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Title: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Philip on March 10, 2010, 12:48:48 pm
Hi guys,
I need some sage advice.
I was all set to get married to my lady in April. I have all the right paperwork. I am also applying for jobs in China. I have an interview tomorrow in Liverpool for a teaching job at the British School in Beijing. Good job, British wages. But the course of true love never runs smooth.
My lady suggested to me a few days ago that we might want to wait a few years???!! to get married. My initial reaction was that she was getting cold feet. She has the habit of hiding important facts from me, because she doesn't want to worry me and wants to handle them herself.
It turns out that her ex-husband has placed impossible conditions on her in the divorce settlement last December. She says that the person who instigates divorce proceedings has to pay the other party. And her ex-husband wants 500000 yuan from her. She thinks she can get him down to 120000. I think I can get him down a back alley and rearrange his face. I don't really understand what is going on, what she has signed, what the court says, whether she has to pay the money after two years, whether we can be married after that time and avoid paying this. She has only just told me. I know she has been stupid and naive in this process. She has not been sleeping, her whole family have been very critical of her, blaming her for what she is doing to me. They are normally very supportive, but they have given her a hard time. I am being supportive, telling her I am glad she has been upfront with me and saying that we will sort things out together.
I have suggested speaking with her brother, who has helped us in the past. He would probably know about the legal issues, or know someone who knows. He is more on my side than hers at the moment, even though he is her brother. But she received such a blasting from him, that she wants him to cool down before letting me speak with him. Personally, I think this needs sorting. However ill-advised she has been, I know she was doing it for us. I will try and contact him as soon as I've persuaded her.
I don't know if anyone knows the legal issues in this kind of situation, but I know her ex would not be asking for such an obscene amount of money if I were Chinese.
Much as I would love to consign the ex to the dustbin of history, there is no way I can afford, or am willing to pay anything like that amount. If I was working for Chinese wages, I'd have to work for about 150 years to earn that.
Any advice would be gratefully received. I will update you when I know more. As it stands, it looks like my third single certificate is going into the recycling.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: David5o on March 10, 2010, 01:23:20 pm
Philip,

Wow!!! that's double what she was quoting for the wedding costs last time!!!
Where does she get these sort of figures from?? Do they have there own apartment, a big Merc, or some other high cost/value attributes to divide between them??  

Look, these sorts of divorce settlements just don't exist for the average Chinese Joe. You need to be among the higher middle class with wealth behind them to be thinking along these sort of terms.

If you want/need to get to the bottom of this contact the brother Philip, he seems to have his feet firmly on the ground, plus the fact you haven't much time to play around with if your talking about getting married in April.

Most divorcing couples in China just part ways, there is rarely any money settlement between them, only maybe with regard to child maintenance, or that sort of thing. Never ever heard of one buying off the other, and never heard of this sort of money being banded about for what ever reason....

Just reread your post again, and will comment that No Chinese court would award her ex hubby 500000 yuan. If the divorce went through the courts, very very few do.... the losing party will pay for the court costs, and that ain't gonna be that sort of money or anything like it....


David.......
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: metooap on March 10, 2010, 02:37:59 pm
Quote from: 'Philip' pid='33835' dateline='1268243328'

Hi guys,
I need some sage advice.



I agree with David.

This amount of money seems absurd. Additionally, never heard of such a thing. Like David said, most simple part ways. If there is an issue it is about taking care of children that is about all.

So the number does not sound right, and the story does not sound right.

Seems to me there is a lot more to this situation than you are being told.

I agree going to the Brother, if you must, will sort things out pretty fast.  But it also may alienate her from you.

Bottom-line, this does not seem right.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Sylvain D on March 10, 2010, 03:24:01 pm
I don't really understand how chinese people can ask for 500 000 RMB's? It is very very lot of money... even if I have to convert in € :icon_cheesygrin:
And I don't understand how she can think to get him down to 120 000.
Maybe does she think you got lot of money ? (but I hope that's not what she can think about you)
Or Maybe does she want to have any "warranty"... i don't really know in fact.
But, maybe because of all that, she asks you to wait, because she maybe feels "upset" or "stupid" about that divorce and that she knows she may will need some lot of time to pay for the divorce... just to be with you.

Maybe isn't it a bad thing, maybe is it a way to say "are you ready to wait for me, because I will need lot of time to pay for that?"
who knows...
But anyway, you can go and ask her brother to help, and maybe some of the brotherhood could give you some more advices.

Good luck anyway and keep us updated
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: JimB on March 10, 2010, 05:01:03 pm
Why not take the Job and go live together.  My in laws are pretty traditional and they were ok with us living together as long as we were engaged.  If she does not go along with this, I really think something else may be behind it all.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: David E on March 10, 2010, 05:30:18 pm
"Run, Forest, Run !!!!!!"



Philip.....let my natural cynicism speak for me on this issue !!!

Can you seriously imagine that any "normal" Chinese woman, going through a "normal" divorce process would sign away something between 120,000 and 500, 000 RMB ??....it is a vast fortune by any "normal" Chinese Standards........it would be a pretty big deal by Western Standards too !!

If they had huge assets together as part of the marriage...then she would be entitled to half....so where possibly can she be agreeing to PAY him this sort of money.

Before, you told us of her "request" to you for 200,000 RMB for the wedding, and now it turns into something like 120,000+  for the divorce.

Dont you see that all of these requests require you to give her mountains of money BEFORE you are married ??

I have only one view in my mind and that is.....whatever you agree with her eventually, you will have parted with a lot of money...and you would not yet be married to her.....and I am sorry to say, at this point I think she would dump you.

I even think you should be very wary of the Brother...despite the "apparent" show of being on your side, it may well be a part of this not-so-elaborate plot to scam you.

I know exactly what my Ming agreed to at her divorce...where there was 1 child involved and it was not anything like what you are describing here....it was a million miles away from such numbers !!!!

The amount of money may be appropriate for some high flying Business Magnate or Party Official...but for normal folk...ludicrous!!!

Please be careful Philip...I feel very much you are being taken for a ride.

David
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: odysseus007 on March 10, 2010, 05:35:15 pm
My oh my ! Was she an ex-Enron accountant???
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Chong on March 10, 2010, 06:46:08 pm
Philip,

Here's an interesting article that I "Google".

http://www.divorcereform.org/prcmarriage.html

And here are the fundamental laws of divorce in China ...
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: maxx on March 10, 2010, 07:18:39 pm
Phillip I'm going to have to agree with David E on this.Something isn't right here.200,000 for the wedding now 5000,000 for the divorce from the already exhusband.

2 things I can see here.The woman and the exhusband are working together.To try to take.You for a huge amount of money.Or # 2 The lady and the exhusband were quarrling one day.And she made him real mad after she told him she was getting married to a forignor.Then the exhusband seen dollar signes.

I heard a story a couple of years ago.Where a Phillipino woman was running a scam like this.She got to the states.got the green card.And was traveling back to the phillipines about every 6 months.To stay with her boyfriend.How she got caught was.The immagration attorney she hired.Called her house.And her American husband answerd the phone.

So the phillipino woman and her American husband had a full blown fight.He kicks her to the curb.And she goes back to the Phillipines because she had lost her free ride.And couldn't support herself.

Phillip if it was me I wouldn't even worry about talking to the ladies brother.I would just run like hell.Sorry man I just can't see any good comming from this.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 10, 2010, 08:05:59 pm
Philip,

i am sorry to hear this but from living here and talking with people there seems to be
a issue with your lady. to divorce both parties need to show up and you can be divorced
in a day here. sometimes the man or woman asks for a little money say 3000 rmb to show up
but nothing like this unless of course they are extremely wealthy here. and that money would
come out of the others share of the wealth.

now i would really seem to think that she is playing you along with the help of all members of
the family so be warry. i have heard of 2 instances like this of people who knew people who
did this to a western man and then got lost. as hard as this sounds tell your lady your not paying
this amount and i guess it is over because of this and if she is sincere then this issue will go away
although i hardly doubt it. she is i this for money sad to say. this is not normal.

take your job if you get it and you will find a lady here as you are living here. keep in mind that the
brother might be in on this so dont think he is all on your side. there are so many good ladies here
that you can meet livig here that its mind boggeling. take the job and enjoy your stay in china as
you will find it to be a great adventure and one that you would not regret.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: David5o on March 10, 2010, 08:31:56 pm
Philip,

We can really only comment on what you tell us, maybe there's a lot more to your story. But based on what you have told us, she does seem to be very money orientated and that's not good, ....when it's your money she wants to acquire. These amounts she talks about are far ,far beyond her wildest imaginations in her day to day life, and the scenario's she has described in both instances really does bare no resemblance to life in China.

One can only see scam written all over this lady, based on what you have told us here!! So think about what your going to do carefully!!!!

No matter what you decide to do about all this, i wouldn't give up on living and working in China. If nothing else comes out of this relationship, it would have led you to a lifestyle that you will not regret. Your life will change completly and very much for the better. And if you do start that new life alone.... i can assure you, it won't be for long, there are so many good genuine ladies in every city in China.

Don't what ever you do get sucked in and taken for a right royal ride, Go to China in April, for yourself and use it for your own benifit ....Mainly as a prelude to that new life you were so enthusiastic about, teaching in China at a GOOD school....

Best of luck to you Philip, no-matter what or how you decide to move your life forward from this point on...

David....
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: rockycoon on March 10, 2010, 09:18:34 pm
Philip,
Bro, even I can see this is a setup.  First they are still married since she hasn't come up with the money.  Second, what is to stop her
from taking the money for the divorce and splitting, meeting up with her husband later to spend your money.  Third, the family
is not happy with her (as you described) but in on it with her as they make their living this way (and get a share)  Forth, they all
work together to scam you.   look up Gypsy's as that is what they do.
 
In my opinion, your being taken bud....

With a divorce settlement like that, it's like winning the lotto for them, if they are actually getting a divorce.  My advice is to cut and run
unless you won the lotto and can afford to loose a lot of money.

If you keep on going with this "affair"  all I can say is "WE WARNED YOU"

And good luck.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 10, 2010, 09:37:12 pm
seems to be the concensus here, just tell her sorry but i am going.
if she writes see what she says but i would dump her NOW to much
baggage and yes i think everyone is in on it. wouldnt be surprised if
she has a few others on the hook for money. sorry blunt but true and
someone needs to say it :fi_lone_ranger:
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Willy The Londoner on March 11, 2010, 01:00:16 am
Phillip,  If you have a land line telephone at home send it to me by PM as I only have your mobile number.  I have a phone system where I can call landlines in UK for free.   I think maybe we should talk.

I don't know if I know more than others about your circumstances with this lady or not.  We have discussed it over a pint and a meal in London.

Well I must say this latest news comes as a bit of a shock.   Is she married or is she divorced?  If she is still married you cannot marry now but from what I am hearing now if she is divorced she is saying you cannot marry now!!!

I think that there is only one way to find out if you are being played and that is to tell her that you are coming to China to live with her until such time as all these problems are sorted out.   If she backs away from that then be strict with her - tell her that if she wants to marry you now then there will be no money paid to her ex if indeed he is her ex now and that there will be no fancy wedding.   Maybe just a dinner for family and friends.    She either wants you or she wants the money and you.  Give her the choice. Let her ask for the first and she gets you and everything you bring into the relationship - if she asks for the latter then there is only one move that you can make and that is away from her and her family.

I know how much you like her but myself and Ted met a man in the British Consulate a while back and he is wishing he had not succumbed to his wife's demand.    You are going to have to be strong with her and tell her outright that it is either you she wants or your assets.  Tell her bluntly that your assets come with you after you marry and not one rmb will come before that red Book.

I am against pre nups usually as they are not common practice in the UK  but in this case I would think that having one or even just telling her that there will be one could well settle which way she will go in this case.   Whether she wants you or your assets then you are going to get an answer to the serious question you have aired.

Do not walk now -and I know that love can blind us -  but when you have the answers from her then you really have to make a decision.

Willy
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Vince G on March 11, 2010, 07:10:58 am
I've read the trend and haven't commented for a reason? I can't decide who is pulling who's leg? Are you so blind that you can't see the trouble ahead? When she first came up with the figure for the wedding, bells, whistles and flags must have gone up? I hope? But you stayed in there for some reason. And now this? What does she have planned for the future? Alimony? After she's fleeced you? I have two words for you...

WAKE UP!!!

I don't know if your a gluten for punishment? or not. You can't be that desperate or in Love with her that you let her do this to you? :@
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 11, 2010, 07:41:17 am
Vince,

i do agree with you whole heartedly  if i remember correctly she is divorced
and Philip had already sent her 5 or 6 thousand pounds a few months back.
Phillip needs to tell her im sorry its not going to happen. i am not sending any
money for your ex. PERIOD!!!  and i wouldnt use the brother on this one as it
needs to come from Phillip and not him. if she wants to tell her brother then
she can do that but i am afraid she is scamming him, they do scam you and
you think they love you even when you meet take the blinders off tell her NO
and see what happens if she doesnt contact him back then you know. i talked
to my wife about this and she just smiled and said something i dont think i need
to put here but i will say part of what she said--- many women in china do this--
they are poor and are looking for money--   not all but some do take the time to
set it all up to get a large payday.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Willy The Londoner on March 11, 2010, 08:01:05 am
Quote from: 'Vince G' pid='33937' dateline='1268309458'



I don't know if your a gluten for punishment? or not. You can't be that desperate or in Love with her that you let her do this to you? :@


Come On Vince and others  -this is not someone who has not met his lady - he has. He has had an emotional attachment to her.  If it was you would you just say - thats it finished without another thought?  I doubt it very much and that same sentiment applies to the rest who have or were going to write in the same vein.  It is very easy for others to say just 'ditch the bitch' no offence to you and your lady Phillip but this is basically what some are saying.  

He came on here asking for advice from the sages. I have given my view earlier - I said the decision is his in the end but I gave what I thought was advice good or bad it was advice.  If others have got nothing else but 'ditch her' in mind then there is no point in adding that to this thread.  That is not advice - it is like Pontius Pilate washing his hands and leaving it to the crowd.

OK I may lark around and take the piss out of people but when it comes to caring I do.    I do care a Brother could be on the verge of losing someone they are in love with.     I do care when other brothers who have  been talking to ladies for months and months suddenly find they are not the person the lady wants.    I do care that my wife is wondering what I am getting irate over so I had better stop now.

Willy
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Vince G on March 11, 2010, 08:05:27 am
I've had enough of this right here in the US. As soon as the "I need" comes up? I say good for you. Meaning your not getting it from me. My ex thought me a good lesson. A 7 year scam. So I've been there done that. Only because of the kids did I stay and tried.

So my experience is making me shout out to others. Hope they listen.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 11, 2010, 08:07:00 am
Willy,

i do realize he met her and has feelings but come on this lady just needs
to be told  no i am not paying this to the ex   yes i would do that if it were
me.  then the ball is in her court but you have to keep your feet on the
ground and let her know that its not going to happen and see what she does
if it were me i wouldnt even negotiate the amount at all  anyway its not me
and philip needs to decide his own fate

Ted
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: metooap on March 11, 2010, 11:25:54 am
Quote from: 'Philip' pid='33835' dateline='1268243328'

Hi guys,
I need some sage advice.
I was all set to get married to my lady in April. I have all the right paperwork. I am also applying for jobs in China. I have an interview tomorrow in Liverpool for a teaching job at the British School in Beijing. Good job, British wages. But the course of true love never runs smooth.
My lady suggested to me a few days ago that we might want to wait a few years???!! to get married. My initial reaction was that she was getting cold feet. She has the habit of hiding important facts from me, because she doesn't want to worry me and wants to handle them herself.
It turns out that her ex-husband has placed impossible conditions on her in the divorce settlement last December. She says that the person who instigates divorce proceedings has to pay the other party. And her ex-husband wants 500000 yuan from her. She thinks she can get him down to 120000. I think I can get him down a back alley and rearrange his face. I don't really understand what is going on, what she has signed, what the court says, whether she has to pay the money after two years, whether we can be married after that time and avoid paying this. She has only just told me. I know she has been stupid and naive in this process. She has not been sleeping, her whole family have been very critical of her, blaming her for what she is doing to me. They are normally very supportive, but they have given her a hard time. I am being supportive, telling her I am glad she has been upfront with me and saying that we will sort things out together.
I have suggested speaking with her brother, who has helped us in the past. He would probably know about the legal issues, or know someone who knows. He is more on my side than hers at the moment, even though he is her brother. But she received such a blasting from him, that she wants him to cool down before letting me speak with him. Personally, I think this needs sorting. However ill-advised she has been, I know she was doing it for us. I will try and contact him as soon as I've persuaded her.
I don't know if anyone knows the legal issues in this kind of situation, but I know her ex would not be asking for such an obscene amount of money if I were Chinese.
Much as I would love to consign the ex to the dustbin of history, there is no way I can afford, or am willing to pay anything like that amount. If I was working for Chinese wages, I'd have to work for about 150 years to earn that.
Any advice would be gratefully received. I will update you when I know more. As it stands, it looks like my third single certificate is going into the recycling.


Philip,

Most people here are pretty level headed. Normally on an issue, you will get a cross section of opinions. On this issue, everyone here is pretty much saying the same thing.

I know you may be taken back by this person. What i did not know was that you have already sent her a sizable amount of money.

You should stop your losses right now - unless as has been so aptly put, you are gluten for punishment.

You did not post this issue, because you are a fool. You posted because internally - you already know the deal. We are simply serving as a sounding board - for what you really already know. This is not a good situation.

It is certainly you call what to do - how to handle this situation - but you probably already know exactly what to do.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Arnold on March 11, 2010, 01:18:18 pm
So ... may I add , that we have alway's and from the beginning of this and the Facebook Forum have said ... if asked for Money " RUN " . Now if met Face to Face , does that really make a difference ? Yes it does , your just get Hooked even more and most likely for more Money . Which is what I see here .
I know exactly how hard it must be for Phillip ( maybe I don't ) , but it is His dicision to make . We hope it will be the right one , as we hate to see it happen to one of our Brother's here or anybody for that matter .
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: David E on March 11, 2010, 04:23:52 pm
With particular reference to Willy's post...

It is not unusual to develop an attachment to a scammer...thats all part of the plan. It just makes the decision to bolt a lot more difficult.

But what is the use, practically and emotionally of persisting with a relationship where the Lady has clearly put a demand on the table for an absurd amount of money that very few Men....Chinese or Western would be able to find ??

How can it be possible to consider that such a Lady has only love on her agenda...what would the future hold under these circumstances. What, indeed is her "excuse"or logic to ask for such a sum....bearing in mind the previous request for a 200,000 RMB wedding ?? added to the fact that the Chinese divorce Laws would only require her to pay such momey to her ex-husband IF all the assets were in her name and the "500,000" was to pay him off with his share.....can you see that happening in China !!!!

Willy, of course you and all of us here would love to see and help to manage a happy ending for Philip, that goes without saying.

But it is nice when we stop beating our head against the wall...the headache goes away. !!

Willy, I think you are not doing the right thing by Phiip, you are prolonguing the myth. It is shurely 100% obvious that he cant win this one.

Better an emotional pain for a while than bancrupcy and a lifetime of regret. We all know that there are many, many wonderful Ladies out there in China...why persist with this disaster in the making...it is cruel to lead Philip on

David E
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 11, 2010, 06:27:35 pm
absolutely David  it will be hard but cut and run this lady is all
about money and when backed in the corner changes the story
like the wedding money and now has come up with this. my instincts
tell me that everyone is involved and looking for a payday so be wary
of all involved.

we all want great endings here but there comes a time when you have
to look at the facts and large amounts of money is what she seems to
ask for. tell her absolutely not under any circumstance and see what
happens. if she cuts and runs then it was a setup for money. if she stays
see what happens in the future
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: maxx on March 11, 2010, 06:51:57 pm
I'm almost in agreement Ted.Except for the last part of you post.The damage has ben done.No trust is left.You will always be thinking what will she try next.Sic mother sic water buffalo.Heater don't work.Pick your excuse and just send the money.

It is Phillips decision at the end.But like I said before.If it was me.I would of already kicked her to the curb.And moved on to a kinder gentler place.Ted As you know this is a long journey.With allot of twists and turns in the road.

With a women like this.Already after the money.I can't see it getting any better.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 11, 2010, 07:15:50 pm
Maxx,
you left out the mercedes with all the extreme options that
you can get in an auto.

car cost----- 45,000
extras--------40,000

its all just bad and its a shame but it is reality
i went thru this with my first chinese lady but
all she got was a green card so i wasnt out the
cash. but i was a little embarresed with some of
the things she did with immigration to show she
didnt do fraud but that it was all my fault. as the
immigration lady told me in our phone conversations
this happens all to often as they have a plan and
immigration just allows them to stay after all is said
and done because of the cost involved to send them back

i wanted the fraud issue pushed but they wouldnt do it
just told me to chalk it up to experience and to be careful
if i do it again
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: David5o on March 11, 2010, 07:29:24 pm
Ted,

I don't know how it works in the USA, but in the UK and also probably in Europe too, is that ''Your'' responsible for all and any costs of repatriation if immigration is not happy about (in our case) the ladies motives, or any deviance from the rules of the visa they have been awarded.
So i don't know what costs, that the US immigration lady you talked too, was referring too!!! Truth be known, just can't be bothered to do her job, too much paperwork for her...lol!!

David......
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 11, 2010, 08:01:32 pm
she was most helpful in her 2 phone calls with the first one being as to
why i wrote an 8 page letter to immigration and ICE. i told her it was because
i was used and if i really wanted to push it i could but she understood were i
was coming from. if she had scammed me for money they would have stepped in
right away but she didnt get money except for the immigration costs. she did ask
why i did the letter and i told her that i will return to China and if i met another one
i didnt want them to think i was an idiot. she said they will put it in my file. now i
would like them to find that file lol if i need it. but i did keep the phone transcripts
copy of my letter and summaries of the time and date and the context of what we
spoke about on the phone. the lenth of time of the call to my cell phone bill backs up
the conversation we had which was lenthy in both instances.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: odysseus007 on March 12, 2010, 12:57:42 am
Quote from: 'ttwjr32' pid='34043' dateline='1268352950'

Maxx,
you left out the mercedes with all the extreme options that
you can get in an auto.

car cost----- 45,000
extras--------40,000



weekend at the Ritz------50,000
toothpaste & other necessities----15,000
fees for the private banker----20,000
flying out to meet Wendy Teng on her yacht----30,000
:icon_cheesygrin:
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: shaun on March 12, 2010, 05:12:34 am
Phillip,

If you want to continue with her I would suggest you take the job and live with her a good long while.  This not something I would suggest to everyone.  There may be something much worse going on here that you will only find by being there but then again it could simply be that it is her showing her doubt again.  It is so hard to tell with a few lines on a computer screen.  You need to decided how far you are willing to go to keep her with you.  I don't thing you will get to the core of these issues from England, it needs to be up close and personal.

Shaun
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Philip on March 12, 2010, 12:24:20 pm
Thank you everybody for your posts. If I didn't have the same doubts as you, I would not have started this thread. I have been too trusting at times, but like has been said a few times, where is a relationship without trust? I have not had all of the information, but like has also been said, Chinese women do not tell you everything. Sometimes they do not tell you anything. I have been guilty of letting my heart rule my head at times, but I do trust her, for better or for worse. I don't know if it is significant, but she has told me of this ridiculous situation now, rather than after we had been living together for months. Does this mean she is honest or dishonest?
Anyway, my head and my heart have spoken and have given her a practical ultimatum.
1. I will not give her husband one penny, one red cent, one silver yuan.
2. As we planned to have a child, if I had to stay in England, we would have to get married now, otherwise she would not be able to come to England. And if she could not come to England, we would not be able to have a child. I'm not waiting for 3 years and I know she would not want to have a child when she is 40, which is how old she will be in three years.

So, I am not running away. But I have given her my decision. If she says no, I will have to end it. In the end, it comes down to practicality, I would not be able to support a family and pay extortion money at the same time. Simple.

If her reply is in the negative, then I will have to end it. Then I have a flight to Guangzhou on the 5th April to take and a two-week holiday in which I may gatecrash some Ted and Willy parties. Watch this space.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 12, 2010, 06:59:46 pm
Philip,
our welcome here in GZ and i do have several ladies looking who are
really great ladies here. i also know of one in Jinan that is terrific.
hope to meet you in April

Ted
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Martin on March 12, 2010, 08:20:28 pm
My wife told me I am only allowed to have one wife :huh:  Otherwise, i would hit you up for one of these ladies as well.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 12, 2010, 08:48:50 pm
my wife told me the same thing Martin   1 wife- her

sometimes they are just so difficult dont you agree  hahahaha
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Martin on March 12, 2010, 09:50:40 pm
Quote from: 'mpo4747' pid='34196' dateline='1268446045'

No Chinese women .... and No Canadian women either ....
even wanted to be sure I stay away from my ex-wife ....

no problem there, I could not stand to be in the same room as my ex-wife !!!!  LOL


My wife is always interrogating me in regards to my ex wife.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Willy The Londoner on March 12, 2010, 10:30:55 pm
Quote from: 'ttwjr32' pid='34187' dateline='1268438386'

Philip,
our welcome here in GZ and i do have several ladies looking who are
really great ladies here. i also know of one in Jinan that is terrific.
hope to meet you in April

Ted


Well Phillip I hope not to meet you In April!!  I hope that you get sorted with your lady and are so busy with her in Hunan or wherever that you are that you do not have time or the inclinatiuon to go to Guangzhou.  

But if things work the other way then our next get together may well be thousands of miles from our last and I will make the trip to Guangzhou.

Willy
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 13, 2010, 05:02:03 am
i agree hope it all gets sorted out soon if not we can see you i GZ
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Philip on March 17, 2010, 06:47:58 pm
Hi guys,
this week has been very eventful.
Firstly, I have sorted things out with my fiancee. She has some bargaining to do with her ex-husband regarding a house they bought together, but her sums were way off. The brother is getting a lawyer to help them sort it out. We're back on track.

Secondly, I have got a job in Hong Kong, starting in August. It is a teacher in a kindergarten. Good wages, plus generous accommodation allowance. So I will be popping over to Guangzhou and Zhuhai and other places where brothers live to have regular chats and meals and drinks.

Plus today and tomorrow my school has an inspection, the dreaded OFSTED inspection. But my school is very good, so I am not worried. In fact, why am I leaving? Oh yes, to start a new life.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: David5o on March 17, 2010, 06:55:45 pm
Philip,

Great news, .....You won't regret your move to Hong Kong, that's for sure!!
I spent some great years there. And as you say, these days ample opportunities to easily visit the mainland cities.... All the best to you Philip!!

David.......
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Philip on March 17, 2010, 07:04:27 pm
Thanks David,
I will try and get a big enough apartment to let visitors stay. If my wife lets me, that is.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 17, 2010, 09:01:26 pm
well thats great news that it is all working out
wish you the best of everything
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Arnold on March 18, 2010, 12:06:56 am
Great News Philip ! Re-shuffle them old Cards and deal yourself a new Hand ... love it .
Your on your way to some ( like David said ) great year's in Hong Kong and with soon to be your Wife . I can see you smile all the way from Calif . :icon_cheesygrin:
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Willy The Londoner on March 18, 2010, 04:49:30 am
Thats good news Phillip.  Just as well you are not an impulsive guy and you sat back until you had a clear option ahead.

 We may be regular visitors Hong Kong if my wife does not have to keep returning to Heng Yang to renew her exit/entry pass each time!!!.  Or is that a reason to stay in UK??

So you will be in Hong Kong in August to start work.  Next important question have you fixed a date yet for your important visit to Changsha?  Or is that going to wait until you are in HK?

Willy
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: shaun on March 18, 2010, 04:58:28 am
Congratz Phillip.  Good news.   All the best to the two of you.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 23, 2010, 03:23:36 pm
so how did the inspection go Philip? and will you be in HK before august
when you start teaching or just arriving shortly before?
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: Philip on March 23, 2010, 04:09:23 pm
Hi Ted,
thanks for asking. my school received a mark of outstanding, which is the best you can get. I will sell some stuff on EBay, hire a big van to store most of the rest in my house in France in the last week in July.
I will roll up in Hong Kong a couple of days before the 1st August. the school will provide temporary accommodation until I get a flat. Then I will get a 14000 HK monthly couples allowance for a flat, which should be enough.
Title: RE: Trouble in Paradise part deux
Post by: ttwjr32 on March 24, 2010, 11:41:09 am
thats great Philip on the outstanding. any kind of documentation on that
rating which you could put in a file to bring to China for future use??