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All About China => Visas, Immigration and Emigration => Topic started by: Bob on April 03, 2009, 10:40:16 pm
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Hello to all friends and members, I wanted to share my experiences with all of you regarding the Canadian Immigration Process. I hope that some of this information will help some of you, and perhaps answer a few of your questions
Please note that I am in Quebec and some of the Immigration documents and/or information may be slightly different for the other provinces and territories.
I decided to hire Immigration lawyers to help me with my application, simply because I wanted to make sure everything was properly done and that there would be not mistakes in my immigration application, which could cause many delays and problems if there ever where any. It is not necessary to hire immigration lawyers, and contrary to belief it will not help your application with Immigration go quicker, on the Immigration Canada website will even tell you this. I hired the lawyers back in November of 2008, at a price of $3000.00 CND. They sent me and my wife all the required documents via e-mail for us to complete, then they reviewed the completed documents to make sure everything is in order and properly done.( they sent all documents to my e-mail, the documents were separated in two sections, my form's to be completed and my wife's forms) I then forward my wife's documents for her to complete. These documents can be downloaded from the Canadian Immigration website. Note: If your wife can not read or write English, then she will have to find someone that can help her with the forms and translate the information that they ask from her.
I was told by the lawyers that each case is a little different, on average according to there many years of experience dealing with Immigration that it will take approximately 4 to 10 months before my wife will receive her visa to stay in Canada. However it is most likely to be around the 9-10 month period in my case.
Please keep in mind that Immigration will look at many factors regarding your relationship with you lady/wife, the length of time you known each other,how long you have been corresponding with each other?, if you met in person? how many times? Did your family and friends know about your relationship? does she have any criminal records? and the questions go on and on. This is normal, they have to make sure your relationship is a real one, and that your marriage is not some sort of arrangement or deal you have made (false marriage to allow her to enter the country). This is very understandable.
You have to prove that your relationship is true and that you really are in love with each other. So it is VERY important that you keep EVERYTHING regarding your relationship, here are some examples; If you went to China, KEEP ALL RECEIPTS !! used airline tickets (stubs) and intinuary, Hotel receipts,restaurant receipts,keep all correspondence letters, e-mails,phone bills,get signed letters from your family and her family and friends that knew of your relationship since the beginning when it started,pictures,pictures,pictures of you and your wife together and with the family and friends that you met when in China,keep notes on the date you met each person ( they will ask you this on one of the forms), receipts of all gifts you bought your wife(including wedding ring), write the name of all the places you have visited in China with your lady/wife, other cities/provinces, this includes tourist attractions,restaurants,etc,,Send a scanned copy of your China visa with the red stamps as additional proof you went to China. Scanned image of your lady/wife ID Card, front and back of card,Basically keep record of everything you did together. They ask many questions on the documents, and supporting documents/proof will be asked. The more information you can give them, the better. Everything that I have mentioned here, immigration have asked from me.
My wife had some documents notarized as well, marriage certificate authentication, non criminal certificate,next of ken(who are her parents,brother, where she was born),and a few others. Some of this may not be necessary, however we wanted to give as much information as possible. A "non criminal" certificate is required! Usually this is obtained by the local town police station where your lady/wife lives.
Your wife will have to take a medical exam, she must go to the specific doctor appointed by immigration, they will tell you what doctor she will have to visit with at the appropriate time. The doctor will complete a form that she must return to Canada (to you)to be sent along with the immigration application,(must be the original, no photo copies or scanned images)
In many cases there will be an interview to attend, ( we have not yet done this, so I can not comment on this issue at the moment.)
It sounds more complicated then it actually is, be honest and truthful, give much details about your relationship, supply them with as much information and proof of your relationship as possible! and everything should be fine.
I know from experience and I know many of you are also feeling this, "The waiting is really difficult", we must be patient and think of the day when we will reunite with our lady/wife. Hang in there, our lady/wife is well worth it. :)
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Thanks Bob. Looking forward to hearing about your Spousal Visa interview. All the best to you two !!!
Yes, I understand that in Quebec, one is required to show proof of income, but not in the rest of Canada :roll:
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Good to hear from a fellow Canadian that is further along in the immigration process. I am still in the stage of collecting all her supporting documents. The agency she was dealing with have only catered to American clients so far. They thought that she only needed the medical done just before the interview. I have told them no and my wife is scheduled to go next week to Guangzhou for her check up. One funny topic that came up - she was told by a friend of hers that her son would need to get circumcised before being allowed to immigrate to Canada. Well...I snipped that rumor of at the bud :lol:
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Did you ask about pre-nups? If I marry a CW, I have to get a pre-nup. I heard that if you have to have a Canadian lawyer from your province present when she signs it and it has to be in Chinese. It's kind of expensive to bring a Canadian lawyer to China, but someone said you can get the contract notarized.
Yes, some women will object to signing a pre-marriage agreement, but if you have substantial assets, it is only prudent. It does not mean you do not trust her and love her. It is just being practical. Of course everyone has a different situation, but if you have a lot of assets, I recommend it. You don't want to be sorry.
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For you guys in Ontario, there is a great company in the Toronto area that help you get your Single Certificate. They take care of all the running around. After you bring them all relevant paperwork (ie. divorce certificate) you have to sign everything in front of the lawyer that they provide. They take care of all the running around. Cost for me was $300 Cdn.
http://www.chiaris.ca
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Well I received my first letter from immigration. I have qualified to sponsor my wife and her (or should I say) our son. Hong Kong will do the processing so it might take another year. I sent the application documents 1.5 months ago to Immigration. They state that my application meet minimum requirements for completness. I wonder if they ever sent a letter saying anyone has exceeded the requirements:rolleyes:
Oh well, at least it is a step in the right direction.
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Good to hear Rhonald...keep us guys North of the border posted.
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Article from today's Toronto Star indicating that the Canadian refusal rate from the Hong Kong office serving Southern China is mid-forties % ...
http://www.thestar.com/unassigned/article/658649
Best suggestion from article is the following ...
"I know three people who came here on (visitor's) visas and applied here. It takes longer, but at least they're together."
When Nabbie applied to sponsor his wife, he did not realize that out-of-country applicants are not allowed to visit Canada while their request is under consideration.
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Article from today's Toronto Star indicating that the Canadian refusal rate from the Hong Kong office serving Southern China is mid-forties % ...
http://www.thestar.com/unassigned/article/658649
Best suggestion from article is the following ...
"I know three people who came here on (visitor's) visas and applied here. It takes longer, but at least they're together."
When Nabbie applied to sponsor his wife, he did not realize that out-of-country applicants are not allowed to visit Canada while their request is under consideration.
Last night Maxx got my hopes up with his posting under the other Visa thread. Now this articule has dashed it. I am worried now :huh:
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Rhonald ... at least you know what you're up against so you can better prepare yourself for the interview process. All news, good or bad, can help you along the way ... much like this Forum.
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Rhonald when it comes in quickly you have the privilege of sticking your tongue at him. :icon_cheesygrin:
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Rhonald ... at least you know what you're up against so you can better prepare yourself for the interview process. All news, good or bad, can help you along the way ... much like this Forum.
I agree Chong, its just that when you have alot of emotion tied into the result, it becomes hard to stay focused and clear headed. I never liked rollercoaster rides, but sometimes the journey we take pluges us into undulations of extreme emotions.:s
Oh and by the way Chong, I have been enjoying reading your blog site and seeing the fantastic pictures you have posted. Keep it running
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http://www.immigration.ca/discussion2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35408&whichpage=57
A website that has plenty of information about people worrying in getting their wifes visa from the Hong Kong consulate.
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Rhonald , those news bulletin's scare me also . I'm sure Qing read's them too and hence worries more and more as the date get's closer . Hope it's not having to be with me .:-/
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Rhonald, just some news out of Calgary regarding ESL courses ... some genius is proposing that immigrants learn both English AND French ... Tabernac !!!
From the article, it seems that "Level 5" is the aim.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/664319
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WTF? Next they will be testing the rest of us on our french...maybe they will have to test the french on their English skills. What a country.
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But then it would be ESL and F..CK...oops FTL classes.
I just read the articule and it uses the word "OR" not "AND" so seems okay - just that they used French before the "or" and English after. I guess they were being politically alphabetically correct:huh: viva la other offical language.
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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf is a link that shows the guidlines that immigration officers are to go by for family class aplications.
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I had a chat today with a lady from Ciaris Immigration in Toronto where Martin and I got our Single's Certificate.
First the "Bad News" ...
Everyday the Hong Kong office processes 30 Canadian Immigration application interviews. The success rate is "2" out of 30. :exclamation:
Second, the "Good News" ...
We have to prepare as many documentation & photographs as possible. All questions are revelant ... even your favorite food, your spouse would have to know that kind of info. The interview is conducted in English but your lady is allowed to bring a translator. She should also answer back in English, if she can ... or at least try. An interview can last from 15 minutes to 45 minutes depending on the case.
A successful application can result in an approval in as little as 6 months.
The immigration advisor's advice : Prepare as dilligent as possible before submitting your app.
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IThe success rate is "2" out of 30. :exclamation:
This is only 7% success rate. If Hong Kong has a 48% rejection rate for applications, then I guess most successes come from people not needing interviews. Chong do you think you can ask your friend how many applicants get interviews? Also are the cases processed faster that do not require an interview?
What is unfair is that fake marriages can be arranged were the people just study from a crib sheet the basic information about likes and dislikes. Seems like interviews are given when they suspect fraud.
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For you guys in Ontario, there is a great company in the Toronto area that help you get your Single Certificate. They take care of all the running around. After you bring them all relevant paperwork (ie. divorce certificate) you have to sign everything in front of the lawyer that they provide. They take care of all the running around. Cost for me was $300 Cdn.
http://www.chiaris.ca
Did Chiaris also have everything translated for you, so that all you had to do was have the Chinese Consulate put their approval on the items? Oh, and did they also have the documents notarized by the provincial authority?
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Did Chiaris also have everything translated for you, so that all you had to do was have the Chinese Consulate put their approval on the items? Oh, and did they also have the documents notarized by the provincial authority?
They took care of everything. All I had to do was bring them the initial paperwork (Divorce papers, passport, license, etc). Then, after they translated it, I went back and signed everything in front of a lawyer that they provided. From there, they took it to the Ontario Government for their stamp of approval, then they took it to the Chinese Consulate.
I then, picked up the Single Certificate in their office right before enjoying dumplings at table 10 with Chong at the dumpling restaurant in the plaza next door. Total time for the certificate was two weeks from start to finish.
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They took care of everything. All I had to do was bring them the initial paperwork (Divorce papers, passport, license, etc). Then, after they translated it, I went back and signed everything in front of a lawyer that they provided. From there, they took it to the Ontario Government for their stamp of approval, then they took it to the Chinese Consulate.
I then, picked up the Single Certificate in their office right before enjoying dumplings at table 10 with Chong at the dumpling restaurant in the plaza next door. Total time for the certificate was two weeks from start to finish.
Thanks for the info Martin!!
I think that I'll give them a call next week. Do you mind if I use your name as a reference? And there was no other paperwork that you needed? Did you have to go to the Canadian Consulate at all in China for any paperwork?
If Chiaris services will make things easier, how can I say no? I am actually now planning on going to China in December before Christmas to get married. Hong is wanting to see me, and asked me to see her earlier than April. How can I say no to a beautiful woman that wants to marry me?
RC
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As you can tell RC, Martin's method was easier then mine. Also saves explaining compared to the amount of messages we exchanged. I was scratching my head trying to do it myself and figuring if I missed anything. If I knew of an agency here before I left for my trip, I would have done it the same way.
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How can I say no to a beautiful woman that wants to marry me?
RC , you can alway's ask one of us here ... to tell her " NO " . :angel:
Good Luck with all the paperwork and hope it will happen for you in December . Nice Christmas Gift for both of you .
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Good Luck with all the paperwork and hope it will happen for you in December . Nice Christmas Gift for both of you .
And remember - no boxing day returns allowed :sleepy:
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Just remember that the Single Certificate is only good for 6 months...so make sure you use it before it expires.
You will still need to make a trip to the Chinese Consulate to get your travel Visa. Here is their website address for the Visa section. http://toronto.china-consulate.org/eng/vp/
You can certainly use my name...or Chong's name...it was him that found the place. He has used their services as well.
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Guys, I just came back from the Consulate today. There was a guy in front of me who was sent away, because his passport only had 3 months remaining in it. I don't think he understood that the Chinese Government requires us to have 6 months left on our passport before expiry date.
Just want to give you the heads up on it.
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Hey Canadian guys...did any of you register your marriage when you got back to Canada? I tried to in Ontario, but was told it was not needed. Ontario recognizes foreign marriages, and therefore does not require a copy of the marriage certificate.
The reason i bring this up, is my wife was talking to the wife of another member...one from Sweden, and apparently he registered his marriage with the Swedish Government. My wife is in a tizzy because our marriage is not registered here in Canada.
What do you think?
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Martin same boat - Canada recognizes our little red books so I never bothered registering it here. You still travelling south of the border? down Mexico way ( now I have that song stuck in my head)
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I am in Chicago right now.
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I was talking to an immigration lawyer today in Montreal. i learned a few new things. From what she told me, when you walk in to the interview, you are facing someone who believes your marriage is a fake. You have to prove them wrong. For some reason, letters from grandparents stating that the marriage is real, holds a lot of merit. Not sure why grandparents over anyone else.
In the interview, things could get very personal. They have been known to ask things like what is your husbands favorite sexual position. I was a little surprised by this one. So maybe a heads up to your lady might be in order. Sounds more to me like some civil servant is trying to get his jollies.
She said it would look really good if you can be there at the interview...but failing that, be able to provide a phone number where the officer can reach you.
For those planning parenthood, do not get your wife pregnant before this process starts. For one, the medical includes an x-ray...and if x-ray can not be done due to pregnancy, then the medical is considered incomplete, and therefore, she is rejected for coming to Canada. Also, if you have a child, that adds another person to the application, and the process takes a little longer.
This is what I have found out today. Of course, I will provide more information as it comes my way.
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So maybe a heads up to your lady might be in order.
Heads up?....my head always comes up for my lady.....Oh :blush: you're talking about alerting us....sorry, I miss understood you, but 4 months and I really miss my wife.
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It's only been 4 months? I am almost at 5 myself. I will be almost 7 before I see her again. Hard to believe we have been apart this long. You must be very excited to be getting back again.
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You must be very excited to be getting back again.
yes and
Hard
as well :icon_cheesygrin:
Yes Martin every day seeing each other on webcam - I know I don't have to explain to you as you have also suffered the same fate.
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I was talking to an immigration lawyer today in Montreal. i learned a few new things. From what she told me, when you walk in to the interview, you are facing someone who believes your marriage is a fake. You have to prove them wrong. For some reason, letters from grandparents stating that the marriage is real, holds a lot of merit. Not sure why grandparents over anyone else.
In the interview, things could get very personal. They have been known to ask things like what is your husbands favorite sexual position. I was a little surprised by this one. So maybe a heads up to your lady might be in order. Sounds more to me like some civil servant is trying to get his jollies.
She said it would look really good if you can be there at the interview...but failing that, be able to provide a phone number where the officer can reach you.
For those planning parenthood, do not get your wife pregnant before this process starts. For one, the medical includes an x-ray...and if x-ray can not be done due to pregnancy, then the medical is considered incomplete, and therefore, she is rejected for coming to Canada. Also, if you have a child, that adds another person to the application, and the process takes a little longer.
This is what I have found out today. Of course, I will provide more information as it comes my way.
Good information Martin. Thanks.
Rhonald, are you using an immigration lawyer?
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Rhonald, are you using an immigration lawyer?
No - I filled out the information myself and my wife had a friend help at her end. Although my wife used the same lawyer we used when we had my single status document translated for registering our marriage. The Chinese lawyer notarized and translated into English my wife's birth certificate, our marriage certificate (red book), her passport, and Hakku.
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Martin, I am just curious, the lawyer you spoke to in Montreal, is it the firm I suggested to you a while back? Robinson Sheppard Shapiro? (RSS)
This is the firm that I used, I really had excellent service with them. My immigration stuff is all done now, and my wife has already passed her interview at the Canadian Embassy in Beijing back in August and was accepted for the visa to Canada. We are just waiting for the visa to arrive, this should be in about 6 weeks, then she will be flying to Canada, so she should be her by late October, early November. It has been a long wait, but the waiting is almost over for us.
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Yes Bob...this is the one that you suggested. Thank you. I will keep all you CDN guys posted about how this process goes with this firm.
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We are just waiting for the visa to arrive, this should be in about 6 weeks, then she will be flying to Canada, so she should be her by late October, early November. It has been a long wait, but the waiting is almost over for us.
Congrats Bob. I remember how frantic you were waiting that Sunday evening for the call. If your lucky, she can be here to experience her first Halloween. Best wishes for a speedy arrival.
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My wife today got a letter from the Hong Kong office asking for her passport. Her application is ready for approval and visa issuance.
2009 Timeline:
1. Married on April 7th
2. Send application to Immigration Canada on June 13th
3. Received letter from Immigration Canada stating application sent to Hong Kong Office on July 15th
4. Hong Kong office requested police records on August 31
5. Permanent resident application appears to be ready for approval and visa issuance letter on September 24th
I was surprise it was approved this quick and no interview required. I was expecting the approval to be sometime next year and an interview.
Note: I didn't use a lawyer as most people told me it was a waste of money unless the application is rejected. Just take your time filling out the application and sending the required documentations.
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WOW! That was fast! I hope we can all get processed at this speed.
Prior to getting married...or prior to submitting your paperwork to CIC, how many times did you visit? How much proof did you provide of your relationship?
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I visited my wife in October 2008 and again this year for our marriage. I submitted about 12 photos of us together, Skype phone records, MSN chat logs, phone cards before I used Skype, travel receipts, hotel receipts, gift receipts and a copy of our notarized marriage documents. My documentations was on a whole lot maybe around 1 lbs total mostly from the chat logs and phone logs. I started saving my chat logs around September of last year.
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Just curious...what province do you live in? I am only asking because I think most the Provinces and Territories are the same with the exception of Quebec. I think Quebec has other steps involved.
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4. Hong Kong office requested police records on August 31
5. Permanent resident application appears to be ready for approval and visa issuance letter on September 24th
I was surprise it was approved this quick and no interview required. I was expecting the approval to be sometime next year and an interview.
Wow, WOW, did I say WOW? That is fast. I am envious. I never used a lawyer and Hong Kong recieved our files June 18th. Still no word for us. You must have done something in a previous life worthwhile. Congrats for you and your wife.
Oh did you ever check your status through immigration Canada, and if you did, does it reflect your current status?
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I live in Vancouver. I didn't check the status through immigration Canada but my wife forward the email sent to her by the Consulate in Hong Kong to me to translate for her the instructions. She's going to courier her passport today and will get the passport back with the visa within 10 days.
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Heckerd,
Congrats :icon_biggrin:
What city / province is your wife from ??? ... Did you two meet through a dating site or personal introduction / matchmaker ???
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Heckerd,
Congrats :icon_biggrin:
What city / province is your wife from ??? ... Did you two meet through a dating site or personal introduction / matchmaker ???
Chong - watch out for the wet spots on the concrete floor :-/
I live in Vancouver. I didn't check the status through immigration Canada but my wife forward the email sent to her by the Consulate in Hong Kong to me to translate for her the instructions. She's going to courier her passport today and will get the passport back with the visa within 10 days.
Thanks for the information. I see you also posted on the immigration website. Is their assumption correct, that your wife is from Hong Kong?
Wow, did I already say that?
I think I have to ask my wife if she has checked her post box, she is bad for only visiting it once every couple of weeks. But I am very certain no news will be the result. Oh well, still once again congrats.
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I replied to the immigration website. My wife is from Hunan and currently lives in Shenzhen. I just checked immigration Canada website and her status was in progress with medical records received.
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I replied to the immigration website. My wife is from Hunan and currently lives in Shenzhen. I just checked immigration Canada website and her status was in progress with medical records received.
Thanks Heckerd for checking. You gave me some good intel :idea:
Our status still just says processing recieved files June 18th. Your information tells me that they are behind in posting the status of files on the CIC web site. I expected this. Seems strang for us. My wife also lives in Shenzhen, born from the Guangdong province. When she recieved her original letter from the Hong Kong embassy stating the arrival of her documents, they also requested her to redo some more medical test. CIC still doesn't say anything about recieving her medicals :icon_confused:
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Good news indeed. Congratulations. This story has raised my hopes bigtime.
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Good news indeed. Congratulations. This story has raised my hopes bigtime.
Don't lick your lips too much in anticipation Neil, because you might make them melt away.
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Good news indeed. Congratulations. This story has raised my hopes bigtime.
Don't lick your lips too much in anticipation Neil, because you might make them melt away.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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OK...so which cdn that did it himself wants to do the step by step of what all is required, and in what order?
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I think my wife got her passport back after sending it to the consulate in Hong Kong. She got 2 letters date October 5 from Hong Kong but didn't get it until the 13th due to the post office being closed for the whole week due to National Day. She's going to check the post office tomorrow. Not sure what the letters say until she scans them to me.
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Lets keep our fingers and toes crossed for you Heckerd.
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My wife got her passport back along with the immigration papers for her to enter Canada. The letters were just from the post office telling her to pick up her package. She would have gotten her passport earlier if she check her mailbox daily but thought they were going to deliver the passport to her. They send my documentations which I submitted back when I applied back to her along with her passport. Time to look for some flight tickets for the end of November or first week of December to give my wife time to get her stuff organize back home, getting her apartment rented out, go back home to visit the family and friends before leaving etc. Canada immigration website updated her status to "decision made".
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Congrats mate..I hope you will be very very happy:icon_biggrin:
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Just a quick update here, but also will go over again in more detail on my Hunt for Red October thread. My wife was interviewed for 1.5 hours by the Shenzhen Police department as a background check for her visa application. This is the first time I have heard of the police doing a detailed interview.
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Rhonald me to.Come to think of it.Iv'e never heard of the Chinese police doing anything.Except tacking bribes and ridding around with there lights on.
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Rhonald,
This probably came about for exactly the reason Maxx gave above. (don't do anything!!) When asked to do a background check, they found black holes where the data hadn't been filled in. So rather than an interview as such, it was a means for the police to fill those black holes in for there own benifit, and nothing to do any Visa background check.
I've personally heard of this happening to many Chinese citizens, when applying for this or that, It's there way of covering up there own deficiencies and getting there records up to date. Anyone that knows how the authorities keep track of the population, will know that everything is recorded, and i do mean everything!! It's just that sometimes these records are not kept up to date, because of lazy officials within the police depts.....
David.....
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OK...so I am a little stumped. Does my wife get the medical check before I submit the application, or do i submit the application, and then CIC sends her some papers to go see a doctor?
Also, same question goes for criminal check.
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OK...so I am a little stumped. Does my wife get the medical check before I submit the application, or do i submit the application, and then CIC sends her some papers to go see a doctor?
Also, same question goes for criminal check.
Martin it is a police report check, and yes both this and the medical needs to be done. Then she sends you the documents for you to file with the rest of your stuff. One of her forms has the document she needs to take to the doctor that does the check up. Guanzhou has an accredited doctor there for her. I will try finding you the link on this info. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/3903e.pdf
The Document Checklist is a reference list that helps ensure that you attach all required documents to
your sponsorship application. Missing documentation will slow down the processing of your
application and could result in it not being processed or being refused.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/3900E.pdf from our guide page 23
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I only submitted the medical when I sent the application to Mississauga. You can submit the police records later as they will ask for it when your application is almost done processing in Hong Kong or Beijing. Depending on which office is handling your case your police record might expire and will be required to get a new one before they finalize the visa.The police record must be from your wife's hukou location. If she works in another city she must make a trip home to get the police records.
When your wife get her medical examination the doctor will ask her which office to send the medical forms to. Tell her to choose Beijing because where your application to be process will be base on where the medical records are sent unless your wife is from Guangdong, Fujian and Hainan provinces then she got no choice but to go the through the Hong Kong office but which province your wife is from will be base on her hukou.
Beijing office process most of their cases in about 3-4 months. Hong Kong is about a year or more for most people unless she's lucky.
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I'm curious about something. How is where the application is submitted determined? Is it where she lives or where her "home city" is? For example, say she lives in Beijing, but works in...Xiamen (Fujian). When you submit the application, is that to Beijing or Hong Kong?
Wish they would just simplify this processing...
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UPDATE: Just found it...they could make their FAQ pages more organized....but that said, it's where they live...
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Basicly if her hukou is register under Guangdong, Fujian or Hainan provinces she got no choice but to go to Hong Kong. All others are Beijing but Hong Kong will process them also since they might be working in one of those provinces.
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the canada process seems even worse than the one for the USA
wow even more red tape
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In some ways it is...but I don't think we have to prove income, unless the wife is bringing a child along as well.
At least they don't make us fill out the application in French and English.
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Information on getting a 'Police Certificate' is posted under the thread "Kaiping News", post # 30. Total cost for me was 1,699 RMB.
January 4, 2010 ... Sunny & her sister went to the doctor's office at the Zhu Jiang Hospital in Guangzhou while my sister [Shirley] and I checked into our hotel. It's one of many pre-approved Canadian doctor's office. When I called to say that I'll be on my way to the hospital, it wasn't necessary. Sunny was going to be done soon. We knew that we didn't have to make an appointment but we didn't know that it would be that quick. In a hour, Sunny had given a blood & an urine sample, had her blood pressure, chest x-ray and external body examination, eye examination and answered all revelant medical questions. Total cost was 1,450 RMB. She had to submit 6 head & shoulder photos. Now we have our 'Medical Report' that we have to submit with Appendix 'C'. :icon_cool:
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Chong: just Sunny had to do the medical right? not you as well?
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Chong: just Sunny had to do the medical right? not you as well?
That is right, just the girl needs the medical done. But Chong does like it when the doctor tells him to - cough :sleepy:
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sounds just like what u need for the usa visa also but 1450 rmb wow
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sounds just like what u need for the usa visa also but 1450 rmb wow
Thats about how much my lady paid, and the medical is only valid for a year. With 80% of visas taking 14 months to be processed from the Hong Kong embassy, many applicants need to repay for a new medical. :huh:
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sounds like both departments have it figured out
how to squeeze that few extra out of you by having
to get it done and pay again
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A couple things. First off, if anyone is writing to a lady, I would recommend printing emails daily, or even weekly. I just printed off 100 pages with multiple emails per page, and sized the text down. Half of these letters were only replies from the Mrs to my letters...not my letters to her. If I were to print my QQ conversations, I would be printing 1717 pages...and MSN would be 924 pages. Print often, and file it away.
I use a calling card called Nengda Tong. I picked it up in Markham at a store...surprisingly close to the dumpling restaurant that I like. I don't know where all this card is available. But I sent them an email today, and for a cost, they will print out a record of all calls made on any particular calling card. $1.00 per card, and an additional $1 to mail the statements...free to email. This is handy for documentation, and proof of relationship.
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Zhifang had her medical done today in Guangzhou. The doctor said she is healthy.so I get to keep her.
She just needs to sign her forms and mail me everything so that I can ship the completed package to CIC Mississauga.
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Apparently bringing a red envelope stuffed full of cash is not a requirement to getting your medical done. Zhifang was quite happy about this.
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At hospitals in Kaiping, a patient always gives red envelopes to surgeons/doctors ... to entice them to do a 'good' operation ... meaning ... "take care of me instead of treating me like every other patient ... be delicate in your surgical procedure, don't be rough ... etc etc".
Common amount is 200 RMB. Another RE if the doctor's children are in school. i.e. here's some money to help pay for your kid's tuition.
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Here's a weird business practice ... David50, you'll laugh at this or maybe not because you're aware of the practice ... In Kaiping's real estate construction industry, the hired builder is required to put the total amount of money UPFRONT then they have to wait one to two years to be paid for the job from the client. In most cases, because of shortgage of cash from the client, the builder has to sell the property to recoup his outlay or accept other possessions like cars, jewellry, apartments etc etc as payment. But it's the risk they take because profit margins in construction is huge.
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Not to far fetched. Here (and most of the US) before they start building condo's or even shopping centers, 20% of the units have to be sold before a bank will give a loan for building it? Down here there were three cousins that made it there business (amongst others) of buying units before the building was up. Once it was complete they got 3 fold the money back on the sale. Well they had some kind of falling out? It even made the papers. All the condo's that were slated to be built (including here where I live) came to a halt. Directly followed by the economy crash.
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This is the latest update from the Hong Kong Immigration blog site I follow:
Just got word from my MP after a request for case information: Hong Kong told them not to even start asking until after 14 months (they seem to think this is some sort of minimum now). 9 months and counting on one of the easiest cases they'll have to process ... good job Hong Kong!
He is just another irate Canadian. While I am now at 8.5 months and waiting so I guess I rate the processes as irate as well.
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WOW Rhonald. That sucks big time! Chong is just getting his app to go to HK soon as well. I can't believe how slow the process is out of there.
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http://www.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=265&PN=3&title=hong-kong is the new site
it migrated from the old one. Not too many people transferred over so this site does not get updated very often.
Chong asked for the link and Hong Kong recieved our documents June 18th. I was approved in 6 weeks time then from there it took a month for Hong Kong to recieve our documents forwarded by CIC.
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holy cow Rhonald its worse than the states
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To my knowledge, none of us have gone through this process yet...but maybe someone has heard...is it recommended that the women have a translator present with them during the interview?
Zhifang's English is good...sort of. I can understand her, but I doubt many others will understand her. I just know how she pieces the language together. In an interview, if it is to be in English, might prove to be difficult for the person giving it, and not being able to understand what she is saying. Or does CIC allow for the interview to be in Chinese?
On another note, do we know of anyone that has not had to go through an interview? Does this happen often? Rhonald, you might be the one to answer this, because I know you follow other forums pretty closely.
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To my knowledge, none of us have gone through this process yet...but maybe someone has heard...is it recommended that the women have a translator present with them during the interview?
Zhifang's English is good...sort of. I can understand her, but I doubt many others will understand her. I just know how she pieces the language together. In an interview, if it is to be in English, might prove to be difficult for the person giving it, and not being able to understand what she is saying. Or does CIC allow for the interview to be in Chinese?
On another note, do we know of anyone that has not had to go through an interview? Does this happen often? Rhonald, you might be the one to answer this, because I know you follow other forums pretty closely.
From the one old form I read - they recomended that if asked, she should say she wishes to do it in English. If she is asked if she will work once arrived to Canada, the best answer is to say "NO' that she will live with her husband and take care of him.
Most couples do not require an interview. Usually one is requested if they have some doubts. Did not one former member from this site say that his wife had an interview and he was waiting by the phone here for Beijing to call in case they would ask him so questions? It could have been the blog site I followed - but I am sure he posted here about it.
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I can't remember Rhonald. Thanks for the info. Not to upset you in anyway, but my wife was chatting with another woman on QQ. Her husband is a retired Mountie. Apparently, her case was processed in Beijing in 2 months.
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I don't remember seeing a reference to that.
That second question though kind of disturbs me... I want her to live with me (duh!) but these days it is impossible to have a single income family...
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MF...its just a question in the interview. Once she has her PR card, she can get a job if she so desires.
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There was a Heckerd that posted here saying his process was fast. I think he lives in Vancover. As to the not working tip - it usually get more mention from the USA blog sites so that they do not think the woman is just trying to get a greencard.
Remember that once she is granted her visa and she arrives then she can get a Social Insurance number and be aligible to work. The No answer is just for the interview.
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Martin:
True, however it sounds like a question from out of the 50's or 60's... that's the offensive part. I want my family (wife and myself) to be successful...business-wise and family-wise.
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MF-I talked to an immigration lawyer a few months ago. If you are concerned about offensive questioning, then this is the least of your concerns!
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:Soon it will all be over" was the thread title here of the other Canadian (Bob is his user name) I was referring to.
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Martin: What have you heard? Some perspective would be good.
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Was told by the immigration lawyer, that some questions could be about your sex life. These questions are not always asked, but they have been known to come up. Questions about frequency of intimacy...your favorite position...etc.
My wife was less than impressed when I warned her about this. I think this line of questioning is way over the edge of what I consider decent. But, I am sure this line of questioning only comes up when there is doubt. (that is my assumption)
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At that point, Zhifang or my wife or anyone else's wife should start quoting Pierre...
That's downright offensive.
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To my knowledge, none of us have gone through this process yet...but maybe someone has heard...is it recommended that the women have a translator present with them during the interview?
Zhifang's English is good...sort of. I can understand her, but I doubt many others will understand her. I just know how she pieces the language together. In an interview, if it is to be in English, might prove to be difficult for the person giving it, and not being able to understand what she is saying. Or does CIC allow for the interview to be in Chinese?
From the one old form I read - they recomended that if asked, she should say she wishes to do it in English.
I remember seeing in a forum someplace that under no circumstances should the interview be done in any language other than english. I remember seeing in the post that it is an automatic denial if you request it to be done in chinese. They will continue with the interview, but they will already have their mind made up.
I also remember the post saying that it was ok to have a translator present, just do the interview in english. I don't remember which forum it was though. I am just trying to confirm that I have seen this post too.
Dave C
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Dave sorry to interrupt you Jinadians.I'm the one that posted the statement about.The lady must do the interview in English.When I posted that it was for the Americans.I don't know if that is true or not for the Canadians.
I would check with a good immagration attorney in Canada to find out the right answer.
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Maxx...get the hell out of our thread. The Canadian Government turned down your application to become a Canadian! Quit trying to pretend like you are one of us, by hanging out in the Canadian thread! haha
Dave...it'd be really great to get that information, as Rhonald, Chong, and I could be looking at interviews in the next several months. I am not sure if any other cdn's are at this stage yet.
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i have heard from 2 people from the usa and they also asked personal
questions about their sex life so i guess it isnt a country related topic but
all countries might ask these questions which i think are irelevant but i guess
they seem to think they are above that???
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Ok guys, one thing to remember here is that our 2 GREAT nations are very similar. Usually what happens in the USA happens in Canada and vise versa. I would still request the interview to be done in english if I were the one being interviewed, especially if your english is fair. Why take a chance. Should you not show a genuine interest in the culture you are trying to emmigrate to? I would say that the far too personal questions that may be asked would happen in the relationships that look too questionable. The man is 57 and the woman is 23 say. I could see them asking some sexual questions in that type of relationship. My opinion on all of this about CIS interviews, spend the money and get an immigration lawyer. Follow his/her advise and think about your answers to the interviewer. I thought there was the option for us to be with them for the interview too. I personally would get my butt there and be with her, if I have that option. Take a personal family business leave from work. My employer before was very good about these type of leaves. I was not a model employee but I did not abuse their absentee rules. I know that some guys here may not have the finances available to just get up and go to china too. To spend several grand on a woman to receive a life of happiness is well worth it to me, even if I have to give up all the nice things in my life here. I can get them back later and even do this with her here. This is just my opinion. I am not trying to find fault with anybody here due to his/her financial situation either.
Dave C
Maxx...get the hell out of our thread. The Canadian Government turned down your application to become a Canadian! Quit trying to pretend like you are one of us, by hanging out in the Canadian thread! haha
Dave...it'd be really great to get that information, as Rhonald, Chong, and I could be looking at interviews in the next several months. I am not sure if any other cdn's are at this stage yet.
I googled the CIS web site and read as much as I could. I did this last summer. I don't have the exact web page but you could look it up and start reading. I think the other forum, chnlove forum, had given me the idea to look at the web site. I have not gone through this process yet. The woman I am involved with is chinese and living in Singapore. Being chinese she will have to go through this process, I'm sure. Friends of my parents, their son has been through this process. I don't know how long ago or even how old they are. I am waiting to meet them when my parents get back from florida. I have a lot of questions for them.
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These two posting is from the blog site I am following on applications from out of Hong Kong. The poster is King125 and he is at about 12 months on his time line. I thought I would share it with you.
POST 1
Seems to be a game now
We did receive this on Feb 2nd 2010.
"Hello Rob:
CIC contacted me this a.m. (Feb. 2nd , 2010) and said that on December 14th Su's case has now in interview que.
It will be brought forward to a unit – on March 4th.They cannot tell us when the interview will be, so keep close contact with Su .
She has received by letter the same information that I am telling you now.
If she is approved at the interview, she will have move forward with police clearance and medicals.
There won’t be any further updates until after March 4th, 2010 they say."
So now it is about 3 weeks since March 4th 2010 and stil have not heard a bloody thing from Hong Kong
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Hey, I just found the results of the aduit done on Hong Kong
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/audit/hong_kong.asp
Seems intresting and explains some of the delays which includes renovations, increase in applications, fraud
etc
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thats quite a interesting report i tried to find something similiar for
the states but to no avail
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Spent $1040 in immigration fees. My application is filled out completely. I just want to go over it carefully, to make sure I have signed everything, and then I will send it in to CIC-M later this week.
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I mailed my immigration package to CIC-M. Total cost was $18.18, for a package weighing 2.808 kg or 6.19 Pounds. Dimensions of the package were 48 cm X 36 cm X 11 cm.
So Chong, the race is now on. Last one to bring their wife over buys dumplings.
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I mailed my immigration package to CIC-M. Total cost was $18.18, for a package weighing 2.808 kg or 6.19 Pounds. Dimensions of the package were 48 cm X 36 cm X 11 cm.
So Chong, the race is now on. Last one to bring their wife over buys dumplings.
Courier or standard post?
And the first time both your wives are here, wo qing ke...
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Xpresspost through Canada Post. The package has already made it to Peterborough. I am tracking it online.
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That was fast... and considering it's Canada Post on a Friday... So as they saying goes...
And so it begins...
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I mailed my immigration package to CIC-M. Total cost was $18.18, for a package weighing 2.808 kg or 6.19 Pounds. Dimensions of the package were 48 cm X 36 cm X 11
Congratulations Martin!!
Seeing as you have all the information needed, and that you and your wife have been in constant contact throughout this whole process, your wishes, and that of your lovely bride, will come true very soon.
:icon_cheesygrin:
Best wishes for you both.
Rob
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I found a link giving a good print out of possible questions asked at an interview. http://www.ece.ualberta.ca/~jgill/documents/immi/interview_S_F_class.pdf
Also a person having his wife getting an interview from New delhi:
Topic: interview issues
Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 4:04pm
hey, i went to my wife's immigration interview on april 12 in new delhi. the lady who gave the interview said the visa will be denied. anyone going to new delhi for an interview please understand that the sponsor going to the interview plays no part at all in helping or hurting your case. my wife was taken in for her interview and asked questions for two hours. in that time lots of people were in and out, usually within twenty five minutes (there were maybe 8 interview rooms). i asked about four people, who had their sponsor with them, how the interview went and they didn't get the visa (add my wife to make five). two others were approved. one person without the sponsor present got approved and two without sponsor were denied (3/9 people asked were approved april 12 2010 new delhi between 8:45am and 10:45am). after my wife was interviewed i was interviewed for about half an hour. then we were both interviewed together for like forty five minutes. also understand the people giving the interview look at you as basically guilty until you prove your innocence. i will give the examples of the denial which were told to us:
1. our marriage was not traditional, as it was out of love not arranged 2. my wife does not wear make up or jewelry 3. i am younger than my brother and he isn't married 4. we had no engagement party (my wife, her friend, my brother and i went to the taj mahal and a few temples for celebration) 5. our marriage ceremony was too small, we must be hiding something (my mom and grandfather came, most of my family had work and business to run, most of my wife's family were against our relationship) 6. if we weren't hiding something we would have waited until my family had vacation time (not sure why the lady was set on us hiding something but i barley managed to get my mom to come and i booked time off months early, is it more important that my other family members are at my wedding or me?) 7. i can't speak punjabi (i can, this lady had the weirdest accent) 8. age (i was 22 and my wife was 18 at the time of our mariage). hearing these made me angry and i started arguing with the lady conducting the interview. suggestion to everyone else don't lose your temper no matter what.
one very important thing i would like everyone to remember at any canadian government building, the charter of rights makes it mandatory that if you want to speak in english or french, you can not be denied the opportunity to speak in english or french. this was a big problem when i was interviewed. the lady asked if i speak in punjabi and i said i speak fine punjabi but i want to speak in english. she said no we will speak in punjabi. the lady had an unusual accent which was hard to understand (accents vary by region like english in canada, southern usa, or england). this made my replies to her questions make me sound really dumb. i am certain it compromised the outcome.
only after speaking to my consultant and lawyer after the interview did i realize my rights were stripped.
for my case i have had my lawyer contact the high commission in new delhi to see why this happened and what they will do about it. i also contacted my mp to let him know of the violation and he is looking into the matter while the immigration minister jason kenney hasn't replied to me. the lady who gave the interview was not an officer she was just someone in place to ask questions and advise the officer what course should be taken. i checked the cic website and it says decision made, so things don't look good. we are waiting for the letter or a response from new delhi.
this may not be the case for others, but know your rights, the person conducting the interview may be intimidating and they will push buttons, but there are limits to what they can say and do so you need to be informed before going in. if you want to know whats asked in the interview, it depends on how detailed your case is and where your interview is taking place. more information will mean more questions.
the website jessie gill put up http://www.ece.ualberta.ca/~jgill/C_I_I_Q/C_I_I_Q.html is probably a good page to practice with you spouse. these are general questions and there will be some specific to your case not on this list (i practiced with my wife and she said a lot of these were asked but most are things that should be known anyway).
i hope everyone elses cases go well.
good luck and thanks for reading.
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hey Martin - this link shows good results for Beijing processing of visa applications.
http://www.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PN=5&title=beijing-china-timelines
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Here's a question for you guys...I was looking around in the immigration forums and they list a CIC Scarborough... if there is such a place, why did Martin send to CIC Mississauga? Or does Scarborough handle a different region or is slower?
Just trying to figure this out.
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Um...don't know about CIC Scarborough...but the application guide I have is pretty specific. I was to mail it to CPC-M (Case Processing Centre-Mississauga). Maybe Scarborough is where they get other applications for other types of Visa's? Just a guess.
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i dont know a lot about Canadian laws for immigration but i was wondering if he
can start the process as an American and bring her to Canada were he is living?
do they allow that?? i was just wondering if this is allowed there as i am sure he is
not the only one in this situation.
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Yes, Mike's in a unique position. I'm sure there will be other complicated cases as well...for example, if Dave's (Bee) trip had been successful, she's a chinese citizen working in Singapore... who does Dave send the application to?
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yes i was wondering because he is an american so the papers need to go there and originate there
but after all said and done, does she go to the USA first then to Canada? seems like it might throw
a wrench in the process
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And is Mike applying to be a PR in Canada? Questions abound... I'm not sure how this would work.
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well it will be a lot of good info for others when you return and post
the findings. might even apply for me as i live in china and would one
day like to go back to the USA
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Still waiting for CPC-M to approve me. I have been following 2 different forums, and from what I see there, I should be getting a letter from them any day now.
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Heckerd here. Lost my password and the password on my email so this is a back up account. How long since you submitted your application Martin.
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CPC-M picked it up from Canada Post on April 19.
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I got a letter today from cpc-m. I have been approved as the sponsor. Our file is on its way to Beijing now.
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Congrats! Hopefully part 2 is a short one. :)
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Congradulations Martin.
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So you are coming to the end of the long journey Martin?, many congratulations buddy.
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Woo Hoo!!!! Congratulations Martin!
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Martin , that is great news . ;D
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Congrat's Buddy ! How are your chances for Zhifang to beat Chong and Sunny's arrival to Canada first ?
I see it now , Chong is sweating it ??? >:(
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Zhifang will be here long before Chong's wife. Beijing is pretty quik. I hope she will be here by August.
Chong, I will call the restaurant to tell them to start making extra dumplings. I plan to eat a lot that day.
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I think we're going to need to take tables 10, 11 and 12... ;D
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Martin even has a shot at beating my wife here as I figure I still have 2 to 4 months to wait.
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Congrats. Your wife should get the visa by the end of August. Beijing probably already have your file by the time you got that letter.
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Hmmmm .. very strange ? The CPC-M called my Work today and they are still checking your background . They calling back tomorrow . What should I tell them Martin ?
How many Dumplings are you offering me ?
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Hey Arnold!!!!....they called me too.......asking if I know a guy from the RED Planet
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I bet you guys think you are funny, don't you?
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Martin....you will most likely have the last laugh when you wife bets mine here. Untill then....anything goes?
I saw this from the Hong Kong website:
Quote ebrenchley
Report Post Quote Reply Posted: Yesterday at 11:55pm
FILE UNDER REVIEW
Is this standard terminology in Hong Kong? Just got a small update from the High Commission, and it said this:
"File is under review as to the authenticity of submitted documents. We expect the review to be completed shortly and will communicate with the applicant in due course.”
Does this mean the file is under review as part of the standard application process (one of the standard stages on the way to approval), or is the file specifically under review because they have a specific problem with the authenticity of our submitted documents?
Anybody have an angle on this perhaps?
Thanks!
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I guess he is sweating bullets now :( I, myself use humor to help ease the waiting so sorry if I used our fearless leader as a target for my joke.
Notch it up to envy that you get to go through Beijing.......on a side note.....I might be going to jolly old England for 2 weeks for training from my Company. If I go I will be rubbing shoulders with all those merry men near Sure Wood 4 est. 8)
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e-CAS has updated their system, and it shows that Beijing now has our application. As of June 10, they are processing our file.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oPuQ0Eijlj4/TBdyIkyoeMI/AAAAAAAACW0/mErFnQd1CB4/s1600/processing.JPG)
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I wish you a speedy processing Martin. We almost share a same date as our status shows 8 days later as June 18th - but 2009 for the year instead.
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I got a CC email from Beijing. They have requested Zhifangs passport.
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They have requested Zhifangs passport.
Is that good or bad? Do they want it to put the visa in it or somethings wrong?
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thats a good thing the process is getting to the end
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Martin yes that is real good news.It shouldn't be long now.
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And me....I get SHIT >:(
Just received a letter in the mail...progress yes...not a denial so some what good news.
But apparently I have to provide a RCMP certificate listing all charges and convictions I have had. The certificate must be accompanied by a written explanation of the circumstances of each conviction or charge. I have 90 days to send this certificate.
Except for a speeding ticket and an illegal left hand turn - and last I checked this was not criminal that has been my only brush with the stiff arm of the law.
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That's a really strange request! No wonder Hong Kong takes so long when they make silly requests.
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Well after getting off the phone from the RCMP I am told that instead I have to go to the Corp of Commisoners for this certificate.
You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the Twilight Zone[move]
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That's great news Martin! Hope that means that she'll be here soon.
Don't give up hope Rhonald. Have faith and you will be together soon...these are just trials to see how far you are willing to go...stick with it and you'll succeed.
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I got the Stick part alright mustfocus......its the carrot part I am hoping for. But this waiting game I think is their test to see if my Care Rots before they Stick it into my heart.
But anyways at least good news for Martin - I knew he was going to beat me - at least he did not beat me with a stick ;)
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:o Punny guy! Watch him scream!
In all seriousness though, you're nearly there. Just hold on a bit longer and you'll get your prize. If you lose faith, then things will eat at you. I've seen it happen too many times to good people.
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Rhonald, I've had requests like that too? Who, what? I don't have even a parking ticket? How am I suppose to fill out one of these sheets? and why?
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But apparently I have to provide a RCMP certificate listing all charges and convictions I have had. The certificate must be accompanied by a written explanation of the circumstances of each conviction or charge. I have 90 days to send this certificate.
Except for a speeding ticket and an illegal left hand turn - and last I checked this was not criminal that has been my only brush with the stiff arm of the law.
Rhonald,
Does the letter say "list all charges and convictions" or "list all criminal charges and convictions"? If it is list all charges and convictions then this includes the traffic offences. If it says criminal charges and convictions then the "sheet" you give them is blank with no "sheet" on it... sorry, I could not help myself. The list you get from the RCMP, or whom ever, will have no charges or convictions on it, if you don't have a record, but will be the official letter head with an embossed seal. This just shows them you have a clean record.
And almost forgot, Martin , Glad to hear the news! Won't be long now!
Dave C
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Dear Applicant,
I have now completed an initial assessment of your application for a permanent visa as a member of the family class. I have determined that you may not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Subsection 13(1) of the Immigration and Refuge Protection Act states that a Canadian citizen or permanent resident may, subject to the immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, sponsor a foreign national who is a member of the family class.
Section 133(1) of the regulation stipulates the following:
(1) A sponsorship application shall only be approved by an officer if, on the day on which the application was filed and from that day until the day a decision is made with respect to the application, there is evidence that the sponsor
(a) is a sponsor as described in section 130;
(b) intends to fulfil the obligation in the sponsorship undertaking:
(c) is not subject to a removal order:
(d) is not detained in any penitentiary, jail, reformatory or prison:
(e) has not been convicted under the Criminal Code of
(i) an offence of a sexual nature, or an attempt or a threat to commit such an offence, against any person,or
(ii) an offence that results in bodily harm, as defined in section 2 of the Crinminal Code, to any of the following persons, namely,
(A) a relative of the sponsor, including a dependant child or other family member of the sponsor,
(B) a relative of the sponsor's spouse or of the sponsor's common-law partner, including a dependent child or other family member of the sponsor's spouse or of the sponsor's common-law partner, or
(C) the conjugal partner of the sponsor or a releative of that conjugal partner;
Because I am not satisfied that your sponsor meets the requirements of subsection R133(1) you must provide an RCMP certificate listing all charges and convictions for your sponsor within 90 days of the date on this letter. The certificate must be accompanied by a written explanation of the circumstances of each conviction or charge.
I caution you that if you do not supply the above documents within the deadline I intend to refuse your application.
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Your Honour...I swear I did not have SEX with that woman....maybe her dress as it stains my heart :(
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I think I can sum this up in one word... HUH?
Do you have the name of this officer? I think the problem with immigration right now is that the government is not held accountable... If you could challenge the reasoning behind why they think you're not on the QT, I bet you'd have a quick approval...
Any idea how much this check and report will cost?
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OOHH.. I have the name signed on the letter.
And dam-it it I just finished writing how my day went going to the commissioners but I lost the post when I tried to post because of a new post added.
Apocalyptic or what?
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Damn Rhonald. This has to be infuriating. Especially after a year that they have had your application. I hope you can get this resolved quickly!
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Since as can been seen by the jest of the letter - the main reason for the criminal check is to do with child and/or family abuse.
When I showed up at the Corp of Commissioners this morning I meet with a commissioner that was Chinese. He was confused with my original request because he thought the letter was from the Hong Kong Police and not the Canadian Consulate. He passed me on to his supervisor who enlightened me on Judicial matters. The supervisor mentioned that quite often he gets this request from Mexico and the Philipines. However, this was the first time he had a request from Hong Kong.
He explained that certain people could have had a conviction and that later be granted a pardon on the so called family crimes. This pardon would make the crimes fall under the radar if a routine criminal check was done from a potential employer. Only if the job would require working with children that a more through check would be needed. This they call a "Vulnerable Sector Clearance" search. The consulates do not have the authority to conduct the search, thus the RCMP request.
Now he said that at one time the RCMP had the Corp of Commissioners do the search, but because of some foul up back east, The RCMP washed their hands of the business and now the local police department institutes the search. So off to the Calgary Police department I went while thinking on how I seem to end up first on my October trip and now, spending Hard time in Copper land. Penny for my thoughts... :(
Well the "Vulnerable Sector Clearance" search cost me $30 Cdn of cold hard cash and I am told that it will take 2 - 3 weeks to complete.
But I am now scratching my head - why the check. Sure she has a child, a boy of 16 years. But if she never had a child, she could as so often happens become pregnant. So in turn then every Male sponsor should have to under go a similar precaution. I for the Life of me try to think if any of my EMF's contained anything that would raise concerns from the Visa officer checking our application. But I can not think of something rotten in Dem-marks of writing.
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This would try the patience of a saint! Good luck my friend. I know they say good things come to those wait but this must drive you to distraction!!
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And to think - tomorrow I am off to Jolly Ole England to hang out in all places - Sherwood Forest :o
Maybe I am a bandit - specially if I wear a German Jersey with my Men In Tights tights 8)
I will be in Nottingham ( I swear I was not fondilling that porkchop) for 2 weeks training so I hope when I return the letter will be ready for me to send to Hong Kong.
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I was walking to the store this evening with my son and explaining to him what the Commissioner had explained to me about the VSC search. Then it hit me :o
I use to coach my son's soccer teams. He was always in a local community house league. But once he became older then 12, he had to join the city league. We have a policy here that for city leagues, the coaching staff has to undergo a similar VSC search. I remember having to do this in order to qualify to be a coach. If I remember right the fee was only 10 dollars as it was organised through our local soccer association.
So now I wonder that maybe, once a background search is everdone on someone in regards to this, a record is kept that a search was requested. Could it be that the consulate has seen that a search has been done in the past on me and it was this that raised a red flag for them? They are maybe trying to see what the search was for. If this is the reason, then what a kick in the squirrel food for being a decent parent.
And also VSC did not have such an esoteric meaning but simply stands for "valid security clearance" I just remember hearing the Commissioner mentioning about vulnerable sectors and thought this was what VSC stood for. :o Punny guy! Watch him scream!
In all seriousness though, you're nearly there. Just hold on a bit longer and you'll get your prize. If you lose faith, then things will eat at you. I've seen it happen too many times to good people.
You are so right mustfocus I have to keep the faith I have to be.... Bruce Springsteen - Tougher Than The Rest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_91hNV6vuBY&feature=related#)
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That's perfectly possible. The most innocent things causing problems like this...or some overachieving immigration officer... I'm concerned that it took so long to get back to you on this...
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Rhonald,
I was going to suggest that it is quite possibly just a random spot check. But this other VSC check you had done could have been the trigger for another check. If you have been a good boy and not done anything wrong, just don't worry and get whatever documentation they want. I would not worry if I were you.
Dave C
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An update on the Beijing Internet Case Status Request page. It is now saying Code 2-In queue for interview, not yet scheduled.
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not sure about canadian procedure but im sure they have a fast and simple way of checking this as to why it was done or who
requested it. and i am sure that it would not hurt you at all in the process and if anything shows a positive thing
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An update on the Beijing Internet Case Status Request page. It is now saying Code 2-In queue for interview, not yet scheduled.
Does this mean she is going to be scheduled for an interview Martin?
Dave C
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I'm curious about something. What is the point of asking for a passport if they haven't approved the person? And if they get it, do they look at the travel history of the person and factor that into whether to let them in?
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I'm curious about something. What is the point of asking for a passport if they haven't approved the person? And if they get it, do they look at the travel history of the person and factor that into whether to let them in?
This is quite possible, although I have been to a couple countries that did not stamp my passport. I think it is more because they want to have it to examine it to make sure it is not forged. And then to attach the visa to it when approved. Just my thoughts on this. :)
Dave C
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That may be the case, however, logically, it would make sense to have the interview first.
I hope that the passport can be done afterwords in my case. My lady has to travel outside of China for her job. So a passport is kind of necessary.
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I think you nailed it Dave...at least, that's what I assume...they make sure its not a fake. My guess is, they request the passport before they get too far along. They don't always want an interview. And with Beijing being one of the fastest Visa Office's in the world, it makes sense to just ask for it right away. I think.
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Zhifang and I both got an email today from the Canadian Embassy in Beijing. She has an interview scheduled on August 23 at 08:00 AM.
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Martin that sounds like good news.But you neve know with Canadian immagration.I'm hoping for the best for you and Zhifang.
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Congrats Martin. Was rooting for Zhifang to get a closer interview time, but that'll do.
Was the interview time chosen by her? Or was it selected by the embassy?
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It was picked by the Embassy from what I can tell.
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Almost there Martin, best of luck to you both , I am sure it will be fine and she will be there with you soon in Snowland.
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Ah well...
Which reminds me...got to call the dumpling restaurant and make sure they reserve some for the big party. 8)
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Did somebody say dumplings?!?!?
Dave C
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well that sounds terrific Martin August 23 for the interview. will it be in Guangzhou? if so lets have dinner there the four of us.
not sure about the canadian embassy but by the USA embassy there are really great prices on flights abroad that you can book
maybe you can check it out and get her one for august 24 that would be great for the two of you
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There is no Canadian visa office in Guangzhou. She is being processed in the Beijing Embassy.
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i see well i thought i would offer. in bejing now and i am about 2 miles from your embassy here staying at the hotel
ive walked past it 2 days ago going to a place to see they have a big sign on one side advertising the summit that
was there
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Great news Martin..
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I was in England for 2 weeks so haven't posted much. Also feeling ba hum bug since I am still waiting for the Police report to be sent back to me to forward to Hong Kong. The Police department said 2 to 3 weeks for it to be done. Tomorrow will mark 3 weeks as I wait on something to send in-order to wait for something else. This endless wait is a great weight on my spirit. Heavy thoughts amass as I try to handle the gravity of the situation and not let my heart get sucked into a black hole of despair. :-[
And if you think I have it bad....check out this poor soul.
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Seriously, just got the same darn letter (word for word) and I'm scratching my head. I'm an even more extreme case: wife and I in mid-20's, never previously married, no kids, etc... never worked in a "vulnerable sector" job. Holy crap this sucks.
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oh yeah, just got off the phone with my local police department in Canada. They said I physically needed to be there to get this damn check done. Kind of hard considering I'm in China.
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Chin up Rhonald!,
Yes there's always someone worst off than yourself but I'm not sure if that helps at all! Try to keep your eyes on the prize my friend, there is light at the end of the tunnel its just the train is going a little slowly at the moment. Bureaucracy is wearing to the soul at the best of times but especially when we perceive it as pointless, but what can you do but wait it out. You know it will be worth it in the end. Maybe your just feeling low because you've had to spend 2 weeks in the UK,I know that would do it for me!!!!!!It could be worst you know,there might be hats involved!
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Yeah, you could've ended up with a gold digger like mine :)
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Toronto Star newspaper wrote today in an article that CIC processed 45,000 spousal immigrations in 2009 of which AT LEAST 1,000 were frauds.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/836957--fastest-way-to-get-to-canada-marriage (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/836957--fastest-way-to-get-to-canada-marriage)
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This guys story got me. I can't imagine what else wasn't said in the story.
Evan Wilson, 36, of St. Thomas, Ont. met Yaemin Garcia Gonzalez 23 while holidaying in Havana in September 2008.
They were married in Havana in December 2008, her young daughter by her side.
He says the two government agencies don’t care that she was charged with prostitution in 2005 and 2007 or that she circumvented the law here.
Ah, D'ah! It's right in his face and he didn't see it? And this part?
Gonzalez somehow wound up in Miami and then in Louisville, Kentucky. “She’s illegal there and they will deport her . . . but to Canada.
They won't deport her? She's Cuban. All immigration laws are bypassed for Cubans.
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Interesting article Chong. Makes me consider that maybe Hong Kong asks for the search as a secondary check to prevent fraud marriages. Because when the woman comes to Canada and she right away files those kind of sex abuse charges, then CIC has proof of previous history of the sponsor. If the sponsor never had that kind of history then less likely the charges are valid.
It's just a little disappointing that the way CIC words the letter they make it sound that you are guilty of something. If instead, they explained better their reasoning for the request, then less animosity would be created.
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You know I'm probably going to receive a life time ban for this.But sometimes you have to say what needs to be said.what are these people thinking.Thiere not thinking.They are letting thiere egos over rule common sence.You have got one guy who wife was a prostitute.Well duh.You know thiere is going to be a problem in the future.You got another guy who picks up a woman that is17 years younger then him.And this guy can't see the problem comming done the line.
I have a problem believing that all of these people got away with something like this.And thiere was no warning signs.Before they brought them to Canada.You know strange phone calls.Wierd answers to questions.Hesitation when answering questions.That is one of the reasons.I push for the face to face meeting.Instead of wasting months and months writing letters.
If you are face to face with the woman.You can see her reactions.To the questions.You can see how other people interact with the woman.You can see how the woman treats people and how she treats you.These are all big clues.Anybody can con anybody.The problem with running a con job of this kind is people cannot maintain it for long periods.Without slipping up.
I know when you go to a foreign country.You are dazzled with the bright lights.And the beautiful girl.But you need to step back and slow down and take a look.At what is going on around you.I'm really sorry.That this happened to these people.I know it does wreck families and lives.At the end of the day you do owe it to yourself and your family members to make sure this is the woman of your dreams
As far as Canadian immigration.Yes they do need to get off of thiere asses.And investigate the complaints.Instead of just filling the paperwork.
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Well the one guy was only 5 years older then the woman and his family knew the other family. And it is very difficult on only a few trips to get all the necessary information on someone else. It shows that for some countries it is easier to get a visitor visa, then once here the couple can take the time to see if the connection is genuine. It is just that some countries the only way to get the person over here is to marry them and be committed to support them. I wish it was easier to get temporary visa but that is not the case.
One problem I can see with temporary visas is that you could get another type of predator: imagine a guy that gets a temporary visa to bring some young girl here then after 6 months be tired of her and cancel the relationship. Then he is off to another country for his next conquest.
It just doesn't matter what type of setup the government tries, with devious minds circumvention will abound and the rest of us serious and honest people suffer the consequence.
Maxx you are right on some of the situations as the vast differences in age or health or previous history just scream scam. I read about one woman confined to a wheel chair who married and sponsored a man from India. Their original application was denied but after a year in appeal he was granted a visa. He arrived in Canada, phoned her that she would never see him again and took off. :-[
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Rhonald, that last story was on the news last week. Their original application was denied, so she filed an appeal. They won the appeal. Apparently he phoned her from the airport when he arrived, and told her the relationship was over. I believe the police are involved now.
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Well after 4 weeks I finally got my Police Clearance Certificate. And just as I thought...except for missing my wife....I am not a HARDEND criminal.
But the letter does have me scratching my head. I thought the whole reason for this Police search was to see about a Vulnerable Sector Search and the letter states:
A search based on the above name(s) and birthdate has not disclosed a record of criminal convictions in Canada's National Repository for criminal records. Calgary Police Service local indices and the Alberta Court indices have not disclosed other relevant information. This search was conducted from identification and information provided by the applicant and not through submission of fingerprints.
This is to confirm that a Vulnerable Sector Search (Pardon Sex Offenders Records) has not been completed.
Note: Vulnerable people are individuals who are at greater risk of being harmed than the general population, because of age, disability, handicap or circumstances, whether temporary or permanent, by persons in a postion of authority or trust relative to them as is authorized under the Criminal Records Act.
If this Police Information Check is being disclosed by the applicant for employment or volunteering and will be dealing with the Vulnerable Sector, the above must attend the Police Information Check Unit and obtain another Police Information Check with a Vulnerable Sector search completed.
So I will be sending the document to Hong Kong and also emailing a scan of it with a question if this is all that is needed. I only have 90 days to send the document and if they want the more detailed Police check then I already have had 1 month go by. Ah Bureaucracy...don't you love it :o
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So what exactly does this all mean? Do they need a criminal record search, or a vulnerable sector search? Will Hong Kong accept this search? I hope you are nearing the end of your process.
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Rhonald like Martin. I'm a little confused.What does it mean and will this work
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sounds similar to what they have in the USA. if you want to coach or teach kids there is some other kind of report
they need so that they know your not a danger to hurt them or other things. China is just interested in the other one
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Remember Ted - it is not China with the request but Immigration Canada that requested it. I have coached before and I do not remember the Police clearance certificate being worded the same way as this. Of course being the Government - the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing - Immigration specifically request a RCMP certificate but the RCMP does not do this anymore. The Corp of Commissioner (retired ex military and police officer) that use to do this for the RCMP directed me to the local Police for the background check. The commissioner told me to insure that the Police knew I needed a Vulnerable Sector search which I did. And as I wrote above - the Police state that the VS was not completed.
But then I also think you are right Ted about what I have is enough. The Consulate stated that I needed to provide an "RCMP certificate listing all charges and convictions" and in turn I have a Calgary Police certificate listing all my criminal convictions and charges. My frustration is that I was led to believe I need a VS clearance certificate and until I hear back from Canada's Consulate in Hong Kong, I will not know. Mushrooms anyone?
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No wonder People just hop the Border , then to go through all this Paper crap . China -- Russia -- Alaska -- Canada route looks almost better . >:(
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i was told by ICE during my meetings with them about an immigration fraud i had, that the chinese are the worst for this
as 6 out of 10 applications are under false pretenses which is what makes them scrutinize these applications more carefully.
it didnt deter me from still seeking a chinese lady but i just thought that was an interesting statement as i would not have
thought the worst abuses were from here, but i guess you just never know.
and before someone goes off the deepend REMEMBER this is what i was told in the ICE office in SAN FRANCISCO when i
had my face to face meeting with them, in regards to the charges i filed.
but as Arnold said some of the honest ones who just want to come here try it the other way by crossing borders or paying
someone to bring them rather than do all that is required to get here. they usually get to stay after they are caught as the
USA rarely deports long distances. seems the only regular peortations are to Mexico which is just a bus trip usually.
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I am not really sure what an ICE office is, or why it is in the Canadian immigration thread. We get enough ICE from late November until late March...we don't need any imported from the USA. Please stick to the topic, and keep country related information to the specific country...ie:ICE=USA Immigration process.
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Ok Martin now im going to have to get the Zhongshan Bandit to deal with you if you dont relax hahahaha
i was just answering Arnolds post of jumping the borders
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In just over an hour, my wife has her interview in Beijing. I will let you know how it goes.
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Good luck to you and your wife Martin. Hopefully everything will go well. You deserve it.
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She was approved!!!
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Congratulations! So now how long before she's here?
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;) Toot the Horns. Congrats Martin as I wish the best for both of Ya.
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Martin,
Congratulations!! You must be happy and she must be relieved! When does she get here? ;D
Dave C
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Congratulations Martin! I'm very happy for both of you.
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That's not a step closer, that's a giant leap ;D. Fantastic news for you both
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Congratulations Martin and Zhifang.May this be everything you both dreamed about.And hoped for.
I almost forgot.Now you get to start with your own thread.Like me and Arnold did.I have a name for it picked out already.We can call it Daily life of a Married Jinadian
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congrats to the both of you
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Yes .. great news Martin , now it's the time to buy Winter clothes for Zhifang . Remember it's cheaper in Beijing as down south .
Congrat's again from Qing and myself to both of you .
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Shit, ... I lost the dumplings lunch wager.
Congrats ... what questions did they ask her ... besides ... "Why on earth did you marry Martin?" & "Do you like the nickname 'Z Groot The Boot' ?
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Well I am online checking CIC website and see that my wife is scheduled for an interview November 2, 2010. So I guess I will be travelling to China at the end of October as to increase our chances of a succesfull interview. Since I hear that Hong Kong has a 40% rejection rate I want to make sure to be on the good side of that percentage.
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Stay positive, that means there's a 60% pass rate ;D
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It is about time you have an interview date. Think positive. I am sure you will have success. Maybe we will have to plan a get together after your wife arrives.
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Rhonald , I've heard that HK had that 40% in July this year already combined .. so all is smooth sailing till next year .
Go anyway , remind them of this fact and bring your Pipa .
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Well guys from the web site I am following for Hong Kong has another man have his wife pass the interview. They said she needed to redo her medical but that she had to wait for the form that would be mailed to her. They would not give her a form there. Also it seems that once the medical is done that the average wait time is still another 2 to 3 months before the request to send in the passport. So I don't see my wife's arrival now until maybe February >:( , that is once she passes her interview in November.
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Holy frig....this is stupid! How can this consulate not provide a medical form for her? Could you not send her out to get another medical done?(Available on the CIC web site I think) Then when she passes her interview, and tells her she needs a new medical done, she can reach into her purse and hand it to the official. Then she can hand them her passport as well (Hopefully). Hong Kong seems to be run by another country...I can't believe the difference from them to Beijing.
Hang in there buddy...it will be over eventually.
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The guy whose wife had the interview on Sept 13 said she had talked with someone else who had passed their interview in June and was there to finally pick up there passport. Another experienced member said that it did seem the norm 2- 3 months after the interview before the passports got the required visa.
At this rate I might just plan on waiting untill springtime when I can take holidays, since the first quarter is our busiest time, and bring her back then. Gees 2 years since out marriage registration before I can officially have her as my wife here :(
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That's a long long time my friend! :( I can understand your frustration at this turn of events, seems like there pretty much a law unto themselves in Hong Kong. Every time you have the end in sight they come up with another reason to extend the whole thing. Not giving out a form is just ridiculous.... Hang in there :)
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I am really sorry to hear this frustrating news. I just don't understand how they operate. When you pass your interview in Beijing, you get your passport back that same day. To say that this is silly is a huge understatement. Is there anything you can do...like talk to your MP? You don't happen to be in the riding of Calgary-Southwest are you? If you are, you have the most powerful MP...maybe he can do something for you.
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Rhonald I feel for you my friend.I can't beleave they have ben jerking your Chain going on 2 years.I think I would do what Martin suggested.Who knows it mite help.
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Well guys from the web site I am following for Hong Kong has another man have his wife pass the interview. They said she needed to redo her medical but that she had to wait for the form that would be mailed to her. They would not give her a form there. Also it seems that once the medical is done that the average wait time is still another 2 to 3 months before the request to send in the passport. So I don't see my wife's arrival now until maybe February >:( , that is once she passes her interview in November.
Now this Woman passed the interview , but her medical paper's (were out of date ? ) and had to redo them . What has that to do with your Wife Rhonald ? Are her's outdated too ? She still has what two months before the Interview , why not ask for a Form ( if needed ) and she'll get it in time for another Exam and take those with her . Do I have this right ? If yes , I'd go for it now .
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Guys I am just forcasting my own time period. The guy who had his wife's interview on Sept 13 uses the name King125. He has his timeline at almost 3 months ahead of mine. It was his wife that was told about the medical redo and having to wait for the mailed form. I know my wife's medical has already expired and I wouldn't mind having her, as Martin suggest, to redo one now so it is ready. Its just that as the other blog site mentions, the Hong Kong consulate frowns on preemptive decisions on our part. They are a real Autocratic consulate that drive us crazy by their compassionate lack of common courtesy.
Since my wife's interview is on Nov 2, I just added 3 months to that date to get an idea how much longer will be my timeline. And on Feb 12/2011 it will be our 2nd anniversary. Since I always wished to help her move here, if I do go I will not be able to plan another trip until our slow season in spring time. I was originally thinking that I would have a nice Christmas gift but with the Grinch that stole Christmas living in Hong Kong, well ........ it is no use for me to hang the stockings with care in hopes that my Saint Ziyan .... could be snuggled in bed.
And Arnold here before we submit our application, the applicant needs to do a medical. The medical results are only good for 1 year. Since almost all applicants are taking more then a year for Hong Kong, it necessitates re-dos on medicals.
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Rhonald,
im sure that everyone feels the same as i do, that is just an insane amount of time to have to wait. But i guess
you just have to wait it out for the end result. i just was wondering if the medical expires in a year and they know
its taking over a year why do they require them to do it so early??
Keep your spirits up were halfway thru sept and february is right around the corner. your almost done.
Oh and of course do they charge you for another medical?? Or is it on them because of the time frame. I
think i know the answer to this but thought i would ask anyway
Ted
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Oh and of course do they charge you for another medical?? Or is it on them because of the time frame. I
think i know the answer to this but thought i would ask anyway
Ted
Ted, Ted, Ted...This is the Canadian Government we are talking about here. Of course they will not pay for another medical. That would almost be a nice thing to do, and niceness doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of the federal civil servants. I just think Hong Kong is ridiculous in how they operate. Maybe the Ambassador from Beijing should drop in, and start kicking some asses.
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Martin---- you stand corrected --- the ambassador from china---- not Bejing >:(
i just think if your government let Mike in so fast why is it taking everyone else so long
oh i dont believe i just said that ??? ??? ???
no i agree its just a big waste of time and money that they make you do and i thought
the usa was bad no comparison
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The policy for having to do medicals before sending in the complete application package is a global condition. From most places in the world the process is less then a year - such as Beijing. But some places are a time sink such as Hong Kong, Central America;
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spouses.asp (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/international/05-fc-spouses.asp) gives you the short & unsweet view of our turmoil of time.
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And they might even let you stay longer after that, if you learn to say "eh?"
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Rhonald, I hear that a congratulations is in order! Congrats to the both of you.
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Really?!? That's awesome. I'm very happy for you Rhonald!
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If that is true Rhonald congratz. I know the two of you are excited.
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congradulations Rhonald.I know it has ben a long Waite.
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Rhonald
Well done...many felicitations and congratulations.
But your success is no excuse for not posting here in the future...I need the grammar and composition lessons ;D ;D ;D
David
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Congratulations Rhonald, you must be over the moon.
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If it were me I wouldn't be talking either. To much celebration. Also I would be trying to figure out how to get the house clean while I was still away with my bride. ;D I'm sure Ron had that done before he left.
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Great news Rhonald ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hey Rhonald,
Haven't had an update from you in a while and it's nearly Feb. Any word from the consulate?
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I have posted a link to an immigration blog site I follow. The last 2 pages are the current ones. The main guys I am following up after is King125, BabyNSX, and ebrenchley.
King125 is who I follow most closely because I usually get my updates a month after him. His wife's redo medical was sent early October and still he has not heard back from the consulate. As he mentions on the blog site - his MP stated that his file has a bring forward date of Jan 15th, so he will probably hear something soon. So for me I figure maybe early February.
The other two persons also have interesting developments with their cases that has DRAMA pulling at their own heart strings.
To be honest, why I don't post to much lately, well if I think too much on my situation I just get angry.
http://www.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=265&PN=22&title=hong-kong (http://www.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=265&PN=22&title=hong-kong)
Thanks for asking anyways - but shouldn't your focus be directed somewhere else? You have a trip to entertain us with. 8)
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I have been following King125 and BabyNSX as well (I have that forum in my RSS feeds so when there is a post, I see it). I really feel for you guys. I just thought you might have some additional info (that and as I am away from my main computer, I haven't been able to follow for the last several days).
Wonder if we could push for some reform... I think out of all the countries that have been represented in our forum so far, we have the most red tape...
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Well my wife received a letter from the Consulate today and she typed into QQ the following: "AS YOUR son's father's name appears on birth certificaate ,he may have some custody rithts to your son, plaeas provide a Civil a A dministration or peoples's court document that clearly indicates that you have full custody for son".
The notarized document she sent back in December had information stating that the court would not issue a document giving my wife full custody of the child since they never heard from the boy's father. My wife told me that she tried to find him in his old town but his business had moved so now she will put out a notice in the paper to try to contact him.
Her son will be 17 in July and he has told his mom to consider maybe going to Canada by herself for the marriage and when he turns 18 for her to apply to sponsor him.
So now it looks like I will be sending a request to the consulate to see what steps we need to take to change our application. I can see us needing to provide proof of someone taking care of the boy, but who knows what kind of bind we are getting into.
My wife was quite upset and she thinks that if she does not come soon that the marriage would be over. I tried to soothe her by saying that if we needed to wait until the boy turns 18 that I was not going to walkout of the marriage. Besides, I always have the website here to keep me entertained while I wait for her.
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Jeeze Rhonald, you really are being tested here, hard to know what to say but I AM in admiration of your strong spirit and determination to see this through. I think it bodes well for your future life together which will make this seem but the proverbial blink of an eye, though of course it doesn't feel like that now.
I for one will be celebrating when your lovely wife gets on the plane to Canada at last :)
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Rhonald , sorry to hear of this latest hiccup , I assume that the letter sent to your wife was in English , she needs to find a very skilled interpreter who is good at greasing , either at the Peoples Court or Civil Administration and for her to go along with son and get the relevant authority to stamp a piece of paper , what if the father is dead or moved countries 12 years ago there would be possibly no record of him , good luck Sujuan and Robert .
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Rhonald
Sadly, yet another curved ball for you to bash !!! Sincerely sorry for another delay, but I know you will cope and do whatever needs to be done.
We all are pitching for you...but all we can do is give you messages of support.
Keep smilin'....David
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Rhonald , just further to my last post Sujuan just said to me for her to do this first at the police station they may give a piece of paper saying he cannot be found and by a mothers birth right she has total custody , especially if son also tells them he has not seen father and wishes to go with his mother , regards Robert .
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I think Robert hit it on the nail about greasing a police authority.
Rhon ... Here's the bad news ... If your wife doesn't come to Canada before the expiry date of her medical exam [i.e. one year from the time she took it], you have to submit your application for immigration ALL OVER AGAIN INCLUDING A NEW SET OF FEES & THE SAME DOCUMENTS.
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That not quite right Chong. Her medical expired last summer and once passed the interview in November, if all else was okay, she would have been asked to resubmit a new medical. We still have not received this new medical request. I think what you are thinking about is that once a visa is issued, its expiry date usually coincides with the latest medical expiry date.
But I am worried if we wish to pull her son off the original visa request, that they might then ask us to resubmit everything over again as a new application. My other worry is if they allow her to come alone, they might ask for proof of a legal guardian to take care of her son - and then the catch 21, they would still need the boy's father's approval for this new guardian.
Robert, thanks for the info, but I wonder if the police station to go to for the paper is the one from where the father originally came from. That would be close to Shanghai, but still it would not hurt her to check at her local police station for information.
I will phone our immigration call center today to get additional information. I have already sent an email to Hong Kong, but they are notorious for not replying.
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We are all with you Rhonald. We are all hoping for a fast resolution to this mess we call Immigration.
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I wonder why the Canadian Beaurocracy always seems to get it's knickers in a Knot and drag things out so much ???
I think it must be genetic because a perfect piece of Canadian Beaurocracy stuff - up came to my notice....
I was watching a late, late piece of rubbish on the TV the other night (insomnia you know !!). It was a docco about the last days of the War with the Japanese, and covered the surrender ceremony on-board the USS Missouri in Tokyo Harbour.
There were the Japanese delegates in morning coats and top-hats and of course, the military representatives from all the Allied Nations that had contributed to the War effort.
First the Japanese signed the 2 documents of surrender...with neatness and precision (although they did look a bit pissed off !!!)
Then it was the turn of all the Allied Commanders to sign........
4th on the list was the Canadian rep........Major General somebody or other.........
And he signed IN THE WRONG PLACE on the document !!!!
Of course, all the others who came next...were in a complete tizz about it, because they now could not sign in the right spot on the documents.
The Japanese were furious and began to demand that the whole thing be postponed until a new set of blank documents could be provided...this would of course mean that War was again declared in the interim day or so !!!
Nobody could quite work our what to do, until Blamey (the Aussie) suggested that the American legal eagle present, strike out all the typed titles on the document and hand wrote them in to compensate for the Canadian goof-up.
Everybody finally agreed to this and the War got ended on the right day !!!!
Only in Canada ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe the Canadian reps were from our Province of Quebec and they couldn't read English? Nah, most likely there was a Japanese girl standing nearby and their eyes were wandering! Thumbs up to the Canucks, they know what's important!!
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Probly a Newfie!
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Here's a web site that claims that these are the stances each party is taking for the upcoming election in Canada. Not sure how much of this I can believe, however it does make for an interesting read...
http://www.canadasworld.ca/learnmor/whatdoesea/partyposit~5 (http://www.canadasworld.ca/learnmor/whatdoesea/partyposit~5)
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The Long wait has ended and the final curve is being taken with the Finish line in sight ;D
Normally the request for the passport submission is after the medical gets redone. Luckily we can submitt both at the same time to speed up that final Lap. And now there is a recognised medical doctor in Shenzhen so she does not need to travel to Guangzhou for the medical.
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Its nice to see that CIC hasn't forgotten about you. Hopefully the end is in sight for you.
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Congratulations Rhonald, and Merry Christmas.
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Rhon it sounds like you are close to having all of this finished. I'm happy for both you and your wife.
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Rhon
You would have to win the Gold Medal for patience and perseverance.
So pleased to see that the end is in sight..........but then again......., so is the beginning ;D ;D ;D
Congrats...David
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congratulations Rhon wishing you and your wife the best of luck.
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For any Canadians who had their wives arrive to our Maple shores, did any of you have your wife send cargo by ship for the move? Just checking about information for allowance amount for customs & what kind of price did the Cargo cost.
Funny thing, if it comes by Ship it's called Cargo but if delivered by truck it's called Shipment.
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Man .. I could work for the Gov. , took me 10 days just to see this News . ???
Then again , our Congrats are coming NOW and on TIME !!!
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My wife sent me home last trip with a bag about 4 feet tall and full of blankets. It was HEAVY. It went on the plane in Xiamen to Hong Kong, then from Hong Kong to Vancouver free as my second bag. From Vancouver to Kelowna (a one hour flight) it cost me $100 because it was over weight. Air Canada sucks.
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You were lucky Neil. Last person I took to Guangzou airport for flight to USA it cost just over 500 USD for excess.
Willy