China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: Martin on June 01, 2009, 02:05:53 pm
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In response to Chong's thread on which agencies to avoid, I would also like to put up a list of agencies that seem to be really good one's to work with. Feel free to add to this list.
Changsha MeiYin International Marriage P218
Shenzhen Oriental Love Consulting Co. Ltd. P508
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I can appreciate the thought yet you were one of the lucky ones. There are bad apples in all the agencies. Members like yourself were just more fortunate.
Shark
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Well I think have been more then lucky. I can not give the agency one bad mark. Nor the translator.
Shenyang Golden Olive Consultancy Corporation Limited ID: P612
And have not read anyone else having a problem with this agency.
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Baoding Times Matchmaking Services
Agency ID: P201 :D
In my experience they are good people who give a first class service. "Crystal" is a fine translator there, very open and helpful.
Nice Thread Martin!
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Chong's & Arnold's " Double Heart " Agency
Located on top of the Oriental Pearl Tower ( third Pearl )
Shanghai , PR China
Phone : 8888-1111
[ HAVE HEART AND FIND ANOTHER !!!
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Chong's & Arnold's " Double Heart " Agency
Located on top of the Oriental Pearl Tower ( third Pearl )
Shanghai , PR China
Phone : 8888-1111
[ HAVE HEART AND FIND ANOTHER !!!
Comes with a 30 day guarantee after marriage !!!
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Comes with a 30 day guarantee after marriage !!!
I only accept a life-time guarantee.
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Comes with a 30 day guarantee after marriage !!!
I only accept a life-time guarantee.
Your woman is not a screwdriver or rachet set :D
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Even the best screwdrivers now have a label "Made In China" :D
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True True ... Stupid Me !!! I shouldn't have mentioned "scewdriver" to a guy driving a tractor in his avatar. :(
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I'm with (Mike) Mpo4747 so far on this agency
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Hi guys,
this thread could turn out to be one of the most useful and important ones. While there are no guarantees in this world, my positive experience (and others) with the P218 agency assures me that it is worthy of my and your trust.
I am back on the horse, so to speak. I am writing to 2 ladies from the P218 agency and I know I can take things at the pace that suits me, with no need for undue suspicions regarding the agency. I am also writing to two other ladies from different agencies. As part of my second letter to these two ladies, I have included the Proteus method of discussing direct contact, (in response to their questions about what I was doing in Changsha), as follows:
"I was in Changsha to meet a lady I had been writing to on Chnlove for 3 months. At least I thought I was writing to her. It turns out I was writing to her translator and the lady did not know me. So I was quite heartbroken, as I am a very trusting and honest person. Luckily I met some really nice people, some of whom I am proud to call my sisters. Even though I did not find my love, I found the friendship of some amazing people.
Because of my experience, I have to be a little bit more cautious now. I have no reason to doubt that you are a genuine person. But I feel I have to ask you something. After an exchange of ten or so letters, would you be happy to send me some natural photos of yourself and to make direct contact with me, through QQ or webcam or personal email? I don’t know how your English is and my Chinese is not very good (I am learning though), but even if we exchanged a few words, it would make me happy. This is not to replace our letters, but to accompany them.
I understand if you don’t want to do that. But if you are happy to do this after we get to know each other a little better, I would prefer it. If you don’t want to do that, I would prefer if you told me as soon as possible and then regrettably, I would have to end our communication. I am sorry if I have offended you by saying this, but I just want to have an honest correspondence with you. As I said I am serious about finding a long-term relationship. If you do not wish this direct contact, I wish you all the luck in the world. I am sure that someone as beautiful and as lovely as you will have no trouble finding someone."
Now you may consider this a bit draconian to mention so early in our correspondence, but I am in no mood for messing, and if they are offended by my suggestion, then, que sera sera. Better to have two Mei Yin beauties in the hand than two potential scammers in the bush.
What do you guys think?
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Very good writing Alex..
As Martin wrote ( I think that he was thinking of me when he did) I say that P218 is a very good agency. I have meet Mr Tang twice and he is a very nice man. I have a lot of contact with our translator WenWen on QQ. She really tries to help us all the time.. I think that she is doing a very good job.. I have full confidence in this agency..
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Fair play Alex, i think if shes genuine she will appreciate your honesty and see that you are serious too and therefore good marriage material, or so i hope she would :D
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Well said Alex, best of luck my friend :D
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Great to see that people have good experiences with some agencies. Like the idea of the thread, need some positive stories around here.
Just one thought, with the danger of being called the party spoiler etc. Is the title a litle ambitious ? Thinking that "we" are kind of vouching for all the translater's working in these agencies.
It's is nothing i'd like to start a debate over, just be open minded and give it a though. (Just to be clear, i do not want to stop the thread, just a suggestion to think about a new name).
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Alex.. If the ladies are at P218 I guess that you will have a webcam quite soon.. I think I got my first after 1 month.. Our translator helped me with this..
Keep up the faith Brother
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Nice to have a positive thread with people talking about good agencies
I was just thinking about rating agencies and started thinking about ebay and how people rate their experience of dealing with a supplier / customer (excuse the terms used)
for example for those not familiar with ebay system .. a typical profile is...
blacksmithproducts ( 12727)
Positive Feedback (last 12 months): 99.9%
Recent Feedback Ratings (last 12 months)
1 month 6 months 12 months
Positive 1433 7270 10598
Neutral 5 11 17
Negative 2 7 8
I wonder if this would be constructive ???
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Constructive here? There isn't enough traffic on one agency to make a rating. Maybe a "Strikes against"
But that's taking it to another list and whether the strike is true or not or an opinion and it's a whole other problem. I don't see a reason to keep track.
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I need some opinions on the following.
I am talking with a lovely lady from the Zhongshan TianMimi Information and Consultation Co. Ltd. Agency ID: P788
This is my first time using any of these systems, but the girl I am talking to is quite nice.
How here is the thing. After 4 EMF's 2 other girls have send "Admirer" emails and they are from the same agency.
I have not received many admirer notes yet (I mean only 1 week on the site). But out of the 10 I did receive 2 are from this agency. I sent a CUPID note the the girl I am talking to from this agency.
This had me thinking that the agency is pushing me to other ladies from their agency.
Paranoid New Yorker in me thinks (maybe they are seeing if I am honorable and will only talk to 1 lady not multiple)
or 2... they are pushing their service
What do you think?
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Hellerjk , it does not matter , how many you receive at the beginning . It's total up to you to choose one that is to your best interest and then , hide your Profile . So no more are coming in to confuse you . Hiding your Profile , will let the Lady you want to write to , know that you are only interested in Her . Now if you are planning to write more then one , which is up to you of course , but make sure they are not from the same Agency , because they might know each other . Not good . Good Luck !
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I'd agree with Arnold, 2 from the same agency isn't a good idea at all. Chances are good they are friends or know each other. Like you say, it may be a test. They could be pushing their service too but I wouldn't take the chance.
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I totally agree with you there. I always look at the agency. I declined the admirer note nicely when I noticed the same agency. I really like the girl I just met so ne reason to mess that up. I was concerned that maybe this agency was not totally legit.
I followed other advice. For example after the 3rd EMF from the lady I like, I pointed out that her professional photos were wonderful, and would it be possible to see an everyday photo of her (like the one I sent.) The very next email was a simple photo from the girl in her home taken by herself (like cell phone or something). It was very obvious that it was taken by herself (given the angle). And sure enough, she was a lovely (if not prettier) unposed in this regular photo than the professional one. This gave me great comfort that she is genuine and sincere. The agency translation is a little mediocre, but the spirit of the communication has been really nice.
I was just a little surprised that the agency has 2 other girls contact me.
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hellerjk , you are one of the lucky ones here , believe me . For getting a everyday Photo of your Girl sooo soon into your writing . That shows something special in this Lady . But remember not to push all things to fast , until she is comfortable with it first . So far you have a great start , keep it going .
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All very sound advice. Thanks guys. I have made my profile Hidden, and am waiting for a response to my last EMF (sent yesterday). I hope to receive a response soon.
Do you kow if agencies are open on Sunday's to translate for the lady's? I noticed my last EMF (Saturday) was translated that same day (which surprised me).
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that's what i got. She was wonderful and i aksed for an everyday pic of her at work. it wasn't the studio pic but el natural...I couldnt have asked for more.
it sounds like you have been picked by a lady that resembles my now wife. Give her the trust and passion and leave the insecurities behind.
when i was dating my wife, she valued my honesty and forthrightness but also my ability to refrain from talking about issues that embarrased her since our translator reads all our letters.
if it goes really well and if she beings talking about marriage, dont fear it. You can avoid talking/responding about it for a while but if your like me, you will eventualy surccum to her desires. hehe.
Point is, don't fight her. she's likely a very passionate person with a heart larger than you can imagine and you may find yourself trying to learn the extent of it.
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Hellerjk your off to a good start. You're right the agencies will push more on you. I hid my profile soon after I started so I choose. Where in NY are you from?
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Thanks Vince.
I grew up in Long Island, went to undergrad & grad at NYU & now work in downtown Manhattan. I'm in the process of getting divorced (which I was upfront with the lady right away with). See was pleased about the honesty (letter 2...) I think the honested prompted the photo. I'm hoping in a few weeks (not to rush her) to request direct contact. We'll see. I told her I want to move slowly in terms of romance, but wanted to know about her (which takes time). She was also pleased. She was upfront with me & said her english is poor, but goes to school Sunday's to learn english better. Very impressive (which I told her).
I was not expecting things to click so quickly... but I suspect the translator is helping with this. We'll see. I like this kind of adventure.
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Nooooo where on the Island? I'm from Merrick (Nassau south shore)
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Bellmore!
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NO WAY! did you go to JFK? yr grad?
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This is a very sad thread. There are just two good agencies in the whole world??????? *laughs*
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My eyes must be getting blurry and worn out. Thanks for the summary. I don't know how I missed those.
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NO WAY! did you go to JFK? yr grad?
Ha ha... This is funny. I went to W.C. Mepham (although I did date a girl from JFK). I graduated 1986. How about you?
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I will add Guangzhou Daniel Agency, although my relationship with the person I was writing there didn't work out that was not their fault. The emfs were honest and true and I never felt that they were writing to me justy to keep the emf's coming. Also when i met te lady she knew everything that was in the emfs so they were correctly translating my messages to them.
I would without hesitation recommend them.
So to add to Mikes list above :-
Baoding Times Matchmaking Services Agency ID: P201
Changsha MeiYin International Marriage P218
Shenzhen Oriental Love Consulting Co. Ltd. P508
Shenyang Golden Olive Consultancy Corporation Limited ID: P612
Qingdao Meizhiyuan Single's club Agency ID: P656
Guangzhou Daniel International Marriage Agency , ID: P688
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Yes I'd second Guangzhou Daniel International Marriage Agency , ID: P688
Even though things aren't currently good with my lady, the agency isn't to blame. They provided decent fluff-free translations, and helped me out on a couple of occasions when things got difficult. They also allowed my lady to send me her address and were fine about us QQ'ing. Also the lady I went to see did actually exist, which is something you can't always assume with some agencies :icon_cheesygrin:.
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Well I must sat that this is a good record!!!!!
300 plus members and just 6 recommendations for good agencies and that is in one year!!!
Probably everyone else has dealt with the same type of translators as I have - those willing to pimp lady after lady while picking up fees from them for the intros and me for translator services.
If this list of recommendations goes beyond 10 before the New Year then I will give 100 rmb to the next beggar I meet.
Brett getting your lady's address is an obligation by the agancy not a favour.
Willy
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Well I think I will change my mind about Guangzhou Daniel International Marriage Agency, as they've let me down badly in my hour of need. Although I am not sure if chnlove got in the way and messed things up for me. All I'm certain of is that if Miss Wu and I ever get it together they'll not get much cash out of me.
If my experience of the last couple of days is anything to go by then I am pretty shocked as to what a shambolic organisation chnlove is. If they were operating in the UK they would be shut down by trading standards, that's for sure. But hell, we all know that, and we have to remember that if you can put up with the crap, there really are some very lovely ladies on the website.
P.S. Willy - I know agencies have to give you the lady's address, but they were kind enough to let me have it for free rather than have to pay chnlove for it.
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Why is Chnlove getting the blame? The two of you broke away from them and now because there is something going on with her you blame them?
Re-read what you posted.
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Vince - I don't blame chnlove for what has happened to me. But I spent money in sending an EMF to an agency via chnlove. I got no reply from the agency, and a strange email response from someone who may or may not be involved with chnlove. Hmm, I sent 30 EMFs to a girl they've never heard of? Somebody is playing me for a fool.
Also a professional company would send emails from a corporate account, or use their own customer support system, or at the very least have an email signature. Perhaps a translator was looking for business on the side, but it's unprofessional. I won't be emailing them anyway.
I'll still be using chnlove though because I know there are genuine ladies there, and that is the only thing that matters :icon_cheesygrin:.
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Well I must sat that this is a good record!!!!!
300 plus members and just 6 recommendations for good agencies and that is in one year!!!
Willy
I agree about that.
I wouldn't dislike them quite so much if they were just honest and open what they were doing. I just could never get the idea out of my head that the woman I was writing to and I were being played. I am sure there are some intermediaries/translators that do it well, with care and concern for both sides. But it's a matter of trust. And a whole lot of the stuff that happens isn't really conducive to the growth and establishment of trust.
Danny
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I spent money in sending an EMF to an agency via chnlove. I got no reply from the agency, and a strange email response from someone who may or may not be involved with chnlove.
Also a professional company would send emails from a corporate account, or use their own customer support system, or at the very least have an email signature.
Your running yourself in circles looking for an answer.
You did not contact Chnlove about this lady so they wouldn't respond with an email. You sent an EMF to the agency? The only one to reply would be a translator. What some have done in the past is contact Chnlove and have them find what happen to the girl? They will send any info they find out back to you. Don't forget the lady signed with the agency. We men use Chnlove.
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Yes I am mindful that I didn't sign up with an agency, my lady did. But my response from chnlove or the agency (I don't know which) was really bizzare. I am disappointed that my lady's agency didn't help me out more. Perhaps they had their reasons. But until I get the full facts it's not worth speculating further.
At the end of the day, chnlove is just a shop window really. I don't hold a grudge against them, and if I have to choose a new lady then I will happily use their services again.
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Brett, on the other hand: if we keep using Chnlove despite being let down, scammed and made into fools, there is certainly no incentive for them to change one bit, is there? If I fail in my present relationship, I don't think I would like to use Chnlove ever again. The risks are huge, the prices are high and the stories of men being completely ripped off are terrifying. :@
However, there seem to be decent agencies out there.
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Yes I guess we all have a love/hate relationship with chnlove. Willy's method of finding ladies seems to be the best one. Maybe I'll get Scottish Rob to find me a lady in the street when he next visits. At least I would know then that they actually exist :icon_cheesygrin:.
On the other hand, being able to search the chnlove profiles is the way I like to operate. I have a very good idea of the kind of lady I am looking for, and browsing the profiles is a lot of fun.
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I agree. And there are so many ladies to choose from! However, like you say, we don't even know if they exist in reality. The photos are almost always photoshopped to death and it is hard to know what the agencies' part of the communication is. It's a bumpy ride indeed.
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So you are saying that no one have complained to Chnlove about the Changsha Love Bridge Company, for instance? I think Chnlove have received quite a lot of complaints about different agencies but they are not that interested. They send a polite answer, like the one I got, saying you are the most important customer in the world and if you really are lucky you get a few credits back too. Then the BS agencies can continue with their work, fooling new men. I think the official forum on the Chnlove site says it all: how many of us have posted things there (criticism of all kinds) and then finding out it was never let through the Chnlove censorship? Thank God for this forum!
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Brett, on the other hand: if we keep using Chnlove despite being let down, scammed and made into fools, there is certainly no incentive for them to change one bit, is there? If I fail in my present relationship, I don't think I would like to use Chnlove ever again. The risks are huge, the prices are high and the stories of men being completely ripped off are terrifying. :@
However, there seem to be decent agencies out there.
same here, if my relationship doesn't work out, I'll go Willy style, meet local, my trip proved this to be easy enough even though I was not looking.
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Guangzhou bound then beware. Both Men and ladies.
Willy
Dating Agencies Leave Singles Broken-hearted
Cupid's arrow might be out there but ready to do more harm than good.
Twenty-five women looking for foreign spouses through two dating agencies in Guangzhou have joined hands to disclose what they believe to be cheating by the firms, according to a report in the Southern Metropolis Daily.
Hoping to find a second love after her husband died, Yang Xiuling, 54, registered at the Guangzhou Tianyuan Matchmaking Service Agency in May.
She was persuaded to have a go at finding a foreign husband after paying 280 yuan (US$35) to register. A month later, she was asked to pay another 4,000 yuan (US$493) as the agency had arranged a date for her with a "rich foreigner," simply named Michel.
She said she paid more than 8,000 yuan (US$986) to date the so-called right person but later learned that Michel was just an American college student.
Another 24 women aged from 30-50 years old, including those who had registered at the Guangzhou-based Ming'aoyuan Matchmaking Service Agency, have also complained about their experiences.
They have been persuaded to pay a total of more than 400,000 yuan (US$49,321) to date foreigners, the daily reports.
But sources with the Guangzhou Municipal Commercial and Industrial Bureau said these two agencies were only registered to hook up people from within the country.
There are no regulations relating to the supervision and management of such dating agencies.
Many of them promise to find a customer a spouse within a certain amount of time. But legal experts said this is cheating because it gives people false hopes. Such a contract is invalid if it cannot be realized, lawyers said.
Some agencies promise the women that when they meet a foreigner and plan to get married, the agency can get them a visa to go abroad. But a visa, of course, depends on the embassy or consulate of the relevant country.
A reporter from the daily newspaper conducted an "underground" investigation early this month, in a bid to find out what was behind the two agencies.
The reporter was apparently told by the Ming'aoyuan agency to pay more than 20,000 yuan (US$2,470) to become a member of the agency and date foreigners.
The southern city of Guangzhou has seen an increasing matchmaking market in recent years as many people have a more tolerant attitude towards love and marriage.
The bureau and the civil affairs department in Guangzhou have warned people who are seeking love through matchmaking agencies to be cautious with contracts.
"The huge market has been a magnet for many, including illegal agencies who cheat customers," an official with the Guangzhou Civil Affairs Bureau said.
But with their increasing social impact, agencies should be closely watched for their self-discipline and professional ethics, the official added.
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Hello All,
I would be very interested to know if anyone has any information about, or experience of, the Chongqing Yanghongnian Marriage Introductory Company Ltd (in Chongqing, obviously!).
I have been writing to someone at that agency for some time and her last letter put up a few red flags that I am anxious to dispel or, regrettably, confirm and any info - good or bad - would be most welcome.
Thanks. Johnboy
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Anybody have good or bad thoughts of P513?
Angel Consultation and Service Center
Location: Nantong, Jiangsu, China Agency ID: P513
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I know that this is late but you know what they say.... better late than never.
Liaoning YangGuang Overseas Affairs Services Company..............ID # P326
The translator she used was named Phoebe. One of the best translators I have had the pleasure to read. I never got the chance to meet the lady I was writing to but that was not their fault. I was really looking forward to meeting the translator too. Never once did I get the idea that there was something amiss.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
Dave C
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Bee-- never got a chance to meet her??? why??? did she drop off the radar screen??
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Bee-- never got a chance to meet her??? why??? did she drop off the radar screen??
Long story here. Her profile is gone now. (Noticed that a while ago) Due to a problem with her daughter she called it off. She had to quit her job and move. I had a note from the translator as well as the daughter about this. I feel quite confident that I was the only one she was writing to. I have learned the lesson to trust my instincts. My instincts told me that this woman was genuine. I probably would have had a relationship with her after meeting her. Everything just felt right with her. I noticed that I still have the last letter from her on the site. It contains the letter from her daughter too. When you feel it is right, you just know. I think you know what I mean. We were to the point of finalising plans to meet. Her translator and I had "talked" about having her at the airport when we meet. You know, all the usual stuff you talk about when you plan on meeting. If you want to know the story I will PM it. I don't want to post it here. She was 49 years old, I'm 52. And yes it hurt ending it. I was surprised by this too.
Dave C
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Personally I like the Scottish Rob's way of meeting women. Instead of meeting women on the CHN or China Love Links or any of the other internet dating services, which by the way, after reading these posts has really got me thinking. I now distrust agencys, partly because I went through the agency BS. And partly because of what the other bro's have written. I would actually like to go for a visit to china and meet one in person. I am sure there are ways once you get there, to meet these women, pick one out that is special, and QQ with her or e-mail, and leave the agency's behind.
Think of how much money you spend on EMF's and you have enough for a nice vacation of say 2 weeks to 30 days in China. Now consider how many helpful brothers there are in China (and they are honest) to help if needed or at least point you in the right direction.
Not to mention others on here that have been there and done that.
Now that is a better value than paying a dirty agency, and not getting anything in return.
this is a personel opinion, and may be subject to change...haha :icon_cheesygrin:
By the way Willy, all kidding aside is there really a "super viagra" pill now? or was that just BS. ???
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Personally I like the Scottish Rob's way of meeting women. ...
Now consider how many helpful brothers there are in China (and they are honest) to help if needed or at least point you in the right direction.
Rocky
does that mean 'I have a dating technique named after me?' hahah
From EXPERIENCE the brothers are VERY helpful when needed as was proven to me...
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well if you ever come to gz then we could talk about all the different experiences we had
in this quest
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Personally I like the Scottish Rob's way of meeting women. Instead of meeting women on the CHN or China Love Links or any of the other internet dating services, which by the way, after reading these posts has really got me thinking. I now distrust agencys, partly because I went through the agency BS. And partly because of what the other bro's have written. I would actually like to go for a visit to china and meet one in person. I am sure there are ways once you get there, to meet these women, pick one out that is special, and QQ with her or e-mail, and leave the agency's behind.
Think of how much money you spend on EMF's and you have enough for a nice vacation of say 2 weeks to 30 days in China. Now consider how many helpful brothers there are in China (and they are honest) to help if needed or at least point you in the right direction.
Not to mention others on here that have been there and done that.
Now that is a better value than paying a dirty agency, and not getting anything in return.
this is a personel opinion, and may be subject to change...haha :icon_cheesygrin:
By the way Willy, all kidding aside is there really a "super viagra" pill now? or was that just BS. ???
Of course, this is all common sense. You are at the mercy of the agencies if you are a non-Chinese speaking foreigner. The best way to meet someone is to be there for a long time and work or network around. Unfortunately, the majority of us do not have that luxury so we are often taken advantage of by even the siupposely honest agencies or networks like Chnlove.
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Of course, this is all common sense. You are at the mercy of the agencies if you are a non-Chinese speaking foreigner. The best way to meet someone is to be there for a long time and work or network around. Unfortunately, the majority of us do not have that luxury so we are often taken advantage of by even the siupposely honest agencies or networks like Chnlove.
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Do not agree completely with that. Most of you know that I have been here since June 2009. Got married this year but in the 4 months before I met my wife I did not feel intimidated by anyone. Especially the agencies - I was never at their mercy - the other way with me. I had little Chinese language then and not much more now.
Mind you they were trying to sell me a woman and pick upo a marraige fee etc. Whereas most of the men coming to China have a women they have been talking to for some time so the Agencies do try to use that to their advantage.
Be confident as the agencies will pick up any sign top the contary.
The agencies were falling over themselves to fit me up with women I rarely used an interpreter as I relied on my Besta especially with those that I met in the shops and wandering around. So many wanted me to teach them English and I was offered all kinds of incentives.
Thank goodness I met my wife as I am sure she saved me from an early grave!!!!
Willy
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Ah Willy, but what a way to go!
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Willy,
Angel will keep you fit and healthy for many years to come.
But i dont think she realizes that she will have to put up with
you while she is doing that:icon_cheesygrin:
just kidding my friend:icon_biggrin:
Ted
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Willy,
Angel will keep you fit and healthy for many years to come.
But i dont think she realizes that she will have to put up with
you while she is doing that:icon_cheesygrin:
just kidding my friend:icon_biggrin:
Ted
Just getting a bit suspiscious as she seems to spill cooking oil on the same spot on the balcony ever day!!!! Its a hell of a longdrop over the edge.
Perhaps that is just a warm up until my insurance is in place.
Willy
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Willy,
doesnt she realize the local govt will charge her for the damages
you make when you land lol
she will have to pay that out of the insurance