China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Useful Links And Articles => Topic started by: Martin on September 08, 2010, 11:56:43 pm
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I stumbled on this site tonight. Though others might want to see it as well.
http://www.chnlovescam.com/ (http://www.chnlovescam.com/)
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Good article. I know people get scammed, And I don't care where you go or what business you are in. There will always be someone trying to get something for nothing.
But in the case of Chnlove which we all know I had my battles with. I believe they are doing the best they can. It is the agency in their network that has scammed you. Or in many cases 1 bad translator in that Agency.
I hate how 1 or 2 greedy people can screw things up for so many good honest people.
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At first glance I thought that this was Chinalove trying to cover their backsides and didn't bother to reply. But after reading Jimmy's post I have had another look and have to agree, it is the agencies or a couple of bad apples within them that make the others seem bad.
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Yes, I agree with Jimmy and Jason ,truly ,the site is good one ,but some agencies and translators 's make something wrong in this business. Let us
together anti-scammer !
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This is my favorite topic. I will probably get banned for this.
Personally I think it is a scam to cover up their complacency in ignoring their member agencies practices. An attempt to put a respectable face on a shady money mill. All they have to do is open one eye and the truth will stare them in the face. I have dealt with different affiliate agencies of Chnlove.com and they all behave the same way.
I really don’t mind paying the EMF fees if there was some sort of guarantee that you were actually talking the lady you think. One sincere phone call or a video chat on QQ would convince me that the lady was at least aware of what was going on before you start shelling out EMF dollars.
But they steer you away from direct contact with many lame excuses. They start with the "I don’t have access to a computer" and when you shoot that one down then they counter with " But please forgive me but I don't have any computer skills" and on and on.
And I believe that in most cases (in my experience) the first Admire letter does not come from the lady at all. They come from the agencies, casting out bait to see if they can catch a fish. They don’t even read your profile other than the introduction so they have your name and age right. I have complained bitterly to Chnlove and so far they have slapped one of their agencies on the wrist and allowed me direct contact. And when I did contact the lady it was obvious to me she had no idea of the previous letters we had supposedly exchanged and she was not at all interested in me. Chnlove knows full well what is going on and will not make any attempt to correct it as long as the EMF revenue is coming in. How could they not know when most of their agencies are doing this.
They don’t read your profile. If they did they would find the message that I left to the agencies in my profile. I will show it to you.. but wait!
Man this is beautiful. What perfect timing. While I was busy ranting in this message I received another admire letter and it is right on target of what I am trying to say.
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From: Weirong Liang ( Profile ID: P682037 )
Country: China
Date: Sep 09, 2010 Mail ID: DBIIDJAG
Hi dear Gerry
How are you there? When I read your profile, I read it over & over to be sure I have read it correctly. Your words touch my heart & I will try to see if you might have a interest in me. I write to you because I think you are sincere & you want the same as myself, to love & be loved with a mutual respect & understanding of each other.
I am a very loving,caring , and family oriented traditional Chinese woman. I enjoy hiking, long walks,& taking in nature, movies, TV, watching sports, etc. & also having someone to love & be loved.
I really like you a lot & I really feel like we could have a loving relationship. I am a intimate and romantic lady. I love to have sweet kisses and make passionate love with my love. I also think that a gentle touch of the hand, a soft sweet kiss a loving look, a sweet smile, a gentle hug, a squeeze of the hand are all little things that lets your loved one know that you care very much..Do you agree?
Bla, bla, bla…
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She is probably a very sweet lady and or she is a complete fabrication. But the agency is using her for a revenue stream. She is probably one of their best producers or they would have found her a husband by now. I checked her profile. She has been register at Chnlove since August 2008 (over two years). And she didn’t write this letter and the agency that wrote it did not read my profile. “I read it over & over to be sure I have read it correctly.” Total Crap.
I’ll show you my profile. It is not sweet and it will not “touch your heart” It is actually quite rude. But it contains the message I wish to convey and is direct and to the point.
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PLEASE READ
Average guy. Intelligent, Professional Engineering. Semi retired. I like movies, dancing. dining, walking and just being with friends.
Please do not write to me with mushy poetic jargon about having seen my smile you instantly fell in love... YUK. Get real. Read my profile and really talk with me. If you can't do that then you are not my type. If you do not answer the following queston I will delete your letter. Please let me know why you are interested in an older, mature man like me.
I do not need another penpal.If you will really write to me serious meaningful letters then I will correspond with you. I have no time for meaningless chit chat. Your first letter should contain detailed information about you and your family, your child and your divorce. You should know that the first thing I will ask you for will be real casual unmodified photos. Following that I will ask for direct communications by video chat so you can prove you are who you say you are. If you can not meet these requirements then please do not waste your time writing to me at all.
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Now, do you think she or the agency read my profile? It’s not just this one. They are all like this. I have deleted dozens upon dozens of these type of letters. One out of 50 makes it through my BS filter and I actually respond to the lady. The only reason I am still having any dealing at all with Chnlove is because I still have a balance of Cupid credits. And when those are gone I will say good bye to them.
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Pineau man you are right on the money. You have made my point exactly. Chnlove didn't read your profile and the woman maybe, there are some strange ones and the Agency they don't care. Some agency translator trying to generate a cash flow. that is one guy. How does that make the whole program bad? And as far as a guarantee, you are talking to that exact person, Man it's a risk and you will never get any guarantee from any of these companies. As they can no way monitor every single letter written the volume is to much. Chnlove is like the network and hookup all of these agencies, Believe me if you have a serious problem like a few of us have had and you make enough noise about it to the right people you will get action. I think the translator that my wife and I managed to have ejected is still looking for work. And we have checked back a few times to make sure he was really fired.
Man I know its annoying but it all falls back to the old saying no risk no gain. And these women have different thoughts and dreams than the scum bags we are used to seeing in like the US.
I have saved every letter my wife and I ever wrote to each other. I let her read them all one night and I was amazed some of the stuff I was sure had come from some translator, Man it was from her. She did show some stuff she had no Idea who wrote. And she also showed me a dozen or so letters she does not remember ever getting from me. And a few times she wrote some stuff and the translator spiced it up a little.
Some of these guys are so crooked they can't even walk straight, And others are working for their girl helping her to keep you interested that is all that it is. and they actually help your letters from time to time to help you keep her interested.
Chnlove they have a lot of problems but it's people like you and me that can help them straighten some of this crap out. And honestly I think they want to. You getting scammed out of a few emf credits. Tell them, if you can, help them find the source of the problem they will refund the credits I am proof of that.
I am a little older than a lot of these guys and still younger than a few old farts. And I tell you just complaining and pointing a finger at someone and saying they are no good. That will help nothing.
I married a very wonderful girl thanks to her. Chnlove showed me who she was and a scamming translator he let a few to many real letters slip through that we actually found each other and got him fired. I think the girl that took his place was afraid to try anything so we got some real communication going And we moved on to our own using text message and eventually I bought her a computer. The agency was really doing more harm than good. they would call her on the phone and read my letters to her. And she dictate to them what she wanted to send me. She never one time got a hard copy of my letters or pictures. But we both hung in there, and are stressing out waiting for a visa now and doing it together. If it's money your worried about Don't because what you can get from all of this crap in the end is priceless.
What I am trying to tell ya is man its all a a big game with big risk and you never know the out come till it's over. sometimes you lose but the wins are enormous.
Stay in the game brother as soon as you quit they win and you lose. Don't get angry play smart. I will guarantee you one thing, You are smarter than these agency guys and the only way they can beat you is if you let them.
Sorry guys sometimes I just get on a roll or a ramble call it what you want.
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Just came upon while searching something completely different
http://www.pfishy.com/chnlove.com (http://www.pfishy.com/chnlove.com)
Not much of nice feedback lol
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No the lady probably didn't read your profile.That is why she hired the agency.These ladies in most cases pay big money to have thiere profile posted with the agencies.So they would like a guarantee of success.Can you blame them.They just spent a couple of months worth of thiere income.For a chance to meet a nice guy.
I tell you what.You guys can do.Send me your wages for 2 months.Along with your information.And a couple of photos.I will hook you up with a nice Chinese woman.If for some reason you and the lady can't make the connection.It isn't my fault.So who wants to sign up with Maxx's match making service.I know allot of Chinese ladies from 18 to 55 years old.
Guys Chnlove is a business thire for they are in business to make money.The corporate offices are based in Hong Kong.The agencies operate in the mainland.And just like any other business in China.They are not bound by any morals or scruples.That you are accustomed to.If you have a problem with the way.Chnlove does business.Don't do business with them.Thiere is probably over a 100 different companies.That offer to introduce you to a Chinese woman.And probably another 100 companies that offer to introduce.You to woman from all parts of Asia.
My question to you guys.Is if Chnlove is so bad.Why are you looking for a woman.On thiere web site?Also I have another question.If Chnlove is so bad.What do you say.To Reverend Mike,Arnold,Okie Rob,Brian Mc,Paul Todd,Peter I Spy, Martin,Irishman,tom Fisher fish,Scott,Buzz,Nik,Jim Burk,myself.And to anyone else I mite of forgot.Did all of these guys get scammed.Does this mean my wife.And are 2 kids are a scam.If so Somebody owes me allot of money.
The point is yes some guys do get worked by Chnlove.Or the agencies.This is how business works in China.Buyer be aware.Keep your head up.And your eyes open.Be in control of the situation the relationship.If it's bad get the hell out.Why be a marter if you don't have to be?
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I went through the whole site that Martin provided the link for. My opinion has not changed. Chnlove was and is still a scam site.
Before those of you who found wonderful women to marry get all upset because me and a few other still say it is a scam please continue reading. The though that comes to mind is that to be successful at doing a scam on such a huge scale you have to have a few successes. If you didn't then the men who are looking for women would leave and go elsewhere. So for you fortunate few I say congratulations. I am happy for you. But for me it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth because they scammed me for over $300.00. Have they offered to give me my money back? Come on get real. It won't happen.
It is not as if I would want to go back. I have found the woman of my dreams. Why would I go back? TO GET MY MONEY.
I remember when I first joined this site in June 09, and I had actually been reading it since April 09, the talk was about the 70/30 success rate. Before some of you new people think the wrong thing, we figured that only 30% of the men here found success. We used to talk about what could be done to improve those odds. Then several of us left chnlove and 2 found success right away. I remember, David I hope you don't mind, David E about ready to give up all together. He changes sites and look what happened. I dare to say he is the happiest man in Australia other than Robert. I wonder what the success rate is since many of us left chnlove? I don't think you can really call me a success yet because we are not married yet but next month Peggy and me have been together 1 year. I've also applied for a K-1 visa.
I don't remember reading where Chnlove has stepped up to the plate and worked things out for anyone on this site. If they had I am sure it would be all over this site. The lucky man would be shouting from the top of his monitor. The silence is deafening.
So until I hear of them actually doing something I don't believe it. Giving me my money back would help to restore my faith a little.
I just had a thought. Think about the 70/30 rate. Lets say 10 men spend $8.00 to write and receive 1 letter a day. So the site makes $24.00 on three successful men and Chn has to work for it a little. The 7 spend $56.00. They have 1 person reply to 7 men who do not have a clue to what is going on. Let us say that the seven men go through 3 women before they figure out it is a scam. That is an extra $112.00 a day over and above the $56.00. Now multiply that by 2000 men and your income from scamming is $336,000.00 a day scamming profit. It is not to their interest to be honest.
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I think both maxx and shaun has valid points.
But you get scammed at the supermarket too, perhaps on the apples. That doesnt mean the roastbeef is a scam.
Point is, business is money. Any business. Ur getting scammed and ripped off everywhere. But those who can read the
game and see when the apples are rotten usually dont get scammed in the end either.
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Mikkie,
I do not agree with your last statement. I don't think all business is a scam. Many business owners try to do everything they do with integrity. Some could be much larger than they are in business but choose to do it honestly and know they are hurting their profit margin.
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the only way they will gain credibility is to actually remove agencies that scam people and we
all know of a couple. that would give them a tremendous amount of credability in everyones eyes.
but as with all these dating sites there are good with the bad.
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Mikkie,
I do not agree with your last statement. I don't think all business is a scam. Many business owners try to do everything they do with integrity. Some could be much larger than they are in business but choose to do it honestly and know they are hurting their profit margin.
I didnt mean ALL down to the letter. But theres a saying that its the opportunity that makes the thief. If u look like a fool when u leave your car to the repairshop, the bill will be made for a fool too. What im saying is most will take advantage of you when it comes to business, if they see the opportunity. And that goes for all business no matter you bake bread or build IC components for space shuttles. Hehe, Chnlove is far from unique.
And even if the business owner despise all kind of scams or rip offs. Whats there to say all hes employed will?
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OK,...I want to throw my voice into this debate...and lets keep in mind, that this is a debate, and not everyone will have the same view. Debate is a good thing. First and foremost, for any of the newer members, we are NOT affiliated in any way with chnlove.com Most of us have come from there...since it was their forum that allowed us to advertise this site.
Shaun, I am going to disagree with you about chnlove being a scam site. I do not believe this at all. However, that being said, I think there are many agencies operating under the chnlove umbrella that leave a lot to be desired. I suspect that these individual agencies, when dealing with Chinese men from China (Or HK) probably are great agencies to deal with. However, these agencies when dealing with a foreigner find it easy to scam money out of us, because odds are, we aren't going to go all the way to China to meet the woman...I am assuming that is the case.
So who is at fault? Chnlove customer care gets a complaint about ABC True Love Agency in Somewhere China, that the translator has been fudging the EMF letters...they investigate, and the agency has already covered its tracks. So from chnlove standpoint, the agency has shown they have done nothing wrong. I don't think the site is a scam...I just think the system is broke, and needs to be fixed. I doubt if chnlove sees their business as being broken.
But here lies the root of the problem...the individual agencies. I would be willing to bet, if there was another site running a similar setup as chnlove.com, that the same problems would be persistent. When you go to other sites, you have less chances of being scammed by a translator of a rogue agency, but you do run a higher risk of being scammed by an individual.
That's my thought.
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There are ways of increasing your chances of success and weeding out the dubious, be they agencies, translators or the ladies themselves. That in a large part is why this independent forum exists. Like Arnold said in another post " We have all the answers here but not necessarily the right ones" :) sorry if I got that wrong Arnold but I think it was close.
Yes, I am one of the "lucky" ones, do I believe that I just happen to fall into this category as some sort of percentage that was allowed to succeed? No. I was successful because I had a wealth of good advice here from guy's that had been through it before me and were willing to share it. Don't get me wrong I'm in no way saying CL is perfect and some of the stunts they pull are indefensible as we have all witnessed.
There is one thing that we should take into account and that's us,western guy's and our expectations. How many of us when we started out had any idea about Chinese people and their customs that was based on fact and not some received wisdom? How many of us take the time and make a real effort to learn and understand the world our prospective wives are actually living in? I think a lot of failures are down to us and our attitude, maybe more than we are willing to admit. Saying that there are guy's who are genuinely burnt by CL all we can do here is share that information and hopefully cut down the number of times it happens. Shaun I'm not upset by your view of CL in any way,that's the beauty of this site your free to express your opinions. CL is a Chinese company who play by Chinese rules like Maxx said we all have a choice to use them or go else where, for me it was the best move I made in a very long time and I will always be thankful that I joined.
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Mikael, I have been around that site for more then a year now. I call it the "P" site because that is half of what it's full of, the other half is even worse. I have read and heard all the different stories there, here and elsewhere so I am not saying there isn't any scamming going on just that site lies, fluffs, exaggerates and is basically fake reports. I know for a fact that there are three guys, two most of the time that just write it's a scam? No story, or proof just to have a rating.
If you read the posts there most will say the scam is they bought credits? D'uh! it's a business and that's not a scam. You choose to. Others on there boost how they have multiple profiles and harass the women and when the women stop writing them or don't want to meet them they cry scam? And yes they have been on here too. So take it as just another site with no sound confirmation.
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Vince is really our expert when it comes to that particular web page.
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Few posts above Mikael gave an interesting link of the site where people leave their reviews of different dating sites and agencies
http://www.pfishy.com/reviews/dating_sites (http://www.pfishy.com/reviews/dating_sites)
Reviews of chnlove.com are not good (actually they are mainly either bad or neutral) BUT:
1) satisfied customers often have less motivation to give feedback than angry customers
2) almost all dating sites there (which have a fair number of reviewers) result in 30 to 55% or "bad" grades - chnlove.com being in that range --> 48%
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Few posts above Mikael gave an interesting link of the site where people leave their reviews of different dating sites and agencies
http://www.pfishy.com/reviews/dating_sites (http://www.pfishy.com/reviews/dating_sites)
Reviews of chnlove.com are not good (actually they are mainly either bad or neutral) BUT:
1) satisfied customers often have less motivation to give feedback than angry customers
2) almost all dating sites there (which have a fair number of reviewers) result in 30 to 55% or "bad" grades - chnlove.com being in that range --> 48%
Crystal....read Vince's thread above. You can not take those statistics as gospel. Vince, as well as a couple of us spent a lot of time on their site in the past, and it is the same people posting over and over. They don't actually provide any facts...just say it is a scam. Vince can probably better explain their game.
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It just came to my attention , in favour for lovechn´s adminstration.
Theres another player who might be out to scamm you. The woman herself. and there are evidence enough to show that happens just reading here.
As far as concerns the P site. i was googling some info about Wuhan when it showed up. i spent 20 seconds scrolling . So i have no opinion about it. I only shared it.
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Mikael could you please post a link to one of the threads you were refering to.In your last post.I seem to remember some outrages dowries some of the girls wanted for thiere families.And I remember.Vince posting a while back.About a woman who he thought was working some kind of scam(Sorry Vince I don't remember the details).
WHat it ussualy comes down to is the Agency where the lady signed up at.Is the one running the scam.And the woman knows nothing about the scam.We have seen that happen a number of times.And we have seen the bate and switch a number of times.The agencies use theese tactics.To keep the money flowing.
One poor guy on here wrote to a lady for about 3 months.Just about every day.When he showed up in China.The lady told him she had no idea who he was.And that she had never recieved a letter from him.So I tend to think that it is more the agencies blame then it is the woman.
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Cant resist my 2 bob's worth in this little debate !!!!
For the record, I made 5 abortive trips to China to meet CHNLove Ladies after doing the whole pre-amble by EMF (Duh !!)
I was very naieve, I admit it, and I should have known better...but emotions sometimes get in the way of reality, as many of us here know from bitter experiences.
The reason these trips crashed and burned you all know already...the Ladies were NOT as represented in the profiles, they had played little part in the overall composition and content of the EMF's...most of it was Translator Fluff.
I felt cheated, betrayed and humiliated.....(pompous prick) !!!!! A Man of my age and experience should have known better....if its too good to be true, it probably isnt !!!
I never really felt that I had been scammed however, because scamming to me means that the Lady or her "minders" deliberately set out to get money from the Punters and nothing else. I dont think that many of the CHNLove ladies are in that category.
Whether or not, extracting EMF's under dubious circumstances can be considered as scamming...I dont know, but I dont think so. Unethical, unprincipalled, cheap...yes, but scamming ...Mmmmmm
When finally I got to the Brotherhood and started to read and get advice from the experts here, it all became very clear that I had brought much of my pain on myself by lack of due diligence and lack of common sense. Yes...mea culpa !!!!
I felt disinclined to go back to the CHNLove scenario, because I was disillusioned, so like Shaun , I tried other sites where the contact was with the Lady herself, not an Agency or a Translator. Boy !! on these sites there are some REAL scammers...you gotta be double careful, but at least you are wise to the possibility, it never occured to me that CHNLove was anything but honest and ethical (dummy)
CHNLove Business method is all very well, if they had either ownership or full control of all the Agencies in the loop...but they dont and I dont see how it is possible for them to police all the Agencies to a required standard 100% of the time. Added to that is the normality of cheating in various forms within Chinese Businesses (I know that for a fact from my Business dealings with them, so I am not shooting blanks here ), it is a recipe for problems.
Sadly, I dont think many of the thousands of ladies on CHNLove are part of a deliberate attempt to get money off us....they just get caught up in it all. And if we add to the mix, the vast majority of the experiences these Ladies have will be communication with Blokes who want a bit of fun and have very little thoughts of truly finding a Chinese wife, then you can see why the Ladies get a bit cautious.
Nevertheless, I am sure CHNLove and its Agencies make a fair few quid out of the whole thing, its just that guys who are ethical and serious get the flick pass too...and we dont like it. But again, I am not sure it is an actual, deliberate scam.
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All of these sites are scam sites. Why because people hate it when other people make money. People of today have no stomach for risk. Everyone needs a guarantee. It's like a ton of people I have heard say that guy is a ripoff a real jerk. He is selling a product on TV and making a fortune and it thought of that 2 years ago. Everyone's a ripoff that makes a buck in the eyes of most. Some of you guys have no idea what I am talking about. But i know some of you are sitting back laughing you have seen it a hundred times.
I really hate to insult people but if these places are such a scam and a ripoff and all they do is take you money. and you are sure of it.. Why are you still giving it to them? Who's the fool? If someone just keeps giving me money hey I will keep taking it. And they can call me anything they want as long as the cash keeps coming. Why are there so many scams and criminals around? Because it is easy money a guy gets ripped off and then pays more again. It's all greed people want something for nothing so bad they will let themselves get scammed and just to be sure it wasn't just an error lets try it again. oops it was a scam. well lets try this place, that woman has such a nice body and a pretty smile she must be real. Or hey it's Lucy Liu maybe I will pay this 8 bucks and get a date with her. It is only 8 bucks worth a chance. So think the other 10000 guys that saw it. This is pretty bad exaggeration but you get the idea.
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To me it’s a matter of semantics. A swindler is a swindler regardless of the level of his involvement in the crime. Maybe Chnlove is not directly involved but there is a level of dishonesty in the organization that makes the whole thing stink. If they want to be respectable then they need to clean house. I have been had more than once for a few EMFs which served as reinforcement of the lesson I learned in original big score of over 1,000 USD.
I have seen it mentioned here several times that if I think I am being swindled by Chnlove then why do I keep going back. There are a couple of answers. First, I thought (according to some here) that the original incident was the one bad apple in the bunch and I would have much better luck on my next try. Secondly, they have my money and they won’t give it back! I have said before when I spend my remaining cupid credits that will be the end of it. But I’m still not going to keep quiet about my experience with them. I will share my experience on this forum. That is what I am here for, to learn and to teach and to share information.
So far ALL my experiences with chnlove have been negative. But I think we can all agree that chnlove sometimes connects two people. Those two manage somehow to get around all the fluff and greed and discover each other in spite of the business dealings and fall in love. It happens. Even a blind pig will find an acorn occasionally. Hats off to your couples that found your true love there. I envy you.
I have taken the advice of someone here and I have moved away from Chnlove to the others. Namely CLL, CLM, and Blossom. And I have certainly found my share of greedy people there too. But it didn’t take me 3 weeks and $200 to find it out. You can immediately talk directly with the lady. You can ask for and demand real photos and exchange phone numbers and email addresses. It doesn’t take long at all to find out who is real and who is playing you. And even if you do get led down the path you can always back out and it didn’t cost you anything other than some time and your monthly membership. Ted and Willy’s is also a great place to look.
I don’t think I have ever seen so much debate among people that are agreeing with each other.
So like yesterday while I’m here writing on this forum I got another letter from a lady on Chnlove. But this one is different. I got a direct response from the lady using her private email to my private email. The letter was short but there was enough mentioned to know that she (or someone) read my first letter to her. All this for the price of one EMF! I don’t know what to make of this. She is with the same agency that I mentioned in an earlier post that gave me trouble before. You think the agency is trying to suck up to me? You think they are reading our forum? This is very interesting. I think I will peruse this one further and see where it leads. At least it’s free. Stay tuned…
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When I first read this new thread, before I responded to it I thought I would write a letter to chnlove and see what their response was. It is a typical chnlove BS response. Nothing has changed. They know the questions and still 1 year later do not respond.
In reality I feel sorry for the woman caught up in this. To the best of my knowledge she never put her profile out there again.
The following is my letter and their response.
From: Shaun
To: Customer Care
Date: 09 Sep, 2010 GMT
Just read your new website called Chnlove Anti Scam Site. What a load of crap. You joined in and scammed me for over $300.00 with P218. You said you investigated but you would never answer my questions or would you prove that it was not a scam. Now you are luring thousands more with this supposed "We're here to protect you BS."
If you are not a scam then send me back my money. Then and only then will I believe you. And until you send me the money that was scammed from me I will tell everyone I come into contact with that you are nothing but a scam.
From: Connie Chong (Customer Care)
To: Shaun
Date: 10 Sep, 2010 GMT
Dear Shaun,
Thanks for sharing your concern with us. I can fully understand your concern. I am very grateful that you could let us know your thought, which gives us a chance to address your concern and provide you possible assistance.
Chnlove has always treasured every single word of comments from the members and other people who have not joined our site, as these are impetus which may help us provide a safer and better platform to our sincere clients. However, recently we notice that there are some people diffusing negative information against us spitefully. Actually our Intendance Department is looking into this matter currently, and will take legal actions if necessary.
With regard to your concern on the agency P218, please kindly note that we did investigate the issue and also gave the feedback to you on Aug. 31, 2009. It has been over a year when this issue was closed. If you have any problem in reviewing the previous replies from us, please let us know, we would like to send you the letter for you kind reference. Please advise.
As for your refund request, please note that according to our Refund Policy, when your circumstances meets with the policy that the credits can be refunded. When double check your case, we noticed that it has not met with the listed circumstances of our Refund Policy. For more information of this Policy, please refer to:
http://www.chnlove.com/help/refund_policy.php (http://www.chnlove.com/help/refund_policy.php)
Shaun, as you know, Chnlove is independent from each local agency as individual companies. We pay the agency who provides EMF messages translation and delivery services to the Chinese ladies. Though Chnlove is not involved in the internal business of each agency, we have strict policies and regulations that each agency should censor the ladies' profiles and offer quality service to help both male and female members communicate smoothly. For more details about our measures taken to against the dishonesty behaviors, please check below page for reference:
http://www.chnlove.com/help/anti_fraud_policy.php (http://www.chnlove.com/help/anti_fraud_policy.php)
Also, we welcome our gentlemen clients to rate and comment the work of the local agencies. For those agencies who are reported for not doing a satisfactory job, we will carry out further investigation and find out the situation at the soonest. We firmly believe your involvement and support is always the wealth that nothing can compare with, and your feedback will be the impetus to push Chnlove's and the agencies' services to a higher level. :-) You may refer to the link below for other clients' comments and rates after meeting their ladies in China:
http://www.chnlove.com/agency/feedback_stat.php (http://www.chnlove.com/agency/feedback_stat.php)
Thanks again for your support to our service. Please feel free to let us know if you have additional question or concern. We'll be glad to help our sincere clients.
Kind regards,
Connie Chong
ChnLove Support Team
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You think they are reading our forum?
Without a doubt, both chnlove.com, and many of the agencies are very aware of our presence, and I am certain that some of them do read what we write. Whether or not they take it to heart is another matter completely!
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That new site doesn't really say anything new. Chnlove are probably starting to realise that the game is up and that their lucrative business model is being exposed for what it is.
Business practices are really going downhill in Hong Kong - there's all kinds of other internet scams coming out of there now.
As a newbie I spent a lot of money on chnlove and I would have been much better off starting on Blossoms or CLL. A load of my credits were wasted as well, like Changsha Love Bridge sending me duplicate EMFs, and those reminder EMFs if you don't contact a lady for a few days. I would have spent even more but learning basic Chinese meant I could cut out the EMFs quite soon.
At least the lady I met was real, but it's a shame she was just another one of those looking for a rich American dude. There are a lot of those on all of the dating sites.
I don't know why the brothers persist with the women who don't speak any English. There are plenty of cute Asian girls who speak English, so you'll save yourself a lot of hassle by finding one of those.
I'm still going the introduction agency route as there's a lot less timewasters with them. If anyone knows a good Chinese introduction agency then let us all know! I guess the escorted tours might be another idea. I think they might be a bit of fun and at least you know the ladies you meet are real.
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I don't know why the brothers persist with the women who don't speak any English. There are plenty of cute Asian girls who speak English, so you'll save yourself a lot of hassle by finding one of those.
Well, when I met my wife, she could maybe speak 2 words of English. There was a language barrier in the beginning, but I don't know if I would go as far as to call it a hassle. We fall in love with whomever we fall in love with...the language of love is deeper than the spoken word. My wife has worked hard to learn English, and we communicate daily...so again, no hassle. Everyone has their language preference, but I don't think you can criticize anyone who chooses to meet someone who doesn't speak the same language initially.
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I never had a problem with chnlove , but then as is usual the only people one does hear from are ones who have had problems and not the thousands of happy chappies , there are many sites and many of the ladies are listed on multiple sites , so anyone looking just has to sort out the wheat from the chaff and be optomistic , regards Sujuan and Robert .
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Oh No !!!!!!!
The dreaded "Intendance Department" again.........
Cant get past them Shaun...bit like the KGB I suspect ;D ;D ;D
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I don't know why the brothers persist with the women who don't speak any English. There are plenty of cute Asian girls who speak English, so you'll save yourself a lot of hassle by finding one of those.
I can not answer about a woman who does not speak any English, and the only Asian women I do know who are fluent in English live in Sydney and are far to westernised for my liking or a way too young to start a relationship with. My lady speaks very good English although sometimes things get a little confused and need further clarification but not a great problem.
We fall in love with whomever we fall in love with...the language of love is deeper than the spoken word.
Never a truer word said, I would never change the position I am in at the moment for anything in this world.........maybe just to be married and to have her here with me now.
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Maxx I´ll see if i can find it again. But i recall there were some pretty nasty references, Girl signed in with agency @50.000RMB and there were still both meeting and success fees being added. In the end it was pretty much, enough to ruin a common westerner.
I read it first in the forum on the public site i think
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At least the lady I met was real, but it's a shame she was just another one of those looking for a rich American dude. There are a lot of those on all of the dating sites.
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I don't know why the brothers persist with the women who don't speak any English. There are plenty of cute Asian girls who speak English, so you'll save yourself a lot of hassle by finding one of those.
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I'm still going the introduction agency route as there's a lot less timewasters with them. If anyone knows a good Chinese introduction agency then let us all know! I guess the escorted tours might be another idea. I think they might be a bit of fun and at least you know the ladies you meet are real.
I would like to know how many of the women have you gone to meet that were not real.
Next My wife does not speak good English. And I gotta tell you it is a lot of work teaching it to her.
The other day I was at Walmart and saw this oh god gorgeous woman and she came over and was flirting with me a little, Until my wife walked up. And she spoke perfect English.
So brett do you think I should Divorce my wife that loves me enough she would give her life for me and I feel the same way about her. So I could hook up with this woman that speaks perfect English and I won't lie she was better looking than my wife.
And then I was not aware everyone was in a hurry Sometimes dating in itself is a waste of time. You need an introduction agency they will pick out exactly what you are looking for you can save time just have them pick one out for you get married have some kids pay some Child support for 10 or 15 years.
And one more time Where do you go to meet women that are not real? I see them in places like Macy's in the store window. But never met one. They always wear nice clothes but look so fake.
Honestly sounds to me like you need a real hot foxy AMERICAN woman. And if you get one. That bruise you get on your forehead from slapping yourself and yelling Oh god what was I thinking. It goes away eventually.