China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: David on September 27, 2009, 01:41:37 pm
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Well as some of you might remember I was kicked off the official Chnlove site after telling them I have found my future wife and asked for a refund of about $100.00 in credits that I would never spend. It was that or give them away to another brother. I was a little sad that after they refunded my credits they then revoked my membership since I was still active on the forums there and had planned to add Anna's and my wedding photograph there as a success story.
Anna and I plan to change our last name to my Grandparents name after she becomes a US citizen so I decided to rejoin Chnlove using my work email and the new name I will be using. Since this membership was just to be able to use the forums I put nothing into my profile. They ask for between 100 and 1000 words to describe yourself. I only put To be filled in later. I also did not upload a photograph of myself.
To my complete amazement after two days I had received 7 admiration letters. I didn't make my account invisible since I really have no photograph or profile posted. These admiration letters were telling me how handsome I looked and how honest and sincere I sounded and how they could tell I was such a good man. It was all complete hogwash! All seven of those admiration letters have to be form letters automatically mailed out by the agencies. I now doubt that any admiration letters anyone receives are actually written by the lady in question. So my advice is to ignore admiration letters completely and initiate contact with the lady you are interested in. And hopefully you get a real response and not a return letter written by the translator.
If it will help the brothers I can post the names of the agencies who sent me these admiration form letters.
Anna and I got quite a laugh out of this... it is this kind of thing that reminds me of just how lucky I am to have found Anna!:heart:
Big Dave
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David post the agencies mate...:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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This is why i delete admirer emails (after checking out the photos of course..i am a man!).
I reckon the first 4 -7 messages are the translator vetting you..if she has a "sick day" after that drop her.
Not all are like this, Ling chatted to me on msn early, but she did also tell me she sent nothing like the messages i received from her...
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Dear David,
I can see by your profile picture that you are a handsome individual. I hope you will like my admiration letter here :fi_lone_ranger:
I still have my membership at Chnlove and transffered my remaining creidts. My profile is hidden. I do not get letters like you do but I still get Chnlove sending me weekly updates. Just like Irishman, I do window shopping before deleting.
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Ron,
Your right his profile picture is good but if you look closely he's got fangs. Ooooo....
That could be scary. Scare them ladies.
Shaun
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Hmmm, not all admirer letters are to be ignored. My lady sent me one (though she was already on my favourites) and replying to her admirer letter kicked it all off :icon_cheesygrin:.
I did get annoyed with ladies sending me stuff if they were in the wrong age range though :@.
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There are numerous threads here about this very thing. Most admiration letters should be ignored. On the other hand if you put a lady on your admiration list, she is notified even if your profile is hidden. If you hide your profile those ladies that you write to can still see it.
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Hello, sorry for my abrupt leaving and re-appearing. I'll explain later. During my random glancing, this topic of admiration letter caught my attention and made me want to present 2 groups of figures from behind the curtain for your consideration.
The agency I once worked for set standard on amount of admiration letters sending out and rate of responding per translator per month as a minor criterion of performance, the major one, surely, credits. A translator is expected to send out 2500-3000 per month and maintain a responding rate of 1.5%-2%. A translator under-performs if he fails to achieve that. And Chnlove has a fixed figures of 10 admiration letters per lady and 500 in all per day for our agency ( it is said these two figures vary according to different agencies) . So in all our agency could send 500 letters for 50 ladies per day.
Among that 200+ ladies our agency worked for, one, according to my memory, drafted admiration letters and chose targets herself. Among that 300+ letters she sent out, one was replied.
Translators are compelled to, ladies are frustrated in, anyways, work is to be done, by all means.
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Wow, pure gold Proteus as usual.
I can understand why they do it given the tiny response rate but that doesnt mean I have to like it.
Can I ask about the flipside?
When we send "cupid notes", do the ladies really respond initially or is there an effort to "encourage" responses before she is involved?
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I am now also curious about the cupid notes...
Also I have the information from the agencies that sent me the form admiration letters. Eight letters in total.
Handan JuYuan Marriage Agency in Handan P329 (recieved three from this agency for three different women).
ChangSha MeiYin International Marriage Introduction Company in ChangSha P218.
Shenyang Golden Olive Consultancy Corporation Limited in Shenyang P612.
Zhanjiang ZhiYin Marriage Agency in Zhanjiang P658.
Baoding Match Bridge Match-making Agency in Handan P328.
LioNing YangGuang Overseas Affairs Service Company in Shenyang P326.
Hope this information is useful.
Proteus your reply was extremely useful and informative. Thank you!:icon_cheesygrin:
Big Dave
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Some of my cupid notes took a lot longer to get answered than others. Also some of the ladies turned me down. From this I assume the lady does respond to them herself. It will vary agency to agency of course.
Does anyone know how many men are using chnlove? That reply rate to admirer letters seems quite low. I replied to quite a few of mine (although a lot of them were ladies I'd already added to my favourites). But I guess a lot of men have just signed up to see what kind of ladies are available, so a large proportion of the men are probably not that committed (especially once they realise the vast expense and cultural barriers involved).
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Brett
I dont know exactly how many Men are registered with CHNLove, but I have done some analytical work for a very large Aus/Russian dating site, maybe the numbers are similar:
Men who actually registered.....18470
Of these, only 1124 purchased "credits" and pursued a relationship
Maybe there is no correlation here, but I think the numbers suggest there are many "lookers"...but very few men actually get to the next step and give it a real try....as you rightly say in your post. I would think that this is typical of the "internet dating" experience.
Because all Internet Dating Agencies survive on our money :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin: it is not surprising that men who register get bombarded with "hook letters" to get them to actually spend some money !!
I would also suggest, that if a man registers and buys "credits" then he will get very few admiration or "hook" letters.....because they are already getting your money !!!!....so, if you buy credits, maybe the chances are much better that a real woman is writing to you.
I would therefore suggest to "newbies" that the more safe way to begin the "journey" is to buy a few credits immediately....sorts the players from the stayers and may get a more realistic response rate from more real women :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
After all, if a man is serious about finding a foreign wife (most aren't) then buying a few credits demonstrates some sort of credibility to the women out there ...yes ?
DavidE
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I never replied to any admirer's letters and I think I was signed up for a couple of weeks before buying any credits.
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When I first joined I waited about a week and really looked at the ladies as "Eye Candy" and checked some profiles, then I bought just the minimum of credits and sent out a couple of cupid notes to see what the reaction would be, and things just started to go from there and now I am glad I took the risk
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I dunno about the credits theory, I get bombarded with spam the minute my profile goes unhidden and I am no wall painting :D
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The total amount of male members would amount to 300 to 400 thousand but about active rate I have no idea. This result come from our search engine. As we select men to send admiration letters to, we search for proper ones according to the standard ladies set (sometimes you can see their standard in profiles). I have once set the time of regisration from foundation of chnlove till the time I made the search and age from 18 to 99, and got that result. It varied slightly every time. I think chnlove never deletes a man's profile except in few examples such as David's so the total figure is so huge. But I think only chnlove headquater knows how much active members there are.
About DavidE's advice, chnlove would be very happy if whoever joins buy credits immediately but it doesn't help to eliminate scam admiration letters. Who send these letters are translators of agencies and they have no way to know if the target man has credits on his account. So I think Brett is right to say the huge number of inactive members is one reason for the extremely low responding rate. The other I think is the fierce competition among agencies.
Well, to be honest, with my limited experience of a single agency, I find that admiration letters are not very differently treated from cupid notes. I present that example of one lady who was frustrated in preparing admiration letters herself not to win your sympathy but to prove a word "inevitable". As I have said before, when ladies join this site through agencies, they usually pay a huge amount of overall fee unlike your clear investment in EMFs. Yet chnlove has a strict rule that agencies can charge nerve a penny from them for receiving, sending, and translating EMFs. So where do their fees come for? If an agency charges them such a huge fee and still ask them to write every admiration letter to every man they have interest in and decide whether to respond every cupid note yet give them no gurantee of positive response from men, will they still be willing to pay that fee? Sometimes ladies happily accept the service of "picking" the right one for them because they can enjoy the "fruit" without the hardship of plowing and weeding.
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Nice to meet you Proteus, I've read many of your posts and appreciate your input tremendously! I think I should replace "still herding" by "plowing and weeding" in my profile, your vocabulary is excellent! Are you sure you're Chinese? ^_^ Keep it coming, your contributions are really precious, thank you sincerely for them.
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Proteus...welcome back old friend. You have provided some good insight into the cupid notes and admiration letters. please keep up with your work here. Fantastic information.
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Hello Proteus, I'm new to the Brotherhood and I really value the information you are providing for us. I wonder if you could address a discrepancy I discovered earlier today? I'm a registered Chnlove member who is writing to a lady on that site and I was checking my Chnlove sent and received EMF folder today and discovered that a credit had been taken/deleted that I knew nothing about. The only reason I could possiby think of was that I had moved my last received EMF from my lady in to my email inbox. However, I have checked the Chnlove site procedures and can find nothing that says Chnlove (or the particular agency) can or do do this. In your experience, is this standard practice by Chnlove or the agencies? If it is, it's being done in a very covert manner and, replcated across a wide number of members would represent a sizeable (and possibly fraudulent) income for Chnlove (or the agency concerned). On another note, I stringly suspect that I am , in the main, corresponding with a translator/translators; what is the best way of going about putting a stop to this - without upsetting or causing problems for my lady - so that my EMF's are received and sent "as if" as guarantedd by Chnlove in their EMF procedures? I would be grateful for any advice you could give.
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John, you get deleted one credit for sending an emf and one if she replies to it, do you mean that you got charged more credits than that?
I agree its a bit steep but that's the system.
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John,
This happened to me from time to time in the beginning. I let chnlove know about it and they refunded the credits.
Shaun
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Yes, Irishman, I understand that is the procedure and that you are deleted 1 credit for each EMF you send and 1 credit for each reply you receive. It is a bit steep but I'm ok with that and I accept it. What I was asking Proteus about is something altogether different: I appear to have been deleted 1 credit for simply moving a received EMF from my Chnlove EMF Received Mail folder to my hotmail inbox. There is no other way that 1 credit could have been deleted. If this is the case, and I strongly suspect it is, it's not steep - it's SNEAKY and certainly not, as far as I can see, within Chnlove's EMF transaction procedures, unless it's been very carefully hidden!
I also have another question for Proteus in that, I have discovered that the 6000 characters Chnlove allows you for an EMF also incudes the spaces in your letter so, on average, when using my full character allowance I get, say, 4500 characters and not the 6000 Chnlove unequivocally states you are allowed. Again, very sneaky? I have had a couple of exchanges with Chnlove Customer Services about this and so far they have given me the 'smoke and mirrors' treatment and their ambiguous avoidance of my simple, direct question is an art form in itself. Nevertheless, I shall persevere.
Nice talking to you!
John,
This happened to me from time to time in the beginning. I let chnlove know about it and they refunded the credits.
Shaun
Hi Shaun,
Sorry, I missed your post before I replied to Irishman but thanks for that and I'll be on to Chnlove later today. It's not the 1 credit; it's the principle of it. Hey, that could be a good signature........
Nice to meet you here.
John
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John, moving the EMF to your email is the same as reading (receiving) it. So that's the reason for the 1 credit.
6000 characters includes spacers in the letter. Even though your not having a letter in there it counts as a space. This is common in computer and any typing. If you ever had a typing speed test they count the spaces as well. (50 wpm) Any place you write words has a limit and spacing is counted.
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John, moving the EMF to your email is the same as reading (receiving) it. So that's the reason for the 1 credit.
6000 characters includes spacers in the letter. Even though your not having a letter in there it counts as a space. This is common in computer and any typing. If you ever had a typing speed test they count the spaces as well. (50 wpm) Any place you write words has a limit and spacing is counted.
How does that work out Vince? I had already received the EMF - and read it - and paid for it! Having done that, surely it was my property and I was free to move it to my email inbox? 6 USD simply to move a letter..Wow! Chnlove are better than I thought :@
Thanks for explaining about the spaces, I didn't know about the typing speed test as I've never had one (and if I did I would fail - miserably hahaha) but surely that is a different point. My point is that Chnlove state unequivocally that you are allowed 6000 characters for each EMF. They do not say that this includes spaces. Moreover, the validity of that point would seem to be substantiated by Chnlove's reply when I challenged them on it; they were like: Doh? Yes, er no, er we will get back to the esteemed customer. Not; yes it does, or no it doesn't and either way we ought to state it or make it clear. Anyway, 6000 (effectively 4500) characters is way too short and I think we should be pressing Chnlove on that. Perhaps Chnlove should allow us to have the characters our lady's don't use in their EMF's, I would be ok then, my lady only uses about 50....................only joking! hahaha
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Vince, John Boy,
Again it happened a couple of times early on and chnlove gave me back the credits. It didn't do it every time. I think it is a flaw in their programming. Finally I just started using copy and paste in Word.
Goodnight Vince, Goodnight John Boy,
Shaun
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I move it to my gmx address and it doesn't cost me, but I also do as shaun does.
Welcome Johnboy
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Wow, you must write long letters. I've never gone over the limit. I have lots to tell my lady, but not that much :angel:.
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Thanks Shaun and Rob, copy and paste is a great idea, I'll do that next time. And thanks for the welcome Rob, I've read lots of your posts - very impressive!
Wow, you must write long letters. I've never gone over the limit. I have lots to tell my lady, but not that much :angel:.
Yea Brett, I get it all out of books - like Wuthering Heights and Gone with the Wind!:icon_biggrin:
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I have taken to clicking the printable page link and then print them out during the night shift in work so nobody see'em haha!
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Yea Brett, I get it all out of books - like Wuthering Heights and Gone with the Wind!:icon_biggrin:
Wow, perhaps I should write my lady some poetry. A lot of things I've written I have stolen from the Chobits anime - it's one of the most inspiring things I've ever watched and I fell in love with Rie Tanaka's songs on the opening and closing credits. In fact it's partly why I decided to find my Asian lovely in the first place :blush:.
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Thank you Johnboy...Just Read, Read, and Read again...Everything will be fine then mate...:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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I had already received the EMF - and read it - and paid for it! Having done that, surely it was my property and I was free to move it to my email inbox? 6 USD simply to move a letter.
If you read it (1 credit) and then moved it? there shouldn't be a charge (another credit) on that. I thought you meant it came in and you moved it? Ahhhhh Never mind!
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Hi Johnboy,
I never had the chance to visit chnlove headquater so I have no idea of how their credit system runs. Shuan made better advice than I can offer. As far as I know, chnlove will never itself do any sneaky things in such a clumsy way. It's probably a flow or accident. We agencies suffered from their technical breakdown from time to time too.
As to the 6000 limit, it's a little tricky but you can't call it a lie. From the point view of a man, I just wonder with the update of internet and hard-drive technique, couldn't the limit be updated simultaneously? From the point of view of a former chnlove translator, what? 8000 this year? 10000 next year? ... Kill me!