China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Newbies Corner => Topic started by: Andy on February 03, 2010, 12:25:50 pm
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I write this down as kind of a warning for people that might be new or not aware of certain things about chinlove.
After six months of correspondence through EMF I visited a lady in Changsha last October. You can find out my trip in another post. She is a pretty woman and I could not believe she loves me so I travel to see her. In real life she did not have the same personality then it was reflected in the EMF so naturally it did not work out between us. We broke up, but still keep the connection. To tell you the truth this trip could have been avoided if we had a couple of web-cam meetings, but she always gave me an excuse. If this is happening to you then I recommend finding an other lady. If she really into you she would want to have web-cam meeting just like you do. But here is the catch. She might never even receive your request for a web-cam meeting because the agency never gave her your full letter. After we broke up with my lady I still received EMF letters from her through the agency. I asked her via QQ why she is writing me EMF letters. She told me that she did not write to me.The agency is a scam. Agency ID: P216. Stay away! I think some people get very lucky with chinlove. I joined Chineselovelinks and found plenty of lovely English speaking girls. Most of this ladies have computer available and also love to have web-cam meetings. I bet there are also other websites that are better to find your dream lady. If I knew what I know now I would never had joined chinlove. I found a wonderful girl now and we spend 3 hours everyday on the web-cam, she write me a love letter every day. I am going to see her in April. Try to move on to direct contact as soon as you can. Good luck to you all.
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Yeah, i recommend CLL too, i've been with my girl from there for over two months now and it's also going great...:icon_cheesygrin: We are planning a trip to China in June to see her parents, and the 30 other family members....!:s But like with all these dating sites I had a few contacts that went nowhere before i found her, but at least there is no emf translator issues to worry about...
Andy.
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Glad to hear the news Andy and Wills...
Yeah I remember your stories,:huh:
It is good that your still perservering with Chinese ladies, good luck guys.:icon_biggrin:
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Cheers Rob. I did think about starting a thread about me and my new girl to let any interested brothers now how things were going, but i started this relationship on the run up to xmas, when there were a lot of brothers seeming to be having problems with their relationships and others who were finding it hard being away from their lady at that time of year, i kinda thought that writing how good things were going and having her with me for xmas and the new year a little bit like rubbing salt into the wound, but i will be sure to post about the trip to China when i go, tho meeting all these family members does seem a little daunting to me, At least only a couple of them can speak English, so i doubt i will be bombarded with questions.....:icon_cheesygrin:
Andy...
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You will be surprised mate, they will look you up and down and ask questions with their eyes,,,lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Seriously though, yeah mate post us the trip details and how it all went etc...
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I'm used to the eyes Rob, spent three weeks there last year being stared at everywhere i went...:icon_cheesygrin:Also we are going in summer and i remember it being damn hot in China that time of year. The trouble is I have a fair few tattoo's and she has already said i'll have to wear long sleeves as her parents will not approve of them, and we are staying with them for three weeks.....!! They better have air con or i'm gonna melt...:icon_cheesygrin:
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I am having something similar happen. Have been writing to a lady for almost 3 months now. In her admiration letter she stated if I would give her my private email she would share pics. When I wrote with the email address she said she was not comfortable with her english yet to do that so obviously she did not write that. Other than that things are great and she responds to all my questions except when i as for direct contact of any sort, be it her address or webcam. I am convinced those questions do not go through which of course puts the whole relationship under suspicion. I am planning to go in a few months, this is kind of a drag.
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I write this down as kind of a warning for people that might be new or not aware of certain things about chinlove.
After six months of correspondence through EMF I visited a lady in Changsha last October. You can find out my trip in another post. She is a pretty woman and I could not believe she loves me so I travel to see her. In real life she did not have the same personality then it was reflected in the EMF so naturally it did not work out between us. We broke up, but still keep the connection. To tell you the truth this trip could have been avoided if we had a couple of web-cam meetings, but she always gave me an excuse. If this is happening to you then I recommend finding an other lady. If she really into you she would want to have web-cam meeting just like you do. But here is the catch. She might never even receive your request for a web-cam meeting because the agency never gave her your full letter. After we broke up with my lady I still received EMF letters from her through the agency. I asked her via QQ why she is writing me EMF letters. She told me that she did not write to me.The agency is a scam. Agency ID: P216. Stay away! I think some people get very lucky with chinlove. I joined Chineselovelinks and found plenty of lovely English speaking girls. Most of this ladies have computer available and also love to have web-cam meetings. I bet there are also other websites that are better to find your dream lady. If I knew what I know now I would never had joined chinlove. I found a wonderful girl now and we spend 3 hours everyday on the web-cam, she write me a love letter every day. I am going to see her in April. Try to move on to direct contact as soon as you can. Good luck to you all.
That agency photoshopped most of their girls' photos. I would suggest you give VERY BAD feedback & press CHNlove to blacklist them. But probably CHNlove is making too much money to give a damn. I would do it still, just to get even.
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In her admiration letter she stated if I would give her my private email she would share pics. When I wrote with the email address she said she was not comfortable with her english yet to do that so obviously she did not write that.
I'm wondering how much the agencies embellish the e-mails or how much they leave out. I'm sure it would be easy enough to "forget" or "overlook" translating the sentence; " I would like your private e-mail address," Or "I would like to mail you a gift so could you send me your mailing address." The agency could simply omit that from the letter they pass on to the lady knowing full well that keeping that out would make it so we have no choice but to use EMF to communicate.
I don't have as much of a problem as some seem to of the agencies initiating contact to a gentleman for a lady. Sure if it is obvious that there is not a match that is one thing, but if they are working as true agents on the ladies behalf I can understand them wanting to initiate contact to see if we have an interest and then bring the lady up to speed as the response with significant interest comes in. I mean, isn't that what an agency is supposed to do to earn their money that the lady is paying them, work as an advocate on her behalf? But I do agree that the fraud and dishonesty has to stop.
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David, I agree the agencies should be somewhat aggressive in promoting this product, understandable. As for me I can't get any direct contact with the lady I am writing and I am having my doubts, ashame as she seems like a sweetheart. It costs to much time and money for a trip to China, especially one that is pointless. In the meantime I went on Cherry Blossoms and when I was not being scammed to throw birthdays for most of the population I met this very nice lady and we webcam and write everyday. So now the question is what to do, a known quantity and an unknown
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Andy,
i to found my wife on cll after much disapointment and not so honest business
practices from chnlove. we are now married and i am living in china with her for
the next few years and then we will go to the usa or a few years. the aggressiveness
by the translators should be there as they are trying to find the lady a husband but after
the contact that is when the games should not begin and i have a hard time accepting
that. we are a small group here and there seems to be quite a few instances of this happening.
on a whole i would be interested to find out how many times this happens. as i meet people here
i talk with them about this and maybe i will meet the right person one day here who will be able to
look into the business practices of the agencies who represent chnlove. that is on my agenda here
while living in china
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I haven't looked at Changsha girls for a while but what made me laugh about P266 is that they use the same studio every time and the girls wear the same clothes, there was a pair of sexy denim shorts used that must have just about worn out by now, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't pluck young pretty girls off the street and offer them a free photo shoot just so they could get the pictures to post on ChnLove then fake all the EMF replies, all their girls seem to be very young and pretty compared to P268.
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now thats an interesting observation Cam the same shorts?
maybe your on to something pay the girls for a photo shoot?
that wouldnt surprise me
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If you look carefully at the younger women on Changsha Love Bridge, you will see that they all somehow fit into the same dress...the one with the red edging...I bet they charge them for hire of the dress !!!
When you look at the photos from inside the Agency, there seems to be HUNDREDS of Translators at work...so they need many, many "new" Ladies to keep them all busy screwing us for EMF's !!!
No wonder we get a bit cynical about it all....:dodgy::dodgy:
David
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To be honest I have never looked at the clothes they WERE wearing!!!
A major problem in this business is to be able to check out the ladies that our members have been talking to on EMF for some time. Especially those only using emfs.
The ladies will have telephone just about every young women has one. Could we set up a system where those living in China with wives could telephone and speak to the ladies in question to try to ascertain if they are genuine or not!
If lots of calls are needed, to lots of ladies then there would have to be a charge but it may save a lot of money on EMF's and a lot more heartache in the long run. But on the other hand it may point to the lady being genuine.
If cellphone numbers are agency clones then they will not want to speak for long.
Maybe the system could be used for urgent calls to ladies. All we need is a member who has a pay pal account and a wife in China.
Perhaps others could enlarge on this thought.
Willy
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Willy that is a good idea, but wouldn't the lady get fed up making calls?:s
Would your wife do it???
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I haven't looked at Changsha girls for a while but what made me laugh about P266 is that they use the same studio every time and the girls wear the same clothes, there was a pair of sexy denim shorts used that must have just about worn out by now, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't pluck young pretty girls off the street and offer them a free photo shoot just so they could get the pictures to post on ChnLove then fake all the EMF replies, all their girls seem to be very young and pretty compared to P268.
Haha, hand-me-downs from Salvation Army? Notice all the photoshopped faces? It looks more like Final Fantasy XVII that any real world gals :icon_cheesygrin:
To be honest I have never looked at the clothes they WERE wearing!!!
A major problem in this business is to be able to check out the ladies that our members have been talking to on EMF for some time. Especially those only using emfs.
The ladies will have telephone just about every young women has one. Could we set up a system where those living in China with wives could telephone and speak to the ladies in question to try to ascertain if they are genuine or not!
If lots of calls are needed, to lots of ladies then there would have to be a charge but it may save a lot of money on EMF's and a lot more heartache in the long run. But on the other hand it may point to the lady being genuine.
If cellphone numbers are agency clones then they will not want to speak for long.
Maybe the system could be used for urgent calls to ladies. All we need is a member who has a pay pal account and a wife in China.
Perhaps others could enlarge on this thought.
Willy
Haha, Willy's counter-espionage agency? In our post-Cold War world, it might be more useful than the CIA ! Maybe we can call it the WIA? :icon_cheesygrin: And the resulting database can be the Willypedia hehe :icon_biggrin:
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Willy we could start a search and discover business here in China.
We can open a office up here in Guangzhou and take care of business
for all the members on many sites. even travel to different cities. The base will
be in GZ and if business is good we can hire some ladies here because another
chinese lady can read the others thought well. I know Siying can get a good feel
for what a lady is up to. She tells me all the time when a lady looks at me
"country side woman just love you for your money" and i smile at her.
Zhongshan is to small for me but you can dispatch out of there hahaha
seriously we should talk about this
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now thats an interesting observation Cam the same shorts?
maybe your on to something pay the girls for a photo shoot?
that wouldnt surprise me
Mate they wouldn't even have to pay them, just find a pretty girl and tell her you may have a job for her as a model...............Come to studio xxxx at 10am on Sunday and we'll take some pictures of you, you might be in luck.
Now what are the chances of any of these girls knowing if their pic has been used illegally or not as I doubt Chinese women can look at the female profiles on ChnLove.
This place is full of scamming bastards, the teaching agencies are just as bad.....promise the world then when you get here everything changes.
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You will be surprised mate, they will look you up and down and ask questions with their eyes,,,lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Who are you kidding Rob. :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Willy
Willy that is a good idea, but wouldn't the lady get fed up making calls?:s
Not if she was paid for it Rob. There would have to be a small charge.
Willy
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Willy,
have a briliant idea i will ru by you in GZ at the party before we get looped hahaha
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Andy,
It's great you posted this here! As you and I have talked about this several times, I kept our chats to us only! Yes this next trip should be much funner here in Changsha! Keep me updated on QQ with whats going on!
For those saying the other agency is much better, should be cautious of that one too...seeing a translator taking a Frenchman(that doesn't understand any English) to an English class, in hopes of setting him up with a lady there, is kind of sad! Well, the bait worked well(they got his ass to China) butt they were having problems with the switch...I guess when a man in his late 40's is looking for a woman around the age 30 will have problems...yes the agency/translator shit needs to stop!
Falcon, you are now chatting with a woman online...forget about that emf garbage...
Odysseus, You can see the same at the KTV's here...butt they are not ps'ed..it's real with plenty of make-up... at least you can a piece of the action 4 a price!
Cam, Yes, the pictures they present, on chnlove, are skanky and the other agency doesn't do the same...butt they are really no better(bait and switch)!
In the last 6 weeks here, I have met several REAL ladies looking for a good man, I have many of their QQ's and some are learning English and one is an English teacher...yesterday My wife and I hungout with 6 women that I helped with their English studies...they are all good women!
again, Andy this was good posting this here! You have the experience to share...unfortunately it wasn't great...thing is you kept your head up and now in the right direction!
Jim
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lifes roads sometimes leads us in other directions when adversity
appears and all is well
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Pulling girls off the street for a photo session? Way to much work. They did it once, then photo shopped and made different women. Cut and Paste. Cut and Paste. Blend, and you have a different woman.
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that could be a way of doing it Shaun, when Frank gets to GZ we are
going to visit a agency here in GZ and i have may questions to ask them
about there operation. i am going to try and be detailed in my questions
and make them give detailed answers. i have nothing to lose if they throw
me out as i am already married so i dont need them to help me find a nice lady
and then i will report the findings here in a post
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Look, I'd be willing to pay 100RMB to find out if someone I been talking to for a few weeks is real. Lets say we get someone to do this occasionally (part time) and Willy willies his 50% cut, that's still 50RMB for like 30 minutes of part time work for some Chinese girl. Not bad salary.
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anybody talking to a lady in Guangzhou i would be more than happy to
check it out for you. and all you need to do is pay the taxi fee to there
and back. and maybe some dumplings for 8 rmb.
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My lady is in Guangzhou, but I see her everyday on the cam. I love to spend time with her. She is like a firecracker. Spontaneous, humors, but she can turn quickly to the other side when she is sad. I saw her cry a couple of times, because she miss me. She wants to touch me and feel me. I try to assure her and make her smile again. I am going to see her in march and getting her involved with travel plans make her feel happy. She can not wait to see me. Yesterday she went to look for a good hotel for me. She even show me pictures of the hotel room. We will stay together in one room while I am there. She wants to spend every seconds with me. I think this trip will be a different then my last one.
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Andy let us know when you arrive in gz maybe we could have dinner
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Sounds good! I will be there middle of march. I will let you know the exact date, when I purchase the ticket.
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Andy what district in GZ does your lady live in?
and with the many hotels in this town i
could recommend one to you based on were
she lives
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I'm used to the eyes Rob, spent three weeks there last year being stared at everywhere i went...:icon_cheesygrin:Also we are going in summer and i remember it being damn hot in China that time of year. The trouble is I have a fair few tattoo's and she has already said i'll have to wear long sleeves as her parents will not approve of them, and we are staying with them for three weeks.....!! They better have air con or i'm gonna melt...:icon_cheesygrin:
I had the same thing happen to me, my girl said i needed to wear long sleeves but after I got to her parents home they made me take my shirt off because it was to hot. Maybe you will luck out and she will have accepting parents.
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as long as you tell your girl you should be ok but it is brutal
hot here at times with the humidity dont envy you if you need to
wear long sleeves
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> She even show me pictures of the hotel room
Ha ha ha, I just remembered my lady actually went into a Wuhan hotel room to check that the room was OK before we stayed there. It must be a Chinese thing, remembering to thoroughly examine everything before purchase.
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> She even show me pictures of the hotel room
Ha ha ha, I just remembered my lady actually went into a Wuhan hotel room to check that the room was OK before we stayed there. It must be a Chinese thing, remembering to thoroughly examine everything before purchase.
Well I hope you did the same to her Brett. LOL:icon_cheesygrin:
Willy
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> She even show me pictures of the hotel room
Ha ha ha, I just remembered my lady actually went into a Wuhan hotel room to check that the room was OK before we stayed there. It must be a Chinese thing, remembering to thoroughly examine everything before purchase.
Well I hope you did the same to her Brett. LOL:icon_cheesygrin:
Willy
Does product come with lifetime warranty? hehe :icon_cheesygrin:
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Andy what district in GZ does your lady live in?
and with the many hotels in this town i
could recommend one to you based on were
she lives
She does not mind where is the hotel. She wants to be with me in the same room and spend all her time with me. The lady told me she will not let me out of her sight. :icon_cheesygrin:
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andy ,
i am in the haizhu district of guangzhou and there is a really nice hotel here that will
give you a good rate so let me know if you want the info. i took Frank there when he was
here and Willy stayed there. i even stayed there one night last year when my wife and i had our
house painted. the smell was to strong so we stayed their like a mini vacation till the next day.
and the morning tea food is some of the best i have eaten here in gz at this hotel
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Cheers Rob. I did think about starting a thread about me and my new girl to let any interested brothers now how things were going, but i started this relationship on the run up to xmas, when there were a lot of brothers seeming to be having problems with their relationships and others who were finding it hard being away from their lady at that time of year, i kinda thought that writing how good things were going and having her with me for xmas and the new year a little bit like rubbing salt into the wound, but i will be sure to post about the trip to China when i go, tho meeting all these family members does seem a little daunting to me, At least only a couple of them can speak English, so i doubt i will be bombarded with questions.....:icon_cheesygrin:
Congrats Wilsbrough. I remember reading a thread of yours a few months ago. Is this the girl you went on a blind date with at a restaurant?
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She sure is...:icon_cheesygrin: I've put a few posts about us up, but they are kinda scattered all about in different threads....:s But the new news is she's moving in with me next weekend...:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Andy.
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Good for you Andy maybe you can ask her about the tongue thing? I've seen this in as many pics as the V sign?
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My lady does the same thing with her tongue. It is probably something cute girls like to do. Same with the "V" thing. I do find it cute.
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you see that here all the time and it is the cutest thing :icon_biggrin:
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Back to the original OP, I've received a lot of a.m.'s from Changsha, specifically from agency 216-including one last night that said basically 'come and get it', and I think you know what I mean. What about the other Changsha agencies?
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Bumping up this old thread as it is probably the most useful and truthful one. I cancelled my Chnlove account today for reasons already stated in other posts in this thread and will not be using it again.
CLL looks so much better.
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i found cll to be a lot better than china love even though a few members did find success there. thats were
i found Sara or she found me whichever way you look at it.
china loves main issue is with all the bogus stupid translaters and office managers that each independant
office has. and the main site doesnt do anything about it which in the long run probably wont effect them cause as
one leaves 2 join so i am sure they have a way to track and see that it really doesnt effect them to much and
they still are making money rather than losing revenue.
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I'd recommend CLL as well. I've not registered yet but the JapanCupid one is very nice. I like the fact that they ask for ID, the membership fee is reasonable and the search facilities are excellent. You might even find a Chinese lady in your own country, as well as a language learning buddy.
The annoying thing is you need to register separately for all their different niche sites.
Oh and for UK guys you're much better off choosing someone with English skills otherwise you'll probably have an uphill struggle with immigration.
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But your still living in UK Brett! Not many Chinese women will move there whilst that situation continues. ;D
Willy
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i think it would be totally insane to travel all the way to China to meet a lady after just having emf contact.
you must keep in mind the business practices of these agencies and DEMAND a personal contact on web cam
were you could see each other and at times struggle thru the talking online if her english isnt up to par. if you
write and dont recieve a favorable reply i think you should just move on and go to another one but not from the
same agency. my opinion of this is maybe after 5 or 6 emf's then its time to bring it to at least 1 or 2 web cams a
week. this is just my opinion and of course is what i would do. i wouldnt allow myself to get sucked in by the
translator and just keep writing emf's. after all this is our life and we need to take control of what we want to
have done. this might prevent some of the sad stories we hear were the lady wasnt interested or the lady wasnt
or appeared to look like her pics or the many other issues that have come up after just emf's. ok just my opinion
for some of the newbies starting out
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Ted , your last statement is very true and shows how things have changed over the last few years , now I would say that at least 8 out of 10 ladies have some access to a webcam via their families , agencies etc , and with my contacts on QQ [ some 56 of them ] they all have webcams , so yes for the newbies , do not accept anything less , I would say , at our home we even have inter house QQ with me downstairs and Sujuan upstairs , and me teaching her English sentences , and me being told to hurry upstairs to bed , he he , regards Robert and Yo .
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I've only been on CLL for one day and what a difference it is to Chnlove. Some of the women are quite pushy and they're the ones who insist on chatting via webcam. I was happy just to write e-mails for the time being as I am not that good with using webcams and still need to set up the software properly.
What a contrast to Chnlove where it seems easier to get blood from a stone than get some form of direct contact. And you're no longer left wondering if it is really her you're communicating with or a very creative and deceptive translator.
The only negative for me is that on CLL when typing in Chinese in the chat function, I cannot seem to copy and paste text that site to translate things I do not understand, as the lady I was chatting with does not know any English. So I have to figure out how to get my webcam to work in QQ. But overall, I wish I knew about this site a lot earlier, and it is a lot cheaper than Chnlove.
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just goes to show you that a majority of the ladies want direct contact but on chnlove it seems they have a
majority of women who dont nor have computers or have bad language as to reasons why. though some people
have had success i would like to see their stats on this vs members. but of course it will never change as they are
revenue driven and when 1 leaves 3 more join so its all in their favor
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just to let you know. I met my Anny on china love match. Very good site, reasonable price. All of the women required to talk on cam.
FYI
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i think it would be totally insane to travel all the way to China to meet a lady after just having emf contact. ok just my opinion
for some of the newbies starting out
Ted, I agree with you and your advice. but also want to let people know it is ok to follow the heart. I went to china and met Xiuru, based only on 6 months of EMFs. No web cam, no phone, only EMFs. we are now waiting on the embassy in Guangzhou for the final interveiw for the finance visa. Had i listened to all the posts here, i would not have followed my heart and ended up with the lovely lady. So bottom line, do what your heart says, but keep your mind open to problems. we are all different, the ladies are all different, there is not one size fits all methods for finding the perfect lady. buzz
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i do agree with that Buzz you must follow your heart and do whats best for you. i just think that chlove plays to many
games and thats all i was trying to say. just beware and keep that in mind if your just starting out. there was something
in the reply's that kept the two of you emf ing and its good to hear that it all worked out. sounds like everything is in the
fimal stages for the two of you and i send my congrats. how was everything there and how was cindy and her sister? i hope
that when your wife gets her interview we could meet up for dinner and if your not able to come at that time Sara and i would
be pleased to have dinner with your wife. Sara could translate for all of us. and whether its the two of you or just her i have a
great hookup with a hotel that gives all freinds a great price and a suite so i would be pleased to arrange that for you two just
let me know
Ted
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Nice photo Buzz,
Old shoulders hold wise head. I think I have a few more years on me than you but you certainly have the wisdom.
Why do those men in the 40 - 60 age bracket think they will be continually happy with a 20 odd year old. Constantly looking over their shoulders to see who she is talking too. Checking her cellphone to see who is contacting her. I've even known of men on this forum checking their ladies purse! And continually trying to convince themseleves that they look 10 years younger than they are. How are they going to live. They are so insecure in their relationship and we know where it will end.
But you and I and a few others on here have settled on love not a trophy wife to parade around.
May you have many years of happiness together and we hope that your application in Guangzhou goes ahead swiftly and well.
Willy
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Nice photo Buzz,
Old shoulders hold wise head. I think I have a few more years on me than you but you certainly have the wisdom.
Why do those men in the 40 - 60 age bracket think they will be continually happy with a 20 odd year old. Constantly looking over their shoulders to see who she is talking too. Checking her cellphone to see who is contacting her. I've even known of men on this forum checking their ladies purse! And continually trying to convince themseleves that they look 10 years younger than they are. How are they going to live. They are so insecure in their relationship and we know where it will end.
But you and I and a few others on here have settled on love not a trophy wife to parade around.
May you have many years of happiness together and we hope that your application in Guangzhou goes ahead swiftly and well.
Willy
I think you are right here
Having a drastic age difference is most likely asking for trouble, unless the woman is loyal beyond all reason, expecting a good relationship with a 20 year age difference will lead to the problems you stated.
When looking for real love, I would suggest looking for similar ages, at most around 10-15 years younger ( 10 years if you are 35 or so and 15 if you are 50 and above). Dating or getting married to a 20 year old who is also very beautiful, is likely to lead in your heatbreak. What she may thinks she wants know is very likely to change in a few short years
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Willy, look forward to the next step. seeing the UK and USA ambassadors in Guangzhou. Will bring the jerky, (tasted and saw what was available in china), but no pink flower shirts. The wife just would not budge on that item. What is most important is whether or not the couple go at the same speed and in the same direction. By that i mean, when you are walking, are you going at the same pace, is one always slowing down or having to run to catch up. Do you have the same long term goals. Children, living in china, moving to ???, how to spend money. All these things need to come close to matching if there is to be any chance of success. When I started looking at the 8000 ladies on china love, i set some very strict requirements. NO children, College education, Within 5 years of my age, and a very pretty smile. There were over 150 ladies that met that requirement. I just started down the page and stopped when I saw Xiuru. Why, a very simple answer. Her picture was simple elegance. She is the only one i contacted, and only one i have seen. And as far as energy goes, let us just say, that while i miss my wife, I am glad to be back home as I need some rest. buzz