China Romance
All About China => Your trip to China => Topic started by: davidaquincy on May 09, 2009, 10:31:42 am
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Sorry brothers but I have been on the go since I got here to meet my girl Mei in Chengdu. I haven't had a chance till this evening to even begin to process everything that has transpired. I have been here since May 3rd now.
I really don't know what to report right now with our situation. We just finished dinner and she went back home. We talked with the translator earlier today with our situation. I am getting mixed messages from him also. He is saying she doesn't know if I want her to be my lover or looking for marriage.
Let me first start off by saying this has been a wonderful first week of my trip. I have seen so much more than I ever imagined. I have experienced the trip of a lifetime if nothing transpires from here on. I have enjoyed the food. Although let me tell you if your not a fan of spicy food Chengdu is not a place for you to go. I have had my problems with the spicy food. Finally Mei got the picture. The China experience is something everyone should see. Well lets get started on what has been going on.
Day 1
Arrive at airport 10 minutes before schedule. Grab my bag and go thru the gate. Start looking around for my girl and the translator. I am only going from the studio pictures looking for her. Hmmmm....I don't see her. I figure I will sit for awhile. Maybe they are running late. I sit for about 30 minutes. Still no one there. I decide I better call my translator. He is shocked that I am at the airport. Says he will be there in 20 minutes. Mei and I discussed several times when I would arrive and that she would be there with the translator to greet me.
He picks me up and gets me to the hotel. Mei comes in when I am checking in. I didn't realize who she was at first. My god she is more beautiful than her studio pictures. She apologizes profusely. We all go up to my room and we will have lunch after I drop off my luggage.
During lunch with use of the translator we discuss if we need him at all. She plays with my Besta translator and says we don't need him. Her english is not that bad. Not great but we can hold a simple conversation. Her phone goes off several times during lunch. She leaves the table twice to answer. Apologizes everytime. We go to my room after lunch. The translator starts talking money. I need to pay him 400 yuan for picking me up at airport and for the hour of translator work. Fine lets get rid of him. Payed and he is gone.
We sit in the room for about an hour talking and discussing what we will do while I am there. We head out and visit different places. The traffic is awful here and everyone that says the driving is unreal is correct!!!!! Early evening to let me rest and unpack for the upcoming days. Good cause I am tired!
Day 2:
Wow...she was out till 2am local time with her friends. She says her classmate visited and she hadn't seen him/her for 10 years. OK, maybe this was planned. My trip had only been planned for 3 months. Seems like we are having a good time together. She greets me in the morning with a big hug in the lobby of the hotel. We have breakfast and we are off to see some sites. She grabs my arm a few times in public. Good day and good conversation. We do have to use the Besta translator a lot but getting good communication. Nice dinner and alll in all a good day.
Day 3
More touring. Panda reserve was very nice. She asks if I want to see these tourist sites. She seems excited for her to show me. Ok I agree. The person will meet us in the lobby for us to sign the contract. We will be gone for the next couple of days. More holding hands and touching each other.
Day 4-5
I think this is when things started going bad. The touring was great. Got some good pictures. We get to the hotel near Mt Emei. Shit, this place is a dump. I don't know if I can stay here. She tells me she goes with the environment. Ok, if she can do this so can I. We go to a show. She can't sit with me. I payed 300 rmb for just my seat I guess. Ok. She is using her national tour guide ID to get in for free on everything. Ok she is frugal. I tell her I came here to be with her. Not to get to be by myself. We go back to the hotel and the tour guide on this trip asks us to go have a meal around 11pm. Mei wants to go. She is excited when I say sure. Sorry but I am still full from eating 3 squares a day. I cannot stomach going to the place we went to. I wasn't hungry anyways. Back to hotel and she tells me we have to get up early. Shit another 4 hours sleep. Twin HARD beds.
Head to next tour area Mt Emei. Nice time. We get a lot of alone time. Not fantastic but good. Actually I was more interested in the surroundings cause it was so beautiful.
Day 6
Last full day here. We go shopping cause I want to get some gifts for my family. We are having the greatest time ever. I know we are both tired because of all the stairs at Mt Emei and the large Buddha. She gets angry at me a couple of times cause I can't understand what she is saying. But I tell her it was a lot worse a few days ago. Seems like everything is going great. She wants to see the pictures I took over the last couple of days. She likes most of them but starts deleting the pictures of her. I complain. We have dinner and she goes home. I will see if she sees me off in the morning.
My complaints with her. Jesus Christ is your phone that important. She was always checking it. Texting and talking on it. I complained today about it being rude.
She is hot and cold. I haven't kissed her at all. She will hold my hand and get close but when we get alone she backs off. I am sure it is the chinese culture but I just don't know.
She is getting frustrated with her english. She can read it just great. I am helping her and have the patience to help her along. She gets frustrated when I can't understand her.
I just don't know at this point. I leave in the morning for Shenzhen. I am there for 6 days. There is a girl there that we have been friends for awhile. I don't know what I am going to do. I trully have feelings for Mei but I just don't know. I am going to go to SHenzhen with an open mind. Let the chips fall where they may.
I know most of you won't agree with this but I was afraid of something like this happening. The girl in Shenzhen is fully aware of the situation and she just wants to have a good time with me. SHe is also from CHNLOVE. We can have dinner and she wants to show me her city.
Well thats enough for now. I am tired and need some sleep. Thanks for listening!
Good Luck to everyone during their upcoming trips!!
David A Quincy
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David, you skipped over this a little quickly. "The person will meet us in the lobby for us to sign the contract." What contract? What did you have to sign? On the rest of it? This is why it's good to meet before getting to involved.
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David, I wish you will have a better experience in Shenzhen. As Vince asks, the contract, I am curious too. What contract did you sign?
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I was on the phone with my lady this morn trying to discuss the fee issue. Even though I asked her to email the info (sent her an email saying write back). But what I did understood they're going to have big trouble when I do get there.
Now I'm afraid for David. Was whatever it was in english? and so on
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David , I think you should enjoy your day's in Shenzhen with that Lady and see if that will go better and make your Mind up aterward's about Mei .
I think , the Contract you signed was for your meeting Mei , the second stage of the contract ( meeting in Person ) , am I right on this ?
That would mean , she has had to pay them some money , and if she was not totally happy about the Relationship with you at that point , that could have been the reason for not paying more attention to you , instead of her Phone all the time .
You just go and have a great time in Shenzhen and don't let this bother you there or it will ruin your stay there .
Keep a Smile .
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Ed, thank you for the brilliant post, very interesting reading.
I think you need to keep in mind a couple of points :-
1) For most Chinese cheap doesnt mean poor quality - it means good. Simple as that. When you said that you paid 300rmb for a seat (Day 4-5) and she used her card to get a free one away from you - she was giving you face. She was saving you money, this was an honourable thing to do, it probably shocked her that you complained afterwards. You need to let her know in advance that you want her to sit beside you because her company is priceless and important to you.
2) Chinese girls and their mobiles are inseparable! Get used to it, its just how it is. I went to the movies with Ling and we paid 100RMB each for posh seats one time..every few minutes her mobile would go off or someone else's in the theatre. in the west its would have resulted in people getting annoyed and telling her to turn it off. Not so in China..no-one even glanced over..it is normal. You won't change this behaviour, you are in China, these are Chinese girls..this is normal behaviour..YOU need to adapt.
Enjoy Shenzen, though I think you have a good girl in Chengdu already.
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David without knowing what the paper said this is all a guess.I think that is what is making the women run hot and cold.Tell us what the paper said and we can go from there.
Cell phones.Chinese people can't live without them.That is something you learn to live with.
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Sorry guys,
The contract was for us going on this 2 day trip. It was just the costs of the bus, hotel and such. It had nothing to do with meeting Mei. Sorry i was very tired when writing my post and should have been more clear!!!!
As far as the costs for meeting Mei we discussed that nothing more would be said to her agency. She knows it will cost money if they think anything more is discussed thru them. She paid 1600 rmb to join the agency. We We exchanged our email address. After much thought this evening and little sleep I am just bummed that things didn't go better. I may just be reading more into what has happened.
I understand what everyone is saying about the cell phone. I just found it quite rude in my opinion. I can learn to adapt to that.
The girl in Shenzhen is more of just a friend. She contacted me after I had been talking with Mei. I explained everything to her that I was interested in Mei when we started talking. She just wanted a friend also so we kept communication thru email instead of CHN. We have worked on her english and is more of a friendly attitude.
I have a lot of feelings towards Mei. I am still learning their customs and what I can and cannot do. Mei was very helpful and explained quite a bit to me. I am just regretting leaving without getting to know her better.
Hopefully in the next couple of days I can think more clearly and get a grasp on the time I have spent with Mei.
I will keep you informed. Mei will be over early and we can spend the last few hours hopefully discussing what I have thought.
Thanks brothers
David
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David talk to Mei.It sounds like you 2 are having culture issues.( I know this next part is going to sound dumb But it is how Chinese people see it.)You are letting your anger and frustration show on your face.And she is probably reading off of that.Without me being there it is kind of hard to say.
I think it is time for you and Mei to talk.And see what can be done.I'm sure you going to Shenzhen.To visit the other women is on Mei mind.
If you were married to Mei and she was going with you it would be ok.But since you are not married to Mei.And are going to see this other women.It makes you look like a butterfly.Butterfly is a male slute in China.A man who spreads his sead all over the place.And by doing that you are taking Mei face..
It could be any number of reasons.But I think I would talk to Mei.And see what she has to say.
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I have to say if i was Mei knowing full well your going to see this other woman friend is not going to sit well with her knowing you could be with her but your of to see the other woman instead think i would run hot and cold,becase she prob feels if she gets to close to you and you hit it off with the other woman she defintly loose face just my penys worth.
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I must give this one to Maxx , he so right . After re-thinking this over . We did mention that in many Post on the other Forums , it is not in the best interest of any Woman , for the Man to go see multiple Lady's on one Trip . I myself was alway's against the so called back-up plan . If you not sure the one Woman is the one , then why are you going to China in the first place . But this is part of our western way's , alway's have a back-up if one Lady say's she's busy or for any reason . That can never be Love , only to satisfiy sexual hunger . So acting like that , do we not look like the chinese Men , in their thinking ?
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Yes, I understand every single one of you. I should not have had a "back up plan" It really wasn't a back up plan. The girl in Shenzhen knew I was going to devote my time and energy to Mei in Chengdu. I have done all that.
Now listen to me closely. Mei and I talked heart to heart this morning. She received only 2 letters out of the 50 plus that I have sent her!!!! We finally figured out what has been going on. i thought we had an understanding of our feelings. Was just going with the flow. We had been so busy sightseeing and enjoying dinners and such that we really didn't talk. She knows nothing of me and I know nothing of her. That is why she was running hot and cold. Yes we didn't go to regular email address. She {the agency} was writing all the mails!!! I am livid. Mei is livid.
I have already talked to the girl in Shenzhen. She is aware of what is going on. We will go to dinner tonight and I am trying to book a flight back to Chengdu. I have already called Mei and told her the plan. She is very happy!! I will stay one night in Shenzhen then hopefully I will be back in Chengdu tomorrow to settle a score.
What recourse do I have? I can't believe this happened.
Any advice?
Thanks for listening
David
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It's unbelievable!! Are you going to talk with agency about it or filing a complain to chnlove.com? The question is, was the agency or the translator. Maybe you should let Chnlove.com find out.
My honest opinion is, spend you time with Mei to find out what you want. Follow your heart David. I wish it will work out for you.
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David,lodge a complaint directly with chnlove asap and if you can add what you posted in here, all so well and good , even when you meet back up if you both have your registration no's ring HongKong , even before seeing the local agency and speak to someone in charge as they won't appreciate both of you being misled .
Dig your heels in, it may work out for the 2 of you and I hope that it does , but make sure both they and the local agency know how much extra this is costing you ,and how much bad publicity can be generated , good luck , regards Robert .
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I have complained to CHN directly. 92 EMF's to each other. I guess I will see what happens.
I can't get a flight for 2 days. In the meantime Mei is getting frustrated with her english with me on the phone. I am trying to explain very simply. We have called each other probably 20 times today. We are both in awe of what has transpired.
I will let you know what CHN has to say meanwhile I am trying to get back to Chengdu to recover the situation.
Again thanks for the input and not berating me!
David
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David, I hope you & Mei can 'start' all over again. If it works out between you two, the agency have no right to collect any marriage fee from her. In fact, they should refund all the fees that she has paid so far in light of their dishonesty. :@
All the best to your next meeting with her,
Chong
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David, it seems the agency was not playing fair with you and Mei at all. Certainly some recourse is in order. It should be exciting for you to actually get to know her now. Best wishes!!!
Carl
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David, I understand all the frustration you both are having. But I can't understand why the agency would do this (not that they didn't). I'll read over the contract to see if it says anything about this? It could be a breach of contract. But if they don't want to admit to it, it could be a long legal battle.
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David wow Iv'e heard of bad agencies before.But this goes above and beyond.It explains also why she didn't meet you at the airport.I woulld do like you did and contact Chnlove.And then I would go to the agency and get your money back and Mei's money back.Or some form of compensation for you and Mei.Don't start throwing people out the windows but let them know how pissed you are.If they don't want to play ball.Tell them you will tell the news paper how bad there buissness is.They will make it right with you.They can't stand to loose there face.I think Vince has this right it is a breach of contract.
As far as you and Mei.I would try to get to know her better with the time you have left.You 2 can still make this work.I'm really sorry to hear this happend.
But there was a reason why you started writing to Mei.I think I would try to work off of that.See where it will leed you.It doesn't sound like Mei had anything to do with this.So she shouldn't be blamed.To me it sounds like the translater was just lazy.The agency mite not of even known this was going on.But they still need to be held accountable.
Keep talking to Mei reasure her.That you came all the way to China to get to know her.I think it will be ok.
Keep us posted.I would like to know how this plays out.
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Yes David Don't Blame Mei. This might even be a way of bonding. It's up to the both of you how to proceed.
Like maxx said she didn't meet you at the airport because she didn't know. In fact in the contract it says, She is to meet you at the airport with the translator and photographer and how to act and look when going there. The agency has to be accountable. If she and the translator didn't know someone screwed up.
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David,
That's a terrible thing to happen, the whole brotherhood is backing you up on this one.
Best thing you can do is just try and get to know Mei better in the time you have. It seems she's open to getting to know you and things just might work out. I'm still talking to the lady I met over in China for the first time having never even shared one letter with her before after the one i went to see didn't work out ..so it's entirely possible.
Try and keep your spirits up and try and make the best of your vacation there, its not over yet by a long shot.
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....David ,
..Sorry to hear about the headgames......What is the Agency you are using???.....P203 is the one who wrote all of the bogus letters for the lady I went to meet....I was not able to get even one credit form ChnLove after more than 400 emfs back and forth with this lady, and she did not write any of the letters.....The lady told Chnlove that she did write the letters, so they would do nothing.....I hope you have better luck.....Just remember, You did everything you could do, there is no way you could have seen this coming......I hope everything works out for you, and your lady.....
Best of Luck,
RC
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Hello brothers. Will be flying back to Chengdu early in the morning. I have called my work and have extended my vacation. I have 8 more days to get control of everything. I finally got a response from chn.
Sherry Chu (Customer Care) : 2009-05-11 09:57:35 GMT
From: Sherry Chu (Customer Care)
To: David Quincy
Date: 11 May, 2009 GMT
Dear David,
Ni Hao! This is Sherry from Chnlove customer care. I am very grateful that you could let us know your thought, which give me a chance to address your concern and provide you any possible assistance.
David, you are a very sincere gentleman, and your seriousness in finding your true love is truly appreciated by us. I fully understand your feelings at this moment and truly hope that we could be of any help to ease your concern the earliest. Just now I have forwarded your case to our Intendance department for immediate follow-up. Right now, they are looking into the matter with the related agency P211 and the lady GuangMei Luo (P211xxx). I truly appreciate your kind patience and understanding in advance. Please be assured that I will come back to you once any feedback is available. ;-)
David, Chnlove has been aiming at building a safe platform for serious communication between sincere clients. As you know, Chnlove is independent from each local agency as individual companies. We pay the agency who provides EMF messages translation and delivery services to the Chinese ladies, thus enable free translation as well as professional consultation service to the ladies, making it easier for communication between people of different languages and cultures. Though Chnlove is not involved in the internal business of each agency, we have strict policies and regulations that each agency should As-Is deliver the EMF mails and offer quality service to help both male and female members communicate smoothly.
As always, we welcome our gentlemen clients to rate and comment the work of the local agencies. For those agencies who are reported for not doing a satisfactory job, we will carry out further investigation and find out the situation at the soonest. With our efforts, we aim at helping our sincere gentlemen communicate smoothly with the ladies they selected and work out a promising relationship hopefully.
Thanks again for your support to our customer care. We welcome you to share your comment or feedback with us or any questions you concern about, we will follow up to your kind satisfaction.
Kind regards,
Sherry Chu
Chnlove Customer Care
I got a call earlier from Mr Wang. I didn't answer the phone because I knew I would get to heated and would blow my stack. We will see what happens in the next couple of days.
Thanks for the support guys. Will keep you informed in the coming days.
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Bla bla bla... All they're saying is it's the agencies fault? D'uh! It seems this agency has more interest in filling a quoter ($) of EMF's then the people they are suppose be working with. Me? I would have blown my stack on the phone.
Ya know? Maybe we should find a lawyer there that will take on the contracts of the ladies when the agency pulls this crap. Sue them and get all the money back for the lady and you.
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Maybe we should all write to "customer care" expressing our concern about this matter. A hundred or so letters might focus there attention! What do you think? They might not listen to one guy, but if the brotherhood all move as one, well it's got to get them thinking!
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Maybe we should all write to "customer care" expressing our concern about this matter. A hundred or so letters might focus there attention! What do you think? They might not listen to one guy, but if the brotherhood all move as one, well it's got to get them thinking!
That's a good idea but we should give them a day or two to investigate first and see what comes of it. Definitely a good way to let them know stuff like this won't be tolerated.
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Thanks Neil,
We can all do this politely, expressing concern about this type of behaviour, no threats. After all this is a support group, so lets support each other Follow up letters could start to tie them in knots. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this!
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Maybe we should all write to "customer care" expressing our concern about this matter. A hundred or so letters might focus there attention! What do you think? They might not listen to one guy, but if the brotherhood all move as one, well it's got to get them thinking!
This might not be a bad idea at all! We show chnlove that the Brotherhood means business, and we intend to look after our own.
David...I am really shocked by what I have read so far. We are all behind you, and want to see this resolved to YOUR satisfaction.
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It only works if you have enough dedicated people willing to get involved. I've done this in the past, and it does get results!
David, as Martin said I'm shocked by this whole thing. It's wrong on so many levels but you must have the final say on any action we might take. Best of luck to you,
Paul
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Guys, Listen the exact same thing happened to me. When I got there, the only reason she came to meet me was that the agency practically forced her to. I had threatened them with political action. Because i know some Peoples representatives. In the end it worked out perfectly for us. But the agency/translator did all of the writing. Not Angel. She received the flowers and gifts and a few of the 200 letters i wrote.The "love Poems" she wrote were totally bogus. The deep discussions we had were not with her at all. neither of us discovered this until well after I got there and since then. i have outlined all of this in my blog. But, we are truly in love with each other. I am going to marry her in August. So David do not give up hope with Mei. But it is time to hold the agencies accountable. We can be a force if we do this right. But you have to take the lead in this David. What you want to do is what the brotherhood is willing to do. You see it is your life these people are playing with. Your emotions. you cannot blame Mei. I think you are on the right track with her. Just keep it going with her. maybe she will be the right one for you. i hope so. For your and her sake. But if not at least you took a chance Brotha. That is more than a lot of people do. Good luck and tell us what you want us to do.
For my part I wanted to go crack some heads. But Angel says to look at the end result and does not want to cause a fuss. So take Mei's lead on this. She is the one who has to live with the consequences there. we do not.
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Guys count me in I think this is a great idea.What that Agency did to David and Mei is a bunch of shit.And we do need to put a stop to it.
We do need to wate and see how Chnlove handles this first
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Could we send an e-mail to all our members? Outlining the idea and see who's up for it?
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To start off, let's get the informations & facts required for the letter ... namely the agency name & number & the time period ( start to finish ) of the letters. The lady's profile # can be given to the letter's writer. It's not necessary to make it public.
Besides RC & David & Jim ... who else experienced fake letters written by translators ???
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Brothers, let me know what is needed and I will do my part.
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Names don't have to be in the letter just a statement of "Names will be provided if necessary".
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Yep, I'm in 100%. I'd be furious.
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Add 1 more , no fake letters , just 15 year old photo's , haha , even non studio shots were old but not as old , still with me all ended well as I was not told that she worked for the agency part time along with having her own business , and I met my present partner while out in company with her , an instant back up plan , we have never used emf and with her computer system she has instant conversion of what I type / we cam for hours at a time and , talk often . Yes in a way I to was scammed , but like Ronan things can happen very quickly for the best . Just waiting for a Western style engagement in August .
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Count me in guy's...............::shy:
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All the letters should be about one single issue, to focus attention, and all individually written.Write what you think best in your own style. To send one generic letter dilutes the impact and can be labeled by the agency as an attack, instead of genuine concern. The most important thing is to keep it polite but be insistent and to reply to anything the agency sends promptly. This keeps up the pressure for action. It takes time and dedication on our part for this to work. One thing we do need is numbers, the more people who are willing to get involved the better.Half a dozen of us doing this and well we would just be p**s'in in the wind.
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Actually Paul, I thought we were referring to write ONE LETTER to ChnLove ( HK ) on behalf of our forum ... subject : listing all the agencies who send fake letters ... with the names of all Brothas from this forum protesting this. Remember, it hasn't happen to all of us. But if ChnLove sees that our entire Brotherhood supports what happened to a few guys ... I think they'll respond to a petition ... rather than them brushing off individual letters which they do now with their generic apologies.
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You can count me in on this, something sure needs to be done
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I agree with Chong.. Let us try this solution first.. I'm in
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Hehe, hehe, sorry guy's. I was thinking more along the lines of a concerted letter writing campaign to tie the agency in knots, until they did something constructive. Every time they pulled a stunt on one of us, well it would all start again! Just my direct action background, I guess. Yes, Chong your course may be a little more sane and a lot easier to manage. I will support your views in this. Forgive me, I always was a radical at heart.:D
All revolutions have to start some where!
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Chong...while I am not against writing a letter on behalf of the brotherhood that lists all the bad agencies, I do think we should have a letter writing campaign on behalf of David Quincy. Since his is the most current situation to come up.
Personally, I would like to see him reimbursed for every dollar that he has spent...and also see Mei paid back any fees she paid. To send a letter covering all the bad agencies will not get action on a specific case. At least, this is my opinion..maybe I am wrong.
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Yes Mading Bear .... I agree, I wrote that on an earlier post that David & Mei should get a FULL REFUND .... but ChnLove will say that it's an individual agency thing and that they have no recourse to act on the agency's behalf. Unfortuately, David & Mei will have to deal with it themselves. That agency won't care if we back them.
On the other hand, concerning ChnLove, if our Brotherhood list the fake writing agencies and we start a "BOYCOTT CAMPAIGN" against them publicly on our forum .... they may take us seriously .... if enough Brothas sign on a petition.
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Hmmm,:idea: Anybody know the name of the agency in Chengdu? I'm sure I could track down an e-mail address;) I can feel this need for direct action coming over me :D
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Wow! This is an astounding development. It would seem that we have to reeducate ourselves about this whole process. We must counter these irregular and dishonest activities and the agencies that promote them. We must stand on the right to make this right. We have got to get those who are new and naive to these shams to examine and reexamine the processes of the EMF exchange. I AM IN!
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I have just written a very polite letter to "customer care". Pointing out my concerns about my friend David Quincy's experiences with fake EMF's and asking how the "investigation" is progressing. May I suggest any interested brothers do the same,today if possible.
Thanks, Paul
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Dear David,
How are you? This is Sherry writing to you again, hope this letter finds you in good spirits and health. ;-)
David, I truly appreciate your time and kind patience on this. Concerning your communication with the lady GuangMei Luo (P211208), our Intendance Dept. attached great attention to it and followed it up closely. Up till now, I learned that our Intendance Dept. has made a call to Ms Luo directly to know more information. Below is what they got from her, please have a kind check:
"The lady GuangMei Luo told us that she knew the gentleman David Quincy and has corresponded with him in Chnlove. Usually, the translator from the agency P211 would deliver his letters to her via email. Then she would ask her friend who knew English to help translate the letters to her and help her communication with him, while she failed to explain clearly to Mr Quincy about this during their private communication. She hoped that Mr Quincy could contact her directly so she could explain the situation to him personally."
Hope the above info could help you know more about the situation. David, we can understand you in this matter. The same as you do, we always attach most concern whether the local agencies are strictly following our policies and guidelines when handing the EMF mails. From the feedback above, we're not sure if Ms Liu has explained her thoughts to you clearly. In this case, you may try to contact her directly for more information.
David, as you know, communication is very important for the development of a relationship. Our site offers a platform for gentlemen to meet real ladies they selected, but it's communication that can help to look into the real heart of a lady. That's why we advise our gentlemen clients to go for a relationship based on mutual trust and understanding. With the joint efforts by the two sides, a promising relationship can possibly bloom and fruit.
While we notice that sometimes there are some unexpected circumstances happened during the course of communication, such as the feelings and personal situation of both the gentlemen and the ladies. Therefore, Chnlove is unremittingly making great efforts in providing more guidelines and useful tips for gentlemen to communicate with Chinese ladies, such as the online safety tips. You are warmly advised to take a look at the information, hopefully it will be helpful for you.
David, I know you are a very upright and sincere gentleman. I truly hope that you will find your dream come true earlier. If we could be of further assistance for your future communication in our site or using the related agency's services, please do not hesitate to let us know. We are always there for you.
Once and again, thanks for your time and support to our service.
Kind regards,
Sherry Chu
Chnlove Customer Care
I think its a lost cause. Mei is clamming up. I think she is scared. I don't know if they threaten her with Visa or what. I have only talked to her a couple of times. I have been sitting here in Chengdu with no hope at this moment. She texts me constantly but no shows. I don't know what to make of anything right now.
I am just going to hang on with the hope that she is ok. I fly out of Hong Kong. I am thinking of paying the CHN office a visit. Isn't it in Hong Kong?
I truly appreciate all the support and effort everyone gives. I knew this brotherhood would help me in any way. I know there is something here with Mei. I am not going to give up hope. I know that there are feelings between us and will further pursue our relationship. I don't blame her in anyway. I just can't get the truth out of her. I still think there have been threats but no way to prove this.
Thanks guys!!
David I will keep you further developed !
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Heres the address and fax:-
CHNLOVE.COM
Unit 710, Delta House,
No.3 On Yiu Street, Shatin,
Hong Kong
FAX
+852-30079277
Best of luck my friend.
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It is over now. Even if she recants and says she didnt write the letters. The agency will call her a liar and we would look foolish writing anything. Because if we did they would tell us the same thing as David's letter and look at us as a bunch of reactionaries who do not look at the "facts" of the case. And any other letters we write in the future would be looked at and the Agency would point to this case. If we still want them to recognize us. We could write a letter saying we appreciate their investigation of this matter as we were all "very concerned" about this. This would be more effective done as one letter like Chong suggested. That is my Opinion anyway.
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With this turn of events, I also agree with you Sarge. I hate it when Chong makes sense.
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You guys know that an't right and it is a bunch of crap.I think the agency did write the letters.And then when they were caught they left David and Mei to hang out in the wind.
Lets pass the word on all the forums.About that agency.
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First of all, that ChnLove reply doesn't make any sense ...
... Usually, the translator from the agency P211 would deliver his letters to her via email. Then she would ask her friend who knew English to help translate the letters to her and help her communication with him ...
If David is paying for an EMF translation, why is the agency sending the letter "IN ENGLISH" to Mei ... and then her friend has to translate it to Chinese ?????????????????????
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I agree Chong - what were the EMF charges for if the friend did the translation? If nothing else I would request that he get a refund since they openly admitted that the agency did not translate the sent letters. Aside from that, unfortunately it looks like a losing battle for the two vs. the agency, one word against another - and who KNOWS what they threatened Mei with to change her story / clam up like that.. it's very much a big load of BS and it's sh*tty that it happened like this.
I myself had a run-in with P508 agency. I had a friendly running conversation with a girl and we ended things amicably. Two weeks later I receive a letter from her that was clearly not written by her, talking about how she misses me and physically longs for me each night yada yada yada. NONE of our conversations were remotely close to this, it was always friendly banter. So I complained - chnlove credited me back some credits BUT the issue was resolved that "the lady ms. xxxx stated that she did in fact send the letter" and they gave me her direct yahoo information so I can chat with her. Her english wasn't that great so communication was limited, but she made the comment "you said you would write to me in two days and you never did!!" Now, I *did* say that.. but it had been over a month ago, *and*, I did write back in two days. This then made me wonder if the letter that she claimed to write was the letter I complained about. For all I know, they asked her if she wrote "a" letter to me, which I am sure she did prior to this one in question. If she says yes to that, then she has confirmed that she wrote a letter to me. It's pretty clear the translator was intervening, but to what extent I have no idea and never will. Any further communication with the lady has been strained because of this - not a huge loss because I wasn't emotionally attached but I feel badly for her being duped like this, and I feel AWFUL that this played out in this manner for David and Mei. It makes me sick.
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This was the reply I got from "customer care"
From: Flora Tsui (Customer Care)
To: paul todd
Date: 14 May, 2009 GMT
Dear Paul,
Thanks for your message and nice greeting. You are a very sincere gentleman, it would be our pleasure to help you.
About your question of your friend, we have checked our database and noticed that we did receive an enquiry days before from a gentleman called David Quincy. Following is his member info, David Quincy, from United States. We are not sure if he is the friend you mentioned.
Please note that our Intendance Dept has carried out immediate investigation after we received his enquiry. It turned out there was a misunderstanding during the lady's communication with her friend who helped her forwarded the letters. We have verified the situation with the lady directly and reported the result to David. However, up till now we did not receive his response. In fact, the agency told us that the lady David met has tried to contact him to explain the situation. However, she could not get through. If you can contact David, you may let him call the lady again. Hopefully things will be cleared.
Paul, you are a very nice gentleman, and your attention on this matter and care to friend is highly appreciated. We sincerely hope that you will find your ideal mate soon in our site. As you may notice that, sometimes there might be unexpected situations happened during the course of communication, such as the feelings or changed situation of both the gentlemen and the ladies. That's why we advise our gentlemen clients to go for a relationship based on mutual trust and understanding. With the joint efforts by the two sides, a promising relationship can possibly bloom and fruit. Chnlove is unremittingly making great efforts in providing more guidelines and useful tips for gentlemen to communicate with Chinese ladies, such as online Safety Tips. You are warmly advised to take a look at this information, hopefully it can be helpful for you in possible future. :-)
Again, thanks for your time and support to our service. If you have further question or concern, please feel free to contact us, we will be glad to help you.
Have a nice day!
Kind regards,
Flora Tsui
Chnlove Customer Care
Did any one else write?
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OK this is the letter I received from Mei last night.
As to your special visit in Chengdu,I must appology for that unhappiness.I feel regret after you have gone away,for I shoud not have treated you so badly.However,there are some reasons for what I do,such as my inconfidence,my unhappy life .I hope I can be better off somedays.In addition,I suppose I'm too Implicit .But I am enthusiastic in my heart.
I hope your parents will be happy enough to learn about your journey ,and don't tell them about our disagreements.I think you will have some great memorry for the seven days.
After you have gone,I always ring my friend to translate for us.She has a great command of English.There were some misunderstanding between us.I intent to make appologise to you ,but I thought it would be better we forget about it.
Now you can drop me emails and I can read it with the help of dictionary.By the way ,I have your QQ .
Please send me all your precious letters to me again,because I wish to tender myself ,know you more.
Can you feel my changes? Are you still in Shenzhen?Please mail me when you get home.
God bless you good luck.
From this letter she seems extremely frustrated. But she still states for me to resend the letters that I wrote her. We have been in constant contact with each other on QQ and email. I still feel there is good hope for us. I don't know what they are saying Paul. We have been communicating. I think she might be keeping the agency out of the loop to not have to pay any more money.
I have written customer care again that if the letters were sent to her email and she got them translated I am in need of some credits back, even though I won't be using them. I told them that something is still fishy and I payed a high price for mail delivery and not translation.
We will see what the response is. I am heading to Hong Kong tomorrow. Mei has not been to see me but letws see if she will see me off again in the morning.
Thanks again everyone for your support. Good luck to everyone who's journey has yet begun. China is a beautiful place. I am lucky to have visited this country and hopefully in the near future I will be back. I will be trying to get some pictures up soon.
Take care
David Quincy
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Yes, these are the usual responses you will get from Chnlove. In my mind I thought of conducting a letter from one and all that expressing what we feel about all this nonsense. Yeah, yeah, we're nice sincere gentlemen. Now stop stroking us and do something letter, OR we will ? (haven't come up with this part yet). We can come up with an angle to make them realize the amount of people we reach and have backing up of. In other words make them know it's going to hit them where it hurts, they're pocket$.
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I emailed them telling them i just found out about all this and i am new to there site and i am extreamly worried i may not even be talking to my friend ms XX.. these posts have me a bit worried.. this was the response from my cupid
How are you? I am a new member on chnlove. I read your profile here today and I am totally attracted! So I am writing you this letter and let you know I am interested in you as well. :) You sound to be a kind, loving and honest gentleman, and I could not resist, hehehe. I hope we can write and get to know each other!!
I will tell you more about me. My name is Tracy and I live in Chengdu. I enjoy quiet and simple life. People say that I am sincere, honest and fun to be with. I am romantic, caring, considerate and loyal. I enjoy life and I am generally a happy and optimistic person. I am nice and polite and do not have a bad temper. I like to smile a lot. I like to do things to please my partner, to make his life easier and nurture the relationship. I believe in discovering and affirming my partner's special qualities.
I am very serious here. I want a partner who is able to love as deeply as I can love. I dream of building a warm and solid home with my special one. I will make him happy, and love and care for him and his family for the rest of my life. My husband will first of all be my best friend to share all the good and the bad times in life. I think love life is the most important for a woman.
This is my first letter to you and I do not want to bore you too much, hehe. I hope you are interested in me and would like to communicate more with me! I will wait for your reply anxiously...I hope that we can begin to come to know each other and to see if we are right for each other! I feel very good about you!
Take care and have a great day!!
since you genst have more knowledge and this is a first reply i am as new to this site as they come.. does it seem real ? i think so but as i said i dont want to get screwed over
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Shane, It seems real. I would say the middle section is pre-written? maybe taken from her profile? It's not overly padded with I want to Love you and something of that nature which is a red flag to begin with. The self question is all the same when you get that. "Loves me? we just met?". This letter seems to just express she has an interest. So go with it, see where it goes.
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:D ty vince i let out a small sigh of relief anyway lol
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Hi Vince,
This was always my angle. If you have a 100 guy's all writing individual letters it takes time to answer them, and in business time is money. With follow up letters pointing out inconsistencies this spirals out of control for the office, more time more money. They may send out one letter to us all to begin with but as the campaign gathers pace it becomes a real head ache and the costs keep rising. It's just a numbers game. After a few weeks the next stage would be to find a hungry local journalist looking for a story and give him all the correspondence, or better still let the agency know that this is an option your considering! After all I'm sure no one here expected them to put up there hands and admit there wrong doing straight away!
The thing that troubles me is the unfair pressure they can apply to the lady in question,just to try and cover themselves. So,in this instance and to protect the lady. This may not be the right course of action. Please, try your letter and let see how it goes. You have my support. Thanks for putting up with me guy's.
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The thing that troubles me is the unfair pressure they can apply to the lady in question
This is why one letter as a group. I don't care (I would put this in) for a response, it won't mean anything anyway. Just let them know that WE ALL know the game and we aren't going to play it. This way there aren't any ladies names in there for them to put pressure on they can put the pressure on the agencies instead. Like I said before, if we say we will walk we have to do that. So we need to come up with a way to show we mean business.
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Shane that letter looks ok.Go ahead and go with it see where it leads.
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Dear David,
How are you? I'm very glad to hear from your again, sincerely hope everything is fine with you. ;-)
David, I understood your concern currently. As you have noticed, Chnlove is cooperating with the agencies that provide direct service to the ladies. As a communication platform, we do not get involved in the operation of each agency. According to our policy, the agencies should deliver the EMF mails AS-IS to the ladies. And the money collected from each EMF letter mainly goes to the agency for the work they do, including delivery services, consultation services, as well as translation services if needed.
Depending on the ladies' situation, there can be different methods for the agencies to deliver your letters to the ladies. For example, the ladies can go to the agency and read your letter with the help of the translator. Or, the translators can forward the letters (original, translated or both) to the ladies by email if they have computer and access to internet. Fax can be used as well if it is convenient for the ladies. Sometimes when the ladies are very busy or for other occasions, the translators can even deliver the letters on phone.
Anyway, for what method is adopted, and whether English and translated version is needed can be decided by the ladies. If you would like to find out your lady's situation on this, you may have a check with her personally. To know more about how our EMF mail works, you may have a look at:
http://www.chnlove.com/help/emf.php
David, I can see you are a very caring and considerate gentleman. I understand to develop a nice relationship, there might be some unexpected hardship for us to go through, thus every chance is to be valued. As you are such a sincere customer, I believe the lady who deserves your love must be the happiest one, and I truly hope you will find that special lady earlier. And if I could be any assistance, please feel free to let me know. I will always do all my best to help you.
Thanks again for your support to our service. Please feel free to let us know if you have additional question or concern. We'll be glad to help our sincere clients.
Have a nice weekend!
Kind regards,
Sherry Chu
Chnlove Customer Care
This is the response from customer care. I am still battling with them. In the mean time. Mei and I have been talking everyday. I got home on Sunday. I took my laptop around so she could see my home. She was very happy to see everything in my life. Things are going well with us. Its almost like we are starting over. I have been sending the letters to her that she never got. I am learning a lot about her that I never knew. Wish me luck guys and thanks for all your input on my trip.
David Quincy
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That's a BULLSHIT response, according to that link ...
... "The ChnLove service provider (CL agency) will deliver your mail "As-Is" to the lady. If she encounters any difficulties when reading your mail, free translation service will be provided for her, helping her understand the content fully and correctly"...
So where was the help ??? Where was the Free Agency Translation ??? So why did she need to get her friend to translate ???
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So according to them it's the ladies fault. "the translators can forward the letters (original, translated or both)" AND WE CHOOSE NEITHER? So this is the ladies fault for not telling them which way she wanted to receive the letter? That's what I'm reading? Back to the org. posting, Breach of Contract. They did not fulfill the service contracted.
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It sounds like the best choice was removing the agency from the mix. This is just so beyond belief. It's great things are recovering and heading down the right track now. It sounds like this agency needs to be on the 10 most avoided list.
David, my wife and I get on QQ video calls and although we don't talk a whole lot, due to our lack of language skills in each others, but we are constantly shoving lines through google translate. There's a lot of value in just hearing her laugh or seeing her body language during the calls. It works fine if you keep the sentences short since google translate has trouble with longer, more complexed ones. I split up my writing in translated and un-translated english since often times she'l write down words she's not familiar with and look them up. I know she tries hard to learn english so it's a matter of time. Not sure if your lady is learning english or if her skills are better than my wifes but it seems like you two are getting over this very unfortunate situation.
Best of luck to you David. It's sad your trip was filled with so much confusion since it really should have been the most unforgettable experience of your life. Perhaps it will build a stronger relationship for you both.
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Wow....I thought this story was pretty much over and done with.
Here is the update. Mei and I are no longer "together". I am still unsure of everything that happened when I came back to the US. It seemed she would try and talk with me on QQ. Then she just plain disappeared. I would send her several letters a week and wait on QQ for her many nights and days. She would show up 2 weeks letter and say hi. How are you? Very distant. I was planning on going back to China after the National Holiday. She asked me to meet her in Beijing. SHe wanted us to go to Beijing together. Then the disappear act again. This time 3 weeks. Finally I sent her letter and said I don't know why the disappearing act for weeks at a time. Please contact me asap so we can clarify the dates of me going to China. I would call her and try and talk with her but she just seemed distant. Buddy of mine at work has a Beijing wife. She would translate the letters to her every time so I know there was no missed communication. Finally I just called it off. She will say hi here and there on QQ. But really no contact.
I have since moved on. All this happened in May through the early part of July. I tried with CHNlove again but it seemed like I was getting nothing but responses from women in Chengdu. Corresponded with a two women there but could never get to the point of getting them to contact directly so basically I gave CHN up.
In the meantime I was checking out other websites. One I came across was China love match. I started talking with this girl Anny in late July early August. The one thing I noticed about that website was the women wanted cam and to talk immediately. most have yahoo, Msn and QQ of course. So we went to cam on talking through MSN after the first few initial conversations. There is a monthly charge not per letter. I think it is around 25-30US.
Since then I have been to China to visit Anny. She is from Xiamen. We spent a week together in Beijing after their National Holiday. We have already made plans for me to come back to China for 2 weeks for the Chinese New Year to meet her parents and such. We talk almost every night either on phone, cam or MSN. COuldn't be happier.
Sorry I haven't been around much lately to give my support to everyone that helped me but Anny keeps me busy. We are making plans for our future. I don't know if anyone will be around Hong Kong Feb. 7-11 or Xiamen Feb 11 - 20. I will be their during that time. Already have plane reservations and everything...hahaha. Made them the day I got back from my recent trip to see Anny. I would love to meet up have lunch dinner or whatever.
In the mean time I still keep up with everyone and comment here and there.
Good luck everyone!!
David
I guess I should update my picture from Mei to Anny...haha
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Well Dave, Good luck with Anny and keep in touch.
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ditto what Vince says mate....Wondered why you disappeared for so long...
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Good to hear success - keep us posted with posts and pictures please.
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Really excited for you David , one that makes plans as soon as he get's back Home .... must be somewhat in Love ? Keep your Shoesole's on the ground though . :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin: