China Romance
All About China => Visas, Immigration and Emigration => Topic started by: Neil on August 17, 2012, 05:21:47 pm
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http://www.canadameet.tv/news/canada/2012/0816/151103.html (http://www.canadameet.tv/news/canada/2012/0816/151103.html)
The above link is in Chinese - you'll need to translate it.
The gist of the story is that this couple (Canadian man and Chinese woman) met in 2006, married in 2007, and are still fighting with immigration to get his wife into Canada. It goes on to state that Hong Kong has the highest denial rate in the world.
I wonder if the gentleman in the story has visited our site?
My wife sent me the above link. Almost every week, I have to reassure her that I am not going to divorce her. She is terrified that we will be denied a second time. I'll be heading back to China in September to attend our niece's wedding and to try to calm her down. This will be my 7th trip to see my wife and her family.
3 weeks ago, I received a letter from the Immigration Appeal board informing me that they received my letter of intent to appeal - 3 months after I sent it. It states that they have 120 days to contact me with information about our appeal. I still have not received any reasons for our denial beyond the fact that they do not believe our relationship is real.
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Canada still has the feel of a country that has an unwritten anti Chinese policy that is a hundred years out of date.
There is always room for you here in China Neil but 'Nil Desperandum' Don't let the B------ds grind you down.
You will make it through.
Willy
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The problems of the story above were the wife didn't know her husband has a son with his ex-wife and the husband didn't know his wife bought a condo in China.
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a joint bank account and the wife drawing from it to pay bills to show support from her husband isnt a bad idea.And an insurance policy showing him or her has the beneficiary.A will in case something happens is a good thing to show.These things would help prove all intentions.Just a suggestion it is some of what I read.
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a joint bank account and the wife drawing from it to pay bills to show support from her husband isnt a bad idea.And an insurance policy showing him or her has the beneficiary.A will in case something happens is a good thing to show.These things would help prove all intentions.Just a suggestion it is some of what I read.
I also read that. I was thinking about a will as well.
I just bought a house - my first. I move in September 1. I hoped to put her name on the title somehow, but the lawyer doesn't think it's possible until she has her landed immigrant status. She was devastated when I told her that. I'll do everything I can.
I have a Chinese friend that owns a hotel in town. He has offered her a job, which will help with showing that there is a support group here for her (he, his wife and his niece all speak English and Mandarin). He employs Chinese immigrants and sponsors them for immigration.
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a joint bank account and the wife drawing from it to pay bills to show support from her husband isnt a bad idea.And an insurance policy showing him or her has the beneficiary.A will in case something happens is a good thing to show.These things would help prove all intentions.Just a suggestion it is some of what I read.
I have a Chinese friend that owns a hotel in town. He has offered her a job, which will help with showing that there is a support group here for her (he, his wife and his niece all speak English and Mandarin). He employs Chinese immigrants and sponsors them for immigration.
Neil, I searched the Chinese forum about this kind of information. They said the Visa Officer may thinks her intention of purpose of immigration is to obtain this job.
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Yes, as Sunny has stated, I hear it might not be a good idea to mention a job being lined up as they might see her as just using you to get to Canada to land the job. From what I gather, her response to come to Canada should just be wanting to live with her husband and to take care of the new family.
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I'm going with Sunny and Rhonald on this one.I don't know about Canada.But with the U.S. that is a trick question.That if you answear wrong.The visa will be denied.The only correct answear is.That you are going to live with your spouse.
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Exactly how you build your lives together after the visa is something you can plan prior to it being given (house car shopping I would mention, shows intent for long term) but employment I would leave out. Sure it would be nice to have some arranged prior to arrival but I would not mention it. Also one thing that maybe worth considering is the fact that your wife will be so out of her depth coming to a new country starting a job as soon as she lands may not be the best thing for a settling in period.
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In the UK the tricky part comes after she has been in the Country for 2 years. If they consider that she is a lot younger than you or they find some other reason then both get called for an interview in Sheffield. Each is interviewed and the answers written down. Then you sign it. The answers are then checked in private and they decide there and then if she is going to be given leave to remain.
Willy
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I am confused by this. You are saying that if she has a job lined up not to mention it. So I am wondering. Is it wrong for her to say that she will look for a job and work in America? Seems like you would want people like that.
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I am confused by this. You are saying that if she has a job lined up not to mention it. So I am wondering. Is it wrong for her to say that she will look for a job and work in America? Seems like you would want people like that.
Hombre, I have learned.. never-never tell the Gov./Immig. more then they ask for. If it's not part of their of their proceedure, DON'T add it.. it's not necessary. Anything you add, gives them a reason to check deeper and have more material to deny Visa's.
Example: Qing lived in Japan for five years, I never mentioned that to the Immigration under my Lawyers advice. So no need for them go digging into what she did there and of course get a Police report from there for them. My Lawyer said, the Visa process is between China and the US and has nothing to do with Japan. So was all good ( for us at least).
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Yes, I've heard that said a hundred times. She should only mention that she's coming to live with her husband.
I also read (and I wish I could find it) that having a job lined up increases the chances of being approved. It's a typical governmental case of being dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.
I think, for an initial application, I wouldn't mention a prospective job. In our case, this will be an appeal. I believe it will be a mediation style appeal with me and one or more immigration appeal board members. In that case, I could go on to explain that this job is not the main reason, or even a guaranteed thing - it's just an opportunity, if she wants it, if she has spare time, and after she's become comfortable in her new home. I believe we will also be given the opportunity to have a translator phone my wife and interview her. In which case, she can reiterate what I just said.
I fully intend to explain to them that all we want is for my wife and her son to come home. They aren't looking for welfare money. They aren't trying to take away local jobs. They don't plan to hit the ground running, and disappear into the wood work. If they just give us a chance to explain that this is a real relationship; that after 7 trips to China, we're more than committed to each other, as husband and wife. I don't know what more we can do. Maybe I'll have to get her pregnant.
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Hombre good point.But it is not the answear immigration wants to hear.As far as immigration is concerned.If you or your wife.Tell them that she has a job.Or she is going to the U.S. to look for work.It says to immigration.That the only reason your wife married you.Was so that she could come to America.And get a green card.So immigration thinks that your marriage is a marriage of convenience.Or that your wife payed you to file the visa for her.
I know this is not the case with you and your wife.And if I hadn't seen what I seen in Alb one day.At the biometric exam place.I would think immigration is really taking this to far.
2 years after my wife came to the states.I had to take my wife to Alb.And get her picture taken again.And they took her fingerprints again.To get her permanent green card.While we were at immigration.A Mexican man and a white woman came in.The Mexican was younger then the woman.She didn't speak Spanish and he didn't speak English at all..They brought there own translater.The translater was the guys brother.The woman was no prize beauty queen.She was probably 12 to 15 years older then him So all of this started to raise red flags with immigration.
I was standing there watching all of this.And the security guard walked up.And asked me if I seen a problem with this relationship.I said yes.Do's the brother live with them? how do they talk to each other?Why would such a good looking guy.Marry some one that was old enough to be his mother.This guy could of picked and chose.From any of the Latina beauties in Alb.But yet he was with.The ten tons of fun.And to make matters worse they had just showed up.They didn't have a opointment.Like my wife did.So the guy behind the counter Tells them to leave.And come back when they had actually received there appointment date.They were still arguing with the immigration guy.When me and my wife left the building.So I don't know what the end result was.But my guess is border patrol was going to show up in a minute.And start asking some tough questions.
When my wife did her first biometric exam.We went to Alb.We went to immigration and I registered my wife.When they called my wife.I followed my wife up to the counter.The lady behind the counter asked me if I was the husband.I said yes.The lady told me to go ahead and have a seat in the waiting area.I hadn't set there five minutes.Before the lady and my wife are waiving for me to come back to the counter.The lady told me my wife doesn't understand the question.So I asked the lady what the question was.She told me.And I asked my wife.In a little English a little Chinese,And a little Chinglish.The lady was testing us to see if we actually really knew each other.I stood right there and helped the lady ask my wife the questions.In a language that my wife could understand.
That is why U.S immigration makes you jump threw all these hurdles.It Is because to many times somebody like the white woman and the Mexican man has stuck it to them.That is why there is 2 biometric exams for the Fiancee visa.That is why they may just show up at your house one day.And talk to you and your wife.They don't call they don't make a oppointment.They just show up to see if you 2 are really man and wife.
Immigration knows all the same tricks that we do to prove that it is a real marriage.Or a ongoing relationship.They know about us transferring money.They know about are many trips to see are wives.They know about the emails,And the phone calls.People can and do fake this.But what we have a harder time faking.Is a face to face meeting with a immigration official.And the immigration official seeing how we act together.
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But what we have a harder time faking.Is a face to face meeting with a immigration official.And the immigration official seeing how we act together.
Good point Maxx, and that I wonder, might be why that eventhough I thought my wife's interview in Hong Kong would give us a rejection, the Immigration officer saw how we two interacted together when I had to ask her the reason we had a discrepancy in our view points.
Unfortunately, I think I remember Neil saying that he never had a chance to interact with his wife during their visa interview. I sure hope Neil that your appeal interview has them being more lienant with you.
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Rhonald I'm begining to think Canada immigration is tougher then U.S immigration.After watching you and your wife struggle with it.And now watching Neil and his wife struggle with it.It just doesn't make any sense to me.Unless Canada wants to watch you and your wife together.I'm hoping that's what Canada has planed for Niel at the next interview.Then him and his wife can get threw this.And they can be together.
I'm thinking the reason Chong and Martin got threw it so fast.Was because Martin and Chong are both really ugly.And Candian immigration felt sorry for them.Either that or they both did some serious brown nosing.Like washing immigrations cars.Or cutting the grass.Or pet setting.Of course you know Chong couldn't watch the immigration officials cats..But we won't go into that hear. ;D
Good luck Niel.Don't let the bastards break you.
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I agree with telling immigration as little as possible however my wife disagrees with me and as you well know Maxx we have no to help control what happens during the interview. My wife is telling me that she will say something like this.
"When I go to America to live with my husband I plan to spend the first year or two staying at home taking care of the household and my husband. Then after that I do plan to find a job and work to help save money."
After my heart stopped a couple of times and I gathered my breath a little I tried to explain the idea of telling them as little as possible. I know the Chinese are masters at that but my wife thinks it is the wrong move with all she has read about getting a visa.
I'm stumped about this issue.
Neil sorry for taking over a little and talking about my issues.
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I cannot understand why Canada takes this stand on immigration. On one hand they say they need more than 150,00 plus immigrants a year to be earning and paying taxes and on the other hand it does not appear to include Chinese!
Canada must be the biggest country in the World with the smallest population per square mile!
Willy
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I myself am not too concerned when it comes to her interview. Except for her knowing family names... As for any other issues, we've had enough talks, that I know it could be considered beneficial to someone's 'personal views' that they not long remain in 'a potentially hostile' political environment.
In short, when we are both stateside, I may elaborate. However, I can say, my wife and her mama, like many in China, are not overly fond of what they are fed daily...
Lloyd
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But it keeps the street safe, Lloyd. I can wander around her after dark. Cannot do that in London now or any other city in the UK.
Willy
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Willy, I seem to remember that every year, North Korea is named the safest country in the world. With less than a .001% crime rate. Never mind, that if you don't do what they say, when they say, you and your whole family goes to a work camp, never to be seen or heard from again.
As a former cop friend of mine back home says, crime is innevitable. Some people do bad things, because they like to do bad things. Look at the incidents of random stabbings in China. Obviously mental patients, but not diagnosed, because they are "functional" therefore, not mental. Until they run around stabbing people. No matter how you regulate the people, eventually, someone is gonna start shooting/stabbing people. Be it for legitimate or perverse reasons. The two strongest forces in human nature are greed (personal self interest) and laziness. So if it's easier to steal Bob's car, than to get a decent job and a person's morals are in favor of the lazy option. They will choose the lazy option, unless they see that it's not wise to steal the car.
Oh, and there are plenty of con-artists in China to go around. As in any country, just look at the people running the country. Then look to the streets of that same city and you will usually find a high crime rate.
Lloyd
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I have chosen the place that I want to spend the rest of my days. I have long finished chasing the bad guys. I stayed at the Wiltshire Hotel in, wiltshire boulevard in Los Angeles once. Just down from McArthur Park By day you see themovie makers filming cops chasing the bad guys and at night you see the cops doing it for real.
I have been in the back streets of Bombay and worst still I have been in cars parked up in the dark back streets of Lagos where I have to hide my face so that no one passing could see a white face in it.
You want to see corruption spend a few months in Nigeria. Pulled up at night the cops see a white face and they are onto you for money. I always carried a special pass from the Government Chief of Police to get through these money making checkpoints. On a trip from Lagos to Imbaden a distance of about 40 miles it was not unusual to go through at least a dozen or more such checkpoints whose sole reason was not to protect the citizens but to extract money from passing motorist.
So China and its politics hold no fears for me. The politics are of no concern and I doubt if they ever will be in the time I have left. I cannot see the small city I live in becoming like Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai and others. My days of traveling about for pleasure are finished. I have seen everything I want to see in the 40 or so countries I have visited.
So lets keep the Status Quo here as it si. It suits me fine. I am happy, I am content and I am Loved. What more do I need.
Willy
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Willy I'm happy to hear that you have found your Shangralia,Valhalla,Your paradise.Or whatever you want to call it.I have ben to Jongshan many times.It is a nice place with friendly people and a low crime rate.I know if I was in your situation.It would be hard for me to leave.I think it is time to leave.Move to Singapore,Guam,Siapan.Any place wear the country is not going to fall down around your ears.
I read another article today.On the enternet that said basically the same thing I told you a couple of weeks ago.When we were discusing what China would be like in five to ten years.China is coming apart at the seams.And the government lackey's don't care as long.As they get there piece of the pie.The article I read said that.All the companies that make products to export.Have warehouses fool of there products.Because there is no country to export them to.The article went on to say.That because the companies have made so much of there products.That there is no way that the Chinese people can consome the products.Or afford the products because the factories are starting to lay there employees off.
The Chinese have got so efficient at building cars,trucks buses.That they have made to many.The Chinese government has stepped in and told the automakers to slow production.Because the auto plants kept pushing and pushing more cars on to there dealers.Until there is a huge stockpile.And nobody to buy the vehicles.Because the buyers have lost there jobs at.The factories.And the shipping ports.
It is the same with the construction companies.They have started laying people off.Because there isn't any buyers on the housing that they have already built.There is miles and miles of vacant houses in China.That nobody can afford to buy.And the government stepped in and put a cap on the number of houses you can buy.And how much the construction company can charge for a new house.
I wouldn't be to concerned if I didn't know a little about supply and demand.I used to work for a company that made hand tools.I made 3 different kinds of pliers.I made about 2,400 pair of pliers a day.This company that I worked for Ran 24 hours a day five days a week.So that comes out to be 7,200 a day.36,000 a week.144,000 a month.I worked for this company for five years.So you can see I made allot of pliers.
At the time I worked for the company.There was 1,100 employees.Working on the floor making tools.This number doe's not include.The office staff.There was probably 100 working in the front offices.Now 20 years latter. they have 350 employees.Working 5 days a week.With only 1 eight hour shift.The reason they only run one shift.Is because that is all the demand there is for hand tools.
It is the same situation in China.To much stuff with no ware to sell it.So you have rising unemployment.A dissatisfied middle class because they can't afford to do anything but put food on the table.There is no unemployment checks in China.So what happens when you can't find another job.And there is no money coming in.And the government isn't sending you any money.You lash out against the government.You lash out against your neighbor.Because he has more then you.
Willy I like China.I have friends that live there.My wife is from there.So I have become attached to the country.I seriously hope that I'm wrong.And nothing bad happens to China.But If something doesn't change.I don't see anyway for China to dig there self out of this.Way to many people with not enough jobs to go around.I cant see all these people lifting themselves up out of the farms and villages.Just to go back to the farms and villages.