China Romance
All About China => Your trip to China => Topic started by: JimB on June 09, 2009, 02:23:58 pm
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My Lady is constantly asking me about our Swine Flu problem here. She asks if it is near me, etc. I keep telling her that I have not heard of a new case in over 3 weeks. Apparently in China, at least in Beijing she says they are saying it is an epidemic here in the states. She keeps saying that she is concerned both for my health and for my itinerary.
There have been over 20 new cases reported all over Beijing alone. The reason she knows is that she is a Surgical nurse in a hospital there. She believes that there are a lot more cases not being reported. So if anyone is going to Beijing or for that matter anywhere in China, It is advisable to take all precautions. While just 20 + cases in over millions of people is not a lot, it is something to take note of. And for one wiley canuck there now keep your head down and mask on. I was going to say something like a true smart a$$ and tell you a mask may not be a bad idea anyway, but decided against it.
Has anyone heard anything else about this? I know that a few weeks ago when I renewed my visa, they had cut out the overnight and quick return because of it.
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My girlfriend in Beijing is also worried. She jokingly said she is going to lock me up in the bedroom when I come to Beijing. I am not concerned about swine flu. Being in the life insurance business, I know approximately 36,000 a year die from influenza each year in the USA. During the 1990's the death rate averaged from 17,000 to 52,000. Swine flu will not change these statistics that much. The best protection is watch what you eat, exercise and wash hands frequently.
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It'll take more than a flu bug to keep me away from China this summer, its completely over hyped to my mind.
Wild horses wouldn't stand much of a chance come to think of it either ...take that flu swine!
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I havent seen the US news in a couple of weeks, but I can tell you on international flights when you arrive in China, they use a type of thermal temperature gun (cannot remember the name at the moment) then when walking into all domestic airports they take your temperature with termal imaging. They have blocked all entrances down to one so they can scan everyone.
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Guys you have no idea the type of propaganda that the government is spreading. They are scared ever since the SARS thing. They are not taking any chances anymore. If you have a high fever your doctor puts you in the hospital regardless of what is causing it. My ex was hospitalized for three days and another girl I know from Chnlove was also in the hospital for a week. Everyday that I enter the school grounds I get that thermal scan Ronan is talking about. I really didn't know what it was until a fellow teacher informed me about it. Hell, the kids in my classes are more up to date on this stuff than I am. It is serious business and in thier eyes they are leaving nothing to chance. In a sense it is really a good thing to overreact as opposed to not reacting at all. Just last week my supervisor asked me if I have traveled to Hong Kong or any other places in May. I am a poor English teacher who hasn't been outside of Shenzhen for 5 months. If you are found to have a fever in China you will be put into a hospital whether you like it or not, they aren't playing and will not take any chances. As populated as China is I think this is a necessary precaution. If you are a type to get sick easy put off your trip until a later date. When I first arrived in China I must have gotten really sick at least 4 or 5 times in six weeks because my body couldn't fight off the germs here and also my respitory system needed time to adjust to the increased pollution levels. Now after 5 months the pollution doesn't bother me anymore and the germs now are harmless to me. Believe me guys you don't want to be quarenteened here while trying to see your women. Give it time and this thing will slow down.
China Shark Mike
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Oh Man , that is all I need . Go to Guangzhou for the interview and receive Visa for Qing and Swine Flu for me . Maybe NASA has a Spacesuit it doesn't need anymore ?
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Shark is right, do not take any chances, I have had everything under the sun in my travels, so I did not fall ill at all in China. But if you must journey take precautions, including wearing medical masks. Boil your water and only eat at places your lady trusts. Stay away from people coughing take wet napkins and keep your hands and face clean.
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Now you guys did it? You talked about it and now there's a new string out. But they say theirs a Vaccine for it and even though it's going around there's no worry.
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On the news this evening that the WHO are about to raise the threat to level 6 which is global pandemic level.
This, while going by the numbers, is the right thing to do but the planned response in relation to a pretty benign flu bug (in this case) is totally disproportional.
This better not result in me not being able to visit my ling or there will be worse than a few sniffles to contend with!!
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Shark or Chong,
Have you guys heard heard anything today about whether the gov't is going to quarantine all incoming Americans? HK is cancelling school for 2 weeks because of several students having the flu. We're worried they are going to implement this before we get there Tuesday.
Thx,
Kevin
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If this swine flu thing messes up my trip in mid July, I am gonna be pissed!
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Martin, don't sweat it man. Hysteria is starting to die down because the last few days I haven't been thermal scanned upon entry into my school. I think the worst is past and you guys can breathe a sigh of relief.
Shark
Like I just said the hysteria is seemingly dying down in Shenzhen. Only real concern about being quareteened{spelling} should be if you arrive in Hong Kong or mainland China with a fever. If you get past the thermal scan I would think no issue at all.
Shark
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Guys, I just talked to Angel tonight. She is saying it is getting worse. She actually has a case in her small hospital. Definitely Swine flu. They have him in isolation. She knew of 5 new cases. Hope fully this is the end of it. If not. I do not want to think of the consequences. I do not want to worry anyone. Maybe it will all be over soon. Just be thinking of contingency plans. She has not heard of anything changing in travel yet. I would seriously think of getting a flu shot before going though. Just to be on the safe side.
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Just a question...and I am not trying to panic anyone...is there any chance the borders get closed?
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Martin I think the chances are highly unlikely that they would close the borders. It would kill travel and tourism business coming into China. Too many rich business men pay the government huge fees and bribes to keep the cash flowing. Health is an important issue yet making the almighty dollar will always take precedent. It would not be in China's best interest to make such a drastic move. First it makes them appeared frightened {lose face issue} second it appears to look like they do not have control of this thing. Realize men are running China therefore the decisions are going to be logical and not emotion based. The only thing I would suggest for you guys to do as a prevenative measure is to stock up and start dosing up on antioxidants as well supplimenting diet with zinc. If you are generally a healthy guy you should be fine here and not have to worry about getting stuck in a hospital. The majority of the flu going around here is you average run of the mill variety. How do you think I feel probably teach around 600 students a week. Imagine the exposure of bugs I must encounter on a daily basis. Get proper amount of rest, eat right and you should be able to stave off whatever is going around here.
China Shark Mike
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Here in Melbourne is the Swine Flu Capital of the World. We have nearly two thousand cases in our city and not one single death. We have a few people in hospital and they're people who were sick with other things already. I hope I am right, but my feeling this is not big deal.
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I believe the big deal with swine flu is that the more people that get it, the more chance it has of mutating. the 1918 flu pandemic was similar. The first wave was relatively mild and mostly ignored. The second wave was 100% fatal to pregnant women and their unborn children, had a 10-20% mortality rate otherwise. When this thing mutates, nobody knows how it will behave. It could become benign or it could become deadly.
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About Swine Flu, the french government said that France should be "prepared" to see more signs in Spring, because as the weather gonna change, there are lot of chances to get it back in France. Actually, there are some cases but in Paris, I know it's ok, even where I'm living.
But it is said that the Pandemic at the highest level is ready to be reached and activated...
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I think it would almost be preferable to get it now so you have some immunity if there is a second more nasty strain coming later on.
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I've read that Ronan. Most people that got the flu in 1918 were immune to the second deadlier strain. I also read that they've released a swine flu vaccine weeks earlier than anticipated.
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Well, does anyone over here has any "confirmation" about swine flu in China?
My ex just called me, as her boss has her wife who is chinese, and her chinese family (in China) said that people who were going there will have one incubation's week....
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Well, if that's the case ,knowing that I'l go there for one week, I wouldn't be blocked because of that, and not see Ting :(
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Sylvain , One of our travel company managers just went to Shanghi for a conference and because someone on the plane tested positive for the swine flu they put everyone into 7 day Q'tine , so she was not happy Jan but you should be okay , all fingers are crossed for you .
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Thanks for the return, Robert :)
Well, if I see someone who got swine fu, I throw him though the plane, I don't want to be in quarantine once there ^^
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I just talked to Angel this AM. She says 60 new cases in Beijing since last Friday. None new in her hospital though.
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I flew into Hong Kong in May. Three days later while listening to the news, I heard that a woman had swine flu on the same plane I was on. She was about 20 rows behind me. The form you fill out upon arrival (I filed 3 different times the same form on my way from HK to Shenzhen) asks for the phone number and address you will stay at. I never did get contacted. The one place my wife works at had her boss not giving her any work for one whole month because he was worried that I might have brought swine flu with me.
My body tempreature was only checked once and that was when I filed the last time the form. By this time I had been in country for almost 2 hours co-mingling with the residents. The reports I read say that the flu is passed by body contact and not by air. All the health checking people had masks on but no gloves. They hand me a pen and paper to write with and then take it back from me. All I am thinking is that if this flu becomes very deadly.... we are in serious trouble.
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Eh please, don't come disturb my future travel, I want to travel in nice conditions ^^
(Ok ok, it was not mentionned on my flight that I could get flu "for free", as a "bonus" in fact... :))
Ok ok it's not very funny....
Anyone has a candle to light for me when I'll be flying??? :icon_cheesygrin:
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I will light two candles, say a prayer in English and Chinese then light incense. For you and for me.
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Hey wasn't there a Hong Kong flu years ago?
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Think that outbreak was in 1983 but don't quote me on it. And after SARS they are playing anymore. Got to figure how busy a port like
Hong Kong is too.
Shark
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My lady is a doctor in hospital in Zhuhai - she tells me that ther H1 N1 virus has not been a problem in Zhuhai and I must admit that I have not seen it mentioned for a week or more on CCTV (Chinese English speaking channel)
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She told me this am that the health bureau is inspecting all of the hospitals to make sure the quarantine areas are following their guidelines and also checking the cleanliness of the hospital.
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Flying Pigs and the WHO
Flying Pigs, Tami flu and Factory Farms
WHO takes a page from a Michael Crichton Novel
As the late great American poet Yogi Berra might have put it, “this just gets absurder and absurder.” The international agencies supposedly responsible for monitoring worldwide dangers of new pandemic threats, the WHO and CDC are acting like the directors of a Hollywood “B” grade sci-fi movie or the author of a copycat version of Michael Crichton’s Andromeda Strain novel. The global panic over outbreak of a new human-to-human Swine Flu pandemic is increasingly revealed as a likely operation in mass psychological terror whose only beneficiaries are the few global pharmaceutical giants that are in the business of peddling so-called “antiviral” drugs—Roche, SmithKlineGlaxo and Novavax most prominently. The losers are the rest of people, normal folks.
Political Lies and Media Disinformation
Pandemic
The media reports are twisted. Realities are turned up side down. Policy statements are not backed by medical and scientific evidence, statements are unfounded.
Flu is a contagious respiratory illness caused by influenza viruses. Millions of people worldwide get the flu each year predominantly during the winter months and wet season in the tropics. Most people are sick for about a week. Some people (especially young children, pregnant women, older people, and people with chronic health problems) can get very sick and may die from the flu.
There are millions of cases of influenza across America, on an annual basis. “According to the Canadian Medical Association Journal, the flu kills up to 2,500 Canadians and about 36,000 Americans annually. Worldwide, the number of deaths attributed to the different types of flu each year is between 250,000 and 500,000”
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One thing wrong with that Frans, Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra is a former Major League Baseball player and manager and is not "Late" yet. He has many Quotes that have been written.
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I'm starting to freak out a little over this.
The English have decided to move from containment to treatment. They are predicting 100,000 cases there by August. people travel from Ireland to England all the time which means its about to start sky rocketing here.
Worldwide it seems that the fight is lost, keeping that in mind the Chinese policy of putting people in hospital for a week if anyone near them on the plane exhibits flue like symptoms seems futile and seriously inconveniencing to travellers, if it was a normal sightseeing holiday I had planned I'd probably cancel because of this. I am definitely asking to change seats if anyone near me so much as sneezes or coughs before take off.
I really hope they abandon this sooner rather than later .
I've the constitution of a horse and haven't been sick in years so am not particularly concerned about this but am more concerned that I'll arrive in Beijing only to have to spend my first week there in some crappy hotel room :(
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In the last couple of days there have been 90 new cases of Swine Influenza in the Beijing area. Particularly in the 4th ring. this is the neighborhood of my lady. And her hospital. Mostly school children were infected. Todays newspaper there "Traced" it to an American couple. It said something to the effect that they were there on a "political mission" (what that means I havent a clue and Neither does Angel). This bothers me on a few levels and raises questions on what they are trying to accomplish with this article. Plus with my trip just 37 days away, how or will it affect me. i would not like it but I could stand to be isolated for 7 days, after all I am going for 2 months. Or will they just stop Americans from entering the country. Of course this act is not a medical one but a political one and is that the reason for the article?, to get their citizens up in arms as this was about children. Think how we would react to something like that. Wouldnt our citizenry cry out for a ban on all Chinese coming into the country until it was cooled down? Whether they do it or not would be another story. Depending on the political climate at the time and were we mad at the Chinese for some reason. I could bypass Beijing and go straight to Wuhan if need be. But she cannot leave because she is a charge nurse in surgery. She tells me that they are not leaving their dorm at all except to go to work and come home. 10 cases are in her building. There is starting to become a great concern. I asked her if anyone has yet died, she said she knew of only one. A senior citizen. Thankfully not a child. We have not heard from Sameldrum1 yet. He was supposed to leave yesterday, I think. He was going to Beijing I know. It will be interesting to hear from him to see what, if any, reactions to him are. I do not think there is cause for alarm yet but I am starting to look at back up plans. Just in case.
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I don't know what is going on. Here in Florida with such close ties to Mexico (don't ask) There was a reported 3 people in the whole state. 1 passed recent from it, a 80 something yo man.
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This is the thing, I don't think the mortality rate is any higher than with a regular flu virus. Surely its in everyone's interest therefore to let it spread and we all all get immunity to the thing before it mutates into something more serious and starts killing normal healthy folk too instead of just the usual elderly and weak.
Jim this thing about demonizing Americans as being root cause is worrying too.
I remember reading in the paper there that this years new year celebrations caused a hotel to be burned down after foreigners set off illegal fireworks....now that might be true but I find it all too coincidental.
I can see as the virus takes hold the press going crazy and blaming Americans /westerners and that making our journey difficult, hard to see how this is going to play out.
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There are two stories about the New Years fire. I saw the building when I was there. At first it was just that they were celebrating the Grand opening of the hotel and didnt test any fireworks before hand. Next it was foreigners had illegal fireworks. But the truth is a combination, the local company, (Foreign owned) was celebrating the grand opening and new Years when fireworks went astray and landed in it. Starting the fire. Apparently the guys lighting the fireworks had no professional training, hence illegal. it started in an unfinished part of the building so everything was exposed and caught fire easily. That is what a cabbie and my friend both said.
The political climate between the US and China right now is not great either. China is also trying to maneuver to get their currency as the world standard instead of the US, so I think any reason to blame the US would be used. It also may be true what the paper said. Angel took the paper at its word. And gave it to me as a fact when I asked her how she knew about the carriers.
You are right it is hard to know how this will pan out. I am not pushing the panic button yet, but I am surely looking at backup plans.
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I did write to my travel agency and asked them about this. I have only 1 hour and 5 minutes between my flights in Hong Kong so I have to change really fast from one plane to another. I also told them that I got news about people waiting for 40 minutes before they was allowed to leave the airplane..
The travel agency contacted Cathay Pacific and was told that they thought there wasn't going to be any problems about this. I was also told that I have to take a new contact next Wednesday and see if there is any change in the situation.
Thanks for the advice bout filling out a health document. I will fill in my Ladies address and phone number since I doesn't know where she rented our apartment.
I hope this wouldn't mess up our wedding....
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I was checked by doctor when I arrived in Zhuhai a week ago. Asked a few questions stuck a thermometer under my arm told me I was OK. and off I went into this new world.
All they wanted was my China telephone number in case anyone sitting near me on the plane or ferry contracted it.
They are now reporting it on TV here that UK numbers are going up and in a month should reach 100,000 but that figure is styill below the one the give for USA.
The figure no one ever gives is how many out of the numbers they quote have now got over it and are no longer a risk to others.
Willy The Londoner
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Willy.... Did they do the check when you arrived on the final destination or when you was changing flights somewhere in China ????
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The Irish government just announced that every man, women and child that wants it will get a vaccination this Autumn here.
As I'm planing on returning for Christmas after August then I'll be getting vaccinated for sure, assuming I haven't gotten natural immunity by then!
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Jim, there were 5 cases reported here last week. All at the military hospital and they are saying no connection between patients prior to hospital visit. Hmmmmm..........
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Everyone is being hyped up on this Swine Flu. From the 100,000s and possibly millions, that have caught this flu, the only people that it has affected, over and above normal flu symptoms, are the Sick, the susceptible, and the very old. That has been confirmed by every country affected to date. I listen to the BBC news here, talking to the top Professors in their field, they say there is no serious concern at this time, the virus H1N1 has never mutated to their knowledge. Seems that's the only worry they really have, of the H1N1 virus mutating.
The Chinese Authorities always panic, if they think that anything will affect their standing in the world. It's the Face thing again...... hahaha!!
Anyway in answer to the question raised abovet, .... Yes virtually everyone recovers, in the same time span as they would with normal Flu.... 10 to 14 days
David.....
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David what was it the Chinese bungeld a few years ago?Was it Asian bird flu or swomething like that.
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Yes, the bird flu virus H1N2 also called SARS !! And YES they lost a lot of face in that period of time Mainly through not listening to anyone, and later Panicing again .....
David
I seem to remember an episode of the Beverly Hillbilly's Where Granny had a potion for the flu, Guaranteed to Cure. Now this potion had bits of every known critter and insect and every evil tasting fauna in America!! ..... Knowing of Granny's other remedies working, The sharp ones wanted the recipe to make a fortune for themselves. It took till the end of the episode, ....Before Granny came out with the statement ''If today, you take my potion you will be fit as a fiddle and chasing possums again in 10 days" hahahaha!!
Even Granny's potion, didn't make much difference to our old enemy the common flu!! ...hahahaha!!
David ........
Hahaha, this discussion just reminded me of that hillbiy episode
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Absolutely right. No real medical danger, just political. No new cases in Beijing in the past 4 days.
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Absolutely right. No real medical danger, just political. No new cases in Beijing in the past 4 days.
I suppose in a way that does vindicate their total crackdown. Though long term its futile of course and potentially lethal if the damn thing mutates.
I'm just hoping and praying there's no-one with a high temperature on the plane I'm on over there!
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Quikcad,
I don't think there is going to be much chance of that happening to you. Canceling School is one thing, losing face to the world is another. You may have to go through a simple screening at the airport, but that's about it. It's going to take a lot more than you stated, for them to start quarantining Foreign visitors.
The case of the quarantining at the hotel in HK, earlier in the year, was seen to the world as being over the top panic again.
So i think, ... they'll think more than just twice before they do that again.
David.......
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Before I get on the plane from Seoul I am going to screen every passenger myself. anyone who looks even warm, I am going to stop them. I will claim they tried to steal from me or something. lol
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I read they take the temperature by scanning your forehead, I better not get sunburn on the way over and be glowing red hot again haha!
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Irish, what you have read is totally true. I lived it two times in the plane when I was arriving in Beijing... just because the first time it was "to prevent" and the second one because it seemed that a passenger just became ill just before going outside the plane...
Well... we also had to do administrative papers (a few ones), just to say where we could be joined during a week, where we would go and so on...
Just another thing that I noticed everywhere... and that just made me angry a bit.
In every road, every street, every shop, everywhere in fact...
Some chinese just "mefy" about us...
Why?
====> white skin =====> swine flu comes from Mexico ======> we are western men ===> we could got it... When I was alone, it was difficult to have any taxi who could "catch" me... when I was with Ting or her sister, there were no problem... but I didn't have this problem with any motor"taxi" ^^
And some chinese just could go the opposite way from you, just to not be in contact with you...
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It is highly unlikely that you would pick anything up from being on a plane with someone that's infected (so long as there not sitting next to you).
The air changes, in a modern airplane are such that, bugs don't get a chance to spread around. At every air change at least 80% is fresh air, that even then goes thru Super Hepa filters. So it's only on films that bugs can infect a whole airplane ...haha!!
Remember the good old days when you could smoke on planes? Aways at the back end, But the first row of non-smoking seats, never got to smell the tobacco fumes, .... that's how good the the air systems are in this flying taxi's......
David.....
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Slyvain, when you landed in Beijing what details did they want from you exactly?
Is it enough to tell them which hotel you are staying in? If they want to know my contacts there (Ling) is it enough to give her name and mobile number or do they want her address also (i don't know this- i just send her stuff to her work address as thats where she is during the daytime).
Also i've only booked the hotel for the first couple of nights in case i dont like it and want to change when I get there.
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Irish , all they want to know where your staying ( Hotel / Girlfriend's ) , for how long and your contact ( a Phone number is all you need . Ones you there , you pretty much Travel as you please , but make sure you alway's have a Copy of your Passport and Visa for China ( leave your real one at a Hotel Safe ) in case you get stopped for some reason or another ( you never know ) .
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Irish , all they want to know where your staying ( Hotel / Girlfriend's ) , for how long and your contact ( a Phone number is all you need . Ones you there , you pretty much Travel as you please , but make sure you alway's have a Copy of your Passport and Visa for China ( leave your real one at a Hotel Safe ) in case you get stopped for some reason or another ( you never know ) .
Thanks Arnold, then there should be no problems as long as the damn flu stays away, I think I'm close to maximum panic regarding that..actually no that will be in two weeks time when I board the plane there haha!
She booked me into a hotel today and sent me the ereceipts - the embassy wants these to change my visa from single to dual entry.
I feel so excited, i was last there five months ago, it seems like five days now thinking of it.
Looking forward to meeting Jim there too.
Hey Arnold as a Beijing pro what are maybe the best four things to see there?
Have seen Tienanmen square already so would like to see some of the other stuff, hopefully in time I'll get to see it all. I am so psyched I could explode right now with the Malaysian trip and all with her too.
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Slyvain, when you landed in Beijing what details did they want from you exactly?
Is it enough to tell them which hotel you are staying in? If they want to know my contacts there (Ling) is it enough to give her name and mobile number or do they want her address also (i don't know this- i just send her stuff to her work address as thats where she is during the daytime).
Also i've only booked the hotel for the first couple of nights in case i dont like it and want to change when I get there.
Well, sorry, Irish, I didn't see your asking, so yes, they need many things (where you will stay, phone number, who they have to contact (phone) if there's something about you, how long you stay and if you will move somewhere when you'll be arrived. You will have to keep the paper on you each day, so will you with the visa.
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Irish , I have made a new Thread with the Tourguide's Cell and E-Mail , I had in Beijing . The thing's I have seen with Qing ;
1; The forbidden City .
2; The new Grand Theater ( next to Tiananmen Square ).
3; The Summer and Winter Palace's .
4; Olympic Village ( Birdnest ) .
5; The Simatai Great Wall .
6; Baihai Park .
7; The Temple of the Heaven's .
8; Downtown , the new CCTV Building .
9; All the good Eateries you can find .
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Irish, The Wall of course, then there is the Summer Palace, the zoo is actually a good place to see Panda's, last time i was there they had 15. The Hall of good Harvests, (at least 2-4 hours) The summer Palace is a good 4 to 5 hours walk around. If you see everything. The summer palace is real close to Tianneman Square. The silk bazaar is really something to see. There is "Sex in Da City" and a place called the "Bunny Club", I did not go into the last two. lol. They are over by the Lufthansa Mall. The only one I took a tour to was the Wall. It was a 6 -7 hour day. Cost $50 usd, if I remember correctly. It was a Bus a tour, guide, Lunch ( was very good) and two stops. One to a Jade Factory and the other to a Holistic type clinic. The rest I had my "Godson" he is a registered tour guide. There is Mao's tomb. I did not go there the last time, This time I will. This will be my third trip to Beijing and so I will have plenty of time this time to see a little more. You do not have to have a guide in the Summer Palace, everything is very well marked and in English also but you can miss a lot without one. I cant think of anything else, maybe Arnold can.
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I must say , my Wife and I had it easy . Her Aunt and Uncle live in Beijing , so they just handed us a big Map with some circles on it , for what to see and we just followed it ... one by one .
They did not mentioned the Zoo , maybe because we seen the SH Zoo already ? Beside my Wife has that Panda outfit , the only time I chase the Bear instead the other way around . :angel:
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I have actually been to the Zoo twice. Once because I wanted to see the Panda's and the second time because Qingqing wanted to see the Dolphin show. (Not much at all by the way) But I love to watch the Panda's.
I had not thought about getting Angel a "Panda Suit". Send me a pic Arnold. hehe
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JIm , I'll see if I can upload it , it's not in our regular pjg format . It's was send with a chinese version "taotec" and is with a zippered attachment .
Funny , I see the zippered attachment on my Picture page , but going through the Browse part , it is not showing at all . None of my zippered photo's are there , to upload ? Need to figure it out .
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Arnold send them to me. I'll PM you
JIm , I'll see if I can upload it , it's not in our regular pjg format . It's was send with a chinese version "taotec" and is with a zippered attachment .
Funny , I see the zippered attachment on my Picture page , but going through the Browse part , it is not showing at all . None of my zippered photo's are there , to upload ? Need to figure it out .
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Thanks Arnold and Jim, if |i get half that stuff done I'll be happy. Between Beijing ,Tianjin, Kuala Lumpur, Penang and Langkawi this trip is is going to be non stop and huge fun.
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JIm , I'll see if I can upload it , it's not in our regular pjg format . It's was send with a chinese version "taotec" and is with a zippered attachment .
Funny , I see the zippered attachment on my Picture page , but going through the Browse part , it is not showing at all . None of my zippered photo's are there , to upload ? Need to figure it out .
If you can download it into "paint" do it and put a tiny mark on the page, then you can save it as J peg, easiest way I've found to change a pictures format but my computer skills are not good.
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Quebec finds first, Japan finds second cases of Tamiflu-resistant swine flu
Provided by: Canadian Press
Written by: Helen Branswell, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Jul. 22, 2009
TORONTO - Canada has recorded a case of Tamiflu-resistant swine flu virus, in a Quebec man who had been given the drug to prevent infection.
Meanwhile, Japan revealed Tuesday it had found a second such case of Tamiflu resistance, in a person who has no ties to the country's earlier reported case.
The cases are the fourth and fifth globally since the new H1N1 virus was discovered in April.
The Quebec man, 60, was given the flu antiviral after his son fell ill with the pandemic virus. It's believed the resistance arose in the man and there is no evidence he transmitted resistant virus to anyone else.
"It appears to be an isolated case," said Jirina Vlk, spokesperson for the Public Health Agency of Canada.
"Although the strain does not appear to have spread beyond the reported individual case we continue to be vigilant on this front."
Use of Tamiflu to prevent infection - a procedure called prophylaxis - has been seen on occasion to give rise to resistant viruses.
"We know that it was going to happen and it's not good news that it's happening," said Dr. Allison McGeer, an influenza expert at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital.
But she said given the amount of Tamiflu being used in the world right now, such cases are bound to arise.
"It's the problem with influenza, right? Either we're going to see small numbers of these and they're just going to kind of appear periodically and we're all going to worry or it's going to go big," McGeer said.
"There's probably not going to be much in between."
Another such case cropped up in Japan, in the city of Yamaguchi. Japan's National Institute of Infectious Diseases logged genetic sequence data for the virus on Tuesday in Genbank, a repository for genetic sequences used by flu researchers.
The lab's director, Dr. Masato Tashiro, confirmed the case in an email containing details provided to the World Health Organization.
The new case was a person who had been given the antiviral drug as post-exposure prophylaxis - an attempt to prevent illness in a person exposed to the pandemic virus.
The person has since recovered, and it appears that there has been no spread, the email stated. The virus was sensitive to Relenza, a second drug in the same class as Tamiflu.
The earlier Japanese case had occurred in a person in the city of Osaka.
Other cases have been reported by Denmark and Hong Kong. Four of the five cases arose in people who had been taking the drug.
One, however, was recorded in a girl from San Francisco who travelled while sick to Hong Kong. Health inspectors at the airport there pulled her aside and tested her for swine flu.
She was positive, but told doctors there she hadn't taken Tamiflu. That suggests the virus that caused her infection was already resistant. U.S. officials have intensified surveillance for resistant viruses in the San Francisco area but say they have not found other cases.
The Public Health Agency says the Quebec man recovered from his bout of swine flu without complications and never needed hospitalization.
Vlk said the agency recommends using Tamiflu for treatment only, adding prudent use of the drug could stave off the development of resistance.
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That last paragraph, is exactly what was said on the BBC news by a top professor today. He also stated that Tamiflu has shown little or no benifit as a preventative treatment. They have another anti-viral drug that has some success in prevention of swine flu, i didn't catch the name though....
David....
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Well guys a new outbreak of swine flu hit a major American campus: SAN FRANCISCO, California (AFP) – Some 2,000 students at Washington State University have reported symptoms of swine flu, university officials said, in one of the largest reported outbreaks of the virus on a US college campus.
Also this past week an Australian visiting Calgary died from the swine flu. He was here for the World trade skills competion. Authorities think he already had the virus before arriving.
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It'll yield added than a flu bug to accumulate me abroad from China this summer, its absolutely over absorbed to my mind.
Wild horses wouldn't angle abundant of a adventitious appear to anticipate of it either
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