Services Limited
YiBang Business Consulting Co.Ltd YiBang Business Consulting Co.Ltd.Unit Description: easy to state business is in Hong Kong Co., Ltd Kam mainland state authority as the chief authority in Guangxi, easy-state business of the company located in Nanning, in prime locations - dong GE Road, Kaifeng Building, 10-11 floor, the company has a graceful office environment, customer reception room layout and unique, advanced systems of modern office (Hong Kong office network direct access to the corporate office system), strict management system for Hong Kong-style, the company has a highly qualified professional translators and formal senior professionals consultant.
The company's Web site:www.msvipclub.com
Interview Time: 10:00 - 17:00 (Monday to Saturday)
Online Recruitment
Treated spring
Post List
Part-time translation
Business clerks
English translation
Assistant Manager
Deadline: 2009-10-9 (Friday)
Job:
30 part-time translation
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Job requirements:
(Working hours: choose three time periods, 8:30 am - 12: 30 pm :1:00 - 17: 00 pm 17:30 - 21: 30 4 hours must be in the company's work) over post-secondary education, English majors (non-English majors, English ability may be considered), irrespective of age, be able to speak English, who asked: There are strong translation skills, and practical work experience is preferred, strong communication skills, good communication, good professional ethics and team spirit. Work experience have the same priority sectors paid employment!
Salary range :400-800 yuan (trial period ended, the official signing of the employment agreement. First with your personal photos curriculum vitae sent to our company e-mail, please attach your curriculum vitae your QQ number and photos used, the company will be the first interview through the network. No QQ number of photographs and biographical notes, will be rejection, Thank you for your cooperation!)
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Clerical Business 15
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Job requirements:
Age requirements: Age 22 years of age
English language requirements: At least three more (four or more priority)
the academic qualifications required for: a college education
the character requirements: character, cheerful and lively, hard, with strong patience, a positive work hard, have team spirit, the spirit of good service and professional ethics, decency generous, good and different ages communication
other capacity requirements: fluent Mandarin, Cantonese, listen to understand. Have a stronger ability to express language.Of Western culture and have some knowledge about life.
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Age requirements:
Over 18 years of age
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Monthly salary levels:
Candidates to the post
English 20
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Job requirements:
College education, English professional (non-English majors, English ability may be considered), irrespective of age, be able to speak English, who asked: There are strong translation skills, and practical work experience is preferred, strong communication skills, good communication, have a good work ethic and team spirit. Work experience have the same priority sectors paid employment!
Salary range :700-2000 yuan (the trial period ends, the formal signing of the employment agreement First with your personal photos curriculum vitae sent to our company e-mail, please attach your curriculum vitae your QQ number and photos used, the company will be the first interview through the network. No QQ number of photographs and biographical notes, will be rejection, Thank you for your cooperation!)
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Age requirements:
Over the age of 20
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Monthly salary levels:
700-2000
Candidates to the post
Assistant Manager 5
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Job requirements:
the age requirement: 20 years of age
Foreign Language requirements: English for more than four
the academic requirements: Bachelor degree or above
Height: 160CM above
appearance: a cordial and comfortable and elegant temperament
the character requirements: cheerful and lively, bright smile; there are very patient, and actively work hard; there is team spirit, the spirit of good service and professional ethics, decency generous, good and different ages communication.
other capacity requirements: fluency in Cantonese and Putonghua, basic conversation in English fluently. Have a stronger ability to express language.Of Western culture and have some knowledge about life.
English foreign trade export-oriented professional with priority given to the character! Accounting, administrative, property, logistics, medical, web page design professional, such as inward-looking character, please do not vote, thank you!)Where a non-compliance with the requirements of this job, please do not vote! The two sides so as not to waste time! Thanks! :idea:
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That 100k number seems reasonable, but so would any other number under 500k. It depends on who they consider to be a member. If you sign up, you're a member regardless of how active you are on the site.
Another site suggested that chnlove gets about 22k hits per day. If 10% of the membership came on at least daily, that 100k number could be right. I played with the alexa numbers a little bit, but there really isn't enough information to even make a guess as to how many active members there are. It could be anywhere from 2500 to 25000.
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Shark,
Love the energy, guy! This is an extremely doable thing, and with our collective experience dealing with the agencies, we could make it a HUGE success. Customer service and integrity are the key. Speaking about recruiting ladies, I am surprised that between Zhuhai and Zongshan, the SE Guangzhou quadrant, the agencies only list 447 women out of a population of +/_ 3 million. With our offices staffed by a multinational husband and wife teams showing that such matches can succeed, recruitment should be relatively easy. Now, how to get a decent website up and running to fund the initial buildout....
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anyone win the 649 tonight
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But, of course, "money" has to be made. I think that charging a foreign male client ... i.e. $ 3,000 one-time ... or monthly / 1/2 year memberships ... or $$$ scaled memberships ... is reasonable. Of course, the Chinese lady clientele wouldn't be charged ... by joining free ... we can get lots of profiles. The match-making sites here in North America charge up to $ 10,000 with just the promise of 10 profile matches and actual first dates.
How would you guys organize this business project ??????????
Chong, here's an example of a introduction website using a multi-tiered payment system for both translation service and higher end introduction services. Not saying it's good or bad, but maybe a good idea for us to post and review varied examples of existing revenue generators. You guys have know of any other websites to use as an example?
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forgot to post the link :oops:
http://www.sweetsingles.com
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No, No Vince ... it's the 'ranking', not 'average visits'. Yes, "the rank is calculated using a combination of average daily visits over the past 3 mths" ... but it doesn't give us this figure.
If you click on "Top Sites', Google is # 1 ... and it's "Traffic Rank" is ... 1 ( across the board for all time period averages). Yahoo is next and it's "Traffic Rank" is ... 2.
ChnLove is ranked as the # 17,497 ( 191 linked sites ) most viewed site in terms of traffic in the world. In the USA, it's ranked as the # 7,825 most viewed site.
Other World Rankings ...
Match.com # 338 ( 3,460 linked sites ) ..... # 1 Dating Site
LavaLife # 7,712
AsiaFriendFinder # 11,487 ( 3,981 linked sites )
Cherry Blossoms # 23,850 ( 121 linked sites )
CandleFor Love # 671,819 ..... not doing too well
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Here's another stats link about ChnLove ...
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/chnlove.com/
What do you think ... Vince / Chris ???
Company .... Unique Visits ??? .... Visits ..... Rank
ChnLove ............141,012 ..... 632,121 ...... 15,216
AsiaFriendFinder .. 87,984 ......222,833 ...... 24,287
CherryBlossoms ... 8,887 ...... 77,317 ..... 185,021
Lavalife ... 224,065 .... 951,412 ..... 9,393
Match.com ... 5,404,835 ..32,928,956 ..... 257 .... # 1 Dating Site
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I like the idea. Ronan and I could do the IT things :)
What do you think Ronan?
Ok, suitecases are packed. Show me the way to my office. :twisted:
My IT skills are not really much in the html/interwebby space at all, I just dabble. For the kind of idea Chong is proposing needs someone with proper web development skills far more advanced than my rudimentary figure it out as you go along approach. I could probably maintain something created like the board here for example, but it needs to be put together in a professional way initially if its going to be a success.
That said, if it gets big and Fibre storage is needed..than I'm your man!!
Well, Ronan there are a lot more things to do then just squezzing some HTML-kode. I think you maust have both technical and organizational skills to keep such fibre storage boxes running. For the site itself there are a lot of CMS-systems which can be used. And 4 or 5 of us should be able to come up with some layout for the site.
The challenge would be, keep things running at acceptional speed and accessebility(?). Don't you think?
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I think it's probably a distraction to try to correlate website hits to membership. We've established that there is a market, and no lack of supply for either men or women. I think the main reason we would want firm numbers would be for advertising rates, but as an advertiser I would want raw data. Other reasons would be for planning bandwidth and storage expenditures, but that would be estimated better after building a prototype and dealing with raw data instead of trying to estimate numbers we don't have access to.
I don't have experience building a business plan, so I have to rely on the software model. At this point I would list everything that we want the business to do at a basic level. After everything gets listed out we can see what's feasible, basic business organization, software, etc.
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guys this is all interesting stuff.I think there is a need for this kind of service.Like somebody said it has to be run with the utmost honesty and integreaty.
What is it going to take to run a buisness like that? what are your complaints with the agencies we have all delt with?
To much photoshopping of the pictures
suspected ringers.
bad translation.Flowery words added to letters.
Emf.to expensive.
translater services to expensive.
Corperate offices should be in Guandong province.With other offices in Beijing,Shanghai.and satelite offices in other towns through out China.Tour packages should be offerd at a resonable price to China.And around China
I think you guys are limiting yourselves if you only offer the service to the women who wants to marry a foreign man.There is a huge internet dateing scene in China.That you would be missing out on.
Translaters are payed by the letter.they get payed when the man comes to China and needs a translater.I don't think you would have trouble finding translaters.
Finding the ladies running background checks.That mite be a little tough.In some parts of China it is not desirable to have a foreign husband.So you would have to figure out where in China this would work.
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Maxx, you are right. There are a lot of opportunities. But you can't do it all from the beginning. It demands some cash to do all those things. But it will has to be taken in for the long term strategy planning.
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Hajo I agree if you start out small.While keeping the long range plan in site it will work.But you are going to need the basics to begin.Translaters computers,starting cash,enternet exposure,The ladies.
Sarge knows a couple of ladies,Arnold knows one or two and I know of two.ANd I'm sure a couple of the other members of this group know some more ladies.
If we want to do this we need to get it started.But where to start.And where to get the start up capitol? That is where I'm stuck at
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Start-up capital is the least of the worries. Long-term funding can be leverage. Establishing a business model also is not a worry. I started my own company in 1999 and sold it in 2007. With the amount of work experience & business intelligence among us men and a committee board of .... say, 10 men .... sitting down & formulating a business start-up plan based on our personal ChnLove experience & choosing the best web layout and features from all the Asian/Dating sites ......... :!:
The most important component is the future committment on the part of ChnLove husbands & wives. I know that we're just theorizing now but who would actually go and live in Guangzhou, Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing and the other satellite cities ???
Let's just do a sample test here ......
Who would operate in what cities ???
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Count me in for Guangzhou.
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I could work out of Shenzhen or the surrounding area.
China Shark
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To add to the Brotha's agency reference library: http://www.quantcast.com/chnlove.com
This gives good general demographics of the Chnlove clientelle, as well as reference to other sites likely used by chnlove users. Interesting that 32% of its users are +$100K income, and 16% went to grad school. I saw seniorpeoplemeet.com listed there and actually felt my hair getting grayer. ;) Plug a website name into the search box and you get the demographic data for that site.
Read a lot about how pay sites are dying (couldn't tell by the $300+million match.com raked in last year). Also read a lot about QQ being the biggest social networking site in China, but haven't seen the site yet - I'll do that this weekend. You guys know how it works already. I assume that as non-Chinese speaking male, it would be hard to make first contact that way. Am i wrong?
Am I wrong in thinking, as important as the advertising and translation revenue a dating site could garner, we're also targeting a select group of men, rather than the casual browsing guy who's window shopping and fantasizing while chatting up a storm? Personalized one-on-one matching can reap huge rewards also.
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Hi,
My good lady and myself "could" run the Baoding office. I ran the idea past her and she can see the potential here, after all Chinese people are very biz savvy. Re the online recruitment adds. This is one agency looking for 30 translators running a 4 hour shift pattern over a 12 hour time frame, over seen by 5 managers. 1 manager to 6 translators. Biz is either very good or there's a high turnover of staff. Our translator during the early phase of our relationship, who is related to my lady said it would take her around's 40 mins to translate my 6000 word letter and do the same for my lady. At this rate 1 translator can do maybe 6 turn around's in a shift or 12 translations. Therefore 30 new translators adds up to an increase in capacity of 360 translations to the office or 36o x cost of an EMF credit. This is on top of there current capacity. If the letters are shorter then this figuer rises. They are paying between 400 and 800 yuan to the translators,probable based on there speed and 700 to 2000 to the managers based on EMF credits generated? These figures are based on the longest letters possible,shorter letters and they all win,hands down.
Mike, my Lady and I used QQ to start with but I was getting a lot of "friend "requests from ladies? so we moved to yahoo.No way of knowing who they were really. You can check out there user profiles but who knows.
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I hate to keep double posting, but as the ideas swirl, I don't want to lose them.
All preconceived notions aside, what do we really want to do? - live in China with our beloved and work there in a rewarding, and hopefully profitable job. If we start with the notion that we need heavy infrastructure investment and some website to rival the volume of Match.com or even Chnlove - that's intimidating.
I'll give you my bottom line: Forget the hundreds of translators, we need only one or two good ones in each location (Like TIm in Zhuhai); figure that a mere 100 pre-qualified men, paying up to $10K for the right to be matched with only a handful of pre-selected, prospective mates, we haul in $1million, we get 500 men, that's $5 million, and so on. individual, personalized matching of serious, properly funded men, with qualified, accomplished, sincere Chinese women. It does not take much of a corporate office, at first it takes maybe just a nice condo with space large enough, and even intimate enough, that a woman can come and receive assistance in comfortably conversing with her man via the internet. We're not talking about dealing with hundreds of women per day at any one of our branch locations. If we had only 20 excellent women in each location, wouldn't that suffice? No need for an elaborate website and building-sized server since there's no huge website to browse through - we allow each male client meet a few women intimately. I met one with no more infrastructure that my laptop - so did the rest of us. Yes, we used the infrastructure of Chnlove to do that, but our clients won't need to do that. Our infrastructure will grow as needed and funded. But we can stay out of the matching/dating rat race.
Shark Mike and others know how many wonderful ladies we could recruit, even after serious qualification rounds. All we need to do is advertise through high-end media outlets in the West. Tell me that takes a huge corporate presence. :D
The joy I feel with my lady, and the additional example of you brothas here is the best advertisement we can have. It would be so rewarding to spread that wealth, both spiritually and financially. I'd be honored to be a part of it if you'll allow me. Let's really do this - together. Just my $0.02.
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Mike ... "Double M" / Froggie ... Thanks for that site, it's what I was searching for.
Based on their stats ... per month ... 134,630 people x 36% regular users = 48,466 members. Visits per month ... 2,296,265 x 35% regular users = 803,693 visits per month = 16.5 visit per member per month.
The hardcore users ( 30 or more visits / month to the site ) is 5% x 134,630 = 6,731. ... This is a realistic membership number.
chineselovelinks.com : their monthly traffic is 28,000 x 35% regular users = 9,800 members of which 28,000 x 5% = 1,400 Hardcore users.
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Chong, Hajo & ?? would love to run an office in ?? I am not bound to any city. I have talked to my actual lady. She doesn't care where we would live China. It could be Xi'an or maybe Urumqi (if not too small for a start) 8-)
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Hola gentlemen,
This is a terrific idea BUT:
-Keep it small and don´t overdo it because we will finish falling in the same mistakes as chnlove is doing now. We don´t need to cover half of China for a start. Three or four of the main cities can "supply" us of enough women and "quality control" would be easier. (Wow I hate talking about this a if it was a car factory).
-The idea of a extremely high member fee is dangerous. Don´t turn it into a millionaires club. I am not willing to pay 1.000, or more for just a subscription, and I think a lot of people here are serious enough for these women but not quite ready for that. Keep prices real. You yourself have stated that the starting investment does not need to be huge. You might look greedy, though you are not. Also think that paying such high fees will attract undesireable women to the site and I don´t want to discover that once I have her at home. "my friend married a 100K man and I will do the same" do you really want that?
-It does not have to be totally free for women: Of course not the abuse they are suffering now, but if you want something, show me that you really want it. (Anyway we´ll offer to pay ourselves in the end).
Just my two euro cents. All the best to you all
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Miguel, I agree ... the high fee was in reference to an all-inclusive ... i.e. we handle all the documents ( visa, marriage, wedding organization, flights, hotel, immigration, etc etc ... )
I also believe that a lady should pay a nominal fee to join ... and pay for all her extras ( one or two nice photo, English lessons ). We can use a regular camera for the 'real' photos.
Yes, Like any 'service' business, you have to start small until the business model is proven. The city part is not a problem. Wherever the Brotha is, he can start small scale there.
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Zhiping is enthusiastic about the idea, so please pencil us in for Zhuhai area (SW quadrant of Guangzhou metroplex)
Miguel, I was throwing out the suggestion about something more along the lines of a matchmaker service than a dating service, and the fees for those is rather high in the states, and should command a premium for a hands-on international match. Over 30% of Chnlove customers are +100K, and I will wager a majority of men who consummate a marriage through chnlove are in that category.
A lot of reference has been made here about selecting ladies already known to our mates, or through their verifiable network of friends, so the gold-digger aspect wouldn't come into play as readily. I quote, "I do not want marry money, I need a man in my life." I am game for anything, but to differentiate from the large numbers of dating website services already available, and populated by the drooling knuckleheads typified by the recent posts in the official chnlove forum, I thought that rigorously qualifying, through in-person interviews, both men and women, including personality evaluation to ease matching, civil and financial background check for both parties, would give both parties confidence that the service was on the up and up, and worth the premium because they could be almost guaranteed success. We would be involved all along the way offering guidance to those uncomfortable with the language and custom barriers (viewing the initial video conferences and offer follow-up consults to offer tips on how to present themselves or have an easy, open dialog. We'd be the good-doer aunt and uncle who are introducing the good girl to a good man, and vice-versa.
Conditions would have to be met before the first meeting, such as the woman attending English classes and attaining a basic level of English. The guy would have to do the same, at least to the extent that he can show respect to the woman and her family to speak several phrases in Chinese. Strange as it seems, I even think that the man (and woman?) should become comfortable with the persons profile and inner beauty and correspond at first sight-unseen, before being allowed to see the real-life photos of both parties, as well as videos that show each inside, outside, at home and in life so each can really see the other. That may be too far out there. Just a thought.
The first women who sign up for this (and we don't need a huge number of women) may not have to pay a fee, although that would be great if they could for a pre-qualified match. Referrals will carry us after that and certain fees would be paid by the woman.
Some of these ladies have conversed for months with guys that actually have neither the means, nor the intention to make the leap from talk to action. Same for the guys who are frustrated with the suspicion that they are being scammed, which is what brought this idea to the fore to begin with.
Again, I suggest all this to try to distance us from what is already there. I see something like this being fairly easy to start, and snowballing as reputation grows among men who want an asian wife for the right reasons, but are intimidated by the unfamiliarity of the present;y available process.
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All sounds good to me only thing worrys me if you go out priceing the avage guy on the street who has to save up to do all the things,allso (civil and financial background check for both parties) sounds a bit like big brother to me just my pennys worth.
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I wouldn't pass these tests. hehe hehe
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Concerning those background checks, there are different rules in the different countries. As far as I know it's easy in the US do those checks. It's not the same here in Europe I think. Here in Denmark you can't just check a guys background. You would have to send the guys a form to fill out about their backgound. Thats it.
I would although think if a guy is willing to pay the expenses for communicating and traveling to China, he would be serious about it. The average guy should have the posibility too. The most important thing is, that he is honest and good in his behaviour to the lady.
That would be my opion.
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Hajo, and others - Yeah, the background check might kept me out of the game too. :D OK, I was just thinking of ways to weed out players.
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All sounds good to me only thing worries me if you go out pricing the average guy on the street who has to save up to do all the things,
You're right that the average guy probably couldn't pony up for that service. I'm just bouncing ideas. But what I was speculating about was a way to matchmake, rather than merely mediate letter correspondence. I think there's a market for both, with the big database and translation angle being widespread already. I don't know of any "one-on-a-few" matchmaking services, and I think there would be a market for guys who wanted to cut to the chase, and are willing to pay for it to avoid the time-wasting BS of feeling around in the dark in a foreign land. I just can't think of any way to garner a huge database of customers and not have a good deal of wasted time on the part of either party, or more of the same issues with either party not closing the deal, or being sincere. I agree the translation service would be profitable.
It could be an add-on service to anything else we come up with, and a less infrastructure intensive division, but would require personal attention, hence a stepped fee for services as they are rendered. But those guys would have nearly guaranteed success within a reasonable time-frame. I would love to personally assist guys in their search - hands-on and rewarding. :D
Doesn't take the involvement of a lot of men or women, employees or clients, to make one or two successful pairing per month over time, if both sides are serious in finding a mate, and they are provided a professional, comfortable way to do that. Again, I'm just brainstorming.
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Without photoshop pictures, knowing that the ladies are 'real', providing detail chemistry profile information ( other than a general description ) ... time will be saved and men will be able to find their match quickly ( within 3 months ) ..... instead of the ChnLove approach of contacting many to find one compatible lady. So, in a sense, it's match-making without the high fees.
Regards pricing, I don't think we can discriminate against wealthly men by charging them more ... but we can offer them "one-stop" services if they want. The regular income for the site will be made through EMFs translations, gift services, travel & tour guide services, etc etc ...
I also believe there should be an "one time" administrative charge upon joining, say $ 25.00. This will filter out the non-serious guys. As well, the name on the credit card will be one proof that this man appears legit.
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After reading all the replies.....I wonder if some have lost sight of the reason this idea came into being......The idea was to build a site that was to get around bad sites, that have lost sight of the reason we are all here, that being to meet the lady of our dreams, and to be able to do that without being taken advantage of, and being ripped off by bad sites, and game players......After starting my own bussiness three times, and building a sucessful bussiness, only to be sucessful enough to have my competition want to buy my company, all three times......I have found if you give the customer what they look for, honest service, and a fair price, you will be a profitable company.....You might want to remember what brought this idea to be......If you open a site based only with the idea of making money,then you will end up with a site just like all the rest.....Only looking to make money off of others, like you and me.....If this site is built to do what we all want, then we can make a site that will allow others to meet their dream Lady and still pay the bills of the site....And if it is built on a solid foundation of being honest, and sincere, with all clients, then you can be sucessful, and make money.....I for one would be intrested in investing in a site like this, and more than willing to move to China, to open a office serving only this new site......Money, will not buy you the happiness, you will get from being able to help two people to find the right one.......If the site will pay the bills, and allow the office to pay the employees in that office, and a salary of somekind for the manager of that office, then the site will grow, and be a sucess.....If making money is the only reason to do this, then maybe everyone should rethink what the pourpose of the site is.....
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After reading all the replies.....I wonder if some have lost sight of the reason this idea came into being......The idea was to build a site that was to get around bad sites, that have lost sight of the reason we are all here, that being to meet the lady of our dreams, and to be able to do that without being taken advantage of, and being ripped off by bad sites, and game players......After starting my own bussiness three times, and building a sucessful bussiness, only to be sucessful enough to have my competition want to buy my company, all three times......I have found if you give the customer what they look for, honest service, and a fair price, you will be a profitable company.....You might want to remember what brought this idea to be......If you open a site based only with the idea of making money,then you will end up with a site just like all the rest.....Only looking to make money off of others, like you and me.....If this site is built to do what we all want, then we can make a site that will allow others to meet their dream Lady and still pay the bills of the site....And if it is built on a solid foundation of being honest, and sincere, with all clients, then you can be sucessful, and make money.....I for one would be intrested in investing in a site like this, and more than willing to move to China, to open a office serving only this new site......Money, will not buy you the happiness, you will get from being able to help two people to find the right one.......If the site will pay the bills, and allow the office to pay the employees in that office, and a salary of somekind for the manager of that office, then the site will grow, and be a sucess.....If making money is the only reason to do this, then maybe everyone should rethink what the pourpose of the site is.....
I agree with you! You can shear a sheep many times, but you can only skin it once!!
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Being honest is enough to put us on the top of the pile. Yes there are many dating sites but I for one don't trust any of them. To many players on both sides, To tell you the truth Chlove is probably one of the better ones. Chongs idea of a low initial joining fee sounds good to me, and we get the clients card details a big plus and easy verification. All we can hope to do is to help good people on both sides find what we are all looking for and give them the benefit of the pool of knowledge we have here. Yes we need to cover our costs and maybe make a living to start with,but I'm not into turning this fine idea into an elitist sport for guy's with cash. I think the majority of us are just working guy's who are willing to make sacrifices in order to be with our ladies. How many of us are pulling double shifts? Being honest with all concerned could make this into something we are all proud of and make a profit. Maybe a Brothers co-operative set up would work,plus a steering committee to keep us on track. Share the costs and the profits equally. Yes I know...I'm an old hippy, buts whats wrong with truth, love and understanding.
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Well sead paul.
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Well, let's start some research ...
1) How many members are there in ChnLove or any of the other Asian Dating Sites ? :roll: Any calculated guess ?
2) At your lady's agency, what's the total # of profiles and male clients ? Once we get a few responses, we can apply ratios. Ratios = Number of lady profiles divided by male clients. After getting a few ratios, we can apply an average ratio to the 6,700 ladies profiles on Chnlove to get an approx. total male membership number.
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The Yibang Rose Consulting agency in Nanning "say" they have a data base of 100,000 men. I think this must be the Chnlove number. Ladies profiles is what 6 or 7000? can't remember the exact amount, I'm sure Chnlove will boast of it somewhere. As to what a member is or a valid ladies profile actualy is I'm not sure about that either. Don't want to appear stupid but what are the ratio's, and how will they help.If I'm a lost cause, sorry. hehe hehe
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Well, a site like asianpromise.com only has 360 male members and 120 lady profiles.
http://www.quantcast.com/asianpromise.com ... shows only 613 hits on average / month. And the hardcore number is 1% = 63 serious members.
Regards ChnLove, it would assume 143,000 visits / month x 5% hardcore users = approx. 6,700 male members. Any agreement / disagreements on this calculation ???
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Vince , what you have not taken in account is , those pages only show the Women form Apr. '08 to Apr. '09 , but that does not show the ones that are still member's with them . Examble : Lily ( my sister ) she has gotten six free month's from the Agency because she has found nobody yet and she is not listed under those you saw . To get to her Profile you need to know her ID number . So I'm sure there are at least 2000 more Lady's of those . What about the refreshed profile's , their are on seperate pages as well . That also goes for Min ( my other sister ) also over a year now .
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I'm not sure about the rest of the Brotherhood mate, but I think this is seriously a very good idea. :D
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I have a website that we can use. I only need to know what name we want and i can have it up and running in about 1 day. But, I will only be associated with it if we keep it honest and sincere. I know we start off that way. i know most guys here will also but if we find out someone is pushing the envelope they need to be out in a flash. All we need is one bad apple and then the naysayers will kill us. We are going to have disgruntled people. As the saying goes you can please some of the people some of the time but cant please all of the people all of the time. now as to the administrators, the book keepers bank accounts and the DBA's. (Doing Business As) plus the LLC. That has to be done also. Otherwise the board can get sued for their personal assets. That is not good. LLC cost but not that much. I think Arizona has the cheapest LLC's. i will have to research that again. I believe a couple of us can keep the site going with a few others to help put info up. Now, what about translations.
I have an idea why not start small, see how it goes and how it is all going to be put together. I suggest about 90 girls at first only those known and can speak english at least a little. Put the word out. Get in on the search lists. Track the hits and see. That is just my 2 cents.
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JimB, do you have admin rights? If so, if you install php and mysql, I can write the database tables. I used to be a database programmer, but haven't coded anything in a while. I didn't do any professional coding in php, but I can probably build a decent prototype site. The database schema would take a week with revisions... maybe a half day to insert some test data, and at least a month to churn out the code and test it depending on how busy I am with other things.
For a decent test, 100 girls would be a good start. Assuming 5 pictures per girl at 1Mb each (overkill), that's 500Mb. Videos would basically double the needed storage at 1 per girl. Bandwidth will become a big issue at some point. Just things to keep in mind. Fortunately php and mysql are portable, so if we want to move to a server overseas it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
If you guys want me to do it or be a part of a coding team I will. The main thing I would want would be regular input in a separate category on this forum. Having everything in one topic would be a freaking nightmare. :D Maybe one topic per page.
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Nick ... you make valid points. The current Asian Dating sites were all formed as competitors to ChnLove. It's a matter of doing better than the 'original'. My previous business started the same way. What will make us different is that, members can contact us and our Chinese wives ( as agency owners ) directly and that we'll provide the lady's proof of existence after the first letter. This would be part of our marketing strategy.
Sarge, Chris .... great initiative, but we getting ahead of ourselves. If you want to test a prototype, go ahead. I suggest to treat it as your own "City Agency" , not the "Mothership Website".
If we were to go ahead with this ... 1) we have to be living in China 2) our wives are partners in an actual office 3) who will admin the main support "Mothership" website as a separate entity 4) each of us have to have a separate business agency entity & website 5) there needs to be a face-to-face general meeting to hash out liability issues, corporation issues, establish a business plan & model etc etc .... 6) we don't even know each other, except by internet .... and we want to start a business together ???????
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I liked reading the ideas thrown around here about starting an alternate dating site. I remember last week joking with my wife about starting our own dating site as a valid business. Except our model was Canlove.com where single Canadian girls could meet men from China for marriage. Hum... unappreciative girls meet unappreciative men - a match made in heaven. :mrgreen:
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I liked reading the ideas thrown around here about starting an alternate dating site. I remember last week joking with my wife about starting our own dating site as a valid business. Except our model was Canlove.com where single Canadian girls could meet men from China for marriage. Hum... unappreciative girls meet unappreciative men - a match made in heaven. :mrgreen:
Wonderful Idea Rhonald. Maybe my ex wife could meet a man that actually works for a living. :D
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Yes, that's why each Brotha have to have their own business agency in their respective cities. They can run it however they like. Set up their own website, legality, local marketing etc etc .... No partnerships, each is responsible for their own agency.
The "Mothership Website" markets on the world-wide internet for ALL the local Brotha agencies. The business model would be the same as ChnLove except all of us work co-operatively ... even if we have separate businesses. Your agency can leave the mothership website anytime you want if you don't feel a connection with your agenda.
A similiar business model would be 1-800-FLOWERS .... many local florists in different cities using a main marketing website to promote world-wide business.
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Well said Chong, I think this is the way to go! :D Cooperation and support.
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Chong,
#1 and #2 are so far down the road that they're functionally irrelevant. 6 months from now they might re-enter the discussion, if people are actively talking about putting up investment capital.
#3 can be done from anywhere, assuming we don't require physical control of the server. Once we develop an e-commerce site (instead of using something like PayPal and an Excel spreadsheet), we should probably outsource the IT work to a local firm which can take care of the internet security issues. We could hire a DBA/*nix person and run our own server, but that's probably more hassle than it's worth.
I'm not sure #4 is true. That depends more on Chinese law and the business model than anything else. I think at this point it's one of those ideas that's in place because that's how the other guys do it. The difference between the ChnLove model and 1800flowers is that their affiliates have a tangible product with a supply chain, whereas the product CL supplies to the agencies (and the reverse direction too, which is an important distinction from 1800flowers) is its customer list. This has two major implications. First, since agencies are paid per successful match (and other things but this is where their big money seems to come from), the agencies are competing against each other for male clients. This only encourages bad behavior. Secondly, the florists could survive without the big website. CL's agencies would have to sign contracts with another list provider or collapse if the umbrella website went down. Assuming people will be cooperative once money starts rolling in (or not) doesn't seem like a good way to run a business IMHO. Who knows, maybe the CL agencies were altruistic at one time too.
Also, I think the idea of an agency being able to leave its connection to the hq is more complicated than you make it out to be. The hq gets money from the men, the agency from the women (it might be a zero amount). If there are current relationships going on when an agency decides to leave, you have a real mess as far as determining which company is obligated to pay for continuing emails, translations, etc. Once the agency is connected to another list provider, does the agency have to compensate the hq for the loss of revenue? There are too many scenarios to list here, but you get the idea of how bad things would be for a business which is marketing its reputation as a selling point. A much easier way to settle things is to force the agency holder to sell his "franchise," and if he wants to go into the same business with another umbrella company, that's fine. But the agency name and its clients stay with the original company.
Honestly, as far as #6 goes... the way I see this playing out is that one person (maybe two, but unlikely) with business acumen, drive, and investment capital will set up the main office and a satellite, and maybe one other team will open a satellite. As time passes more teams may be added, but like with most projects people will talk themselves out of it once they realize the amount of work/money/stress involved. So I don't think that's as big of an issue as you may think. This lessens the impact of #5 as well.
Really, AFAICT the main things which need to be done at this point are research oriented. IMO the first real step is for the person who wants to run the hq to consult with a lawyer in China. The internet is only useful to a certain extent.
I'd be willing to do a prototype because a) I have time; b) I have the skill set; and c) I think it would help people maintain focus and interest in the discussion. A tangible product is easier to critique than an abstract business model, at least on an internet forum.
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Maybe it was already written here, and I missed it, but before moving to China and opening a marriage office, we will have to consider the Chinese Government in all of this. The business will have to be registered. Can it be registered by a lao wai? Will we have to get a work visa? How do we go about getting a work visa if we own the business?
My lao po suggested doing the agency thing on the side, while having another job as the main income (and work permit), until it really takes off.
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I like the idea of franchises. But if you are talking about a major scale operation liability insurance is a must. And which country is the "host" of the business. The main "mothership" could handle the insurance and part of the franchise fee is for inclusion in that. I know that is just one point and there are 100 other ones to consider. However, the franchise idea is a good one. it keeps the "goofballs out" (for the most part anyway" And only serious minded could be included and rules can be established as how to lose your franchise. Or sell your franchise. Profits all go to the "morthership" with percentages as to how much business generated and so forth go back to the franchisee.
The franchise can be scaled as to how much control the mothership has. For instance if we want to keep it loose, everything is kept at the franchise and percentages go to mother. There again book keeping and a strong program for keeping track of "letters" of "women" and of "men". As a lot of others have said. this is not a little issue to just take off on.
I think I would like to do this on my own for a little bit and see how it works. I will have the time starting in August. I have the contacts in Beijing, Xi'an and soon in Wuhan. I have 2 translators. A website with a 24/7 99.9% uptime server. A connection with Google for blasting searches. Plus I am buying a travel agency franchise. Mainly for myself so I can get discounts on my flights and travel. But it will also be on the same website as a tie in. I am also going to be selling computers and hardware on it. I am trying to be a one stop shop. I plan on having a chat room area also for public and private chats. And a forum. Now having said that, I am not going to mention it again here unless someone asks. I am not going to try and use this site as an advertising agenda. I should be up and running in a few weeks on a small scale at first. So i will keep you all informed of my foibles and follies. lol.
Maybe that is the way to start this off. Each person has their own startup then after it is up and running we combine into one large corporation. At first each individual would not be seen as a big competitor. They probably would not even see us. If they did they would think we are so small that so what. Then when it is time to found the corp. it would be too late for them. I dont know I am just spitballing here.
Also we need to put this in a private members only type of topic. I would not doubt we have some "spies" reading our topics to see what we are up to. And to keep "This thing of Ours" private. :lol: In order to get in you have had to be "made" and do a "button" job. :lol:
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This is something I may be interested in, if my lady is okay with it. If she is than we could help with starting a Biejing office. I have owned a personal training business nothing to this extent though. But I would truly be interested in helping in anyway that I could.
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....Brothas and sisters,
..Everyone here has valid pionts, and all need to be looked at.....Here is my three cents worth;
..(1)..Make a site that can, provide a service to everyone intrested in meeting, that special person.....With selveral levels of service available.....Free for anyone to join, and you get the members to join, and free to look at profiles, (And the price goes up from there) monthly fee to have contact with women.....
..(2)..And additional fee for more advanced services, which will be directed to each seperate office, such as live chat, translation of letters, computer services for those ladies that do not have a computer.....And the service level goes up from there, you can offer English lessons for the ladies, you can offer different packages to cover whatever; from flight and hotel packages, for them to meet their lady, all the way to a complete package to assist with Immigration Lawyers, and anything else you can think of.....
..(3).. the monthly dues will cover a lot of the daily expenses, of running a office....and the incentive is to work with the serious men and women, who are here to find their life partner.....You cannot put a price on true happiness.....
..I would love to be a part of this, and willing to invest in a solid site, built on honesty, and integrity.....You can pencil me in for a office in, Changsha/HuNan, or Shenzhen/Guangdong, if either is still available.....
..Another site I have used is; AsianEuro.com The set up there is not bad if you remember to block all of the Philippines, from your profile....and many of the women of Chnlove are registered there as well.....But for a monthly membership, I can chat with ladies in china at anytime.....That is where I have met my four chinese sisters.....And now we chat almost everyday, but the service lacks in helping the ladies that are learning English, If you go there, you have to do a China only search, for the women, or you will be dissappointed.....But you cam IM the ladies right now, if thery are online, and the ones I want to get to know, we end up chatting on Yahoo, and sending emails to each other.....And don't accept IM's from the philippines, or you will be sorry..... :lol:
..My point is look at what, all of the other sites offer, take the good things from their site, and build from that, to what we know we want to see as paying customer.....And charge a price, that we would be willing to pay for that service......Many men check out the site, and as time goes on become serious to find a Chinese wife......I have been to China twice now, and if I can make it happen, I hope to move to China, before the end of this year..... :D
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Wow , this is the first time , I actually read all of this Topic from the beginning to the end . Since I would love to move to Shanghai anyway some day , a Agency run by Chong and Myself and our Lady's sound fantastic . I will throw this by Qing and see if she is ready to move back home , after getting her Visa for America ? I am open and would love to be part of such Business venture .
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Just for information my miss Y signed with Beijing Shuxin Marriage Service Center , Sign on fee was 5000 Yuan with more as a success in marriage amount , lucky we did not meet via her agency or Chnlove , but they refuse to take her page off Chnlove , so I guess I may have to visit or later complain via Chnlove or maybe they will get the message if we open an agency next door , :lol:
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If everybody's going to china to start up this new adventure there's going to be nobody left on this site,lol
i found a site which is totally free,called plentyoffish.com i think everything is paid for by advertisements and he runs it from his apartment,he has thousands on his site and dosent charge anybody a dime.
Couldbe worth looking into, to see how he did it and put something into effect here.
Then all you would need from the guys who are already there is to get ladies who are genuinely intrested and hey presto a free site for men and women alike,
its just a idea, because i dont know wether you intend to start up this new site,solely for profit
or not.
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If you just want to make money, you could make a killing supplying Chnlove with decent gifts. The gifts they offer seem like overpriced junk. ;)
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Vince I want to do the photos.Eather that or I want to help the ladies get ready for the photos.As long as I get to see naked Chinese women it don't matter to me. :D
Neil yes they could use some real help with the gifts.What a joke?
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Ummm Maxx ... it's not The Brothel & Sistas Agency !!! :evil: By any chance, do you drive an old Cadillac with poms-poms ???
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Thank you Stuart for suggesting it truly be as free as humanly possible. I think everyone has great ideas yet all seem to be getting ahead of yourselfs. Living over here I'm convinced I could start making contacts for guys back home simply through the free personals right here on ShenzhenParty.com We have seemed to have lost track of the real purpose and that is to help East meet West and eventually lead to a successful marraige. We are overcomplicating this thing. It might actually be possible to somehow make it a non profit with the salaries being the only real costs aside from incidental expenses. Just my thoughts.
China Shark Mike :mrgreen:
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If the true purpose is to get East and West to meet, is there something we can do with a forum like this one (Chnlove.info) that would accomplish that goal? We obviously need to find a new name for it, but perhaps there would be a way to post profiles of guys and ladies looking to meet each other. That might take a lot of the liability and complications out of the equation. Just writing my thoughts, so haven't really ran it through the grinder yet to see how it looks from other views.
Cheers!
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Chong and all the ones egging on.
All of your have already embarked on the path of super headaches.
Has anyone of you practical experience dealing / controlling a hundred females? I'm sure none of you has.
Living at a golf course which employes some 300 females in different jobs I know the headaches you guys are letting yourself in got.
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hey all.
I think that I can make a contribution. I have been developing for the web for the past 7+ years and have seen my share of successful and failed websites.
I can contribute in coding (ASP.NET C#, SQL Server) and gathering business requirements.
- Sumo
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Guys it is possible and it could be done. I already know of a few bilingual people that would actually do physical translating free just to practice thier liguistic skills as well as make friends with foreigners. Just walking the streets of China I see and meet a lot of people that just want to be near them {eg. status symbols}. With that being said many Chinese women want what they can never get from most Chinese men {romance, good manners, basicly an equal relationship}. With a few of us living here it is totally possible as a welcoming committee or as an actual introduction liason. Yes, there should be a small outlay of money to cover transportation and other incidentals. I myself would do anything to help start this up and get it running. Bottom line is if we control it there will be almost a zero chance of deception in the equation. If someone doesn't feel right whether it be the man or the woman we stop if we aren't sure of motives or agenda. I think this in itself would be much more comfortable for those that have been taken advantage already. When money becomes incidental then you see who is real and who has less than honorable motives. Just my thoughts.
China Shark Mike