China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Useful Links And Articles => Topic started by: brett on July 20, 2010, 07:26:10 am
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Hi all,
I don't know if this has been posted before, but this site is a goldmine of useful information:
http://jimslists.com/ (http://jimslists.com/)
All newbies should read this and his anti-scam sites. They're mainly about Russian women, but women are women whatever country they come from.
In general I think the takehome message is:
Most foreign ladies on dating sites are after green cards/visas
Avoid anyone under 30
Avoid anyone who complains about their living standard or money (I wish I'd known this!)
Take the Willy/Ted option and live in their own country - this is the best way to avoid scammers!
Chnlove = bad (we all know that, so no news here)
Cherry Blossoms = hmmmm (which is exactly what I thought of them as they just aren't serious about removing dishonest ladies)
Chinese Love Links and the other Cupid Media sites are amongst the best
Introduction agencies are much better than dating sites (although sadly I've failed to find a single honest China/UK based one for Chinese ladies)
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Brett, I wouldn't put to much faith into this "Jim List" site. Most of the posters there are the same ones that post on every other site related to asian dating. They also sign in under different names and tell a similar story again. Making the appearance of many when it is only one.
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i think this is just like anything else in that you take the good with the bad. in all reality if you dont jump in
head first and really rationalize and ask the correct questions in the beginning then you dont get burned.
and also not accept all the poor answers for as to why this isnt going to happen or this wont happen just
cut the ties immediately if after 2 times you get the same response or a vague response remember she isnt the only one out there
yes chnlove does have the poor agencies and translators that are only looking for the almighty dollar,but if
you dont prolong it and cut your ties early then you dont get scammed or maybe the correct terminology
should be taken for a short ride for a few dollars thru letter writing. scamming to me is when someone
tries to swindle a large amount of money out of you so i think when the man doesnt use his head and act
accordingly then he almost always yells scam when in reality it is stupidity on his part for allowing it to go on.
all businesses are out to make money its just how they approach that is what matters most.
anyway yes as vince has said most of these are written and rewritten on many sites which makes it look to be
more of a problem than it really is.
but if you want to continue to think with the wrong head please join willy and my site and willy or i will write you
some pretty good letters hahahahhaah just joking
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but if you want to continue to think with the wrong head please join willy and my site and willy or i will write you
some pretty good letters hahahahhaah just joking
What the letters are no good? Damn
But I will mentioned that I met Wendy through CHNLOVE, maybe I got lucky, I do not know.
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Oh no,
"Jim's List aka AgencyScams.com Are Crazed, Hypocritical Liars and Must Be Stopped." Can it be true! Jim's real name is Elena Petrova !
find out here:-
http://www.419legal.org/fraudulent-websites-alert/56659-jims-list-aka-agencyscams-com-crazed-hypocritical-liars-must-stopped.html (http://www.419legal.org/fraudulent-websites-alert/56659-jims-list-aka-agencyscams-com-crazed-hypocritical-liars-must-stopped.html)
Brett " a goldmine of useful information " more like a ####pit of disinformation" You can't believe a word any of them say. Non of these types of site of which there are many are well balanced or unbiased. They all have there own agenda.
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did you see the one post about the site Farmers Only????? whats next???
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Personally I think he is stirring the pot. Why else would he put such drivel on this site. Brett is reading it and getting quite a laugh out of it. He may be using our responses on one of his supposed sites where he makes money.
Ignore him.
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Help stamp out Trolls!!!!!!!! ;)
Hehe. Just had to say it.
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Chnlove = bad (we all know that, so no news here)
Really? Can you be more specific as to how chnlove is a scam?
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oh no
Martin missed the NO FEEDING THE TROLLS ... sign
:o
Sorry...I missed that part.
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I did not know that Jim was just a "stage name", Interesting. If you have read there you will see mention of a certain site at least 2 times. (side bar - I am not sure if I should give names of the guys and the site?) I hate to give them any spotlight at all. It's what they want. I know for a fact they "Troll"here.
What I can't understand is their scheme? It is not that they were scammed and wrote about it and moved on. NO! they have been at it for two years that I know of. Reading their story, they weren't even scammed? Something like asking for the girls phone number, email address, IM and home address in the first letter and then not answered? IS NOT A SCAM. But the stooges they are they continue on stating it's all a scam. I now see it as let them waste their lives doing this. We know better here.
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scam---- defraud,swindle, to swindle someone by using a trick,deprive of by deceit,
not getting all the correct info is not a scam just poor business and if you prolong the issue
without trying to get the correct info then thats just stupidity on your part not a scam
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Sure some guys have found wives on chnlove but as far as chnlove members go everyone here is in the minority. Chnlove makes money from the newbies, and they sure played me for a sucker when I first signed up with their fake ladies and duplicate emails. Especially Changsha Love Bridge who were a total disgrace. If they can play me for a sucker then who knows how much money they're making from ordinary joes.
I've learnt a staggering amount about China in the last year (I even have a Chinese business partner now), but I now realise how astonishingly naive we've all been when we start out.
Jim (whoever he is) really does seem to have figured out the good and bad sites and the CLL = good, Cherry Blossoms = ?, Chnlove = Bad is excellent advice. Personally I think introduction agencies are much more sensible option. If anyone knows an honest introduction agency in China I'd be happy to hear it. I did find one with UK links, but guess what, they were more scammers. Sure some of the chnlove complaints on his site might be fake, there are some very dirty dating site wars being played out, much like what happened in the travel niche until the US authorities looked into it a couple of years back and busted some heads. But we all know people on this board who have been scammed or in my case met ladies just looking for a green card and way out of China rather than love.
I've never been out to troll anyone though, it's not my style. Remember though that I am a writer, and a good writer provokes discussion.
Gentlemen, Chnlove and other sites are ripping off newbies left right and centre, so stop moaning about me and give the newbies some decent advice.
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Who is moaning about you? You got the ball rolling with an accusation...now back it with facts. I fail to see how chnlove is a scam. You went to China...you met "Miss Wu". From all your posts, I would suggest she was real. So where was the scam? Did you not meet a real lady? Was this real lady met on chnlove?
Just because you were not able to make a relationship work with "Miss Wu" does not make chnlove a scam. I don't recall seeing anywhere on their web page, a guarantee that you will marry a woman. If you want a guarantee, pay for a wife. But know this, you get what you pay for.
The Changsha Love Bridge agency is NOT chnlove. If you can show me differently, I will apologize. It is an independent agency. It is an agency that we have posted many topics on. It is an agency that more than once, we have recommended members to stay away from. And the longer we are here, the more we hear about other agencies. That said, we also know of great agencies to deal with. But again, these agencies are NOT chnlove.
So where is the scam? I would love to hear facts, rather than accusations. I can make accusations as well, but it doesn't make it fact.
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Gentlemen, Chnlove and other sites are ripping off newbies left right and centre, so stop moaning about me and give the newbies some decent advice.
For a writer you haven't made this little statement clear, "give the newbies some decent advice". Does that mean we don't? One thing this forum does let us post each persons story good or bad. Which means it may be a one sided story but still is leaned with the truth. There is no better advice then that.
In your first paragraph you said, "some found" and "everyone here is in the minority"? I keep a list "Who's Your Mate" http://www.chnlove.info/index.php?topic=86.0 (http://www.chnlove.info/index.php?topic=86.0) Tell me again the minority?
The real minority is the same four guys writing posting on every forum that Chnlove is a scam. Chnlove has their faults and I am not saying there aren't scams going on. But all the sites do. The game is make money isn't it? The same four guys that post under different names at the same site to make it appear there are more then there is are the fake, lying, deceiving guys not giving decent advice.
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I've never been out to troll anyone though, it's not my style. Remember though that I am a writer, and a good writer provokes discussion.
Gentlemen, Chnlove and other sites are ripping off newbies left right and centre, so stop moaning about me and give the newbies some decent advice.
Brett, you're right... you're not a troll... but you are fishing for things. I've been trying to hold off commenting on your posts, but every once in a while, I find that nearly impossible to do. So where to begin this time...
The site... Have you done ANY due diligence before you put any faith in this site? Cripes man... take a look at the site...
1) Follow HIS regulations? WHAT? He's not a trade association (never mind a government body or even the owner of any of these sites)... he's just ONE web site... and some of those regulations... must reply to his and not argue? How's he going to prove that profiles are stolen or not... hidden costs... etc.
2) Official profanity ... Ok, so he's got "regulations" that the "good" sites must follow... then he uses profanity... That's REALLY professional... never mind looking into some of the "why are they on the blacklists"
3) Notice his "sanctioned" list (those of "Gold" and "White") ... if any of them have an affiliate program, he's on it... so what's he trying to do? prevent scams or make money? He seems to be pushing elenasmodels.com a lot... and "A Foreign Affair"... Just in case you can't figure this one out... if he belongs to the affiliate program of ANY agency site, you can NO LONGER be considered a person without bias... ESEPCIALLY if you're promoting ones where you are an affiliate... How does a person know if that site is really a good site...
4) That list at the bottom... hrm... trying to trigger a spider? That's all that those things do...
I couldn't find the testimonials that you guys were talking about (are you talking about the forums?) but that site already set me on edge...
Now... onto the other part... you (Brett) ... You're fishing for sympathy and justification here... you really are. When given advice, you spurned it... when you were burned, you refuse to take any responsibility... and now, at every opportunity, you feel justified in trying to slag everyone you think is responsible for that burn... all I can say is MOVE ON ALREADY! I'm sure Ms. Wu was at fault for part of your relationship, but you are as well... and you can't seem to move past her as well... you try a new thing and when it doesn't work out, you go back to blaming others... How many posts have we seen from you about this? There is a regular pattern to this...
I might get in trouble for this post, but to be honest, I'm sick of your sob story. I'd rather you go back to your "money making internet businesses" and your "postings" on other sites more receptive to your tales of woe... here, with your credibility, at best, you are a source for comic relief...
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Does this mean that I have been scammed........she sure looks real to me.
I met a girl and now the rest is up to me/us to make the relationship work, I have read the fine print and nowhere did I read that CHNLOVE would be there to give me advice on how to make a relationship work.
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yes Jason you have been scammed. when you leave she morfs back into the woman she really is. its all
part of the elaborate scheme that chnlove has managed to precure to deceive all men lol!!!!!!!!!!!
all kidding aside it just seems like Brett was more taken with ms wu than she was of him and it didnt
work and now he is bitter and cant seem to get over the hump and move on. and now this will effect
everything he does from this point on
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Dating website created fake profilesAAP
July 22, 2010, 2:56 pm
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The operator of dating website Red Hot Pie has been ordered by the federal court to disclose to its users that it operated 1,371 of its own profiles on the website.
The federal court found that Jetplace created fake profiles to send "flirts" and messages to users.
The court declared that Jetplace contravened the Trade Practices Act 1974 by engaging in misleading conduct and by representing that membership of the website had benefits that it did not have.
The court also declared that Jetplace directors Maxwell James McGuire and Mark Semaan were aware of the offending conduct.
Jetplace has been ordered to publish a corrective notice when each user of the website who registered between December 2004 and November 26, 2008 next logs on, and to send a copy of the notice to the email address of each user.
Users can also apply for refunds if they can demonstrate that they were misled by the conduct into paying for membership of the website.
Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) chairman Graeme Samuel said the website operators had a legal responsibility to ensure the information they placed on the website was accurate.
"Had this conduct occurred after the introduction of the new Australian Consumer Law, it is likely the ACCC would have sought from the court civil pecuniary penalties," he said.
"Such penalties can be up to $1.1 million for companies and $220,000 for individuals."
Mr McGuire said the 1,371 profiles were created over a four-year period for the User Security Suite and only "a small number" of those profiles were active at any given time.
"This part of the Red Hot Pie User Security Suite was voluntarily deactivated in November 2008 following the identification of the ACCC's concerns," he said.
"This part of the site's User Security Suite would have been of minimal inconvenience to bona fide members of the site, and most will not have been aware of its existence or its passing."
just a small bit of information .
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interesting read wonder if it would work for independant offices like Changsha love bridge????
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Interesting article Robert. It would be nice to see Chnlove challenged in this way, but being Hong Kong based they're largely out of reach from our authorities.
All I will say is Chnlove has many more beautiful ladies than on any other dating site I've tried, which is fairly suspicious in itself. How many are real ladies? We really have no way of telling.
My lady did actually exist which is good as going all that way to meet a lady who didn't exist would have been very irritating. On the downside she was just another lady looking for a green card. There's more to her story which I haven't yet discovered, but she certainly seems very anxious to move her family out of China for some reason.
I like the idea of finding a wife based on personal recommendation, so I am building up my contacts in Asia in the hope that someone knows somebody nice and genuine :).
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So you are speculating that because they have many women listed, that they are a scam? That is a weak argument.
And as for Miss Wu, If she is a green card chaser also does not make chnlove a scam. It only makes her look questionable.
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You know this morning I don't want to be rude or anything but Brett I just had a thought. If Ms. Wu had been a green card chaser don't you think she would have been more than happy to put up with your crap? If memory serves me correctly, and I am not about to go back and re-read your adventure, your largest complaint other than the fact that we were bugging your for her first name, was she seemed disinterested in you.
So I am having a hard time trying to understand this green card chaser issue. I don't think wanting to bring her parents with her qualifies her or that she wanted to get married in England qualifies her either.
You really ought to re-read what mustfocus said 10 to 20 times and take it to heart. I really think he hit the nail on the head.
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I'm currently looking for a lady in my own country......... May 24
Korean ladies are nice - there's one I might write to. I have 20 ladies I need to sort through at the weekend.
I'm shortlisting Japanese ladies, they are all alpha females so hopefully I won't need to work much anyway.
I'll second the motion that guys are better off on Chinese Love Links.
He did have good things to say about Filipina ladies, so maybe this is a route worth considering.
As to me I'm still pursuing the Japanese route.
I am building up my contacts in Asia in the hope that someone knows somebody nice and genuine.... July 22
Brett, no wonder I'm confused as to exactly what your up too, these post where all in the last 8 weeks! You seem to be all over the place! I think maybe you would do better to concentrate your efforts instead of posting dubious "anti -scam sites" owed by a bloke called Elena.
I do wish you every success but is this the way to go about it? are you serious or just playing at it?
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Paul...hahahah
I noticed this about Brett BEFORE I went to qingdao in NOVEMBER...hahaha
Shaun
" You really ought to re-read what mustfocus said 10 to 20 times and take it to heart. "
Hahahaha nice one
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Wow! Didn't really expect that kind of response. 8)
Seriously though, it's rare that only one person in a relationship is the only one at fault when it falls apart. I just wish Brett would realise this and move on. He may be a nice guy offline (I don't know... but I can hope so)... but until he learns to let go, I think he's going to ruin his next relationship.
Ah well... I can try to be optimistic.
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... but until he learns to let go, I think he's going to ruin his next relationship.
Well said, is this not what everyone does after a relationship? I did anyway. Questions like...what went wrong, what did I learn, if in the same situation again how would I react? There is probably thousands more and I bet everyone has their own. But the crux is if you sit there and procrastinate over everything you will get no where and it will effect every decision you make from that point on until you learn to let go.
Just my thought on how I decided to make my life better. And look what happened to me.........
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its been said many times "JUST LET IT GO" very simple solution
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Just some advice on the topic which some people will find useful. If you are in doubt of a websites sincerity there are simple ways to check. In my line of work we harvest and collect information globally (trust me not manually) about all registered domain names. If a domain name becomes subject for complaints repeatedly this information gets added to a centralised database. This is a complex system and it works in conjunction with firewalls, proxys etc to automatically block connection to these sites. Or for an example give the user a warning first that visiting this site is not recommended due to several reports of scam, fraud attempts, Hosting malware etc. Such system is costly but some consumer security products have them integrated nowadays. But you can manually check the site if its been reported for anything related to cybercrime. A very good source to do so is:
http://www.malwareurl.com/ (http://www.malwareurl.com/)
Its not #1 in the world but its one of the better and its free to check. www.chnlove.com (http://www.chnlove.com) does come out clean there, But didnt on the system im behind right now which i just "borrow" from an old client who payed heaps for it (its also blocked by Vipre Enterprise). Got warning since yesterday that domain is listed uncer Cybercrime for SCAM. It havent complained earlier. It started just yesterday so probably the threshold for how many complaints or reports have been filed against the registrar has just gone over. You can submit domains for analysis to the above also if you are suspicious and they will do thorough checks. For you who lives in China now, whenever u use your computer u are immediate subjects for being potential labrats. 80% of all malicious sourcecode originates from Ukraine, Russia and China. You wont know if u caught it, and ur not meant to either. Normal commercial security products are defenseless against it. Its purpose inside your computer could be one of many but they are written to not make any "noise" to arouse suspicion. If you have any concerns just PM me, its been my profession for long and i´ll gladly help. Im gonna have alot of fun when i jack in over there i suspect. Most clients i have worked for actually block the whole IP range assigned for China, Russia, Ukraine and Brazil to minimize the risk of being exposed, or making stealth trojans harmless because they cant connect back to their control center.
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Mikael,
not being the most computer savy person in the world i have a question on this. how are these sites getting reported? do you mean there are complaints logged online at a location reporting them and then that data is compiled? i went on the site you recommended here and i see were their are the latest reported but it just gives ip addresses and not names of sites. living here in china it has always been a concern of mine on something getting on my computer even though i do have protection.
also some of the scamming reported is really not scamming by the ladies but actually guys not using there head when writing to ladies and when it goes south then they do cry they have been scammed which is really not the case. but there are at least 2 agencies i know of that do scam and have non existant members or do the old bait and switch when you get here and after
someone complains to the main agency you get the standard form letter reply.
maybe they should be reported so it doesnt continue. they were mentioned here in the forum several times and i just dont remember the posting that was under but i guess could be searched for with a little time. one was in shenzhen and the other in changsha if my memory serves me correct.
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Mikael,
not being the most computer savy person in the world i have a question on this. how are these sites getting reported? do you mean there are complaints logged online at a location reporting them and then that data is compiled? i went on the site you recommended here and i see were their are the latest reported but it just gives ip addresses and not names of sites. living here in china it has always been a concern of mine on something getting on my computer even though i do have protection.
also some of the scamming reported is really not scamming by the ladies but actually guys not using there head when writing to ladies and when it goes south then they do cry they have been scammed which is really not the case. but there are at least 2 agencies i know of that do scam and have non existant members or do the old bait and switch when you get here and after
someone complains to the main agency you get the standard form letter reply.
maybe they should be reported so it doesnt continue. they were mentioned here in the forum several times and i just dont remember the posting that was under but i guess could be searched for with a little time. one was in shenzhen and the other in changsha if my memory serves me correct.
Malwareurl are part of a much bigger network of security companies who does nothing but collect and compile this kind of data and share it. You can type in the IP adress also instead of the domain name if its lacking. It works also.
These companies do pretty thorough research before listing anyone, and if there are circumstances involved if will be displayed under the reaspn why they were listed.
But yes, i do agree and i believe the legal owners to this business, Qbit, based in HK if im not misstaken are probably the least of the scammers. Its all about money yes, but its business. The majority of the scammers are most likely shady translators and/or listed ladies. Add to that the amount of insult and blames coming from guys who just didnt score and cant take it for the fact that reason they didnt was perhaps themselves.
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Mikael,
exactly that was what i was trying to say. yes there are a few agencies that are a little unscrupolous in their business
practices because they are looking at right now and not long term money that they could recieve from members.
but i feel that most of the scamming mentioned is really not scamming but people thinking they are the saviours of the
women here and we are not that at all. if your writing or start writing you should already have the commitment to be here
to visit within 90 days or so or otherwise they move on as well they should. depending on the amount of writing you should
at least be here within 5 months at max or dont expect great results.
also matching up with a tremendous age difference is also a formula for failure also on these sites. the only success i know of there is my partner as he is about 100 years older than his lady but he wont admit it. (Willy here on the forum)
the owners of the chnlove our based in hong kong but the owners do live here in guangzhou but so far i have been unable
to locate an office. i would think most of their rating for scam is a direct result of these guys who cry wolf after a while when they
dont commit in the positive way they should. just my twist on it.
Ted
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Yes Ted. I fully agree and believe the same. Im planning to go in 4 months give and take, but i will also be stuck in Beijing first 4 weeks. I will also stay 6 months, or more. Depending if i can get more work beyond the minimum 20 weeks im guaranteed. Or if i decide to work remotely and stay. Impossible to say now, it all depends on what will happen during my stay. But i think having plan b and c in place as options before leaving is far better then not.
Im pretty sure their office is Virtual. Its extremely common in these countries , and especially HK which for some Businesses becomes an offshore tax paradise. Also, im guessing for the owners of Chnlove they would prefer not to have a physical office where western idiots would come to harass them hehe.
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Mike , I know your Story and I will tell you .. what you went through to win this Lady's ( Jessica ) heart is truely a Love Story . If I ever meet you in Person , I'll tip my Hat ( chinese or regular ) to you . I certainly hope , Martin and In-Jaul did the same .. or else !
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YES you should be ready to visit within 3 or 4 months Mike. you got lucky and were the exception to the rule but for
the newbies i wouldnt advise waiting over a year to go there. thats just a formula for disaster. the lady will feel your
not sincere.
so for you newbies starting out be ready and plan to go meet your lady very soon rather than later
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I agree with you Ted, but many guys kind of stumble onto chnlove. For myself, I had no intention of meeting someone from China, let alone travel there in the near future. For many, they don't believe this is real, so they give it some extra time. I agree one should go to China in that time frame, but a trip like this takes some planning. I think if guys are honest about their situation, and whether or not they can travel right away, the lady will be patient. Of course that being said, there is also the scenario where a woman is writing to more than one man, and sometimes it is "first come, first served." I saw this situation recently here.
Arnold, I gave him a drive to the subway station...does that count?
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I agree with you Ted, but many guys kind of stumble onto chnlove. For myself, I had no intention of meeting someone from China, let alone travel there in the near future. For many, they don't believe this is real, so they give it some extra time. I agree one should go to China in that time frame, but a trip like this takes some planning. I think if guys are honest about their situation, and whether or not they can travel right away, the lady will be patient. Of course that being said, there is also the scenario where a woman is writing to more than one man, and sometimes it is "first come, first served." I saw this situation recently here.
Arnold, I gave him a drive to the subway station...does that count?
Im kinda laughing inside when im reading, considering what happened to me over the last 12-14 months (see post in newb). And i certainly stumbled, klicked an ad by mistake when i was gonna click something else. Got of with what seems to be a great connection, again stumbled upon the offer to go to China for 6 months , just happen to actually be able to which is not normally the case for me as im usually always contracted for work...
and just today i got a fortune cookie , that ironically said:
"Follow your intuition, the universe is guiding your life"
Lucky Numbers:95 72 37 46
More to be taken as a funny coincident then anything else, but its already been 12 months of unexpected downhills on this rollercoaster ride called life so have to start climbing sometime
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I don't call it luck .... I call it Destiny ... and for those who know me well .... God's Plan
I still do not agree about the 90 days ..... sometimes people need to take time ... so I guess we just do not agree
well we have more then 25 married couples on here now ... so how many of you married men went to China to meet you wife less then 91 days from the first letter?
I can add, my ex and me was purely virtual for more then a year before we met in real first time. This time will be ~6 months. But like said, its a different story for every individual.
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Mike it was 7 weeks for me.From the time I Wrote the first letter.To my first trip to China.When I started writing to my wife.Everybody on the Chinlove forum Was posting.That if you weren't planning to go to China.In the next 2 months.You shouldn't write to a lady.Because it would look like that you weren't serious.And that all you would end up with was a expensive pen pal.
As long as I have ben on these forums.From the official to Face book. And then to here.You are the only person.I know who has talked to a lady.For more then six months.And made a relationship out of it.Most people do crash and burn at the 6 month mark.So yes you are one of the lucky ones.And Jessica is a real classy lady.With allot of hart.She still believed in you.After you put her threw this.Most woman would of kicked you to the curb after 5 to 6 months.
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I don't call it luck .... I call it Destiny ... and for those who know me well .... God's Plan
I still do not agree about the 90 days ..... sometimes people need to take time ... so I guess we just do not agree
well we have more then 25 married couples on here now ... so how many of you married men went to China to meet you wife less then 91 days from the first letter?
I can add, my ex and me was purely virtual for more then a year before we met in real first time. This time will be ~6 months. But like said, its a different story for every individual.
I agree completely man, it was a year before I saw my Li she was very patient in fact more so than I was. I have read a few threads you put up, But from what I hear the story you have to tell is well One I would like to hear sometime.
My wife and I have gone through a lot together and she never gives up on me no matter how stupid I am. It was along wait for us to meet but I married her the first day I was in China. And so far a year later no regrets.
She never talks about going to America. She is mostly worried about me seeing my daughter there.
If she is scamming me. She is the best I have ever seen. She still can't figure out how to copy and paste with her computer. I would be very surprised.
And actually living here with her has made a big difference in me. If a guy can do it If you can live with the woman even a month It will relieve a lot of stress from the what If's. Some of the crap I have done. This woman would have left me long ago if she did not truly love me
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True enough Mike.I agree with you.
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haha its getting confusing sometimes reading the replies. Normally elsewhere everyone calls me Mike too lol... had a few ???
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Mike O...or Reverend Mike might also work.