China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Ask An Experienced Member => Topic started by: JohnB on May 18, 2013, 01:11:14 pm
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I don't know if I am stepping on a few feet, but..
I was rooting around the other forum this morning, like a lot of others here do. I always note Mike, aka "China Shark" is quite active. A long time. Maybe I dredge up old shit as I do not know the member particulars of long ago, but WTF, this guy would liven up a few things here. He brings a few things positive, whatever, depending his admirers/ detractors. One thing though, not one can deny his contributions to the other forum. He livens it up!
One thing for certain, all personalities aside, a moribund thread is a kiss of death. It serves no purpose whatsoever, to anyone interested, in whatever.
My somewhat limited impression of him, he is arrogant to the point of being obnoxiously so, but the thing is, he has pedigree, in all things his China (the real China is undefinable, if we think we know, we are delusional, especially so in regards to women; after all, that is why we are here).
It seems this recent “mea culpa” of his is interesting. If I read this wrong, I apologise to everyone, especially to Mike since he is subject to what I write.
This is dated the 16thMay.. http://www.chnlove.com/Replies-Dating-Tips-and-Advice-T4411.html (http://www.chnlove.com/Replies-Dating-Tips-and-Advice-T4411.html)
Learning Chinese is the least of all your worries finding a suitable Chinese wife. I've been on this site for coming up on 5 yrs this October and have yet to meet any Chinese that don't have unrealistic expectations. It's part and parcel, live it, learn to deal with it, get over it. Being an old cantankerous foreigner doesn't necessarily make you the cat' meow. The girl I moved to Shenzhen I imagine is living with her pediatrian husband in America now. I'm happy for her, she hit the jackpot or at least in the Chinese mindset. The first 4 months I lived here with her we barely communicated via English {verbal}. Many on the forums think we can change others in life, it ain't that simple. If you're on this site you're either desperate,old, ugly, overweight with social disorders, etc. Personally, I'm not part of the latter class with the exception of being 50 yrs old. Trolls think because you can promise a green card the world is thier oyster. Too many on here like to be accussatory towards agengcies, blah, blah, it's everyone's fault but mine, come on get a grip men children. No one made any of you join up yet alone create these wild fantasies in your dillusion minds. Iniatially yes I was dissappointed yet living here none of any of you have the slightest clue to know what's it's like to struggle in this world. Being Chinese living in a Chinese world sucks, everyone is angling for a better life here even guys like me looking for my great break, to publish my life's work. Till about 3 months ago I never comprehended what it must be like yet now I see with clear eyes and the sobering experience woke me up to the truth, why are we here? To leave our mark, something to let people far in the future that we made a difference in people's life's. For this I've forsaken, family friends the whole shebang to reach my dream. I't not about how many Asian women you sleep with, or how rich or beautiful your girlfriend or wife is. It's about the things that are intangible in life. I met the one in the summer of 2009, she'll always be the one reguardless of how ill mannered or bad I treated her. No how many women I dated or slept with she never escaped my heart. A few months back I stopped all the carrousing and started focusing on myself. If I want a better life I need to be a better person, need to restrain myself from all the negative activities in my life. {smoking, drinking}, train my mind by writing a few hours a day, reading a few hours a day, bodybuilding and strength cardiovascular training. If I want to find my dream I need to find myself first and then I have a bountiful to offer my future Chinese bride. 4 months oe so ago I was the loud ignorant western braggert much like most on here. Then, suddenly an ephinany {spelling} descended from the heavens above me to start over. Sounds faggy but what can I say I am the original unadulterated uncompromised China Shark. Somethings are babysteps, I'm trying already damn it I'm CSM!!!!! Newbies get your pencils and notebooks ready, if you have any pride push aside personalities to achieve and accomplish your goals. Want to be a crybaby, hey, China is filled with those kind of guys. Show the woman you know what it is to be a real man. Westerns have the advantages yet they can't seem to let go of thier own insecurities in life. Give you an example. Girlfriend number one started dating her probably husband a few years ago. She explained our past and that was it. We remained in touch over the years due to our unusual circumstances, also and our birthdays were on the same exact date. She would call me up the first couple of years to go out to dinner for our birthdays. After the second year it was just a birthday phonecall. This doctor dude didn't even like the fact that I lived in the same city with her, I and 12 other million people. Insecurity out the wazoo, big time. Anyway I am always there with a helping hand for the legitimate guys,however they always to be in short supply here though. Gotta go workplace is closing up.
China Shark Mike
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I think the economic conditions around the globe have put a damper on many sites that involve long distance relationships and foreign travels. Many people currently do not have the resources to even think about a LDR at this time. The ones with the resources are keeping their money rat-holed in case the economy falls back into recession. I think once people feel more comfortable with their finances and economic outlook, they will be back here asking questions. :) As far as China Mike, he spends time over at this site also, but it too is suffering the scourge of low traffic and boredom! ;)
http://www.lovelovechina.com/ (http://www.lovelovechina.com/)
P.S. I own a full-function dating site and can barely give away free memberships now, back in 2008 and 2009 I would have needed to add bandwidth to keep up with membership levels. :o
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It doesn't take much research these days to find out that, if you had the desire to find a Chinese wife, and bring her home, it's bloody difficult, and expensive. I don't know if it's any easier with a Filipino wife, but I sure see a lot more Filipino women coming to Canada, and they seem to have it a lot easier.
I read somewhere that something like 25% of Canadians were not born here. I forget the actual percentage. It seems like Canada is trying to close the floodgates. I don't know if it's a good idea or a bad one.
On the subject of Mike, I have no opinion. He's abrasive to the point of scaring people off, and guys like me aren't going to learn anything from him.
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I really don't have a problem with Mike. I take all of his outrageous behavior with a grain of salt.
The real problem is that he has burned his bridge with many on this site. There have been many brutal accusations and comments made.
If my memory serves me correctly, the final straw was when a member here was in China and was having some particular issue with a woman. Mike took it upon himself to judge the person. I think he either threatened or went to the hotel to kick the guy's tail.
I can't blame the mods for kicking him off the site.
I really don't think there is a place for him here.
Besides I don't think he would be willing to come back.
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I dont really have a problem with Mike either....apart from the gross ego-centricity, the tendency to personal abuse, the condescending and patronising manner in which he conducts relationships with others and the automatic assumption that he knows better than anyone about everything.
Mike ( and to a lesser extent, our Willy) are always quick to define the veracity of a relationship with a Chinese Woman as only to be understood if you live in China. It seems that Mike in particular holds in contempt those of us who choose to take our Chinese Partner to our own Country and is always quick to deride those who do this as being knowlege-deficient about all things Chinese Women related.
I have always felt that those Western Men who choose to up-sticks and live in China with their chosen one have the easy bit !! Unless you have been through the emotional meat grinder that is inevitable with Immigration issues, I dont know if you have ever really tested a relationship with a Foreign Lady. From the perspective of completing the process of Migration for our partners, I believe we can consider ourselves the one's who have done it really tough.
As for livening up the Forum...I think Rob is exactly right, The GFC has made Governments a lot less Migration friendly and a lot of guys just dont have the resources to begin a long, complex and expensive mission to find a Foreign Bride...that's probably why our traffic has slowed a lot. To have Mike or similar just come here to stir the pot and get everybody riled up seems to be counter-productive. By all means let's acknowlege that people have different views and should not be discouraged fom airing them, but just to use the Forum for personal abuse would be tragic.
Nevertheless, in its heyday, this Forum was a life-saver for me and many other guys, we had the ability to share experiences and apart from a very few notable exceptions we managed to avoid heaps of personal abuse and vitriol.
Those of us whom have completed our journey are always here with advice and help whenever it is needed, but for the moment we are coasting in neutral due to lack of activity because the demand for info. is low....but we are always around, always reading and still part of the whole thing.
Just my 2 cents worth :-\ :-\ :-\
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Mike is Mike, that's who he is. He writes what he thinks and feels. I don't know? I understand him and where he's coming from. And Yes we have had words. When he calms down you tell him again and he will then listen. He tells it like it is, no hiding behind a screen.
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China Shark Mike visits his therapist.
Therapist: How are you?
CSM: China Shark Mike is fine.
Therapist: I notice you often refer to yourself in the third person. Why don't you just say "I"?
CSM : I am China Shark Mike!
Therapist: OK. Let's move on. You talk a lot about other men being desperate, ugly, old, overweight, with social disorders, etc. What are your fears?
CSM: I'm none of those things, except getting old, but I work out, so I don't even look old. How do I know? Because people tell me. China Shark looks 35.
Therapist: You seem ever-so-slightly over-identified with your own opinions. Do you think you're the only Western man to have lived in China?
CSM: (repeats his litany of girlfriend experiences, teaching experiences, I'm so misunderstood experiences, Shenzhen experiences, descriptions of how long he's been in China, and discrediting of anyone who hasn't lived in China)
Therapist: Ermm. You didn't answer my question.
CSM: I just did. China Shark is China Shark. I say what I see. Sorry if the truth offends you, but I'm not going to sugar-coat it. You're just like all the rest, come to China, thinking some beautiful young girl half your age will fall in love with you just because you're Western. Ain't gonna happen. Wake up and smell the coffee. Listen to the shark. He tells it like is. You're just like all the rest!
Therapist: OK Mike. Count to ten. Breathe. Good. Now Mike, you know that I'm not in China, don't you? I'm Skyping this session from LA. I'm a happily-married man, have been for the past 30 years, and I have never been to China. I should remind you that, much as I enjoy hearing you repeat the same stories about your life, this is costing you 200 dollars an hour, which, as you constantly inform me about the minutest details of your salary, tells me that you need to work 10 extra hours this week to pay for this session.
CSM: I am China Shark!
Therapist: Yes Mike. (sighs, hangs up)
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Mike is who he is.
I have only one problem and that is trying to read his longer writings.
I just wish he used paragraphs so that when this desperate,old, ugly, overweight person with a reading disorder pauses at the end of a sentence then I do not lose my place and have to start way back again.
Other than that he is blunt and to the point, much like me but then at my age it is more than anticipated it is expected!
I also agree with David E. I have always proclaimed that those fighting for immigration rights for their partners had have a much harder time than me and often wonder if I had not decided on my present course years ago that I maybe have not completed the process. For many this forum has been a life line in many ways. When I first came on here there were not many who already had even married let alone started out on the immigration trail. Now we are all approaching those elder years and one day, with any luck, everyone on here will be waking up to become my age and say 'I did it my way'.
But it wont be long now before I start the reverse process. That may be a challenge for me and that is to apply for my Chinese 'Green Card'
I will see how it goes.
It may well be easier than getting a Chinese Drivers Licence or it may not. But then getting the licence is a lot easier than actually driving in the old part of the city with its narrow streets and with 99% of the drivers having no consideration for other road users. Mind you traffic laws are being applied more and more even taxi drivers tell you to belt up now days.
Willy
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Everyone makes good points....but Philip nailed it!!! Hahaha
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Whilst it maybe quiet here as it is also on other sites pertaining to China there are new members joining all be it slowly , but as has been usual we do have a number of " Lookers " who are gaining info from this site without joining , regards Sujuan and Robert .
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Hello all,
For me, having read everything from the other site...I like Mikes "bitch slap" to the glassed eyed newbies that are about to make every mistake we already made. I was one of them once, with a Ukrainian gal, and that agency got me for $900 smackers. If only there was a China Mike for me then, because a smack was exactly what I needed! His brash demeanor only balances out some of the tender personalities here.
Chris
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Mike is Mike, that's who he is. He writes what he thinks and feels. I don't know? I understand him and where he's coming from. And Yes we have had words. When he calms down you tell him again and he will then listen. He tells it like it is, no hiding behind a screen.
Erm........ I think you should rephrase that Vince "He tells it like HE decides it is"....no other veiwpoint or opinion has any weight at all.
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China Shark posted a few useful rants here just before I had the Miss Woo saga. I saved one or two of them as I found them inspiring. Well he certainly made it clear how much work is involved in finding a good woman here >:(.
Anyway, it seems the whole non-EU foreign bride thing is effectively dead in the UK now unless you have a load of cash and/or a good job. And my understanding is that if you want to marry a woman and bring her kids from a previous marriage over then you'll need to be earning way above the average wage or have a five figure bank account. It's not just men having troubles - women marrying guys from Japan and the USA have also been caught out.
I find it hard to stomach, especially as my job was taken by an Eastern European and an Indian, and now the UK government is letting in tens of thousands of Somalis, Romanians etc. etc. etc.
Still, it's becoming a more attractive option to live elsewhere. If you can solve the main problems (earning money and getting a visa) and have nothing major holding you back home, then just do it. I'm having a fabulous time in China ;D. Although if I was starting afresh I'd go to Thailand or the Phillies - China is just work, work, work and it gets boring after a while.
As to ladies, well I dated 3 Chinese ladies last week. One was wonderful but a little too young. One was the most beautiful Cantonese lady I've ever seen, but she was mad. Seen exactly the same type of girl before. And the last one has potential, I hope I can see her again.
But don't get the impression that all Western guys here are just seeking Chinese wives. They're still very much a minority and I've not seen that many foreigners with Chinese ladies. And as for the older English teachers, they seem to be here mostly to escape from women problems back home, rather than to date the ladies out here.
And on the money thing, well that's just a cultural thing. I visited a marriage agency here last week and they spent a lot of time asking me about my job, income, family etc. etc. etc. but there wasn't much mention of love :-*.
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I know it will be a struggle getting Hong over here, and to think about how many thousand illegals will probably cross the border...just tonight. And I heard their numbers are swelling as talk of a immigration bill is in the works.
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As long as you play by the rules.And hire a good immigration attorney.To make your visa application look all nice and complete.It is a walk in the park.Do the application by yourself.Use a attorney no one has heard of.You may get another immigration interview in a couple of years.
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Which version are we talking about...original, 1.2, 2.0, new and improved, 3.3 turbo charged?
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I myself have had a few "run ins" with china FISH, Just a obnoxious , been there, done it all, have the t shirt to prove it, and know all about China, Lets leave sleeping dogs lie, John.
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the only thing of value I ever got out of the idiot was he kept mentioning the OTHER site and so I queried this and here I am and have never used the other chat boards again. On my first trip to Shenzhen and as a newbie I was going to meet him for a coffee but after reading some of his help - read opinions - I decided not to bother. Probably a good thing as he would have met the MRS and would have said something to piss her off with his obnoxious views.
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With all of this talk about Mike I thought I would go over to the other site and look around a little. All I saw was the SOS. :o
Shark infected water. ;D
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I think all you guys missed what he wrote.
Well, when I read Mike's post, it is that he is 50, has been in China a few years, and is not doing very well.
No woman.
Despite his best intentions, probably a good game plan by all means, very generous with his advice, both good & bad.
By all means, any Westerner can live in China for whatever length of time, but the fallacy of assimilation into another culture (China), if that is what one (CSM) desires, it is that their own foreign idiosyncrasies will corrupt their 'self- assumed' definition of just what is a Chinese person. The resulting factor is conflicted. You (the Westerner) cannot take what you think, box it, and put a label on it. Call it China.
If assimilation was not the goal, then how about a faulted observer status?
There are lessons to be learned, even for China Shark Mike. I think he will still tell you that.
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Like roadkill faced with a convoy of juggernauts, I don't think anyone could possibly miss what he repeatedly writes. The fact that he switches from self-aggrandizing guru to maudlin paranoiac only reveals two sides of the same coin. Personally-speaking, I get much more from hearing people's journey to China, with (and against) immigration, rather than any attendant interpretations or opinions. CSM's regular appointment with disappointment has less to do with cultural differences, than it has to do with personal make-up. We all had an image of China and Chinese women before we went there or met one, and have had to adapt our image when confronted with the reality. But if your self-image is that far removed from reality, think how much more difficult it must be to overcome cultural preconceptions, not just in China, but anywhere.
I am about the same age as the shark, living and working in Chongqing with my wife and 6-month-old son. I might even be one of the ugly, old and overweight ones CSM loves to characterize everyone who isn't him as. I'm not desperate, nor do I have any social disorders, but if I start exploding with vicious verbal diarrhea as soon as anyone disagrees with my worldview, you have every right to cart me off to the funny farm. I sometimes share my experiences in the hope that they might resonate with other people, and they might be of some practical benefit. I also hope I write well and am funny sometimes. But I don't wear a badge that says I know more about China than any Westerner, whether they live here or not.
In a crude way, CSM is helpful to newbies, in the same way that a concerned parent slaps a toddler's wrist to stop them from burning their hands. But after the rookie errors many of us make, we may need something a little more sophisticated in the way of advice, when it comes to the more complex issues of day-to-day living with a Chinese woman. The other site is full of "How do Chinese ladies have sex?" questions, and CSM slaps their wrist. Good for him. This site deals with more complex issues, with more in-depth questions than "Why didn't it work out with my latest girlfriend?". So maybe CSM should just carry on with his public service to newbies, while we carry on with the grown-up stuff.
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We are all about acceptance here, yes? New ideas, new concepts, re-education of preconceived ideologies? Also new cultures that come with undeniable challenges. I have in the past blasted a few on the other site, a few with blow-hart self importance issues, arrogant, rude, and obnoxious! Sure CSM has taken points to the extreme at times, but for those here that really listen to his message...he is fighting for the respect and honor of the typical Chinese woman. We have all read posts from men with less then good character, trying to degrade these women, and classify them more as a commodity or as schemers at best. And when CSM ripped them a new a$$, not one here... can truthfully say he didn't support it! Just as there are many here that only write about the virtues, and sugarcoat a lot about visiting China, I also appreciate the realistic truths that all members share from their experiences. Mike has shared his victories with us...as well as his sorrows to reach and teach others. Anyway, that's my perspective!
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Since this thread was created, I've taken some time to review some of these posts. In civilized society, communication has 2 parts, giving information and getting information (speaking and listening, basically). When speaking, there are also two parts. One is the message, one is the conveyance of the message. A good communicator is one who uses both parts to get his message across. If you only use one half, your message has a chance of being lost. For example, if I'm walking down a street and see a friend, then he smiles at me and I notice he has spinach in his teeth, there are several ways to tell him. One, I say, "You have spinach in your teeth." in a quiet voice. Another way would be to say, as loudly as an American can say it, "You stupid son of a bitch, you have some green shit in your teeth!! Don't you know anything about hygiene?"
So, go back and read some of his posts. Can you tell me what his message generally is? Some here have said he thinks he is better than everyone. Some say his message is that you have to live in China to know something about Chinese women. You get the idea, there are many different opinions. My point is, whatever you think about China Shark Mike, I can tell you this: he is not a very good communicator. So, his message is often to garbled to be understood.
I think the original question was: Wouldn't he liven up the place? My answer would be yes, but that isn't what this forum is really about. It's about information sharing and helping people like myself, who are going through what many of you have already gone through. Getting and sharing information to help current and future members understand what they are getting into, and helping them find success in their journeys... that is what this forum is about. I personally would say that CSM would take just as much away from this forum as he would add to it. Liveliness doesn't equate to enjoyment.
Just a relative newbie to this forum's opinion here.
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Some say his message is that you have to live in China to know something about Chinese women.
He is obviously is a obnoxious SOB , i read that he has had relationships with no fewer than 7 women in his stay in China, Many Chinese women like the idea of a western husband but when they meet the "fish", they bolt, 7 women ???, cant see it is all their fault for the relationship to end???, they have learnt how arrogant this man is and run, just my opinion, John>
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JohnB. Great observation.
Plus your thread has, through CSM, livened things up a little bit on this site.
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I can tell you this: he is not a very good communicator. So, his message is often to garbled to be understood.
There is a underlying reason for his garbling. It is his thoughts written out, under the influence of alcohol or other substances. This is why his perspective runs up and down in the same post.
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Maybe he does not want to rush into things. Others on here have and have headed into problems!
Me, I had traveled the world and it was not until I was way into my 60's that I decided that the time was right to make a permanent attachment. Having kids was never an option I wanted to take. Probably because I am selfish to a point.
maybe the women are not running from CSM! He could have picked up on the fact that most on here have been married at least once before and what does that say about individuals. Are you saying that in every case of a divorce amongst our members that it was the woman in the wrong!
CSM has time to decide if and when he wants to marry. The longer he takes in deciding means the shorter the time he has to rue the day he rushed into something.
Willy
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In regards to CSM, I give him his due. His 'Modus operandi' is as the 'Keeper of the Gate' at the ChnLuv forum, all things China, all things China women. He operates well within the confines of that other forum...sometimes compassionately so and other times like Judge Roy Bean, as witnessed by CSM's all too graphic approach in problem resolution. Maybe this mutually advantageous relationship of CSM & ChnLuv adds to the synergies of the ChnLuv forum. Without CSM that would be one dead forum.
Cutting to the chase of the China woman quest, one has to realize a lot of guys at the ChnLuv magazine website are, just plain & simple, clueless. It is as if they think they just go down to the corner store and simply order a beautiful China woman. Then again, the worst, there are a lot of f8cking assholes out & about this world, highly energized and mobile thanks to the internet, they only want to get their rocks off. As graphic as I write, it is just exactly that. This ugly shadow blights the good intentions of all honorable gentlemen seeking a China wife.
We may think the numbers of these tainted one's are small, but it is not so. Just talk to any marriage agency principle. It is 'today's' reality show.
Of course all the male members on this forum are 'honorable' guys on this 'adult version' of that ChnLuv forum. Seemingly so, we do not suffer conflict. We have a good number of contributors dispensing good information.
Being so, I think CSM serves his good purpose over there. His is the typical 'theory X' behavior of the protective, but arrogant American. He doesn't suffer the fools, the unwary. Whether this works well with his own personal quest in finding his 'perfect' China woman, that remains to be seen.
For me, getting married. It was easy. It is easy!
Guess what? The hard part has just begun.
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Which other forum are we talking about? I've only ever visited this one.
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hey Neil, try this
http://www.chnlove.com/forum/ (http://www.chnlove.com/forum/)
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Then there is the possibility...CSM tries to dissuade those... by asserting himself as their protector for the ones that come to the forums for the entertainment, and have no real means or where-with-all to actually follow through with their promises to come to China...leaving the girls on a string and breaking hearts or destroying dreams. For every questionable lady plotting her thing...there's probably a hundred men that can't walk the talk.
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The real test is when you are living together 24/7 that will tell if the two of you will make
it. But I do feel that you have to be careful with the cross continent relationships. But don't
be overly careful were it ruins it.
Don't be overly careful were it ruins it??? But often that means getting married a few days after getting off a plane. That has happened to people on here who turned in a failure. No time to get to know each other properly face to face and not doing so is what kills it.
To me marriage is a one time thing. Unfortunately others go for it time after time.
But maybe I was lucky that I could spend the time here courting my wife before we married. I got to know her likes and dislikes and she certainly got to know all about my quirks.
But then my attitude to life may well be different to others. Living in China is not for everyone. For me, out of all the countries that I have lived in, not just visited, it is my best choice I ever.
Willy
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Yeah, living in China certainly isn't for everyone. I couldn't have lived here when I was an angry young man! People pushing in front of me or playing loud music all day would have pushed me over the edge. But now I don't let it get to me, and just concentrate on the longer term plan.
The main problem I have now is commitment. The quality of lady I've met in Guangzhou and Shenzhen have been absolutely outstanding. But there is of yet no clear front runner.
Sooner or later one will emerge. My brother took 6 years to find his eventual wife, so the search can sometimes take a while.
There are alternative universes where I married Miss Wu, Miss Wang or Miss Fu. I wonder how they turned out?
I'd recommend the newbies stick to the English speaking ladies though. Many of the ladies I've met have had some pretty major issues in their lives. And many ladies have been somewhat reluctant to talk about them.
If I'm still single in the Autumn I'm going to move away from online dating. There are many other ways of meeting ladies here.
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Sooner or later one will emerge. My brother took 6 years to find his eventual wife, so the search can sometimes take a while.
Why rush it? It took me 45 years to find the right lady! And in those years there were definately many 'ups and downs'
Willy
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My whole life I've been a man in a hurry!
I guess I annoyed Miss Huang last weekend by trying to speed up our relationship... on the other hand it's essential to cut out timewasters and women who just want travel buddies.
On the other hand I saw road accident #15 today, and this one actually happened in front of my own eyes. It doesn't always pay to live live at 110 miles an hour (especially when you're riding an electric bike ha ha ha)!!!
Now I am slowing down and chilling out with a 3.5RMB beer.
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Now I am slowing down and chilling out with a 3.5RMB beer.
3.5 rmb beer. Am I middle class or something? The man from the store has just delivered my 24 pack of 4rmb 'Harbin'!
Willy
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I like that Pearl River stuff, it's cheaper than Harbin. Harbin gives me a headache.
I found some really good beer called Haizhu but it's hard to find. Also Shenzhen brewery stuff is really good, but it's also hard to find.
If you were truly middle class you'd drink 5 RMB a bottle Tsingtao!
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C'mon I do not drink bottles. How can I be the matcho man and crush the containers with my bare hands as I can with a tin. ;D ;D
Willy
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Put can squarely in hand...swiftly slam into forehead. Yes, that will cause headaches! :'(
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Put can squarely in hand...swiftly slam into forehead. Yes, that will cause headaches! :'(
Look. I am a pseudo matcho man not a certified nutcase. haha.
Willy
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Actually I've been here long enough to begin to think that the beer here tastes better in cans. The downside is that bottles are a lot cheaper for some reason.
But note that I've not yet been here long enough to walk around chewing a toothpick and with my t-shirt worn like some kind of sports bra!!!
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Budweiser was on a big push here last year. But it never took off with me for obvious reasons! ;D
Willy
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Sorry Bud beer SUCKS!!!!! But they do have an excellent marketing plan that sells
the beer for them
Of course they do. They sell it to Americans. Ha Ha
There is nothing like a pint glass of Brown and Mild - a pint glass that is not a glass mug. Or a bottle of Shepherd's Neames special brew that is brewed in Kent and locally called Nuns Delight but its brewers actual name for it is still 'Bishop's Finger'
Willy
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Discening American beer drinkers won't drink Bud or Miller, the two big name brands in the USA. I personally imagine it tastes similar to cold, watered down, urine. I don't drink beer, or any alcohol, often any more. But when I do, I drink (NO, I'm not going to say Dos Equiis!) Samuel Adams. Finely crafted American beer. Try it for yourself if you can find it.
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Just goes to prove how gullible the people there are. ;D ;D
Me buying American beer. Oh dear that is like suggesting I visit Las Vegas once more when Macau has now put it into second place. 8) ;)
Willy
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What makes you think that I am not already banned from America? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Willy
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Yall can put all that swill back in the horse it came out of! Real drinkers make their own! haha 8)
(http://www.apptrav.com/popcorn-sutton.jpg)
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for what's it worth...f*ck budweiser. garbage! garbage! garbage!
Red Hook was my favorite for many years, out of Seattle, long time ago. f*ckin' budweiser bought
into it. commercialized it (moved it to Woodenville) destroyed it. somethings are never forgotten.
when it washes out, corporate America is crap when it comes down to culture.
stupid budweiser destroyed an excellent American "bitter" beer.
good luck finding something equal in the domestic marketplace. it just ain't so.
for the last umpteen years I imbibe Deschutes "Black Butte Porter", a very fine brew.
Europe still has the best beer overall, but the American 'micro's' are the best! seems like every little
city has a number of microbrews.
budweiser just pisses me off! I still hate those assholes.
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I hear you John! In 2006 at the World Cup (Soccer) Bud even took over at the Venue's with their darn Ad's. Like the Germans were to drink that shit. As usual, Money talks. Americans just don't really know what "Good" beer is, so they sell you Piss.
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I hear you John! In 2006 at the World Cup (Soccer) Bud even took over at the Venue's with their darn Ad's. Like the Germans were to drink that shit. As usual, Money talks. Americans just don't really know what "Good" beer is, so they sell you Piss.
Bring on the OktoberFest I say.
Willy
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I do think the Beer wars have begun. ;D
News at 11:00
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I do think the Beer wars have begun. ;D
News at 11:00
I think we may have been victorious in that one. ;D ;D ;D
Willy
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Carrefour here do all kinds of foreign beers including a load from Germany. The foreign stuff they have on display tends to vary though, so if they have something good it's best to stockpile it.
The expat bars do all kinds of stuff but the prices are out of this world.
I really love Kirin, but you've got to be careful being seen drinking Japanese beer here. The old Cantonese guys who work in the factory next to my apartment spend all night reading their newspapers. Periodically they'll have a heated discussion - I guess they've just read that the Japanese have done something outrageous or something.
My sister's guy loves Bud but when I go back to the UK in July I'll be on the cider as it's just so impossibly hard to find out here. I never saw the attraction of Bud.
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My sister's guy loves Bud but when I go back to the UK in July I'll be on the cider as it's just so impossibly hard to find out here. I never saw the attraction of Bud.
Your in good company Brett. This was the report in The Guardian recently. ;D ;D
'White cider is becoming like heroin among alcoholics, says report
Super-strength ciders are becoming popular among heavy drinkers as tax breaks to protect the industry make them a cheaper fix'
Willy
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I almost hate to ask this but is white cider anything like hard cider? Only in American lingo?
And by the way... What does CSM have to do with any of this? ;D
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RoberttS is that a photo of you at home ha ha , regards Sujuan and Robert .
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RoberttS is that a photo of you at home ha ha , regards Sujuan and Robert .
Nope, That,s " Popcorn Sutton " legendary " moonshiner ". :)