China Romance
All About China => Visas, Immigration and Emigration => Topic started by: lfputman3 on July 23, 2012, 09:59:39 am
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Ok, I know I've seen it here before, but please, because I need to shove it down someone's throat (LaoLao and her friends at the agency causing the problems).
What authority does the agency for collection from the ladies after marriage? Do they have any leverage in Guangzhou? How can I politely and if they didn't listen, impolitely put them in their place?
For the record. When they gave my wife's Laolao my QQ and email, my profile status on ChnLove, was hidden. So this by my recollection is the individual agency, not that I'm not happy to have had my wife contact me, but we met outside the agency. I had no idea she was with the agency.
I do not have with me, copies of the couple emails we exchanged through the agency, but I do know that they were not written by my wife, because when she supposedly wrote and sent them from the agency, she was home, on QQ talking with me, via videochat. Had not even picked up the emails, so obviously she had not written the reply.
So there's the nutshell. I know Laolao is involved, even though she says she isn't. I also know the first woman I came to Handan to meet, is involved. She tried talking to me via QQ, but wouldn't get to the point. So I knew it was the agency.
All the help and advice I can receive is much appreciated. We would really rather put them in their place, right now, her mama is afraid the threats are correct. "If the agency calls Guangzhou, they can stop her Visa."
Thank you,
Lloyd and Yuan
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Ahhhh... the Agency's favorite threat! No Pay "Us"--- No "Visa" This has been talked about here often and found out .. they do not have any authority what the Immigration Process concerns. Unless, you make it a Police Issue out of it and start doing a "Shark Attack" on someone from an Agency.
Anyway, if you have 100% Proof those letters were NOT from your LaoPo.. so how would this then make them involved in any way.. you two getting together? They are full of it and I don't mean your Money!
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So as long as we don't do anything stupid that would bring the boys/girls in blue down on us. As I thought, they can bite it. Preferably one of those smelly little things the new puppy leaves around the house/neighborhood.
Thank you Arnold, the little woman just took a deep breath. Also thanks to Irish for the little flag working today. She seen the US flag and believes Arnold speaks the truth. I'll have to pull up the full feed from previous posts tomorrow, not working, but hey, I am getting my first haircut in China :o oh please don't let it be a gel experience like the photo studio, or the wedding.
Again, thanks,
Lloyd
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Lloyd, here's a few points to make
1) Is there a contract? and does it say they can collect if there is a marriage?
2) Ask for a copy of their proper license to introduce foreigners to Chinese nationals?
here's the page that it was discussed on... http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,1936.msg32906.html#msg32906 (http://www.chnromance.com/index.php/topic,1936.msg32906.html#msg32906)
guess you can pick up some more pointers there.
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Then again, this is China. A little money in the right hands can change a lot of rules (or the promise of money, once you've paid).
Since this is a two way street, have you thought about sitting down with whoever it is from the agency and talking to them? Maybe grease their palm a bit. Might save you some money, save them a lot of face, and maybe even cut out some of the middle men that seem to want a piece.
Just a thought.
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Lloyd tell the agency to go piss up a rope.Then tell them you want to see there licence to introduce. Chinese national to a foreigner..Tell them if that can't produce the licence.That you will go get the police yourself.And bring them back to there office.And they can discuss the matter in full.With the police.From the inside of there cell.
As far as them jerking you around when you file for your wife's visa in GZ. The agency's don't have any pull there.They are trying to buffalo you.
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I am getting my first haircut in China :o oh please don't let it be a gel experience like the photo studio, or the wedding.
Again, thanks,
Lloyd
You will love the haircut Lloyd. It always includes a shampoo and the a body massage.
Willy
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I am getting my first haircut in China :o oh please don't let it be a gel experience like the photo studio, or the wedding.
Again, thanks,
Lloyd
You will love the haircut Lloyd. It always includes a shampoo and the a body massage.
Willy
Ohhh yes.. a full body massage with a happy ending ( looking like Martin ) sorry Boss
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Maxx and Vince are right Lloyd. There are one or two of all the agencies that are attached to Chnlove that have the correct licence. One of them is in Guangzhou where the originator of Chnlove is situated. But there are many agencies there so I do not know which is which.
The agencies use all sorts of threats etc to collect the money for the contracts that the women have signed.
In our case the translator told me a blatant lie which we used against them. So when she sent me a text and asked 'how was I' I wrote back " How am I. How do you think I am? You lied to me and I am now considering whether to take you or the agency or both to court"
Within five minutes or so my then fiance received a telephone call from the agency telling her that they were tearing up her contract and that she was asked not to speak about this to anyone.
We have never heard from them again.
Willy
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I am getting my first haircut in China :o oh please don't let it be a gel experience like the photo studio, or the wedding.
Again, thanks,
Lloyd
You will love the haircut Lloyd. It always includes a shampoo and the a body massage.
Willy
Ohhh yes.. a full body massage with a happy ending ( looking like Martin ) sorry Boss
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! What does THAT mean??? :P :P
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I am getting my first haircut in China :o oh please don't let it be a gel experience like the photo studio, or the wedding.
Again, thanks,
Lloyd
You will love the haircut Lloyd. It always includes a shampoo and the a body massage.
Willy
Ohhh yes.. a full body massage with a happy ending ( looking like Martin ) sorry Boss
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! What does THAT mean??? :P :P
I don't know, I had a dude, he washed my hair, befor and after. No massage-y, just a cut.
Willy, I've been to Korea and remember how they said we were not to get haircuts off-base. Something about "steam-clean"? :o
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You must have gone to a cheapo place. Here for 15 rmb you get the two washes by man and a massage by a girl.
Willy
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You must have gone to a cheapo place. Here for 15 rmb you get the two washes by man and a massage by a girl.
Willy
Yes, it was cheap, 10rmb, but it's the same place my wife goes, so I'm stuck with it. besides, they did a good job on the hair. I was worried they'd have trouble not leaving "lines" because I've got cornsilk hair, it's obnoxious most days, especially on the days you have a new barber
Lloyd
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Lloyd it does not have to be form Hong Kong. The agencies can view this forum from anywhere in China. That was why it has an independent IP.
Will send you a Private Post
Willy
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Willy, sorry, I said HK, but the agency called and told mama, someone from a HK agency called and told them. I know it was probably themselves looking, but they don't want to admit they looked at the forum.
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ok, I needed a few days to "cool off". Still ticked at the agency. A few days ago I received an email on two accounts from the agency. I was told in the email:
1) They never "threatened any visa problems"
2) They requested I remove my comments from the forum. (I have done so, but not for them, for my brothers here, that was a bit angry)
3) They gave their "justifications" for why they should be paid.
Yes, I sent a reply. My wife told me that her mama has told her to pay the agency. I have issued the legal challenge in response. I issued the challenge in my reply email. after I sent said email. My wife told me, her mama said to pay the agency. So I'm torn. I'm annoyed again. I'm just another stubborn @## Yank, who refuses to bow before fraudulent behavior. This view made worse by the fact that I'm an accountant to boot. Just ask any accountant how we feel regarding misrepresentation and fraud. I take that back, ask any accountant who isn't in jail or awaiting sentencing for doing those two things.
I will say, in some instances, this agency has helped people. I will say that when they said, we must use them to communicate, because we were not communicating effectively. They can suck a rotten turkey egg from the back side of a rotting turkey carcas. I think they suffer an issue with their interpreters trying to meet letter quotas. Coupled with a management issue of permitting/encouraging such behavior, thinking that if they deny it happens, people will believe them.
I also made sure that I told the agency that I knew the day I met my wife, I remember it well. I also remember the argument between my wife and the nasty little leech who was trying to bleed me for money, clothes and expensive gifts. I also distinctly remember how hard it was not to focus on my wife that day. I had a hell of a time. I know this is why her grandmother went to the agency and pursuaded them to give her my QQ. Most importantly, I knew I was coming back to Handan, I remembered exactly where that shop was. How to get there by street. I was prepared to walk the distance. Just so I could find her. The agency providing my QQ number just simplified the experience for me. I know my wife gave money to the agency, because I gave her the money, with the understanding that it was for the introduction. In August of 2011, we went to the agency, talked with them and that's when we were told we had to use the agency. This is exactly the point where I decided I was done with them. I tried to reason with her that day, but she insisted no wrongs had been committed. I don't live by "nengpian...(能骗)".
So to my brothers, I apoligize for getting angry. For those who had no problems with the agency in Handan, my apologies. For those who realized the agency did commit some wrongs, I know you understand. I will end my writings on this thread.
Lloyd
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Before you leave this Lloyd, has this agency ever produced to you or any one else that they have the necessary licence that is required to introduce Chinese Nationals to foreigners?
I will also add that I can see Mama's side. I met a women here who was having a problem with an agency and I asked her to check if they had this licence. However she said regardless of whether they did or not have a licence she felt obliged to pay them the fees that she had signed up for.
It was a matter of principle for her.
willy
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Willy,
I have not received a reply from the agency. I really don't expect any response from them following my reply and challenge, but I expect that behind my and my wife's backs, they are continuing to say nasty things.
However, my wife informed me mama was down at the agency office today, before heading out for the evening.
I also know understand why Laolao is working so hard to stay in good with the agency. Some chap has sent her flowers, with a card, "come grow old with me, the best is yet to come", hats off to him and good luck.
I have since also learned that there is apparently a "VIP program" and the system is about introductions, the agency getting paid, and that is that. The lady's are apparently told a man is writing to them. They are notified when a letter is recieved. However it seems that very few ladies actually try to write their responses. This is what the VIP program is for. I shouldn't write this, because of all the trouble, I, my wife and her family have had, but I believe after my first experience with the lady, it makes sense as to why things went the way they did. The agency did apologize for her "lack of desire toward committment". However, I believe my brothers deserve to know that this is a practice. Which of course, the agency will no doubt deny.
My wife said she did receive translations of my letters. However, she already knew what was in the letters, because I had told her on QQ. I know, it's twisted, but after the first run-in problems, I had to test the system. They failed and I hope they finally understand that.
Lloyd
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Lloyd, I on behave of the Forum Staff.. really thank you for your Post's on that subject. We can use all the info to put some more light into the dark corners of those Agencies, that don't want to play by the rules. Not even honor Maxx's 24 hour Rule, which goes way too far. Thanks for sharing!
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I shouldn't write this, because of all the trouble, I, my wife and her family have had, but I believe after my first experience with the lady, it makes sense as to why things went the way they did. The agency did apologize for her "lack of desire toward committment". However, I believe my brothers deserve to know that this is a practice. Which of course, the agency will no doubt deny.
Lloyd
Knowledge is power, and there is no need to apologize. As long as you have the truth behind you, then there is no reason to hide it from the public. These agencies depend on us men not communicating with each other to get the truth out there. So do not apologize, and feel free to write your experiences.
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My own experience with one agency was that I finally sent a text to the translator that said . 'I am considering whether to take you, the agency or both to court' not much more than 5 minutes later lady received a telephone call from the translator to say that her agreement has been torn up and she was asked not to talk to anyone about it.
Willy
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I guess now it doesn't matter, because of laolao receiving flowers and letters from someone, if he's a real person anyway. Mama went and gave the agency the money, my wife told me about it today. Mama did so today.
I hope this works out for laolao, and I pray for my and my wife's sanity that he's in some part of the country I don't intend to go to anytime soon. Mama is great, but, um, yeah. You know there's a problem when your wife tells you after the wedding, "Honey, we're never sponsering a visa for her." Even worse, I heartily agree. Besides, she and her "friend" offended my parents. She also made my sis a little panicky, she clung to her most of the day.
Lloyd
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I felt I should add, if the man laolao knows is one of the brothers. Please, don't take offense to us not wanting her around us. We both have our reasons.