China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: Nick L on April 28, 2009, 09:57:26 am
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That's interesting. I recently had a web cam chat with my lady. Her microphone did not work so she was unable to chat. We typed everything to each other with the translator there to help. I don't know if the microphone was just broken or not. If not, I just assumed she was a bit shy, especially about her English. Oh well, I don't mind paying for EMFs, as long as she is the one writing to me. :D
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As the ladies are directed by and large by the agencies within China and Chnlove is merely a conduit through which all emf's go both to the various agencies and from the agencies to guys throughout the world , most agencies not only embellish the email wording but discuss with the women that emf is the way to go , those who are lucky enough to have received a direct contact point mostly will find that there is a lot lost in translation more often than not .
After a number of emf mails both ways there is nothing wrong in asking for direct contact or applying via her posting for her contact address and sending her a card with your details within , this opens many a heart .
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Did you ever think that maybe the ladies confidence in her english skills were not that good at first? Maybe she had the skill but lacked confidence to speak at first, and as she became more confortable she opened up more? Listen to Vince... sure there might be some scams, but we all have good friends here who are now engaged or married to wonderful Chinese ladies that they met via Chnlove. That is a fact we all know here for sure!
I know this because recently, I have been lucky and have just started a wonderful correspondence with a very wonderful lady. We clicked immediately and I got lucky because she is a teacher of English at the University level. We dropped the EMF letters and switched to private email right after our first letter exchange. She has sent me real non photoshopped pictures. We sometimes write short notes via email three or four times a day while we are each waiting or working on a longer response letter. So I know this lady is real. Our letters now are so long they are like two weeks of letters with the first two women I wrote too. I cannot believe how lucky I am. Already she has told me that she is only writing to me, and she asked her agency to hide her profile. I did the search and she really did have her profile hidden just like she said and just like I did. So we are exclusive to each other and only wish to get to know one another better with each new letter. Soon we will try phone calls and maybe the webcam.
We both know what we are working toward, hopefully marriage and forming a family together. You can make this work!
So Vince I need to be updated on the ladies profile list as pre-engaged! :D Hehehe...
Geordie if this can happen to me it can happen to you. Third time was the charm! I think you creating a fake profile and getting a response letter doesn't really mean anything... it was probably written by her agency. I now know that at least the first week or two most of my letters contents were written by the ladies agency. I could totally tell when the translator stopped writing and the lady herself took up most of the letter construction. Most the of the agency stuff was the fake love and romance crap that would be impossible that quickly because you still don't know each other. The translator and the agency do that to move the relationship along, not to scam you. I don't like that part, but I understand it because most of the ladies really do have a hard time with English, or they doubt their skill level with English, or they are a little shy.
Don't give up hope... and just be sensible and not overly paranoid, and keep your eyes open and your wits about you.
Big Dave
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Big Dave ... Congrats on your progress with your lady !!! :)
You're starting to sound like a ChnLove veteran. 8-)
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Thanks Chong! I have learned a lot from you more experienced members! And I am enjoying making friends here too! :D
So my plan is to keep learning and pass the love and knowledge along when I can! ;)
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Georgie you have to sift through the coal to find the diamond...
You are going to have to put some effort into this if you want it to work. Your future wife isn't going to just fall into your lap.
And at some point you have to have some faith that there are real Chinese woman at Chnlove that really want to find a good husband!
Big Dave
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Nick, Why isn't it possible that the mic didn't work? No reason why they would fake it? They were there and typed out what they wanted to talk about? The mic would have been easier for them (translator). My lady had told me that the translators webcam is broken but will be fixed by the time we're ready to webcam.
What bothers me is all these conspiracy theories. It boarders on sycophantic?
I don't think they were faking it. I was just mentioning that if they were faking the microphone being broken, there is probably a good reason. The web cam worked. I saw her. I even saw her speak to the translator then I received her response. If she felt a little nervous about her English I would understand. They did attempt a few times to get the microphone to work, and I did see her trying to use it. I was just happy to have a live chat with her. It was a great deal for me too. A two hour long live chat for free, with the agency's help. She chatted the same way and about the same things as we have discussed in letters. A conspiracy is a more complicated explanation that it being her writing to me. I have no doubts now.
I do think the agency wants to enjoy a monopoly with our communications by not letting or discouraging live communication. I do not care as long as I know I am speaking to her each time. I feel confident of this now so I am happy with the arrangement. A few hundred dollars on EMFs is a good deal if it works out. I will be planning a trip to China soon, hopefully. We are both excited about it. :D
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Geordie wrote : But I guess most guys here don't really care.
No, we do care !!! That's why we have this forum to help each other. Hey Brother, most of us have being scam just like you. You just have to apply all the lessons to avoid the scammers.
If there was a solution to avoid the initial agency doctored EMFs, no one has it yet. If the agency provided you with a real picture early on, will you think the lady's part of the scam ?
Geordie ...If you owned an agency, how would you assure the male members that your lady's legit ??????
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As with essentially any business model, there will always be flaws. Usually, as is the case here, the flaws are human in nature - we have free will. Geordie, I wish I could tell you why your lady behaved the way she did, but only one person knows why, and it's her. If she won't answer questions about it, then nobody will know.
I think that I can see where you are coming from in saying the ladies get a kick back from EMFs, but I am confident the ladies I write to are not. On top of that, there are several instances of ladies being required to pay fees for meeting people in person, marrying, moving to direct contact, etc. Would the agency give kickbacks to ladies, and then make the ladies pay them large sums of money to use the service? It doesn't make full logical sense to me, so I'm trying to understand the hows and whys like Vince. I have a very logical frame of thought, so things need to line up for me a bit.
Another theory (even though it's far-fetched) sheds a more positive light on the lady. What if, during her broken-english phase, she was being monitored by the agency? What if they would only "allow" direct communication on a limited basis for her until she paid them a fee? Perhaps there was a different fee amoutn based on poor english ability vs. good english ability, as a "poor" amount of english knowledge would almost be insurance that the lady would require more EMF services? I don't know the lady you were speaking to, you would know her better than any of us, and she would be the only one to truly know why she behaved in that manner. You may also wish to check the brotherhood thread to see if she was talking to anyone else.
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Geordie , don't even bother to post anymore here , your day's are numbered here and they reached " 0 " , so do us the favor and get the Hell lost . Your not welcome here and so are any other's like you .
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Absolutely beautiful Vince, but I'm certain that you already know that LoL
geordie - would you mind posting the last four #s of that lady's profile, along with the agency initial, here in this thread?
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=104
I'd like to give a heads up to all the brothaz, even myself if needed
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EMFs are their ENTIRE REVENUE STREAM. Jesus man open your eyes.
No they are not... The main revenue stream is what the agency charges the woman. It is a substantial fee. Some charge the woman when
she joins and some charge the woman when she is successful in finding someone. I was just told this by my lady right from her own letter. The
ladies are not allowed to join Chnlove directly. They are in Hong Kong. They must join an affiliated and approved matrimony agency from mainland China. My lady said she looked at many many agencies and all charge the lady a substantial fee. She decided to go with one that charged less up front but then charged a success fee when she finally met someone who she wished to enter private correspondence with. Some charge a fee when the lady gets engaged or married. Some charge the whole fee upfront. So I agree with whatever was said by someone previously that it makes no sense to say charge a 20,000 rmb fee upfront and then give them what a 1 rmb amount back if they get an EMF letter? That would make absolutely no sense what so ever.
Big Dave
Your Song is very beautiful Vince! :D I am happy for you!
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WOW Vince your lady is absolutly stunning, congrats,
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Geordie ... then maybe a website like www.chineselovelinks.com is more to your liking. You pay a monthly fee and all the emails are free and you have direct correspondance with the ladies. Mind you, the ladies can search the men profiles also. Half the men profiles are foreigners and the other half are Chinese locals.
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I have to say any new guy reading all this will run to the hills just seems of late doom and gloom,i know chin love has its moments but they all cant be bad i mean look we got 2 guys married in just a short time.
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Well there goes another one i just seen the same words about internet cafes too smokie and full of men,no computer at home and her english is bad ummm oh oh brain waves working overtime here oh yes no new pictures i think good bye but the optimist i am try one more and thats it if i get same thing again gone
I really do appr4eciate this place thank you guys all of you
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Guys, if you are uncomfortable with the EMF and agency service, look over at cherryblossoms.com, or something similar; search for the women in you girl's city and her age, and see if her profile is listed there, as well. If it is, make contact there and you can at least circumvent the website enough to get the real lowdown on her private info, chat, do webcams, etc... Many ladies have profiles listed on multiple websites. Use your imagination and find a solution. It beats moaning.
In fact, if you have not yet selected a woman, choose one that's on both chnlove and another website and have a laugh together comparing the letters from the agency with the actual letters that you can exchange free on a free website like that. Should be funny stuff. Then let the brothas know what you find out.
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I'm a believer in ... "you get what you pay for". Before I found my current ChnLove lady, I tried those "free" email & monthly subscription Asian websites ... it didn't work !!! For example, I tried to contact a lady who had a profile on both ChnLove and Chineselovelinks. When I email her on the latter, I got no response. One month later, I contacted her through ChnLove ( her agency was Guangzhou Daniel ... a good agency ), I got a response. She was decent enough to write in the first EMF that she didn't want to move away from China and that Canada was too cold for her as she lived in Toronto once before. How's that for honesty.
But going back to my experience with those sites, I sent out approximately 15 "interest" emails ... no responses. Whereas on ChnLove, you'll get instant replies. Rehashing what others have wrote, there are honest ladies & agencies ... you just have to separate them from the scammers and be able to differentiate between the two kind.
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I agree with you, Chong. But if guys are bellyaching about conspiracy theories, I thought I'd point to an alternative. I know the EMF system has it's good and bad points. But I believe that, overall, it works well for me. Might take some sifting, but there is ample evidence right among the married or engaged brothas here that it works, if one is patient and determined.
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Double M / Froggie ... I agree with what you agree with what I agree the first time, hehehe !!! 8-)
Actually, I also suggested chineselovelinks to Geordie as an alternative dating site ( in an earlier post above ). All dating sites have their own pros & cons. Conspiracies aside, if you don't participate, you lose out on the possible chance to find a lady.
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I just wonder, how many of the agencies drag the women on in the same manor? Maybe for further fees and so forth where they are actually just speaking to a translator as well? I would be curious as to see if this is practiced as well. I think we are all on the recieving end of a crooked scheme.
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My theory is that the ladies get a kickback for all the emfs that are sent by the agency in their name. This ensures their cooperation if ChnLove comes calling on behalf of a certain guy, wondering if everythign is on the up and up. If the ladies say it is, how can anybody prove differently? The scam is impenetrable.
Can't say I agree with this and here's why. My lady, now my wife as of the 15th, seems to dislike misunderstandings so much that she insisted on translated emails. She did make a deal with one of the translators at the agency so it cost much less. in fact cost me nothing since she decided to pay for it herself but in this case, there was no deception but rather an importance to her that misunderstanding wasn't going to be a problem. Her english is poor at best and work has kept her very busy lately so has missed many of her english classes. You'd think this would be a problem but with a pocket translator and much hand gestures and body language we actually have the most fun. She seems to understand far more than she can speak but sometimes it seems as she picks up on the tone and can sense it.
Other than paying the agency the enormous fees for this service, she's had almost nothing to do with them and when I inquired to go visit the agency, she suggested we don't. I think she just views them as blood suckers.... it's a business after all but she feels no loyalty for them.
Although I'm sure it's possible there could develop a scam in all this, in my case there wasn't. It was just her avoiding at all costs any misunderstanding.
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My lady gives me excuses to avoid direct contact. She tells me her English is bad (listed as fair on her profile now) and she has no access to the internet. The last one she no longer tells me. She has admitted that she has access to the internet, has an e-mail address and uses QQ often. Now she only tells me her English is bad. We both know that we could just use translation software to get around that. Sure it might be tough to understand at times, but we can figure that out.
The reason I believe she tells me all this is due to the agency's regulations. I believe she is not allowed to contact me directly until she is paid in full. This is not really her fault. We have no choice but to follow the regulations unless I could somehow track her down.
Haha, it would be nice if they gave her kickbacks for writing to me, then she can pay off her membership and start talking to me directly.
The point is, the fake difficulty with English may be due to an agency with similar rules. That may be why the lady pretended to have trouble with English for a while, then she decided that she was sick of pretending
I'm not sure if that is true in all situations, but I bet it is true in some.
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is there just a posibilty that the EMF emails are paying for the ladies profile for being put up there and that the email takes a little bit off each time i know this sounds what might be going on but is it possible this is why most do not want to go away until agency is paid or close enough to be paid never mind lady's getting kick back,maybe the kickback is agency being paid and they get nothing which is another form of ripoff just an idea
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I notice that every time I even vaguely mention direct contact with my lady, she explains to me that we should keep using the EMFs. I mentioned to her in my last letter that I loved chatting with her using the web cam this past weekend. I mentioned that I would like to do that again down the road before I head out to visit. Her response was that she does not know enough English now and she says it is better to communicate with the EMFs. I mention doing something non-EMF at some unknown point in the future then I get the whole "I don't know enough English speech" each time. I believe she simply has to use the EMFs until she is paid in full. I don't mind doing the EMFs. I just want to mention that she is very strongly resistant to any other means of communicating. :o
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Ok, enough is enough, this is getting out of hand, Geordie banned, please don't come back.
This whole topic is going in circles, fact of the matter is that all the mods here are living proof the all the ladies are most definitely NOT in a scam, that's just absurd.
This whole topic does nothing but worry people unnecessarily.
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Yeah, I've added him to my Foe list. I won't be reading any more of his messages.
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Really personal attacks now geordie? I dont think anyone has rationalized anything with being scammed, what we rationalize is the realization that a majority of the girls are real people. And there are some girls profiles, typically the most attractive, the agencies utilize thier profiles to fish for money. So if it looks like a fish, smells like a fish it must be rabbit. What we do to counter is post the agency ID and the lady ID to make others aware that this girl and agency is rotton, if it is the girls agency writing you, you must be aware that they have scammed people before.
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Had 7 years of spanish in school myself, lets see Hola! Taco, Burrito, Queso. Polio, .... 12 years later its about all I can remember since I have not used it. What foreign language study did you have in high school? college? How much can you remember after say five, ten, twenty years of not using it? After eight years i can barely remember any of the Japanese I studdied for 6 semesters in college. After college I used it almost every day in a japanese company. Simply said you dont use a language skill you loose it.
My girl is far from old, and far from unattractive, but then again I didnt go looking for fish lady in a thong either. Then again I had the sense enough to research this place before I started spending my money, and getting all pissed off because I got myself ripped off. I'll tell you what, I speak to my girl every night, every morning, on QQ on the phone, web chats when she can go to an internet cafe, a real lady will want more personable contact, yes we still use EMF's but i verbally abused my translators from the beginning, no fluff, no bs, just her words, if she is not chatty dont fluffy it up. I pay for your service to translate her words.
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oouch
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I listen to my 13 year old on xbox live get upset when people trash talk him. I just don't understand it happening here. It doesn't matter who starts what - it matters what we respond to. Responding in anger just spawns more.
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And I am not Kumar
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Hum.... I just reread all the posts under this topic a second time. Talk about melancholy. If I had come to this site before ever trying my fortunes on Chnlove I might have given up in dispair. But fortune smiled on me and I found a new love. Heck even now, once married I still have doubters feeding me horror stories of brides who came to Canada then quickly left their new husbands: one from India in an arranged marriage and an other from Turkey.
I went back and checked the emails from the two main combatants here and I do not wish to slam anyone but sorry geordie -I could not find one positive posting here by you. Have you had such a string of bad luck that misfortune follows you? Please do not take offense but if you do, heck call me anything you wish. I don't mind being called a butter knife, dulling as that insult would be. You can tell me to stick it up my donkey if you so wish, asinine as that insult is. All I can say is that there are scammers every where but the percentage would be small otherwise the light of day finds them to quickly.
So if you have been victimized by the agency - please accept my appology, but if you heart is dark - then the shadow knows.
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Geordie you are missing the entire point...
WE HAVE MEMBERS HERE WHO NOW HAVE WIVES THAT THEY MET VIA CHINALOVE!!! That is the bottom line here.
You can complain about scams all you want but if you follow the advice here you can find a good woman. It is your choice,
to have a positive attitude and find a good woman, or continue to bitch about scams and be alone. If you continue to be
confrontational you are not going to make friends here. This forum is for people who wish to find a Chinese woman to marry.
Most members become aware of the scams and work around them to get to the desired goal... finding a good woman to marry! :idea:
Big Dave
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EMFs are their ENTIRE REVENUE STREAM. Jesus man open your eyes.
Incorrect on this one geordie? My wifes mother paid her fees of 10,000 rmb to sign up and 50,000 to complete the contract to marry. I only had to get my butt on a plane and come here and take her hand. Turns our she's thousands of times more lovely than I thought before I arrived but not just on the outside. Herself, she's dirt poor, but is richer in character than any woman I've ever met.
If I had to comment about this I'd say it's the ladies who really get the raw end of the deal since the agencies rape em for unreasonable ammounts of money and only offer them a chance to find a nice man to spend a life with. For that kind of money I'd want some freakin guarentee if it were me.
Just my two cents but I'd suggest giving it a chance and when something appears really out of the ordinary, don't automatically suspect some devious agency plot but rather the circus rings between you and the lady can cause confusion. I know I've been totally confused at times and turns out she misunderstood my question or statement. It happens.... give it a chance.
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Geordie, insulting members or their wives just isn't on.
For someone that probably has never even visited China you have some very strong opinions where you really dont have the facts right, such as the average level of English there.
Please don't post again if you all you have to offer is insults and innuendo.
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It took me half an hour to find this bunch of posts from a couple of sites:
I should tell you and the others - Some ONE ? has started another group on Facebook and the creator is listed as "Harold". JUST want to say - it's NOT me.
Just want you to know that someone ELSE is obviously wanting you to go there. So you are hereby WARNED. I don't know what their motivation is.
I would *NOT* trust the Facebook Forum. At all. Just the fact that they MODERATE what appears to be another soft-sell advertising forum is one thing, and by guys who are (or claim to be) unfolding "success stories" is another thing.
On the Facebook Forum, they seem to make no bones that they have a close association with Chnlove,in fact claim to be an adjunct to the rather lame and very restrictive Chnlove Board (negative posts are censored) that already appears on its website to help promote its business.
Hiding in the crowd or pretending things are 'okay' on the "Chnlove Forum" and Facebook aint the way to do it.
It is my experience and observation that chnlove trolls come out after successive, damning testimonies from users who have been defrauded of monies from this Scam company. It uses deceit and misrepresentation to serve itself. Yes, they have NO success unless you count widowed seniors and middle-aged divorcees. Let s put them behind bars after reporting them to authorities. Several women, indeed.
Some ladies are real, but they are few and the guys who says it is legitimate are either really blind or in mass copy with chnlove like guys such as Arnold, maxx etc. and some of the americans have really crappy English makes me wondering who are behind those forum profiles. BIG BS!
Everyone has there own experiences of the official site,but there is enough information out there from reputable people who have been kind enough to shared there experiences ,to work it out for ourselves.I for one would not have got this far without there help and advice. This paranoia seems to be getting out of hand. It seems I'm a "Troll" in the pay of the dark forces of Chnlove! We are all learning here, or should be! All our welcome, but we don't need to go down the above road to reach our goal.
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I think it okay to bring it here ... as a "mention" ... as long as we don't dwell on it. We know the "truth" as to what we're doing. There are many guys and sites that dwell on their negative opinions ... and there's nothing you can say that'll change their mind. We're not here to convert people's minds. That's fine because we know who our friends are and who we can't trust. The bottom line is ... you look after yourself and your true friends.
Geordie ... if you have had bad expereinces ... you're not alone. Just turn a negative into a positive. Join other sites that offer free email. We have mentioned a few suggestions.
Even those guys on Pfishy.com have admitted that ChnLove have worked for some. It's just that they're totally negative because they had bad experiences. And then they make up conspiracy theories like the "FaceBook Forum" is a ChnLove promotional site. The bottom line is ... it makes them look stupid. Any smart adult will see the truth. The dumb ones will follow the dumb leaders. Let them believe what they want to believe. It's how they feel important. It's their 15 minute of fame where in their normal life, there's none.
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I have been lurking here for a while and as yet, I have not found a suitable lady on chinalove although I have been on chinalove for several months. After seeing this thread, I did some searching and whilst it appears that some of the agencies involved in chinalove are fuzzy on their business ethics, overall the site seems to hold up ok.
Interestingly, chineselovelinks also came up in my research and the following site http://www.onetocherish.com seems to agree with the common view here that chinalove is very good but it also comments that chineselovelinks is full of scammers. I also noted that the pictures on that site are some of the same that I have received in admiration letters. Quite a coincidence.
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Scam or no scam, fact is, I met my wife through them...and I can totally assure everyone here that she is real. She is not a gold digger...in fact, she is very tight with money. We can debate this until the cows come home...cept i don't actually have any cows to come home.
Fact is, Arnold, Maxx, Rhonald, Ed, and I know there are others, have all met their wives through Chnlove. I have as well. I guess I don't really see the point of continuing this debate. We know there are some bad apples out there...both women and agencies...but there are also some great ones...women and agencies. At the same time, there are some pretty shady men out there too. Should we start debating the merits of these guys as well?
Ed said it right...If I had to comment about this I'd say it's the ladies who really get the raw end of the deal since the agencies rape em for unreasonable ammounts of money and only offer them a chance to find a nice man to spend a life with.
Just my 2 yuan worth.
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Well I for one am leaving this evening to go to meet my girl in Chengdu. I leave in 12 hours. If she isn't real then I guess I will have a good time sightseeing.LMAO Will keep everyone updated on my adventure when I get the blog set up in the next few days. I know my girl is real!!!
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Have a great trip David!
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how about a new thread translators that screw up your mails
may have just cost me some one
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I hope you have a great trip too David! I will look forward to your blog.
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I'm certainly glad I was not here this weekend, I would have given a piece of my mind to the ludicrous posts I just read through (not you regulars, you guys have it spot on). Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion, but personal attacks are really unnecessary. I won't even go into it here. Anyway, I'm pleased with chnlove, as much as one could be. I know that every lady I am talking to is real, and I've been slowly narrowing it down, taking my time along with the ladies. Not real? Not pretty? pishtosh. These ladies are so beautiful it hurts, their hearts are so sweet and sincere it gives me hope for the world. I like that this thread has turned around to something more positive. Have a great trip, David - best of luck to you! I would love to hear updates as you go along ^_^
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Oops, forgot to mention a couple of things:
Most of the people I know directly that have taken languages in school have forgotten almost all of it, with the exception of basic necessities like "hello" "good bye" etc. I have a natural affinity for languages, so I have retained quite a bit of my spanish fluency, and have a broken understanding of portuguese, french, japanese, and now mandarin. However, this is not normally the case. For the most part, language knowledge (like many other specific areas) is a use-it-or-lose-it skill. Aside from that, how many Americans spend 12 years in English and grammar classes, but can't speak or write worth a darn? English is a very disjointed language. Just because a class is mandatory in grade school or college does not mean the student will retain those abilities through the years unless they have been used consistently. How much would you wager you would fare on a test in Algebra? Geometry? Trigonometry? English? Biology? Physics? Things that we don't use every day, we tend to lose sight of.
On top of that, I'm not old, so I guess I don't fit the stereotype. I simply know what I want, and I have the means to get it.
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Vince G you said you can find anyone's email off asian friend finder if so please let me know i just found my one form chnlove but would not want to put here for someone wrong might see it
bruemac@gmail.com
oh thank you thank you rush
i sound like a little kid now
hopefully away from somewhere
i didn't want someone from another group finding these and start chasing the girls for money
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no burst Vince i did get to send the email to her but from another site now just waiting to see if she get sit
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Geordie..I feel the need to address some of the things I have read.
You have said in another post that most other people on earth think this is a scam..
You guys do realize that nearly everybody on the planet OTHER than you thinks this stuff is a scam?
From talking to the owner of the agency I met my wife through, she told me Chnlove has approximately 25000 male members. This is not her agency..this is chnlove. She is attended 10 marriages in the month of April, with one of them being mine...and the next day, traveling north from Chenzou to Wuhan to attend another. 10 weddings in a month does not sound like a scam to me. Just because people are meeting in a very unconventional way, does not make this a scam site.
Before I payed for anything here, I wanted to know what I was paying for. I was paying for a translator to go over my letter, and translate it into Chinese character, or verbally translate it to my lady in Mandarin. This is a very specialized field. At first, i was not sure I liked the idea of a third party reading my letters. But I bit the bullet, and went with it. I am happy I did, because I have also made a new friend with my translator.
I have tried to use Google Translate, and Yahoo Babelfish. I still use these when I talk to my wife on MSN or QQ. And I also know that these translation tools mess up quite often. I do not mind now, because we have developed a relationship...but had I tried to use these in the beginning, we would never have gotten off the ground. So I personally needed the use of a translator. Look in the phone book, and try to find a translator for the same price as a chnlove translator.
I am getting tired of you running down everything we are doing here. If you don't want to be a part of chnlove, then go elsewhere. We know where to find the conspiracy theory sites, so if we have a change of heart about chnlove, we will happily join you over there. But until then, please let us live in our imaginary world of make believe, because some of us actually like it here, and still believe this is all real. Some of us are happily married, and are happy with the services that chnlove provides.
So I am asking you nicely, either post elsewhere, or start posting something more positive. We are a support group for male members of chnlove.com. If you really want to have a proper debate on this, email chnlove directly, and leave us be.
Thank you
Martin (AKA Mading...Mading Bear...Dinger))
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Yeah , what kind of name was Geordie anyway . He's the Coward ! At least I don't hide my name from anyone . What has he to find here anyway ?
Fake Forum , fake Women , fake Agencies ... fake fake fake , yes you are the fake here my friend .