China Romance
All About China => Your trip to China => Topic started by: Sylvain D on July 09, 2009, 05:30:04 pm
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Well..
Whatever happens, there's no way to be a dead's man, hurting himself with any shots of vodka and anything else to drink...
(in fact I have just water and some alcohol at home but no need to drink :) )
So....
I know that Arnold made me dreaming about the Great Wall, when I saw his pictures from there.
So, in September, I wish to go to Beijing.
For any other reasons, I would like to go to Shangaï, too.
Maybe.. I say, maybe... will I go back in Chongqing, for sure, I have any contacts at the Hilton Hotel who would be glad to see me again. A guy who's working there told me he know some friends who he could eventually introduce...
I know that maybe all is lost... and so...
I'm still alive.
Anyway, I will be there since :
19/09/09 up to 03/10/09
Maybe will I go there and proceed like that :
Chongqing, Shangaï, then Beijing. I will see for it.
I will try to have any contacts for all those 3 cities when I will have to move there, so, it would anyway be a good thing.
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That is the right attitude, Sylvain! Live goes on, no matter what happens! Nobody knows what is going to happen next. Just take the experiences from the last relationship and move on. Good luck!
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Anyway, I will be there since :
19/09/09 up to 03/10/09
Maybe will I go there and proceed like that :
Chongqing, Shangaï, then Beijing. I will see for it.
I will try to have any contacts for all those 3 cities when I will have to move there, so, it would anyway be a good thing.
Sly ,
can I recommend for you to Go to Beijing first , Shanghai second and only if there is time left Chongqing . Why ? If you go back to Chongqing , it will bring you back to not so good memories and I would stay away from there . Only go there if you MUST .
Just a hopefully good advice ?
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Well, Arnold, as I think, for sure, there were too many things in Chongqing, and that's why I hesitate to go back there...
But I found via the scanner a nice lady. I just sent a cupid notes, I'll see what to do later.
I also have any contacts at the Hilton Hotel, so, I would not be "so lost" :)
About Shangaï, I may will have 2 contacts (with 2 ladies, so :D), and that's why I say that I will go there.
I have checked distance and many other things.
Finally, about Beijing, I am lookin' for any contacts there, too. As I said, I have nothing to loose to move to those cities :) and that would really be good for me, too :)
As I would think, "go ahead, don't stop".
So, I will see next week how things will "evolve" about the ladies I contacted, and then, checking for planes and seeing where they will land first (If I have to go to Shangaï, will it be direct or will I have to go first at Beijing)... so, that's why I will look about all of it :)
I would say too, that even if for Chongqing, I would go there, I will probably not think about Ting if I'd have to see any other lady...
and I would say...
Just look at that profile, which makes me "hesitate" : P202970
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Wow ... wow , Sly ... are you sure you can handle Her ? She is not very shy showing what she has to offer . But be very ( Very ) careful on this one , it looks like a nice Bait with the large HOOK behind her back . I mean , I see what you see ... why not ... if it's not to late and 100 other Guy's are all over her already . But you never know ? You wouldn't like her Granny , she is also looking .
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Arnold, for sure, I am really "restrictive" when looking for someone... but if the lady isn't a bit nice, it won't help me... ^^
I'll see what to do on next week about that, in fact.
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Just look at that profile, which makes me "hesitate" : P202970
Wow! It's really in your face, isn't it? That's a really beautiful woman. There's something about dressing that way that just doesn't sit right with me. The Chinese women I know and respect, none of them dress anything like this. I just would never dream of writing to someone who dressed like this.
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Just look at that profile, which makes me "hesitate" : P202970
Wow! It's really in your face, isn't it? That's a really beautiful woman. There's something about dressing that way that just doesn't sit right with me. The Chinese women I know and respect, none of them dress anything like this. I just would never dream of writing to someone who dressed like this.
Well, as a boob man, I want to know what's wrong with having it, "in your face"? Seems perfectly natural to me. I am a fruit inspector: God made them, I was created to enjoy them. Right Vince?
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I gotta go with Skip on that one.
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Amazing what the right bra will do. Take it off and it goes down like the TiTantic.
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Read the bloody profile, is she a graphic designer or a bloody dancing actress/teacher.................STAY AWAY FROM CHONGQING AND THE WOMEN THERE.
No matter which hotel you go to you will make friends with the staff & think you have great contacts....It's their job, but rest assured they will forget you a week later when the next 400 people that they have also made friends with have gone through.
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Tom it's possible they read "dancing actress" and the list said "Artist" and they used that. Wouldn't be the first time the profile was incorrect.
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Read the bloody profile, is she a graphic designer or a bloody dancing actress/teacher.................STAY AWAY FROM CHONGQING AND THE WOMEN THERE.
No matter which hotel you go to you will make friends with the staff & think you have great contacts....It's their job, but rest assured they will forget you a week later when the next 400 people that they have also made friends with have gone through.
Tiztom, I am wondering about you at the moment. You seem pretty grumpy at the moment. What's going on with you?
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Danny , don't be to hard on Tiztom , he already has the problem of living in W.A .
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Robert, no I wasn't complaining, so I wasn't being hard on him. I just wanted to see if he wanted to talk about it. I live with a teenage daughter. Nothing anyones going to do here is going to teach me anything new about grumpiness *laughs*
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'seems like Tiztom dislikes Chongqing...
(or not)
whatever I would do, anyway, for sure, it's my choice.. I've showed you a profile but haven't contacted her yet (just seen she got so many cupid notes)
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'seems like Tiztom dislikes Chongqing...
(or not)
whatever I would do, anyway, for sure, it's my choice.. I've showed you a profile but haven't contacted her yet (just seen she got so many cupid notes)
I'm wondering whether that's his patch, and he doesn't want you muscling in on it? *laughs*
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Sorry to dissolution you guys but the closest I've been to China was Singapore 20 yrs ago, I "might" be going to Changsha in a couple of months but whether it works or not will be kept to myself. I'm actually a very calm person but it shits me to tears when I read a forum that's more like a bible class than a way of giving an honest opinion, some of the stuff on here is informative which is why I read it and some is purely comical which is even more fun to read, it's nice to encourage someone but do it for the right reasons..... not to make yourself feel all warm and fuzzy inside, if you think someone is being ripped off "drop a hint" or be brutally honest, you might save them a lot of pain later on, these women know exactly what they are doing, I'm sure there are more than several women on here who are out to get as much property and as many engagement rings as they can. Lets face it, a $400 engagement ring can be cleaned & hocked back to the same store for half the price.....win win for both parties.
EDIT, the reason I said for Sylvian to stay away from Chongqing is because all he'll think about is Ting.
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some is purely comical which is even more fun to read
If you're referring to Sylvain's situation here, then we probably have quite different views about the things that make us laugh.
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Tiztom, I have kept quiet about this until now.
If you are going to keep all your things private and do not want to share anything but your opinion, Tell me please, why are you even here? What do you really have to offer this site? Except your "tell it like it is" attitude. You said yourself you havent even been to any part of China in 20 years. So you do not know Chinese women. Are you even involved with one? How many times have you been burned by them to have this type of attitude. You know Tom, I do not necessarily disagree with your basic opinions on some of these things, but your delivery needs a lot of work.
You said sometimes they need a slap in the face. Well, if i slapped you what is your first reaction? Do you start to listen to what i say or do you shut down and get pissed. I would think the latter. And that is my "tell it like it is" opinion.
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Tiztom, I have kept quiet about this until now.
If you are going to keep all your things private and do not want to share anything but your opinion, Tell me please, why are you even here? What do you really have to offer this site? Except your "tell it like it is" attitude. You said yourself you havent even been to any part of China in 20 years. So you do not know Chinese women. Are you even involved with one? How many times have you been burned by them to have this type of attitude. You know Tom, I do not necessarily disagree with your basic opinions on some of these things, but your delivery needs a lot of work.
You said sometimes they need a slap in the face. Well, if i slapped you what is your first reaction? Do you start to listen to what i say or do you shut down and get pissed. I would think the latter. And that is my "tell it like it is" opinion.
Well put Jim!
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Here it is JimBo, never been burned by one, I've had many Chinese friends/neighbors over the years & at least 6 Chinese girls live in my house over the past 5 years but only as boarders..... but I have been involved with 3 Japanese boarders out of a total of probably 30, sort of still with one now but her visa ran out so it's not really going to happen, though we talk on skype every few days. I am involved with one girl in Changsha but I would rather keep her details under my hat so I don't end up looking like a fool or sucker if it doesn't work out, but she seems pretty nice......so far, But trust me, if she tries to rip me off you'll know about it & if we end up marrying in a couple of years I'll also let you know about it, but until I actually meet her face to face the word love will not even remotely come into it, I've set the ground rules on that & we communicate through email & a translator that she has organised nearly every day, I have her mobile number but we only make very short calls because her English is pretty poor, we've talked on webcam on Skype & I have her home address..............all at the cost of 3 EMF's, this is why I am cynical at guys who spend months & months paying to talk to girls only to be ripped off or conned by them or the agencies. I have also got email addresses of 2 other girls who I'm keeping on the back burner through ChnLove ...... & since I joined QQ I have had at least 10 single ladies looking for men contact me, so if I can do it at a grand total of 11 EMF's for contact with 3 ladies privately there is no reason others can't.
Slap me & I'll slap you back if I think you deserve it but if that slap maybe wakes me up then I'll thank you.
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Tom,
At least now we know where you are coming from. I for one appreciate your coming out of the closet so to speak. I do not think anyone wants you to tell anything you are not comfortable with, just letting us know that you are willing to share is important. Most all of us here put our feelings on our sleeves. Some a lot more than others. I have said my piece and you have responded, I think, in a very good manner. Thank you. Really. Like I said before, you make some good points that I agree with and some that i dont, either way your input is helpful.
My point in all of this was the "new guys". If they come here looking for help and put their feelings out there I do not want them to feel that they will get slapped or called foolish and so NOT say anything and either get hurt or ripped off. And bottom line, that is what we are all here for, I believe, is to help these guys as they go along on their difficult journey and get help when we need it. And now i know you know how hard it is at times.
And now I will stop hijacking Sylvains thread. LOL Sorry Sylvain.
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JimB, well.. why so many spams into my threads?? do you all love me? :D
No problem anyway JimB ;)
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Yes Sly ............We all love you :icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin:
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Sylvain when we moved here from the Facebook forum. You were the first I realized didn't show up. I even posted a topic to you "Where's Sylvain" I think I called it, so when members go missing? Yes we notice.
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yeah vince, I remember that thread :)
Thanks again for that ;)
Too many things to do at that time.. Well.. in fact, I realize that, maybe some other brothers, I'm always running agains time when I want to do something.. or time is killing me because too much slow...
So, right now, it is 01:52 am, french hour, sunday.
I then will go sleeping (wishing I won't make someone disappear, just related to Chong's Dreams :D)
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Sylvian.......I'm a huge fan of your posts, I stay out of most but when I think someone needs to be smacked over the head with a wet fish.........I let them have it, I just hate what's happened to you & the fact that you don't seem to .....................ahh never mind.
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Tiz ' (and not Fiz,as a Gin...) well.. ^^
NP, would I say, because I'm not here to blame nor to be blamed, nor to looking for any useless fights without any interests. If I have posted all my previous threads with Ting's letters, it was meant to look for any comments/advices and so on...I knew what I was looking for...
btw, how to say... 'seems like my brain has done an overburn... :D
so... I have nothing special against you nor your comments, nor for anyone else..
but if you don't like my way to be... i won't certainly change it, because I don't you if you would look for any guy in fact, after.... :D (kidding)
You don't have to hate what happened to me, eh just look ^^ I'm alive, do you see me?
*tries to move his hand above a hole*
Iouhouuuuuuu :D
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lol that hole your digging sly is getting deeper vic sends ladder to help sly out ;)
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Haha, thanks Victor.. but I thought I could use that hole like some "bunker" in fact... so that I would have a "nice" view on everything... :D:D:D
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Hahahaha .... that reminds me of the HOLE Hajo dug himself .... and inside his House to boot .
Oh soooo funny .
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Maybe did he think finding any oil inside? ^^
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So, it's almost a good beginning ^^'
I have establised an area round Shangaï and talked to a few ladies via Chnlove.
Actually, there are 4 nice ladies, and one on the 4 who is "bigger" than me.. OMG, it would be "funny", but size does not matter in fact...
well.
So, here are 3 ladies who I am in contact :
P356022
P356089
P206203
GZB273042
Maybe will I try to do a great wall around those 4 ladies and doing my HAREM :D:D:D
(joke)
Well, I have to admit that 2 on 4 are really nice and I would be really glad to meet them in person ^^
Maybe if I can do things correctly, would one of them be my private guide, from Shangaï up to Beijing...
who knows?
do you brothers, think I'm crazy to imagine that? :)
For sure, I would begin by Shangaï.
And as I have 2 week's holidays, that would surely be my last trip up to next year...
but I also did my choice to go there this year :)
Any more news later :)
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The first one P356022 the first thing she says is..."I'm an outgoing sweet girl likes to smile" and yet in 3 photos there is no smile? Very pretty thou.
P356089? Looks like the type? Mmmm is she at work?
P206203? very nice, I feel it might be fake? "walking on the sea beech and my dog.i think the relationship between people emphasizes respect and praise" She can't spell BEACH but can spell - emphasizes respect and praise?
GZB273042 - 5'-10" and a model?
These are all very pretty young women. But they are the women you don't fall for until your face to face.
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well, you just made me laugh about the 2d one :D
for the 1st one, in fact I don't know what to say, but I like the way she is on the pics...
the 3rd one... i didn't write yet, just sent a cupid notes, she replied but I didn't reply yet
and the 4th one, what do you want me to say??? she has all to be a top model, yes, 179 cms, brother !!!
she is bigger than me ! and her weight is quite nice
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Sylvian, you really are your own worst enemy, why not look at divorced lady with a child.....the same as you!
You will not have half the problems you did with the last one, they have usually had a crap marriage to a complete asshole who treated her like dirt so they would welcome a nice guy like yourself with open arms.
No parents forcing them to marry, little in the way of red envelopes & they usually have their own place to live so no problem with visiting etc.
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Very good point Tiz made there. Plus a divorced lady will be more willing to work at a successful relationship. Nobody wants to get shot down a second time.
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Tiz', maybe because I think I could not assume all that?
Ok, a lady divorced knows (maybe) many things about marriage and life , and is surely "mature" by having a baby, but that is not really what I'm lookin' for...
I've been asked what I was lookin' for and that's not in my "criteria"...
Plus, I prefer beginning a relation with someone who is alone at first, than someone with a baby...
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Sly,
I like the tall one. GZB273042 Maybe the, "i looks like a cute cat when i quiet" is code for something special....Here kitty, kitty. Man you French guys can pick 'em. Nous vous souhaitons un bon voyage, AGAIN! :)
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Maybe did he think finding any oil inside? ^^
Hehe, no there was no oil. But I think I reach China soon :icon_biggrin:
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Oh well, your choice but expect more of the same, maybe your aspirations are higher than your capabilities, she may want the same as you, there are plenty of divorced ones out there without children.
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They're all gorgeous. Good luck.
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Lol Danny well back in the 70s i seem to remember the girls wearing veary skimpy ie hot pants and t-shirts tied just below there busts so there was loads of bellys for us young guys to drible over lol.ok guys danny changed his post so my post dont make sence now lol ;)
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Lol Danny well back in the 70s i seem to remember the girls wearing veary skimpy ie hot pants and t-shirts tied just below there busts so there was loads of bellys for us young guys to drible over lol.ok guys danny changed his post so my post dont make sence now lol ;)
Sorry Victor. I thought it would make me sound like a lecherous dog. And that's the truth of the matter. But I thought I would keep people guessing *laughs*
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lol Danny what you like,dont care who it is we all look still ;)
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Nothing wrong in looking guys....:angel::blush::icon_biggrin:
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And another one, but from Guangdong : P558467
She seems (via first emf) to be honest, quite beautiful lady.. nothing to say else...
well..
but she's far away from Shangaï and Beijing..
(I will ask her to come to Shangaï to meet me, just to see how she would react ^^)
for the taller one, she is really tall... well. first emf ok, she seems to be like a model for many things (cars, expos...)
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lol Danny what you like,dont care who it is we all look still ;)
Victor, I have to confess, I am really paranoid at the moment. I asked my woman to marry me and she answered by saying that that is something she wants to do. Of course, I don't really count that as an engagement. When she visits, or I visit her, and we have a long talk about it, and I ask her straight out and she accepts, then it's for real. So that's a long way of explaining how I keep thinking that if I write something dumb here, it will somehow (don't ask me how) it will get back to her there, and it will all be ruined. So completely stupid on my part, and it shows my current mental state *laughs*
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Well, any fresh updates.
It seems one of the ladies (Flora) works in Shangai, and wishes to meet me.
I like the beginning of her letter : "sweetheart".
Well, why not, maybe does the transtor add an extra content...
and she then ask me to know the meaning of that sentence (pinyin), saying after that, if I could find, she would offer me a tiny reward...
here is the sentence :
"ni hen ying jun"
So, I tried to look for most of that words, and I then thought "you are smart" or something like that..
Maybe am I wrong?
Anyway, she says she's working in Shangai, so I asked her if she lived there or not at all, because her profile shows "Guangzhou".
It also seems she'd like to go in France... :D
I will love to go to France if only I can have the chance. I want to see more of the world, especially your world
Well.. why not.
She asked me too my mail adress because she wants to send me some pics of her :)
I will then see how it will be, but I said her that I planned to go to Shangai, so it would be nice to meet her.
I am also in touch with another lady ("Swallow")
I told her that her english name sounded strange to me because of the "first" meaning. She said the name was related in fact to a bird?
Anyway, that lady is quite beautiful, I also told her, and that I would be very glad to meet her, but asked if she lived in Guangzhou and that she could move to Shangai or not, just to see if it could be helpful for me once there or not, and if I would have to check to move on Guangzhou too. I will wait for news from her.
Anyway, I have also changed my desktop background, I really like her picture.
She also like some animations, like me (she first talked about it) and I let her guessing that I would really like to meet her and to speak with her.
I also left a message to a lady in Beijing, a wonderful lady, but as she has many many cupid notes, I can easily guess that most of the men want to be with her. However, I just wrote her a letter, I'll see where it leads.
I would stay there 3-4 days I think.
Jim', I will also contact the lady ;)
Now, I have to see how much I have to have on me when I will move there, because :
- I would go to the "Great Wall"
- I would move from Shangai to Beijing and from Beijing to Shangain (train) (like Arnold's pictures^^)
- I would move from Shangai to Guangzhou and coming back to Shangai.
- I also don't really know if 3000 yans would be enough in fact once there just for 2 weeks (except trains/flights/hotels)
If anyone here has any advice, I am waiting your comments:)
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haha, thanks mpo.
I am a bit "confused" because I would have never thought about a bird ^^
Well, she's like a bird, so :)
Thanks for the links ;)
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It seems that the Swallow will suite you Sylvain because you will be flying around in China just like a bird.
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Peter, I was thinking exactly like you in fact, when Mike told me the meaning of Swallow :)
I know anyway that I won't be lost when moving there :)
Another good "news" is that I looked for any lessons in chinese, and I found a lady who will teach me chinese directly at home, 2 hours per week, for 30 € (~42$)
Just because I need to improve in talking, and that will be a very good thing just before moving once again in China.
By the way...
I'm just thinkin' about "Shangai Kid" :D
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Slyvain, When I read her name was "Swallow" I almost chocked on my coffee. This might be the reason she has so many cupids?
You need to use a different word then "Move" (when I will move there). The word is "Visit". I will visit Shanghai.
The words almost mean the same but "move" means more of a permanent, and visit is temporary. China Shark MOVED to China. You went for a VISIT. Just some not knowing might think you are moving there leaving France permanent.
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:D Vince, in fact, this lady had not so many cupid notes, the one who I said had many cupid notes is from Beijing, her name Cecilia An (P356042)
and then you can easily understand why she is so much "busy" :D
About Swallow (her real name is Liyan, so), I apologize because of my first thought about her english name, too.
Oh, by the way, thanks for helpin' me with the correct words to use :)
So, I will visit Shangai, Beijing, and surely Guangzhou.
I saw a good price : 738$ (Paris - Shangai), it seems to be a good price. But actually, there is a problem with the server, I can't book the flight. I have checked for other ones, it's the same....
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Now, I have to see how much I have to have on me when I will move there, because :
- I would go to the "Great Wall"
- I would move from Shangai to Beijing and from Beijing to Shangain (train) (like Arnold's pictures^^)
- I would move from Shangai to Guangzhou and coming back to Shangai.
- I also don't really know if 3000 yans would be enough in fact once there just for 2 weeks (except trains/flights/hotels)
If anyone here has any advice, I am waiting your comments:)
Sly , you know that sound's like too much of Traveling for a two week Visit , even when you are Flying each time .
By Train it's ten hour's Shanghai to Bejing X 2 , Shanghai to Guangzhou is about 12 hour's X 2 . I would only do two Cities at most if I was you . But that's me , only trying to suggest not to have too much on your Hands.:icon_cheesygrin:
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In fact, that is the "problem", would I say, somewhere.
Because Shangaï is near Beijing but not near Guangzhou.
And most of the ladies I contacted are from Shangaï or Guangzhou.
And as I would like to visit "The great Wall" and that Jim's contact is in Beijing (so is another lady too).. i got "choice"...
However..
I found a flight for 558 € (fees included), so, that's alwayd a good price. (Paris Shangai)
Now I have to look and know if I would better go to Beijing or to Guangzhou, once I'll be in Shangai.
I thought spending 4-5 days in Beijing
or 4-5 days in Guangzhou,
and the other days in Shangai.
But all that is to be "checked" again
How much does it cost, approximatively, train for Shangai - Beijing?
And for the greal wall, (just to have an idea) :)
because I don't remember if anyone told me about that or not :$
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The D-Train ticket SH to Beijing ( 1st class ) is 880 yuan for two - one way .
To see the great Wall of Simatai and get a Tour of Beijing was 700 yuan for all day ( I have the Tourguide's number if you want it )
My Hotel was in the second ring ( $ 50 a night ) , but that will be your choice .
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Thanks for those precious infos, Arnold :)
About the tourguide's number, for sure, I will take it because it will be useful, even if I won't go there in September but next year :)
D train : 880 yuans for 2 - 1 way?
I'm sorry but I don't really understand. 2 persons, one way? so, 1760 yuans for 2 persons, to move from Shangai to Beijing and from Beijing to Shangai?
What about the second ring in fact?
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so, 1760 yuans for 2 persons, to move from Shangai to Beijing and from Beijing to Shangai?
That is correct Sly .
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ok, so, that could be a nice trip to do :)
just to find the lady who would accompany :)
thanks again :)
*seeks around Shanghai for a new suitable lady*
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GZ is a heck of a long distance from BJ and if you are going in September is likely to be still in the monsoon season - I'd recommend further north.
Also from a tourist perspective - GZ is a bit of a dump , air quality is horrible, far worse than BJ and the city is very dirty (from the pollution - the green building nets are a brownish black black..never saw that anywhere else before and even new buildings look filthy from the pollution)) and littered and run down compared to BJ. Food in GZ is fantastic though, that goes without question and the local girls are lovely.
Maybe with the Asian games coming up GZ has been cleaned up a bit, but IMHO its an impossible task.
I was only one day in BJ last time and it was far far far cleaner than GZ and the air was noticeably better. That was in early March, maybe its different at this time of year, but i doubt it.
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Irish', thanks for your comment which I really appreciate.
For sure, I know nothing actually about GZ, only 2 3 ladies who I contacted recently, but that's all.
About BJ, I think there can be no difference.
However, i notice that I'm not so far away from HK, too, but about the visa, I think I should do something if I had to move over there.
Well...
Knowin' that it's my last trip before next year, maybe would it be better to move to BJ this year and GZ next year...
One of the ladies (Flora) work in Shanghai, but the other one (Swallow), I don't know but she'll tell me soon.
I'll see what to visit too and being busy each day :)
and checking for any hotel too.
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HK is amazing, as soon as you cross the border (i got the bullet train from GZ to HK) you instantly notice the cleanliness, the fact that the subway/metro /underground change over make sense -> In GZ there are several lines with zero integration or planning from what i can make out you always have to walk for KM's as you try to figure out what line is linking to what on what level, In HK you arrive at one platform and the other line is the on the other..its smooth and well thought out. Everyone is fatter in HK too haha!
There is far less pollution and the roads are fairly quiet - the first thing I noticed in GZ airport was the drivers outside sitting on their car horns. GZ driving is insane, thats it...TS is worse though Chonger is there and can probably testify haha!
HK is pretty clean and well run, the supermarkets are very western compared to GZ -->> there are no live fish swimming around in tanks for you to chose for your delectation, , the rice comes in bags rather than heaps , similarly with mushrooms and various flavourings. The vegetables and fruit do not look like cast ofs and look like they may be safe to eat unwashed, but i wouldn't tempt that! (here its illegal to see fruit or veg not safe for eating as is).
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The same in France too, about your last sentence related to fruits and veg', Irish';)
About GZ driving, I don't know how it is, but I can guarantee that most of CKG taxi drivers are most drivers than taxis :D, always horning and speeding, running left, right, right, left, horning, horning.. and so on.. (good memories :D)
I'm gonna checkin' in a book what to visit and see how things will evolve with the few ladies I contacted :)
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Any news to say that actually, there's... nothing new... :D
Except that since 2 days, no any news from any lady from Shanghai... :huh:
Well, I got a "remark" on a letter sent to a lady, saying me "we have sent the letter to the lady, we're actually waiting for her reply, please wait..."
I would say "it is a bit strange and funny" because most of ladies who I write are from Shanghai but no reply, so, since 2 days. And I got today 2 letters from 2 ladies, but who are not from Shanghai...
WTF, would I say.
Maybe is it just "hazard"...
Well, except that "detail", i'm looking at many places I could visit in Shanghai and maybe around.
Any more news to come later.
Zai jian :)
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Hi there.
Any more news since the last time I have posted over here.
So, my trip is always confirmed, now I have just booked a hotel in Shanghai, including breakfast, internet connexion and many other things that would be "well liked" :)
Right now, it seems one of the ladies who I am in contact with, will come to get me at the airport when I'll arrive in Shanghai, in less than 2 months.
I have readed that there are really many things to do in Shanghai, and many places to visit, too.
Maybe will I not go to Beijing, maybe will it be next year, well, I'll see.
I still didn't find my suitable lady via chnlove, plus, I'm actually "blocked" just because I don't have anymore credits and that Paypal doesn't want to show me the link where to "buy" Chnlove's credits, it also refers to a link which asks me to confirm my bank and many other things... I also have seen that Paypal is on maintenance, so I will see tomorrow if the problem is still here or not.
I'm still in contact with 5 ladies, 2 from Shanghai, and 3 from Guangzhou (one of them also works in Shanghai).
The "choice" is also "delicate" because each of them has many qualities...but I just feel cautious a bit because of my first trip. By the way, I think that I need to be there ASAP just to confirm who could be my suitable one, or maybe will I see it in the following days.. who knows?
I gonna do my visa in the following days too, and create an english blog which will better describe my activities in Shanghai in less than ... 2 months :)
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Sly , you had your Hand's full with ONE Lady on your last Trip . How are you going to handle five ? You better off , narrowing it down to say two at the most . One almost drove you cracy , five will do more than that .:icon_cheesygrin:
I'm just wishing you the best , no matter what you decide ... I'm behind you 10 % . Hehehe
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In fact, I'd like to meet 2 of the ladies because they seem to be really honest, plus, they sent me pictures of them via mail and I also talk with one of them on QQ sometimes. But this one is in Guangzhou... and the other one lives in Guangzhou but works in Shanghai. so, I'll see how things will evolve once I'll be in Shanghai.
There is another lady who is really cute, she said she'd come to the airport to see me, well, I ask to see if that will really happen ^^
In fact, I admit I have more things to share with the 2 ladies (from Guangzhou and one of them works in Shanghai) than the other ones...
The following days should confirm all that and help to say who will be my suitable one :)
by the way, my chinese teacher talked to her mother (who is in Nanjing) about me, and her mother told her she knew a woman, a real nice one, 29 years old, who was looking for a boyfriend, but without any real "criteria". She also said she would be glad to meet me once I'll be in Shanghai and that she probably could help me to visit some nice places (I think she could be "like" a "sister") if nothing happens between us. She sent me a picture and let me her QQ, she doesn't speak english. and nothing is related to Chnlove with her, she's not from any agency :)
Well, I'll tell some more later, I need to sleep again a bit some more ^^
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Sly thats what I am gonna call you. Haha. Good luck with all these women man. I hope you can find your real love during your trip. You have one hell of a trip planned. Live it up brother. This is how I would have done it if I never met my Xu Le. Good Luck and have fun.
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Thanks, Josh :)
Well, I think my trip is on a good way for meeting the Only One.
Since 2 days, I am talking on QQ with Liyan, she's a very nice woman, even beautiful one.
I sent her a cupid notes a few weeks ago and since before yesterday, we spent more than 15 hours on QQ. Should I say she's the only one who I talked to so in such a few days but such many hours? She has nothing to be compared to Ting, for sure.
She is really nice with me, she likes smiling, I even can make her laughing at loud with some little jokes or stories about me. She also showed my that her desktop background on her phone was... my daughter's picture :) I really like it, even if, as she says, we are 2 different persons.
I have to admit she just is so sweet with me, she sent me many pictures of her, my mailbox was just "spammed" with all her pictures but for sure, you can guess how happy I am to see all that she can share with me. Plus, she wrote me today a little mail, saying "Dear, I just come back home, I will wait for you".
So nice.
I have to say too that we talked about Chnlove and the agency, and she agrees that we are "safe", far away from them :) they don't have to know what we're doing and when we're planning to see each other.
Well... it is a nice story which is beginning.
Even if...
She lives in Guangzhou, or better should I say, 30 mins from there by car...
So, it is not really what I would have "better" liked... but as I would say, sometimes, things are not really where you would like it to be. She also knows I will go to Shanghai.
I told her that, for sure, by now, because there are many things we can share and because we need to see each other, I will go and visit Guangzhou. I remember your advice, Irish', for sure. You told me that Beijing was better and that it would be too warm in Guangzhou and because of the pollution too.
Well, I would say it is a little "dilemnia" but I think anyway SHE's really the One I have to see most of time I would be in China.
By the way, she told me about Asian Games in Guangzhou in November 2010. And, for sure, I'd like to go there. Or maybe to the EXPO in Shanghai... well... too many things to do !! :)
Any more news to come soon.
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Sly by the way you talk Liyan is a catch! She seams like a very happy girl that is very interested in you. I mean she has pictures of your daughter everywhere. The little e-mails are nice to. So Guangzhou sounds like the place to be. I hope things between you and Liyan really blossom into something special. So what is the latest update?
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Sly you know I'm a friend...please take your time and enjoy this lady:icon_biggrin:
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Small update is that Liyan is really a nice lady.
She sends me pictures about her every day, so when I get up, OOOP's, I got some pictures from her :)
She also talks to me on QQ between 10:00 pm up to 12:00 pm, and she likes kidding me.
Recent kidding : "oh, I got a question : why is your computer open, behind you?" and when I just looked behind me, I saw she could see my other computer, opened and I tried to say her it was easier to place harddrives and many other things when I let my computer opened, and she just replied "oh, it's man's habit ? :icon_cheesygrin:"
For sure, there are always many other things she really likes talking with me.
She is also cautious about love because she wants to find the right one for her, and she told to me that since we speak together, she is always happy (and for sure, I can see her smile each day on webcam) :)
I also have booked the hotel in Shanghai, but I will see how to proceed about Guangzhou (she also told me she could be able to kidnap me once I'll be there, so I will see how it will be :icon_cheesygrin:)
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Good luck Sly, it is looking good from Guangzhou :icon_biggrin:
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Yop Michael, even if I don't know how many days I'd stay in Guangzhou, I'll know it once there :)
I know anyway that for the 2 first days, I'll stay in Shanghai and meet any other contacts.
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Sly... And who´s going to pay the ransom if she really kidnaps you?!! Say the brotherhood?!!!!
Great news, but just a question, i am a bit curious, how got you Liyan so fast away the agency to talk with you on QQ? Are you still writing EMFs?
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Darius, if anyone would had to pay any ransom, I just don't know who to ask for :D
About getting Liyan so far away from the agency, in fact, she told me that she didn't really like the agency (I did not really want to know why, maybe did she have any bad experience with it in her past, but, as it could be in her past, it's her past, it is not now, so I let it out...).
I replied her anyway that it was thanks to CHNLOVE that we knew each other and that we could speak together. She agreed with a smile.
I also told her that if she was ok with it, we could keep contact via QQ and via mails, because we already know each's other QQ Id and our mail adress, and that it could be anyway good to save money about the EMF's. She just totally agreed and said that yes, for sure, we could stay away from the agency. So, everyday we write a little mail to each other, even if just one or two sentences, any pictures and that's all, and QQ later in the evening.
I remember, too, when I asked her if she wanted to webcam with me, she replied "no, sorry I don't have", i then told her that I had a webcam so she could see me, she then said "please wait".. and finally she got one ^^ maybe was she too shy at first to see me on QQ and to talk with me.
What I can say anyway is that she really seems to be a honest lady and is really happy when we speak together :)
It is also a good thing. Up to now, her agency didn't write me, asking any news and so on. So, it's ok.
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Well done Sylvain , she does sound lovely , and has her head screwed on correctly , and doesn't cam make it so much better , does your french connection still work at the Hilton in ChongQing as I will be there from next Friday / 14th August , regards Robert .
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Hi there, Robert;)
About my french connection in Chongqing's Hilton, I think she's still there, I'll write her a mail tonight, so I'll tell it back to you tomorrow or whenever I've any news from her ;)
I also remember one of the working men there, who names Oliver.
And about webcam, for sure, it is too nice to be able to see the other one "cam to cam" and to be able to share any nice moments with her.
I think anyway i'll write to the other women in Shanghai, because even if they first sent me a first mail, I had no reply to the ones I sent them, so... I'm thinking about Nad's thread, relating the story with the lady who he is in contact with. Maybe does the agency try to make some money... maybe not. But I'm sure I won't use many EMF's until they don't reply my mails and "prefer" replying the EMF's...
Even if it's difficult for them to connect on any computer easily, if they could send me a mail, they also can send any second one.
Even if they would not reply to my mails, I then will not reply to their letters. That's all simple.
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Any little but nice update with Liyan :)
We've been talking 2 hours again today via webcam. She also is always happy to see me and enjoys talking with me about many things.
So, today, we talked about spending some times together.
Just try to imagine, I was seeing her counting on her fingers, and saying me :
"how long you want be Guangzhou?"
For sure, I didn't really know, I then replied "2, 3 days... "then I did the number 10 with my fingers, and she then laughed.
So, we talked about fixing dates, and we finally choosed from 28th (at night) September up to 03rd October, at morning.
It is also some 6 days together :) and my flight to come back France is at 11:00 pm from Shanghai. I will also have to check for any flight from Guangzhou to Shanghaï, and then wait to have the other flight, from Shanghai, to Paris.
What else to say?
She just said she could book the hotel in Guangzhou.
I was amazed, for sure, because I've never seen that up to now with any other chinese lady.
We spoke about the room, many other things, well, in fact, she said that she could live with me in Guangzhou for six days, no problem about it, with a nice smile to go with her sentence. (what a pleasure, having a webcam to see it ^^)
She watched on a website but her price was more expensive than what I could have checked, about the Holiday Inn. It is also her first idea.
I said that I could check tonight for other hotels and then talking with her tomorrow and see what she can think about my choices, because the Holiday Inn is quite nice, for sure, but I prefer we save some money and being in any good hotel, and being able to do some visits and any other things :)
She also agreed with it.
So, now, I have to see with the hotel in Shanghai where I have booked for 13 nights before she talked to me about Guangzhou, and seeing how I can just cancel a part of the date that I'll be there, without losing all my money about the booking.
This lady is really amazing, for sure. I really don't know how to explain it... too many differences from my previous experience, and I then can understand many other Brothers here, saying that their women could also had booked any hotel for them.
Well.
I just think she's really THE ONE I need to see.
I'm just asking myself how will she do to be with me in Guangzhou for 6 days, if she doesn't work there everyday?
Well, I'll ask her tomorrow about it.
So, now, I better know what to do for 6 days once I'll be back in China :)
Oh !!!
BTW, she also gave me a chinese name :
?? (tang wen)
Meaning : Knowledge? (the man with knowledge, maybe)
I'm also happy she gave me that name. She was almost happy I liked it :)
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Hi !
Hope this works out.
May i suggest for you to check out hotels located on Shamian Island. A nice quiet place to stay while you in Guangzhou. You can sit outdoor and have a meal watching the river.
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Eh, daghoi, thanks for the info ;)
I was in fact looking at a hotel, like this one :
Henry Business Hotel
No 26 Baohua Road
Huadu District
there is in fact a nice room which could be "well appropriated" if things would really be on this way.
anyway, Liyan was thinking about the holiday inn (Shifu).
but I will consider your proposition and we'll talk about it with Liyan ;)
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Sly thats a good sign if she has given you a Chinese name I think.
My Chinese name is Bo Wen, this means 'Deeply Gentle':angel:
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Any little but nice update with Liyan :)
We've been talking 2 hours again today via webcam. She also is always happy to see me and enjoys talking with me about many things.
So, today, we talked about spending some times together.
Just try to imagine, I was seeing her counting on her fingers, and saying me :
"how long you want be Guangzhou?"
For sure, I didn't really know, I then replied "2, 3 days... "then I did the number 10 with my fingers, and she then laughed.
So, we talked about fixing dates, and we finally choosed from 28th (at night) September up to 03rd October, at morning.
It is also some 6 days together :) and my flight to come back France is at 11:00 pm from Shanghai. I will also have to check for any flight from Guangzhou to Shanghaï, and then wait to have the other flight, from Shanghai, to Paris.
What else to say?
She just said she could book the hotel in Guangzhou.
I was amazed, for sure, because I've never seen that up to now with any other chinese lady.
We spoke about the room, many other things, well, in fact, she said that she could live with me in Guangzhou for six days, no problem about it, with a nice smile to go with her sentence. (what a pleasure, having a webcam to see it ^^)
Sly, forgive me for an observation that might be off course, take the meat (if any) and throw away the bones. You seem to be a glutten for punishment. I think back on all of your gyrations over Ting. You have a knack for wanting to row upstream against the current. Finally you shook that obsession and now you are on what appears to be cosmic meeting with someone who you've really connnected with. But still (at least as it appears to me), you are obsessed with Shanghai and meeting ladies there.
Can you not organize your trip so that you spend the first part in Ghanzhou. If that goes well, cancel the Shanghai part of the trip. Why put yourself in a position of flying away and leaving someone you hate to leave? The first three days will tell you if it is worth continuing on. I know it may be expensive to change tickets, hotels etc. But why on earth would you want to be stuck in Shanghai wishing you weren't.
I know the lady in Ghangzhou may seem all too easy for you, given your relentless pursuit of Ting. But WTH, it seems wonderful this one is sooooooo easy. That may all change when you meet and "live with her" for six days. But if it is the real deal and you leave her standing in tears at the GZ airport, you may be a candidate for the Dumbass Award.
I may be wrong about your train of thought. If so, most, if not all of this is unnecessary.
I admire your courage and your openness. Old southern (American) proverb: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". If she is the real deal, take it and run with it. It doesn't have to be unbelievably complicated to be good.
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Well, Skip, I was thinking a bit about spending the first part in Gz with Liyan, but I did not really think about it directly, when we talked about spending some time there. I don't know in fact if she will take some holidays to be with me, if she also works in Gz or not at all...
there are some "details" we have to talk about, and so, maybe would it be good to go there at first, for sure. But anyway,I want to spend 2 3 days in Shanghai and visit many places, and also seing 1 or 2 ladies there, even if for now, they just would be some "good friends"...
Even if Liyan chosed the date to meet, I didn't contest, thinking that maybe she would be busy before. Well, it is "again" something I'll talk to her ;)
Scottish', thanks for your comment, too :)
I gonna tell me that being called Tang wen is also nice :)
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This is the sort of mail that I always dislike reading, because of such meanings :
From Liyan :
"I have a bad day.I will tell you at night"
Maybe no need to worry so much.. maybe yes...
Just waiting a few hours before knowing what it deals about...
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Im with skip on this one sly leaving someone you hate to leave lo,l are sly likes doing it the hard way but it would not be are sly if he did not hehe anyways bud what eaver you deside to do i wish you all the luck in the world but dont get your self all tryed up in knots agen sly keep that thinking head on this time ;)
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From what I've learned, I think that being cautious is really useful.
And I got again the prove...
Today I've been talking to Liyan so on QQ (with webcam); she was worried because she had a bad day (in fact she told me on QQ that it was because of her working computer, she lost data on her harddrive C and that one of her friends had to reinstall Windows XP)
I said her that she could restore data, even if the harddrive was reformated, and she told me that, plus, she didn't have any backup of her data...
Well, I said she could use any softwares to restore her data, like Ontrack Easy Recovery, there is also Phoenix Fat & NTFS, and maybe some other ones...
she smiled because she saw I tried to help her, even if too late, but I said to talk to her colleague tomorrow and that he may could see about the softwares I was talking about...
We then change about any other topic, and we talked about the two of us. I asked her so, how would react her parents about me if something had to happen between her and me (love), and she said that they surely would worry at first because of many things (culture, for example)... I then told my opinion about it, she was happy that I tried to argue... even if she said that whatever she would like to like or love someone, her parents would support her.
I then asked another question, asking if she would be ok to let me post here any picture from her, and talking a bit about this forum. She then said "isn't it", as I understood like a "why not"... and I then replied "I would prefer "yes" or "no" please, because it is important enough, I think"... She then said "I must thinking about it, it is too quick for me"...
Then... I felt like having back a ticket for a rollercoaster...:-/
She told me that she had warm feelings for me but because she is cautious, she prefers being sure about it, and to give her 5 days to see if she really loves me (even if she prays for September to come quick...)
I then felt a bit sad (for sure, man, who would then smile a lot...) and, as we were cam to cam, she saw that I was sad; I just replied to her "sorry that some western men can not really hide their feelings..." and she was worried and sad because of it...because she saw that what she said affected me, and she would have preferred not telling that... but what was done, was done, right?
I just would had shut off that F....G computer and QQ and go away to distress... but she talked to me, saying that since she knew me and that we chatted on QQ, she was really happy, she didn't want me to leave her (blabla... blabla... blabla...), that there was nobody else, that if she didn't like me, she then would had no time to talk with me and that she would not leave me too.
I asked her "why five days?" and she replied, because she needed time to be sure about her feelings, because some past experiences. I then replied to her that, because my past was also bad per moments, man didn't have to live with it but to project in future... because man is building his future, not his past... she also smiled and agreed with that.
I also made her smiling many times since the beginning of that discussion, but at first, she felt really sad (because of her lost data...)
I then told her that in China, man doesn't have to promise anything if he can't do it later... I was talking about the hotel she talked to me yesterday. She felt a bit worried about it and I also told her that maybe would we consider about it later...
I also told her it was not really "necessary to talk about any other questions, because the hotel was listed inside one of them". She then wanted to know, I then replied that I've seen some hotels so in GZ and that there was one suite but it was for lovers (honeymoon) and that the price was really attractive...
she smiled, once again and seemed to be happy to read it...
and I added (but there is only one bed...:-/ I promise I won't snore) and she laughed at loud...
She then said that I could book that hotel if I wanted.
Of course, I said "no I will not, I prefer you do it when you will be sure enough about your feelings for me", and she then smiled and say "ok".
Well...
Skip, you may will better understand now why I will keep the other hotel in Shanghai and why I would also see the other ladies ? Because I don't know what could happen at any moment, and then, I also can a Plan B.
I would also "give up" about that relation because I don't really understand her way to be... (yesterday she talked she was going to book the hotel, today she didn't and tonight, she was still thinking about it) Maybe is it related to the fact she couldn't book from her working computer... (just go over there and try to guess if that's the truth)...
Well...
So, by now, I have a ticket for a 5 day's rollercoaster with Liyan...
But because of many things and her way to be (I also understand her position quite well), I say myself that I have to wait those 5 [censured] days to know what would be at the end of it...
However, and because Liyan seems to be really honest, that's why I believe in that "waiting for a good reason"...and if not, then, for sure... GTH :icon_evil:
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For sure, I'll show her she's the One I wish to be with.
She already knows it.
I'll be surely talking to her for those 5 days, looking at her so many times and saying that I really likes many things in her, like her eyes...
Even today she told me again "but I'm not beautiful, only my pictures are"...
I then was a bit "disappointed" and sent her any pictures I got from her via cam (thanks the tool via QQ, useful ;) )
I then told her : "now look the pictures, to me, you look beautiful, and this is original pictures, cam to cam, so in real life you may look more like this and I like those pictures"
she then became shy and understood my point of view about all that.
Go with the flow?
Not really, sorry... I know "gone with the wind" but I doubt it is the same meaning :D
(sorry... need to smile a bit)
EDIT :
Maybe do you want to say "let it be and then you will see", in fact?
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Mike your so right its called going with the flow geez sly give her a chance i mean how long has it been since you started talking to her a few weeks,talking about feelings and love im sorry how can you have such feelings all ready,ok say you to got on like a house on fire you still would not know if both of you really loved each other untill you met slow down sly whats the hurry ?.
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Mike your so right its called going with the flow geez sly give her a chance i mean how long has it been since you started talking to her a few weeks,talking about feelings and love im sorry how can you have such feelings all ready,ok say you to got on like a house on fire you still would not know if both of you really loved each other untill you met slow down sly whats the hurry ?.
Just wait. I never told her I loved her, and I will certainly not tell her anything like that without being sure enough...
For sure, we talked about feelings and man can easily understand that there are feelings to be "shared", but to me, and I do really think it, this is more like a simple discussion, everyday, that I have with Liyan. There are strong feelings, even if we talk together less than 1 month. Ok it's really quick... eh... I didn't mean to take any Concorde concerning our feelings... meaning that I didn't ask for it to be like it is actually...
Now, I will just wait for her to be sure about her feelings; she also told me she had warm feelings for me and that she wanted September to come quickly; just guess too that I never forced her to tell me her feelings and so on. I just asked a question about her parents if there would be something to happen... there is an "if", not a "there will be"...
I think I'm not to blame about that, nor that she has to be, too.
I just asked too about her picture, if I could put it in here... meaning for sure, I would believe in any relationship with her...
Well, what do you want me to say more? I just don't know what to say else...
I just gonna think I did something wrong and that I'm being blamed about something I don't understand where and how I could have "done" it...
Well...
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Skip, you may will better understand now why I will keep the other hotel in Shanghai and why I would also see the other ladies ? Because I don't know what could happen at any moment, and then, I also can a Plan B.
I would also "give up" about that relation because I don't really understand her way to be... (yesterday she talked she was going to book the hotel, today she didn't and tonight, she was still thinking about it) Maybe is it related to the fact she couldn't book from her working computer... (just go over there and try to guess if that's the truth)...
Sly,
I am older than you—significantly. I am probably not as courageous or as up front. Those are qualities that I respect in you. I have a maxim about women (and my son’s mother is French—we were married for six years). So, I am an intercontinental loser.:icon_cheesygrin: The maxim is, “A gentleman only goes where he is invited”.
You have just proposed that the lady from GZ be in love with you and that she be prepared to sleep with you. That’s a hand full, no pun intended. :fi_lone_ranger: My observation and it is only mine: SHE IS DEALING TOTALLY HONORABLY WITH YOU. Behavior you never got from T. Sure, she is restrained. You have spent no face to face time with her. You could be a famous French serial killer as far as she knows. Asking for some time is respectful of you. She likely doesn’t want to risk hurting your feelings—or hers. To me, that means she cares for your feelings. That, I believe is healthy. Sure she may have been self absorbed because of her computer. But that seemed to quickly wane when she sensed your response.
My earlier point is (was) you are far enough down the path with her to risk attending to her and only her. She is actually doing you a favor by exercising some self control. My encouragement: be patient—something I struggle with. You are a risk taker. She is only slightly less of one.
Your friend,
Skip
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Skip, in fact, I quite understand what you're saying to me, sorry if I may "reply" promptly and in any way that might not be "really good". Or yes, but I think all's ok :)
by the way, I like the maxim you told and I really approve it.
About Liyan, in fact, she was first to talk about hotel but she talked about 2 rooms. I said that it might be expensive, (she also first chosed Holiday Inn and just for one room it was more than 280$ one week, so I thought that maybe one room would be better, with 2 beds.
By reading your reply, I forgot to think about the fact that, for sure, she doesn't know about me since many months and so on, and that she also doesn't know how I can be in real.
(what a luck I'm not a serial Killer, just a cereals' one... :D)
I understand too that she can care for me (as she said "I could careless say "I love you"), but showed many times how happy she was to know me.
I do then say myself that there is no reason that in real, it would not go on that way. I am what I am, if I could make her laugh at loud via QQ, I will also do the same in face to face.
For sure, she asked me some times about feelings and I totally agree with it. I think I maybe was "too fast in any suggestion about her and me", even if I already know that she really likes me.
Today, this morning in fact, she also sent me some more pictures about her city and one picture with some friends and her on it, with a little word to accompany :) it is also really nice from her :)
I just think again that there is nothing to compare about Ting.. too much different, and maybe, like an "opposite way", but I also really like how Liyan is and understand she can be cautious.
So, I will wait.
Many thanks about your reply again, Skip ;)
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I think she is being honest and truthful with you. This is good. It was months before my lady and I felt we were to be together. With all that had been said and felt almost a year later we still are waiting to meet before we know for sure. So your lady telling you she needs time is a good thing because she is not leading you to think she is when she is not.
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Thanks about your comment, Vince :) I do agree on that way, too, she really seems to be honest, so it is a very good thing.
Well, in a few moments, she should be on QQ and we then will talk a while.
Let's see how it will be:)
I wish you and your lady that all'd be as it is via QQ when you'll meet each other :)
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Any more news about the situation with Liyan.
Well.. I would say there is like a habit, every night, for 1h30 - 2 hours, we are on QQ. As her stereo jack is out of order, she can't hear me on the microphone, but it's also a good thing (no need to sing :D)
She's making real efforts to speak with me in english... but when I do her some "compliments" about that and anything else, she just smiles, nothing else... even a "xiexie"... but it doesn't matter.
I try to write her in chinese but it's really difficult... not really difficult because I can use google translator or any other website... but because I can not remember the ideograms and write it without translating english to chinese.
We've been talking about her parents. traditional ones...
I just quickly was :-/ and Liyan told me that they were not really old traditional ones. I was a bit sceptik about that, but why not?
She said that if her parents could see she was happy with me, they would like me... (it just sounds "normal"...) but it also sounds like some déjà vu...
Well, I then told her that I could wait any longer about her feelings. At first, she didn't really understand, and then, I replied, meaning that I could wait even 10 more days, or more, or less, there was no problem. She then thanked me, saying that she really wanted the "face to face" because it is really that which will say if there would any yes or any no...
For sure, I really agree with her and like that way to be.
She also told me she has her sister at home for the weekend, and so that she spoke to her sister about me. I also saw her sister quickly on QQ (but she was shy, so she left 2 secs after having said a little "hello" to the cam)...it was nice of her to say me hello, anyway.
She sent me any more pictures and I also sent her some...
Today, it seemed a bit "strange"... I don't really know how to explain. But I'll try.
Everyday she is nice, she is happy and so on, today she just was like "tired", and not really fine.
First question that I asked her was "ni hao ma?", and the reply was a "yes"...
Well, she never replied like that, so I just doubt for a few seconds she had her QQ number hacked...
no any other reply from her, just a smile and that's all.
But after 2 mins, she faced the cam, so it was sure that it was her...
We talked about September... there was like some misunderstandings, because she asked if I always was going to Shanghai or not, and I replied that yes, but that I could go to Guangzhou later. It seemed she replied something like "don't worry, don't come, I maybe will just have a few days in Guangzhou..."
Well, because of it, I translated and I didn't really understand.. I then become "sad/angry" but no way to hide it... I then asked her if she did not want to see me, she then said "no no, I will handle"...
She also told me that she has asked her company if she could have some days in September to see me, and she said that she would get the reply on .... Tuesday...
The famous tuesday.
Because she also will know if she can have some free days to be with me in Guangzhou and maybe would she tell me anything else... but as I told her, she doesn't need to hurry about that.
She also talked about hotels in Guangzhou, she'd like to be in the city and the ones she sees are like som Holiday Inn 4* and she says it is too expensive.
I then tried to look for cheaper ones, I then found some but as I told her, first, waiting for the reply of the company, then, booking the hotel.
She told me too that she would like to go away of the agency but she has a contract, she paid 3000 rmbs and doesn't know what will happen if she choses to delete all her data on her profile on Chnlove... She also doesn't know what will happen to the 3000 rmb's.
I sent her some "important pics" about me and my childhood, writting that she was the only one to see some of it... Well...
It was as she might has been as cold as ice.. Not even a smile, not even a thanks...
I also sent her a picture about my daughter, and then, she smiled... wtf :huh:
Sometimes, I do say myself that it is really difficult to understand that way to be.. But I go on with it, anyway.
One thing I have noticed is that she is jealous. I told her about an admirer (I never readed her letter) who lives in the same city as her, and who had the same clothes (referring to another topic here, in fact) : Clothes (http://www.chnlove.info/showthread.php?tid=774)
and she said that I had any admirer, it was nice... I had to tell her 2 times I never wrote to that lady before and that I would never do... well.. she then said she trusted me but I'm not really convinced for now about that.
However, I still like having some QQ sessions with her at night, even if I sometimes would be in China.
Maybe any other news on Tuesday
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Hi there, Brothers.
First, sorry to not have been over here those last times, but as I was on holidays with my daughter and with my family, I was "busy" most of time.
Since I've been back to work, lot of work has come, too, and it became a bit difficult to connect.
But anyway, I'm still alive and still ready to go in China in less than 2 weeks :)
All should be ok before Friday, because tonight I will go and do my visa to go there. (less than 3 days to do it via an agency)
I still will go in Shanghai and in Guangzhou. Nothing has changed :)
I will read more about all things that have been posted here, tonight. I'm still at work actually ;)
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Hi there, Brothers.
First, sorry to not have been over here those last times, but as I was on holidays with my daughter and with my family, I was "busy" most of time.
Since I've been back to work, lot of work has come, too, and it became a bit difficult to connect.
But anyway, I'm still alive and still ready to go in China in less than 2 weeks :)
All should be ok before Friday, because tonight I will go and do my visa to go there. (less than 3 days to do it via an agency)
I still will go in Shanghai and in Guangzhou. Nothing has changed :)
I will read more about all things that have been posted here, tonight. I'm still at work actually ;)
Have fun on your trip bro! Maybe, this time...you will have those desired effects!:icon_cheesygrin:
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Guy's , I will be in Shanghai and GuangZhou at the same time as Sly . So , I will make sure the last trip will not be repeated . :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Just kidding Sly , I really hope we have a chance to meet up in either of those two Cities . If not , have a great Trip and let this be the one you'll find your Girl .
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Sly welcome back my friend..
Hope you really enjoy your trip, make sur that 'arnold' buys you a drink mate...A nice bottle of Brandy....lol
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Heck , if he finally finds Miss Right , I'll pop a Cork of some French Champagne with him . Remember I also have a reason to celebrate on this Trip .
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Good to see you back Sy.
Hope the holiday was great and good luck on the second holiday :)
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Best of luck in GZ Sylvain, try to do the Pearl river cruise one night with your lady..if there's one thing worth doing in GZ that really romantic thats it imho.
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Best of Luck to you Sly, and I do believe that just in case of anything your unprepared for it would be a good idea to have Gov Arnold handy for quick assistance, but really hope you have a wonderful time and that this time you do find your lady love for real
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Hi there, and many thanks for all your comments ^^'
It seems that yes, I will have to meet Arnold there, whatever it would be in Shanghai or Guangzhou :)
I just can know it will be a really nice moment, the first meeting with one Brother.
I think we could drink some Champagne because of so many things ^^'
My holidays in South of France were really nice, it is just so nice to spend some time with our children and to have fun with them :) maybe next year she could come with me in China.. well, I will have to see about it with my ex girlfriend (she could be ok for one week, but for 2.. we have to deal about it..^^)
Irish', thanks about your idea, I just think I have to do the Pearl River cruise by night with Lyian. I'm sure she would really like it, too.
I have to study a bit some more my chinese, just because when I was on holidays with my daughter, I did not really study...:blush:
My bag is almost ready, now, I'm waiting for my visa to be ready, too, and all would be ok :)
I have just written again to my contacts in Shanghai (no news given since 3 weeks, because of many money to be saved), so I hope anyway they will write back and still will be happy to see me once I'll be there. ^^'
For sure, that trip will never be the same as the Chongqing's one ^^'
J-11 before going in China ^^', it's just so near !!!!!!!!!!! :icon_cheesygrin:
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"For sure, that trip will never be the same as the Chongqing's one..."
That's for sure mate...hehehe
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Guy's , I will be in Shanghai and GuangZhou at the same time as Sly . So , I will make sure the last trip will not be repeated . :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Just kidding Sly , I really hope we have a chance to meet up in either of those two Cities . If not , have a great Trip and let this be the one you'll find your Girl .
When you get to Guanzhou keep your eye out for Ted. he was due there more than a week ago and was due to marry tomorrow but not heard a word since San Fransciisco.
Willy
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Willy , that is very strange ... that's not like him ? I wonder what could have happened , that it might be too embarrassing for him to say anything ? If all thing's were to go by plan , he would of shown himself . :huh:
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Arnold I think its more likely (hope it is) that its working out great and he doesn't have access to a computer!
In my last two visits when I was with my Ling i didn't post because I was with her and computers were way down the list ...
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I reckon he probly gots kidnappd by the chinese federalies. I think David5o warned about that...or maybe it was Presidunt Raygun.
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Well, last line before going again in China, but this time, in Shanghai ^^'
I'm waiting for my visa to be done, Lyian told me via QQ that she booked the 2 hotels (one in her city and the other one in Guangzhou) and that she was ok about Pearl River ^^' (it seems she really likes that Idea, so, A BIG THANK to you, Irishman ;) )
She says too that it will be the first time for her to meet a foreigner, so she would certainly be shy and many other things. I have just guessed that she was more and more learning english, and it's really nice. For sure, I'm just counting days that separate from the "departure"?^^'
Any more news just before going there.
Btw, I'm still around ;)
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Sly good luck.Have a great trip.Check out Beijing street in Guanzghou good place to mingle with the locals.
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Sly have a great trip and make sure you have a way to contact Arnold if you need to.seriously have a great trip and a wonderful time.......and as Maxx always says remember the 24 hour rule
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Sly and I will have Breakfast at my Hotel and than go to the new Finacial Building ( which the last time I was there it Rained and was cloudy ) and go for Lunch ( this is for Chong and Martin ) to Yu Yuan Garden's for the most famous of all the Dumpling's in China the Xiaolongbao dumpling's . Mmmmmm yum yum ... I will take photo's for sure . haha
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It's a very good "program" that we will have there ^^'
Meeting each other, breakfast, eating very good Dumplings. In one week, just one, I'll be there :D
Many thanks about advices and about luck.
Maxx, Ok, I'll remember to check for Beijing Street in Gz, maybe Lyian knows this street in fact, maye not, well, we'll see :)
And for sure, yes, the 24h rule's still in my head ;)
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Good news on Ted aka ttwjr32. Been talking to him on the telephone and i am meeting up with him and his new wife in Zhongshan on Tuesday and Wednesday of this week. Ted is in Guangzhou but cannot get on internet yet.
Could send photo but have not got hang of doing that yet.
Can anyone help?
Willy
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Willy uploading a photo just about every site/email is the same. Choose the photo, attach it and send.
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For sure, every forum can do that, even via mails, man can :)
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Willy uploading a photo just about every site/email is the same. Choose the photo, attach it and send.
I give up - I can attach photo to my email but can see no way to do it here.
But now suddenly found a way.
This is Ted aka ttwjr32 and his new wife Sisi.
But still have not sorted the re sizing. but then Ted is big boy
Willy
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Willy , tell Ted and Sisi " Congrat's on their Marriage . Enjoy many many happy year's together .
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Willy,
He may be a ''Big Boy'' now, but you watch that weight fall away, ...now that his married!!
Sisi will slowly start reducing his calorie input, including the beer!! haha!!
I want to see a picture of him in say a years time, cause i bet he won't be such a Big Boy then ....lol!!
David....
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Willy,
He may be a ''Big Boy'' now, but you watch that weight fall away, ...now that his married!!
Sisi will slowly start reducing his calorie input, including the beer!! haha!!
I want to see a picture of him in say a years time, cause i bet he won't be such a Big Boy then ....lol!!
David....
You are not wrong David. Being in China has worked for me. I have shed something like 20lb in the last 12 weeks here in Zhuhai. Another 16 -20 lbs between now and Christmas will make me as happy as the ladies here.
Gone would be the old porky Willy and in will go the new streamlined superfast Willy.
Willy
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ahah ^^
Lyian told me the same about weight, first, because of the weather, a bit still warm actually, and 2d, because of the food, they don't really like "too much" like us, (maybe some do, but not almost) :)
Well, anyway, I will ask about some royalties to some of you, to post some "other threads" on my stories ^^' (just kiddin' all of you, brothers ^^)
I just wish Ted and his wife all the best happyness to be lived together, and maybe could I see them in China, who knows? :)
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Ted the best of luck to you and Sisi........Congrats brother:icon_biggrin:
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Last day in France before holidays in China for 2 weeks :)
My visa is ok, I got some money to help for the first week in Shanghai. Anyway, some of it will be used for when I'll be with Lyian in Gz and in her city.
Well... I'm just too happy to be on the plane and to be in Shanghai.
Tonight, I'll finish to pack my bags and all will be ok.
I'll check too for the other topic about "age of members", and then, having some "rest" before tomorrow :)
So...
Brb a bit later tonight :)
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Have a great trip Sylvain.
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Last day in France before holidays in China for 2 weeks :)
My visa is ok, I got some money to help for the first week in Shanghai. Anyway, some of it will be used for when I'll be with Lyian in Gz and in her city.
Well... I'm just too happy to be on the plane and to be in Shanghai.
Tonight, I'll finish to pack my bags and all will be ok.
I'll check too for the other topic about "age of members", and then, having some "rest" before tomorrow :)
So...
Brb a bit later tonight :)
I hope you have an awesome trip...bro!
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Sly, I hope the lady in Guangzhou works out to be the lady for you, have a great trip bru., Good luck and best wishes
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So, here I am, from Shanghai.
What a ...
well.. let's go from the beginning :)
So, as you all know, I had to go from Paris yesterday.
I was with my ex girlfriend and my daughter, my daughter was happy to be with us and I could play a bit with her.
I then had to queue for my bags and so on. I was with many chinese people, and I then saw many other ones going in front of the queue, not mattering there was one queue for the process of the bags to be "registered"... what a f....:@
We were many persons to be a bit angry because of "way to be", because it was like some no respect at all for the ones who were queueing...
So, after that "little story", I said goodbye to my ex girlfriend and my daughter.
I then had to wait about 2 hours before being in the plane. The "checkup" (body control, clothes and so on) was ok :)
One of the persons who have to verify and to check us looked at one of her colleagues, saying "eh, you wanted some action, right?? guess what, he's clean :D" and she smiled by looking at me.. I then smiled in return, saying "I am sorry if you wanted some action, but I can go back the door and putting my belt and keys on me again... :D" she smiled again and let me go.
Finally, the boarding was coming, slowly but surely, and same as before, many chinese came in front of the queue ... :@ did they were ugly enough to think the plane would go without them??? or were they blind enough to not see there was again a queue...?
Once in the plane, I was with a chinese man, almost 24 years old. it is just after 5-6 hours that I guessed he could speak a bit french. He is chinese but lives in France, and came in China to see some of his family in Wenzhu. He was very friendly and we talked about my trip, about Lyian, about Internet and how would be my trip. He also played with my PSP and was very happy to play with it. He also added me to his QQ, as I'll surely will see him again later in Paris (he said he'll be back there in December).
I tried to sleep but it was not really possible, in fact.. I think I have sleeped about 2 or 3 hours max... I then drank some coffee and a redbull, and took some "medicaments" for headaches.
I was a bit tired but ok.
Once arrived in Shanghai, so, I had to wait for the visa's checkup (there was no control about swine flu), and then, waiting for my bags... a bit more than 30 mins later, it was good.
So, finding next a taxi... that was a little funny ^^ I saw no taxi at all, just a "little bus". The driver looked at me, I then asked him if he spoke english, he smiled a bit, and it was like a "no, no, sorry". I showed him the hotel's adress, he then smiled and said "ok, ok". I thought we would have to wait for any other persons as it was a little bus, but no... I just was alone inside, with the driver. He looked at the adress 2 times and so, we were going to the final destination. I tried to not sleep because I wanted to know a bit "the way" to go to the hotel from the airport and to see how far it was from the airport, too.
I realized I was a bit wrong, I thought the hotel was near the airport... I now better understand why Arnold said we could not meet today for breakfast ^^
I arrived at 07:00 am in Shanghai but at the hotel at almost 09:00 am (approximativly one hour from the airport to the hotel, and the other hour was to wait for my bags, visa's checkup and few other things else)
I was a bit "surprized" because I thought that someone would come to take my bags... but no... I had to help myself to do it.
I thanked anyway the driver (almost 234 rmb's for the course), and once I came into the hotel, then a groom asked me if he could help. He saw me when I was outside but he didn't come ... strange a bit... but why not.
I then said him he could help, I gave him my bags and went to have my room.
One of the staff's members asked me many details, my visa, my electronical booking, and then said there maybe was a mistake about the booking, asking me if I really was leaving in October. I said that yes, but that I would probably go to Guangzhou before, but it seemed that he wasn't listening to me anymore... Just strange...
I then went to see my room once I got the room's card, and I thanked the groom via 10 rmb's. He was happy but I thought it was "normal" to thank because he did his job. I also asked him to contact the ladies in Shanghai because for one of them, her english is really poor, and the other one, I thought it would be better for him to call, too.
Well.
I said I could be "free" for 01:00 pm but the first lady wasn't available, she is in business outside Shanghai and will come back on Thursday...
The other lady wasn't free today but she said she should contact me tomorrow.
Well, we'll see...
About the breakfast...
One of the staff member's asked me about my room number, and I then told him about it, he then looked at me, saying that I had to pay...
I said that not, of course not, because it was included in the room's booking. He then let me having my breakfast but when I left, he looked at me, reasked about the room number and gave me a facture...
I then became a bit angry, (but polite with smile), saying that I had "breakfast free for 2 persons". He said he did not see it, he had to confirm... he excused himself twice about that "problem" and said that there was no more problem, he would correct it with another member of the staff...
I sleeped a bit, and connected to QQ.
I saw Lyian, we talked together, she was happy to see I was in China, and worries about the fact that we both need translation tools to communicate with each other. I told her it was "normal", at beginning, but with time, we'd surely could not use it, just learning together words when going somewhere together, learning some words in english/chinese/french :)
she said she was happy anyway that we will soon see each other :)
I am just really happy because of it, I must admit. She asked if everything was fine when travelling by plane and if I was not really tired. She is also still "careness"? about me :)
I just want to say that about being with her before the 26, she preferred not because of her work, 'seems like she's working hard most of the time, but she said that when I'll be with her, it will be very good :)
btw, as I'm in Shanghai it's a good thing to do some meetings with some chinese ladies from CHNLOVE, even if it's not at all for a lovestory.
I'll see anyway if one of the ladies who I am in contact with, will really contact me again tomorrow.
By now, I will have a look at the swimming pool in the hotel I think, and then going eating, and then, going to a famous road, to visit a bit Shanghai by night :)
And then, tomorrow, meeting with Arnold & Qing ^^
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Have fun Sylvain, et fais gaffe à toi tout de même :D Ca pickpoquette pas mal surtout dans la foule!
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Voice, thanks about the comment ;) (translation : beware about pickpockets, mostly when there are lot of people)
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Wow, great story Sylvain!
That reminds me of when I am in Hong Kong with an Australian guy I met in a bus queue. We were looking for the ferry port. We ask natives, but communicating is totally impossible if they know no English. It's very frustrating, as generally if you go to anywhere in Europe it's usually possible to find a few common words to make yourself understood.
Moral of the story - don't underestimate the language barriers, brothers. If Chinese person no speak English, and you no speak Chinese you haven't a hope in hell of communicating :blush:.
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Have fun Sly and tell Arnold and Qing Hello for us, best wishes :icon_cheesygrin:
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MLM, for sure I will ;)
I've just finished to eat.. I think I have eaten as if I would have never eaten since many months.. Sushis/sashimis, lasagnes/creme brulee/cookies/sweets/ welll. ich bin sat ^^'
by now I think I gonna be in "lazy mode" in fact for tonight.
Lyian told me she had to go to a church, tonight.. I didn't really know that churches were opened, at night.
So, she should come back in a few moments.
See you later, Brothers;)
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Du bist Satt! ^_^ Free German spelling lesson, even though you need Mandarin right now, but there I'm at least as bad as you ...
And watch your belly, I gained 3 kilos in 10 days around Shanghai last time :angel:
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Day 2 : The Meeting with Arnold & Qing
Today was a big date for me, I finally could meet Arnold and his wife.
But the beginning was not really as I would have liked it to be.
Once again, it seems that there is always something turning around me, and I just was a bit angry.
But happy at the end, the most important point ^^
First, bad sleeped, awaken many times, and I don't really know how to explain. the bed is very cumfortable, so is the room, and I have nothing to say about it. Maybe about the window and the fact that my showing room has some "direct view" to the window, but it's another subject ^^'
So, I finally woke up at 06:45 am, one of the grooms downstair, at the hotel, told me yesterday that he has booked a taxi for me for today, at 07:30 am. I had enough time to have a shower, and had to see what to wear... well, I checked about Arnold's photographies, I said myself (jacket, t shirt?) and I finally changed 3 times... but I didn't really see the weather outside in fact...
Once I was ok, I went downstair, and the groom said me that he forgot in fact to book the taxi.... what a s....t
It was 07:30 am and I said myself that, even if Arnold was not so far away from my hotel, (less than 10 kms), I maybe would not have so long to be in taxi to go and meet him...
About 5 mins later, a taxi came, and the groom asked him to get me quickly to the Holiday Inn, where were my friend Arnold and his wife..
By the way, it was raining, and I then said to myself that a jacket would not really have been a good idea... and no umbrella at all... ^^'
But because of the traffic jam, I lost more than one hour in the taxi to go there.
I then checked about the phone number, but I did an error... while I thought I was calling Qing, I was calling Lyian in fact ^^'... but it seemed that she didn't really understand me when I was speaking to her... and as I had some doubts while I supposed I was talking to Qing, I then said I would call back 10 mins later.
I became a bit upset while I got a message "where are you going? is very early, I am working now". I suddenly realized I wasn't calling the righteous person ^^'. I then used my mobile to connect here and retrieving the correct phone number, and when I wanted to call, I just could hear "the number you dialed is incorrect..."
what a f...
No way to join Arnold and I thought he would had been going to have breakfast with his wife.
Finally, a few minutes before 09:00 am, I arrived at the Holiday Inn, a groom tried to help me to not be too much wet because of the rain, and showed me the entrance of the hotel. I thanked him and the taxi too anyway, and found a lady who was working in the hotel. I asked her if she could speak in english, and as she was replying to me, someone came next to me and told me "are you Sly?"
I then realized Arnold was here, with his beautiful wife. I was very happy and for sure, I explained about the situation and the fact that I could not join them.
It seems there's also a missing number in the phone number I got, but Arnold and Qing were waiting me, anyway, to go breakfast.
You have to know that in fact, Arnold is really someone interesting and he is the same as his photographies, a very cool and nice guy, who likes joking and who is very "careness", would I say.
I even was amazed because of Qing, because she was very good in english, and because she's a very beautiful chinese woman, too. I think Arnold can easily confirm about it :) She talked to me always in english and teached me some words in chinese, too (and in Shanghainese ^^)
So, about the breakfast :
It was very delicious ^^ (délicieux, Arnold, do you remember? ^^) and we took some photographies about us (in fact we asked someone to take some photos about us) :)
We then talked about many things, life in China, the difference between Chongqing and Shanghai. I told Arnold I was surprized because of the life which seemed expensive in Shanghai, and not in Chongqing. He just said it was right, and that life was not the same as in Chongqing (even Qing approved it), and I then became a bit upset because I didn't think it would be like that, I thought it would be the same as in Chongqing. (Just an example : from the aiport to the hotel, about one hour in taxi, costs about 234 rmb's in Shanghai. And in Chongqing, for about 30 mins in taxi, it costs about 30 rmb's only... do you feel the difference????)
So, after the breakfast, Arnold and Qing invited me quickly to their room, (no, there was no dumplings inside of it ^^) and they took an umbrella because we were then moving outside, to go "visiting" a big tower together.
But as I didn't have any umbrella, Arnold went back to his room and lend(ed?) me another one. I thanked him and a few mins later, we took a taxi which brought us to the famous tower.
Arnold was very nice because he explained me many things about the tower and the other ones which were around.
So, we entered into the tower, and the cost is 150 rmb's. In fact, it is approximatively the same price as in France when man is visiting a monument or something like that. We had some "checkup" like in airports, and I knew I would have "beeped" when passing the door. So I took all keys/usb keys, belt, and a short knife from my pocket...
When one of the men saw it, I thought I would have been in the beginning of a little war... "look! look! it's a knife!! he got a knife!!!" ..
OMG....
One other man looked at the knife and smiled a bit because it was a very small one, just as small as one of my fingers.... ^^ so, they let me in, and Arnod and Qing were surprized because of it... I then showed them the "little knife", and we could go on visiting.
I must say the Observatory tower is also 474 meters high. The tower is very "futuristical looking" inside the elevators. Most of the time, we were only the 3 of us inside each elevator. Guess what? We were VIP's people, that's all ! ^^
Once we were to the top (100th floor), we saw that for sure, it was raining and could not really saw a beautiful view on all Shanghai. Arnold was a bit "sad" because it was the second time he was there, and the first time was also a rainy day or cloudly one.
Anyway, we did some photographies, and I could see and compare the difference between that observatory and many other monuments, as ... the eiffel tower ^^
The place was also very nice and we saw at first in a "room", some futuristic monuments/buildings that should be built later. Maybe would it be real, maybe just as projects... well, let's go on ^^
So, the Observatory let us see some houses which are likely some european ones, the "style" was very different from what I've seen in Chongqing.
We saw a swimming pool downside the tower, and both Arnold & I joked about it, as I was saying "let's jump !!" We imaginated too like a sort of cable to go up to there or directly to another destination :) 'seems like Arnold really liked the tour he did on The Great Wall in Beijing when he used the cable, too ^^
After the visit of that tower (which is the highest one in all the world), we then had to take another taxi to go to a famous place, where we could eat some Dumplings
Arnold asked me if I had eaten some before, but as he told me how "specific" it was, I replied that no, not some like that, in fact.
So, a few mins later, we arrived to a place, there were lot of people queueing, and I guessed it was the famous place where the dumplings were very good.
We waited about 10-15 mins I thik before having a table.
We then shared some cup of tea together, and dumplings came to us :)
I don't want to hurt anyone, but we saved of all it ^^ (in our stomachs, for sure ^^)
Qing and Arnold showed me the way to eat it, and using chopsticks was not a problem at all :)
We then talked about many things, about my daughter, about life in China, about Lyian, about Arnold & Qing, in fact, many subjects, that, for sure, one day together would never had been enough to talk about sooo many things.
I really liked to see Arnold & Qing because they are very nice and happy together. I wish I could have the same situation in a few days with Lyian. Who knows?
So, after the dumplings were gone (^^), we finally went out, and I saw some men asking Arnold if he wanted to buy some Rollex/Iphone/Ipod and many other things... I was a bit surprized because I didn't know if it was like some "joke" or not, but Arnold said nothing, and the man left, just to ask me.. even a "no" did nothng, the man tried anyway to sell me anything.
The place is anyway very nice and I'm sure to go there later (maybe tonight in fact ^^)
Arnold and Qing asked a taxi to take me back to my hotel, and I thanked them many times for all the morning/day we shared together. We hope to be able to meet again in Guangzhou in a few days, maybe on Saturday, in fact, we'll see how to proceed :)
Once I was back to the hotel, I then was a bit K.O but put the photographies on my laptop and resized all of them, so that it can be posted here :)
I slept a bit and went also swimming a few hours later, just before eating in the restaurant, in the hotel. But it was the last time for me to eat there (because of the price)
In fact, the swimming pool is very nice, as from the beginning, I am always alone when swimming, maybe because most of others are working or visiting, I don't really know. Anyway, I will visit more Shanghai today and in the following days, before going to Guangzhou.
About the restaurant, in fact, one of the mean who is working there is french ^^' we spoke a bit together, he said that yes, Shanghai is very expensive and that traffic jam is very "horrible" when man has to go somewhere in the morning and in the afternoon. Except some "red taxis" with a red like on the Ferrari's, the drivers seem to know very well Shanghai and the speed limits with some "flashers" if man is driving so quick... he also told me a bit more about the hotel and the chinse who were very proud about it. Even if it is a recent hotel, the quality seems to grow up, slowly, but surely.
The quality of the meals is very rich, european one and asian one, too.
I asked him about some good places to visit and he said that People's Square is very well known, just because of dumplings there ^^
I thanked him, and finished my dinner, and a few minutes later, I had to contact any other lady in Shanghai. She said she could be free on Tuesday afternoon, so we would meet at People's Square, because her house is close to it, so, we'll see what to do. by the way, her english is also good, so it's good to me, even if my chinese is a bit too poor.
I booked my flight to Guangzhou, too, so Lyian is waiting for Saturday, just like me :) I hope we could see Arnold and Qing once again, once I'll be there.
I talked a few moment with Lyian but I became a bit tired, so she was, then we decided to go sleeping.
I had to say I woke up this morning at 08:45, so I quickly had a shower and went breakfast.
There were many people, most of them were turkish ones. My breakfast was very good, with cereals, coffee, orange juice, and some watermelon :)
Once it was over, I asked one of the persons working the hotel any services, and about some other places to visit. So, Nanjing road is very a place to visit, it seems. I will have to go there this afternoon, or maybe with Dora, the lady I should meet today.
I will phone her again if she confirms she can be free, and whatever happens, I will go and visiting Shanghai :)
Here are some pics I did from yesterday at the Observatory for most of it.
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Very nice post Sly...I enjoyed reading it...hope the rest of your trip goes well:icon_biggrin:
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Ah...
'seems like my trip is totally different from Chongqing ^^'
but should I be smiling or not? That is a question and I'd like to have some advices/comments about Brothers who've been in Shanghai.
Because maybe I missed something...
Here I go to explain :
So, today, I had to see the famous Dora and to visit a bit Shanghai with her. At first, I was very suspicious to see her, I could not explain why. Maybe because it seemed via phone that I would never see her?
However, I did, after having waiting a bit than 30 mins in People's Square. She is totally different from the pictures on Chnlove... she's beautiful in fact, more than I expected...
She excused herself to be late, but it was ok, as I took some photos about the place and a bit around.
We went so to Nanjing Road and ate like some Dumplings but not the same as the famous place where I was with Arnold & Qing. Those ones were a bit bigger and like some "crispy on the top". sorry but I don't really know how to better tell it :(
But it was almost good, even if it only costs 5 rmb's for 2 of it.
We looked for a book of cooking (in english) for my exgirlfriend, as she asked me to find one book for her, with chinese food but in english :) and we finally found many, just near a Starbuck's.
Just give you a hint : never ask for some Iced brewed coffee... it's not the same as we have in France and in Europe, I think. Here, it was only cold coffee, some ice, that's all. Nothing else, no caramel, no icecream mixed, like a sort of "viennois"... but anyway, I drank it.
A few moment later, we ate in a restaurant, which was not expensive at all (65 rmbs for two dishes), one with some dumplings ^^ (for me) and another one (some dumplings in a soup') for Dora.
I didn't talk her about Liyan (maybe should I had done, in fact...) but I told her that I was leaving on Saturday.
While I was saying it to her, she laughed at me because one of my dumplings fell into my sauce and splashed a bit on my shirt. But I had to laugh at her when she had the same on her skirt ^^
By the way, I remember we saw a dog, a poodle with the 2 sides redhead colored... poor dog...
We talked about many things related to life in China and in France, and she was very happy to know some more about me. For sure, she knew about my daughter and she wanted to see some pictures. So did I, and she was very happy to know her a bit some more.
Once we had finished to eat, we went walking together and as it was raining, she offered me her umbrella. Well, I thanked her but I told her I wanted to buy one in fact, she said that it was a gift, so that I accepted it. And as I tried to protect her from the rain, she suddenly came and passed her arm under mine, looking at me and ... smiled.
'Just impressed...
I thought chinese ladies were not so "direct", because to me, it is a bit significative, when that sort of thing happens.
It is only after a few hours spent together that I realized she was really attracted by me. I could not really explain how nor why.
She told me I was awesome, that she liked me and my eyes, and each time she was looking at me, I was a bit like "troubled"... some sort of "shy" attitude I never could hide. :(
She talked about her parents, her work which is quite interesting, too, as we were walking down the streets, just to go anywhere but together.
I have to admit that she was very nice and we talked several hours in fact together. So many times that I didn't realize how late it was...
Once we checked the hour on my mobile, it was .... 00:30, and we were together since 05:45 pm.
Just try to guess that it is very "special" when man doesn't see time fly away like that...
So, we looked for any taxi (for her first because we don't leave close one to each other).
She then hugged me and kissed me in the neck before going to ...
... a frontal one...
I must say I did not what to say..
In fact, I still don't know, right now...
But I must admit that a chinese kiss is very nice, even if it's not really like some french kiss.
Well... I better go sleeping and tomorrow's another day, but whatever happens, I have to make things clear quickly... or better should I say... ASAP.
And once I finally was back to the hotel, a voice message was waiting for me :
"please call me back. Kiss. Cecilia".
One of the other ladies I was in contact in Shanghai....
OMG would I say....
well... many more news tomorrow with some pics.
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Hahaha Oh Sly....So much different than your firt trip....well done mate...:icon_biggrin:
Maybe Dora is the ONE, without you knowing this???
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I can only repeat what Scottish Rob said. It's a very different trip this time. Much better right?
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Sly, sounds like after the first trip, was famine, this trip is turning into a feast, good luck with all the lovely ladies, and hope you find your Mrs. Right this time
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Hey ... Sly , you did not tell us about all those Lady's .. you were going to see????
You really are Sly . Hahahaha
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Happy days my friend, now you will have the problem of which one to choose, hehe hehe
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Nice to hear things are going well for you Sylvain , but there is still the problem of the other 10,000 young ladies waiting for your ChongQing return , hehe , regards Robert .:icon_cheesygrin:
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Sly,
Do you want to switch places with me for a few days? :icon_confused::P
Shaun
Hey? Where did he go?
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He.
Arnold, in fact, I've talked about some of those ladies, I do remember of one comment from Vince related to Dora (is she working? :D) and that was "funny" to know he thought the same way as me about one of the pictures.
By the way, so, I've met again Dora this morning... but for any reason, no chinese kiss, just simple ones but with hand to hand... 'seems like something may be has changed... Or maybe not but it doesn't really matter.
However, she is a bit "special". She told me via sms that she had a "free day", that her boss was ok. But when I met her, she said me that in fact, she said her boss she had to go to the hospital to see someone? and so that her boss let her having that day free.
So, we were to Yuyuan Garden, in fact we met there. The taxi driver let me at the entrance of the road, so I had to find the way to go and see Dora by myself. It was a bit "easy" because I remembered some buildings (thanks to the many designers ^^) and a few minutes later, I was again with Dora.
She was happy to see me and we went to many shops together, just having a look and visiting some temples, too.
By the way, Arnold, Dora knows about the famous dumplings and she told me that she often went there to eat. So we ate some dumplings, with some tea, and we talked about the shanghainese langage :) she learnt me a few words but it seems that it is more easy to learn that language, compared to the cantonese.
We talked about love, about babies, she told me that she never thought about babies as she was alone, and as I told her "but when you are with someone, you don't think about a baby?" and she said "yes, yes", but it seems it's not really something important for her (in fact, for now, maybe, but maybe later will she change her mind about it). She told me that she liked to make up and to take care about herself, and that she had a cat that liked to "play" with her legs, as it was just to "scratch" it :) (but for sure, she doesn't like it). She told me about her parents, saying that they were open minded, and that whatever she would be with a chinese man or not, they don't say anything to Dora about it. Her mother seems to like watching the anime with a pig in it, I don't remember the name but it's famous in China since a few months. I found that funny that her mother could watch it but why not, after all ^^'
I also forgot to mention that many sellers wanted to sell some bags/watches/ and many other things. One of them talked to me in english and I replied "wo bu jiang zhong wen", and he then told me "nin bu jiang zhong wen, but you understand english". I then looked at him "wo bu dong, wo bu dong"... and for sure, Dora laughed because of the situation.
A bit later, beginning of the afternoon, we went on, walking down the streets of Yuyuan Garden. It was very interesting because Dora told me about some habits she has, sometimes, she goes into that quarter and does some shopping. She also told me about "fake" shoes, like some Nike, almost 55 rmb's, I said that was the price for just one big Mac in France. I then said : I don't what to choose, a big mac or a big shoes... she looked at me, smiled again, but said "it's fake ones". Anyway, I asked to try, gave my feet's size, but it seemed the size was not good, and I got the bigger size, they had nothing better in stock... Too bad, even if it was false shoes, it is also some shoes, and at 5 € it is very cheap ^^'
We then left the shop and Dora told me we could take a ship (not a sheep ^^) to go through the river, to go to the other side (where the Observatory Tower is). When we arrived to pay the pass, I thought it was a joke : only 1/2 rmb to use the ship. But it wasn't. I said Dora that in France, the price would be hundred times that price, she seemed to be surprized. What was in fact surprizing me was that there were some motorbikes, bicycles with us. We went up to the front of the ship, and I took some photos about Shanghai, once again, and some of its buildings.
Once arrived to the other side, we walked again a few minutes together, and we were both ok that we would have to go home (I needed to change some money because I had just enough to pay the taxi back to my hotel) and Dora wanted to go and so some shopping for her at the supermarket.
Well, my feets were a bit "k.o" because we walked many hours together, and knowing that I paid anything when I was with her, and that she told me that she was going to do some shoppings, I didn't ask if I could come... or maybe should I had to do it, and showing her some clothes that she would have bought for me ^^
So, we left each other, small kiss on each side of the face (as this morning), a smile and that's all.
I then checked a taxi, and finally went back to the hotel. Once there, I knew the other lady tried to contact me, I called her back, now, she wanted me to go her company but she didn't give me the adress, so I asked her to come and that I would pay the taxi, she didn't mind, so, maybe will she come, ... I'll see.
About the pictures, I will upload it, sorry. I have to upload it on my computer too :)
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Wow good story, I can't wait for photos. I still find the language mysterious at times. This morning I told my lady I was a car, so I suppose it's reasonable to expect to be able to cross a river on a sheep :icon_cheesygrin:.
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Sly,
Great story, hope all goes well for you.
Good luck bro.
Mike
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I'm glad you are having a good time Sly . I know this Trip will have a much better outcome for you , and may you make the right choice with the right Lady this time . Good Luck .. but it looks like you don't need it . :icon_cheesygrin:
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I also forgot to notice that Dora told me "you know how to reach me if you need me, so..."
so I know what to do.
by the way, the other One (Cecilia) is very "strange". She calls me when I'm not at the hotel (she calls in my room) and when she calls me when I'm outside, it's from a number I don't know at all, so I can't guess who's calling me (and more than less when I don't know who is speaking when there's no "hello, it's ...." and because of too many noise)
Well, she said she'd call me later tonight but I have big doubt about it.
By the way, here are some pics I took in Shanghai since yesterday :)
NB : small update from yesterday : I was right, Cecilia didn't come, nor that she called. Anyway, I'm going to visit again today, but maybe in solo (alone) this time :)
Arnold, I've just seen your message as I was updating my thread, so, yes, for sure, right choice with the right lady is to do :) but I think anyway I have to wait a bit (on saturday, so :) )
People Square's photos :
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Nanjing Road's photos :
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Little update on that Thursday :
I decided to ask someone of the hotel to call again Flora as she said she wasn't free when I arrived in Shanghai.
She said the man I asked the service that she could not see me, and he translated it to me, so I asked "why did she give me her phone number, so?" he then asked her, and it seems that she could not go to my hotel, and that she ends her works at 07:00 pm tonight. She also gave her company's adress to the man who was helpful (as her english is very poor, a bit as my chinese), and so, she will wait for me there.
So, in a bit less than one hour I'll have to prepare myself, because of the traffice jam, I should arrive at the meeting one hour later.
I'm also glad to be able to meet her but I have some doubts now about her, because she firstly said she could not see me.
Well...
I'll tell you later about it, how it was, even if so short... :)
However, whatever happens, I'll try to go again to Nanjing Road tonight, alone or not. :)
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Wow, Yoshinoya and Pizza Hut. They were just about the only two places I ate at in Hong Kong (as the ordering was relatively straightforward). I hope they are in Wuhan as well.
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:D flying up to HK just to eat some Pizzas? lol
About Yoshinoya, I don't know what kind of food man can eat there, but I doubt it is Pizzas ^^'
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Thursday night : W.A.F without translator...
So, tonight, I had to see the famous Flora. A very beautiful lady in pictures via Chnlove and via only one mail of her. But it was just with one picture and she was very beautiful on it.
Many problems at first to be able to see her, first time she was "not available" because outside (out of Shanghai) and she should had been back for today and then calling me.
Guess what? She didn't. But I did call her.
When I was ready, in fact, there was no taxi waiting for me... I had to ask once again, and finally, ten mins later, I got one and I arrived at the adress that Flora gave without any problems.
I was a bit anxious because I heard lot of people singing and I thought she wanted to take me to any karaoke for a first rendez-vous... omg... we could had kill many ducks tonights if I had to sing ^^
Well, so, I asked anyone to call her for me and to say her I was arrived.
A few minutes later, I saw a lady, smart one (little?) and very beautiful, coming slowly in my direction.
So, I knew it was her and her first words were "nice to meet you", but ... the problems were only beginning.
Go and try to guess that her english is as good as my chinese is, just a few words per moments, and she was really "deceived" when she didn't understand quite once of my chinese words :(
I then showed her via my mobile what I wanted to say, and she said "ahhh", and she said "it's ok".
I think in fact, I heard that hundred times tonight.... :(
So, we were looking for a restaurant, I asked her about some chinese one, and she showed me ... an italian one. I smiled a bit, I then told her "zhong guo", and I showed her all the pizzas and the pastas, and she understood. I said again "bu zhong guo", even if I think the sentence is not correct.
We walked a bit some more, I tried to do some other sentences, but even in english, I was wasting my time, and hers, too.
I think I would have dug my own hole just to sit in it and to wait one day for the hurricane to be gone away. I think I've never felt so poor to discuss with someone, even if I tried all my best to talk to her (even with drawing)...
We finally arrived in a restaurant, it was like a french one (the name was french, in fact), and she asked for a card where we could order, but with pictures on it, so that I could know what to order.
She ordered one soup for her, and 2 drinks, (like some orange juice and watermelon one) and I ordered anything else, which was like some menth, in fact. I tried something that seemed a bit spicy, I could not really say what it was, but I can say that anyway, it was quite good.
I tried so, to talk again with Flora, but all I could do was always hurting myself against the big wall and hearing "wo bu dong".
You can guess that less than 15 mins later, I just wanted to go back home and leave China definitively and never would hear about it up to the end of my life.
'GOT IT... or not?
I don't know why it happened but it did..
Flora had just finished to drink her 2 drinks and her supp and she told me something that I didn't understand at all.
I saw she went away but she didn't say me she was going to closets or anywhere else.
Gues what? I just guessed 3 mins later that she was gone, without saying any "thanks", "bye" or anything like this.
I was very angry and sad too because of the situation.
I waited about 5 mins, she wasn't back.
I then finished to eat, I asked the bill, I paid all (just 98 rmb's, so it was quite correct) and when I was leaving, she was coming back.
But I had left the table where we were sitting.
I looked at her, surprized, and same to her. She asked "why, why.... you, you?" and I replied, "dui bu qi, I didn't know, come, come", and we went outside.
I felt very bad and sad because I did a mistake, I think I should had waited more for her.... W.A.F.
I asked her if she wanted to eat, she just replied "no, no, it's ok"... but I think she was hungry, in fact.
She showed me the closets (I suppose she was there in fact...) and asked me "you want to go?", and I replied that no, it was ok... (it wasn't but I was worried about the situation)
I tried many times to explain her I was sorry about the restaurant and that I thought she was going home, she always replied "wo bu dong".
I was losing my face. Anything I tried to talk with her was like a shame for me.
I blamed to be so bad in chinese. I tried to tell her that we would need a translator, no way to make it understand...
I tried to relax, but no way... I felt more and more embarrassed and confused than anything else, in good conditions...
We then looked for some clothes, and she smiled a bit, showing me a dress and seeing if that could fit me, and I smiled in return, too. We found some nice clothes for her, but when she saw the price (429 rmb's), she wanted to go away (it was like some french shop, so maybe would it have explained the price, I don't know).
By the way, one of the sellers was a little good in english, but when I asked her to translate my mistake about the restaurant, she said anything else to Flora and she didn't understand why I wanted her to come with me at home... I just said "tell her that I'm sorry, I thought she wanted to go home in fact, because she left me and said nothing" ) but oh well... it was a very bad time :(
We stopped into a Starbuck's coffee and I ordered a Frappuccino, with some caramel.
I showed Flora some pictures about my daughter, she liked it, she smiled because I drawed a little face, saying "ni", and the face was sad, and I told her again "ni". She looked at me, and I said "wo yao", and I drawed a smiling face, she just laughed at it, so it was quite nice to be able to make her smile and laughing.
The lights inside the Starbuck's began to shut down and the man who took my order said it would close at 10:00 pm, and it was almost 09:43 pm in fact.
But when I tried to say it to Flora, she just saw the "21:43" and didn't understand. I tried to understand and translate but it was very hard.
I just can say that, still right now, I always feel sad about that situation... Because of the language barrier, the night was more like a nightmare than anything else, with birds, bees and so on...
She had like a pendant and I told her the name was the same as my daughter, in fact, the meaning (I tried all my best to translate "meaning" while I was drawing it. She didn't understand :(
So, it was almost 10:00 pm and we have to leave.
Flora, once outside, just told me "you need taxi", I understood and said "yes" but I think that in fact, she thought I needed to go home when it would 10:00 pm, but what she might have thought wasn't what I wanted to say.
I also tried to tell her I'd like to see her again tomorrow but with a translator, I drawed the word "translator", I even showed a computer, I wrote "zhong guo" on my mobile, just under, I put "translator", and at the bottom "fa guo", and I showed 2 directions. It seems that she could have understood that but it just seems.
Finally, she stopped a taxi, I first wanted her to go into it, but she said "no", so then I came into the taxi and went back to the hotel. I looked Flora 3 times and she smiled to me, but I think I can say she lived a real nightmare, too.
Once in the hotel, I wrote her directly on Chnlove, I think that there's nothing to lose or win, by now, into that "situation". Even if, before the meeting I was really happy to see her. Well, I'll see what she would reply.
By the way, Cecilia tried to join me 2 times, I got voice messages, I had to call her back, so I will see her tomorrow, so that we could eat together, by night. I'll see how it would happen, as she already knows I had to meet 2 other ladies and going to Guangzhou.
Well.
Nothing else to say, no pictures today, and I would add "it's ok"...
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Wow mate...So sorry...This language barrier must be dreadful when you are in that situation !!!:huh:
Let us hope that when your letter is translated by Chnlove, she will see what went wrong...:sleepy:
Good luck mate.
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sounds like a really frustrating night Sylvain. Keep us posted on whether she writes you back.
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Wow, that's a shame.
I do know from my experiences in Hong Kong that it is totally impossible to communicate with Chinese people who cannot speak English. Someone who knows a tonal language has absolutely no idea how to listen to a non-tonal language. This is not like going to another European country, or even Japan. We might as well be from Mars. Please please please guys, remember this as it is as important as the 24 hour rule :huh:.
I am taking a chance visiting my lady next month without a translator. However, we have talked on Skype and I could understand her. We're also both computer geeks so if we can't talk to each other we'll retreat to cyberspace and talk from our respective hotel rooms :icon_cheesygrin:.
P.S. Yoshinoya branches in Hong Kong were a kind of McDonalds but serving decent Asian food. They have a card menu with a lot of set meals and it's dead easy to order in there. They are also in Japan, but they serve Ramen and the whole set up is completely different.
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dear Sylvain,
so happy to get your email and so happy to meet you last night. I feel so terrible sorry for my English. I tried very hard to understand you and make myself understood.. I hope I didn't make you upset too much but I really feel very upset for myself, for my English. I do want to meet you again sylvain, but I do not have any electronic translator and the real human translator is expensive. They cost 500yuan for two hours.
I found you a taxi was because I thought you do not like me for you pay the bill in the restaurant and want to leave alone. I supposed you want to go back to hotel so I help you to get a taxi. But you were thirsty and want some coffee.
It's so good that you will come to the expo in shanghai next year. maybe you will bring your little girl with you. I know she will be so happy to come to china^_^
Are you packing all the things for tomorrow now? have a great day Sylvain.
Big hug,
Flora
As I would say, I'm very happy Flora wrote me back and posted good comments. So now, I just have to see what to do. For sure, I would really like to see her again before leaving Shanghai on next Saturday. But it will be a bit difficult... Well, I'll have to see :)
I wrote her back, saying she didn't have to worry about yesterday and the fact that I paid the bill, just because I had to pay it, anyway. I told about many other things, and that I felt upset because she didn't eat much ... (just one soup)
Well. What else to say?
I don't have any news about Dora (she also knows I had to see other ladies and told me "it's your life" and "if you want to see me, you have my phone, you call me, it's ok", and about Cecilia, I must see her tonight.
I would say that, between my first story with no "Plan B" and this story, there are many differences. One thing is sure anyway, I won't leave China without any good memories and maybe a new love...
Just have to see how things will turn out in the following days. Maybe some of you would say "don't run after too many rabbits, You'll go back home alone with nothing in your hands/love", but ... as I have many opportunities and as I need to see many ladies and to know if everything is different or not than via EMF's, I'd have a better idea and the face to face is really useful. I just know by now that I really want to see again Flora. Even if the language is difficult, I will see for an electronic translator, ASAP.
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Wow, Yoshinoya and Pizza Hut. They were just about the only two places I ate at in Hong Kong (as the ordering was relatively straightforward). I hope they are in Wuhan as well.
Brett, most restaurants will have English type of menus. All of the good ones do, they have chinese and below it English so it should not be a problem.
Sly, I am happy things are going well. Much better than last trip. Yes, it is tough when you are trying to communicate with someone who has no idea what you are saying.
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Sylvain, I arrived in Changsha last night bro! It's awesome! Stupid Asiana airlines left my luggage somewhere. Add me on QQ! I'm staying with girlfriend and we are having the time of our life! Unlike, some people I go to China and not watch TV all day or sit in front of monitor
(with no life)! LOL...some people talk and some of us walk!!:icon_cheesygrin:...Everything is set besides luggage...and we are going to Macau October 4. Hungout with another bro from Las Vegas and his wife! Anyways have fun bro!
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'BigButt, I already added you on QQ :huh: but it seems you not connected ;)
by the way, tomorrow so is the day for Gz and meeting Lyian.
Tonight, I "Should" meet Cecilia... well, up to now, she didn't call me but she said she can't call on international, so she would call directly the hotel where I am, in my room...
but if I have no calls in 2 hours, I'll change my plans for tonight... hopin' that I could see either Flora or Dora...
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Geez... Sly, It seems you have fun of your life despite some breakdowns, happy for you. But believe me i wont want to be in your skin When it comes to making a choice!
No i am not going to tell you " dont run after many rabbits " but what about this one: " Not to see the forest for the trees "! But its so exciting to know who will win the match of taming you at long last. Keep on having fun buddy.
Abigbutt... Have a nice trip and a lot of fun with your lady. Keep us posted anyway.
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but if I have no calls in 2 hours, I'll change my plans for tonight... hopin' that I could see either Flora or Dora...
... or Nora or Lora or Moira or Gloria :icon_cool:
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sly go for DORA:icon_cheesygrin:
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'BigButt, I already added you on QQ :huh: but it seems you not connected ;)
by the way, tomorrow so is the day for Gz and meeting Lyian.
Tonight, I "Should" meet Cecilia... well, up to now, she didn't call me but she said she can't call on international, so she would call directly the hotel where I am, in my room...
but if I have no calls in 2 hours, I'll change my plans for tonight... hopin' that I could see either Flora or Dora...
kk I accepted! I sent you a note via QQ...howdy Chong! Changsha, is fun! Everything is happening! Visited girlfriends family tonight...finally received my luggage! Asiana airlines...for those that are planning trip to China. Took one day after arrival to get luggage :s girlfriend had to deal with me all day...she took me shopping...new clothes for the day...she is great! Bought me dinner last night and breakfast today! Everything you hope with a lady and some!!! Sylvain, keep positive bro!!! Ur in China!!! get yourself a translator...I paid 200 RMB for one tonight! Everything went great with family!!! This lady also translates in German! People here are very respectful! Went to river here(forgot name...lol)...took some pics...maybe we will go to mountian, tomorrow! Anyways...will try to be on QQ sometime tomorrow...let you know plans!:icon_biggrin:
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Well, a small update and anything to share with you about my first meeting with Cecilia.
Oh... well, it seemed to be like a rollercoaster, once again.
Via phone, she seemed sometimes to be as cold as ice... No need to draw to understand that meaning, right?
So...
Tonight, so, I waited for her call but she didn't call... I then decided to call her and... "sorry I forgot your phone number... I was already waiting you would call..."
well...
So, I tell her it's ok, she says me that when I will be ready, I ask the taxi driver to speak to her so that she can tell him the adress... but I did it with one of the men working in the hotel (more easy, I think). He was ok to help me and we talked a bit about all those ladies I could meet in Shanghai and how I could meet them as I was french. I told him about ChinaLove, but he didn't understand about it (anyway, he seemed to be interested when seeing the pictures I had on my mobile ^^) (Arnold, sorry, I know you are on my mobile, too, so, sorry, but I promise he didn't see your photo with Qing on it ^^)
So...
Twenty mins about later, I was arrived and I called Cecilia. I waited a bit for her, I was in a quarter I didn't know at all, with some buildings around me, and two persons outside. A few cars, some dark "quarters" and that was all.
3 mins may have passed, Cecilia wasn't here. I phoned her again and I stopped a lady. I said her like "it's for you"... :D and she was surprized, I showed her the phone, she understood, she spoke and Cecilia hang up. 10 secs later, she was here. ... but...
No hello, no "how are you"... nothing. As Cold As Ice.
I was very suspicious about the dinner with her, as we had to eat together.
I had a doubt, knowing if she was really "herself" or not, she then looked at me, and I say "ni hao ma?" she then replied "I'm fine", and she asked where I wanted to eat.
I then replied that I would like to eat chinese food, local one...
Guess what...
She said "it's ok".
She stopped a taxi and asked me just before if I wanted to eat in a good restaurant or some other ones... cheaper...
I also said "a good one".
She smiled and when the taxi arrived, she said to the driver to go to a destination I just couldn't know...
But about 15 mins later, we arrived at a place, I saw lot of western men & women outside, discussing about many things, and I supposed we were at the famous restaurant.
I looked around quickly but I saw everything except a chinese restaurant. Did I miss something:huh:
We had to take a lift to arrive 7 floors upper to a restaurant... It was like an european one. Cecilia said something to the "waitress"? and went away, and I just followed her. I then could see that we were in a restaurant where we could see all Shanghai by night. we were outside, there still were lot of people eating, some western ones, again.
I then realized... and remembered one thing... Life is Shanghai is EXPENSIVE!!!
Guess what...
We were in fact in a famous restaurant, and the prices of the dishes were as expensives as if I would have been with a friend or anyone else in Paris....
O M G
I started to blush, then to be a little upset...
Cecilia looked at me, we tried to speak but she said me that sometimes, my accent in english was very bad (she didn't say it like this, but said "your accent in english is a french english accent", and most of the time she didn't understand me.... :-(
Fortunately she understood and spoke english.
Well...
One of the servers came and asked us what we'd like to eat, and Cecilia asked for the menu.
I then looked quickly and see that all prices were above 48 rmbs... just for aperitives....
I then looked quickly the next page... Maybe should I hadn't done it in fact!
The prices were more than 150 rmb's... outchhhhh !!!
I then said Cecilia "I'm sorry, but tell me, please, it is a famous restaurant, right? So, the prices are expensive?" She then looked at me and seemed upset. She then replied "I asked you if you wanted to eat in a good restaurant, you said yes". Ok I admit she was right... but anyway, it wasn't chinese food that we could have for dinner... more western food in fact.
She then said "ok ok, don't care, I check for something cheap in the menu".
Or not...
I tried to not think about it, and I asked her a few questions. She looked at me, and the server came again. We told him what we wanted to eat /drink and while I was watching the beautiful view on Shanghai by night, I was trying to know some more about Cecilia.
She looked at me and was very cold sometimes... but little by little, she began to be less like this.
I began to be happy and to smile. I then asked her about her letters and mine, if she did really understand all, if she wanted to ask me anything else, and if I could ask her anything else. She agreed and when I told her that in fact, I just knew a few things about her, then I wanted to ask her anything more, she said me "please stop, you are asking me questions like a policeman !"
Well.
As I've heard this sentence, I just wanted to leave and to go back to the hotel...
WTF to not ask any questions when man doesn't know a lot of things about the lady who he's eating with??
I then explained her gently and softly that most of times, CHNLOVE Agencies don't really translate all correctly, and maybe some good information can be wrong or bad translated, even with some extra contents inside... She then began to understand.
I told her that I only knew her real name (An Na) and her job, that's all.
She then said "it's ok, ok, you can ask some questions".. but I told her "dui bu qi", and she said again that I could ask, as she could understand why I asked so many questions.
So, a few mins later, I knew a bit some more about her, as we were eating too. By the way, I ate a risotto and her, it was a famous fish, really delicious.
She asked me why I was in China and how many times. I told her the reasons (the normal ones), that I really liked that country and chinese food, the way of life about people there, and the culture, with including charming ladies.
She smiled.
I told her about Chongqing, just about the taxi drivers and about the way of life there, the weather, too. She saw I was very interested in China. I told her about my point of view about Shanghai compared to Shanghai, and that the language was very different, too. Because, for sure "shaya" to say "xiexie" and "lon hao" or something like this, to say "ni hao", in fact ^^, there is also "ia do hao", to say "wan shang hao"
well... ^^
she smiled when I thanked the server many times in Shanghainese, because he was first surprised and then, thanked me in return, in chinese... :D
I just remembered me about the beginning of the meeting with Cecilia, it was very bad... but as I was talking with her, she was more "easy" to understand and to speak.
She said me "but if we met each other, it's for a reason, right?" and I agreed.
Try to guess that a few mins later, we were inside the restaurant, because it was beginning to rain a bit, and so, she told me :
"if something between us happens, as you really like me and that I really like you, I would like to take you to my hometown, do you agree?"
I was really shy at first and smiling because I didn't expect that from Cecilia.
"For sure, I'd be happy" have I then replied to her.
She was happy and she said that I was a nice man, even if she knew that I met some other ladies and that I will meet Lyian tomorrow.
But anyway, she said "if..." so.. that means what it means, right?
We had to pay ... well, just... 546 rmbs, for a risotto, a famous fish, (not caviar nor seamon ^^), an orange juice and a bloody mary.
As I said "same price as in France.... oh My G...."
Anyway, I paid and it was in fact 00:30...
Cecilia wanted to go sleeping, I excused myself, and we left the restaurant, to go outside and finding any taxi.
Once we were in the street, there were 4 taxis waiting, but Cecilia told me to walk a bit, because the first one of the taxis was a blue one, and was not really a good one.
3 mins later, we found a taxi and we jumped into it. Cecilia told the driver the way to go, she then let her head on my shoulder and took my hand, slowly...
Well...
I was almost happy, for sure. I then let the moment being as it was,without waiting or wanting something more to happen.
Cecilia sleeped slowly just next to me, her head still on my shoulder, and a few mins later (maybe 10) we arrived to where she lives.
I then went outside the taxi and Cecilia told the driver where to let me. She then kissed me as in western countries, not a frontal one nor a french kiss ^^ but a small kiss and a smile, telling me that she would be very happy too, to meet me again.
I then thought to myself that it was very like a rollercoaster, because at the beginning, she was a bit like some Ice and that now, she seemed very different... ^^
I then went back to my hotel...
And now, I have to prepare my bags quickly and sleep a bit, because in 5 hours, I have to wake up...
Next story...
The final meeting with Liyan.
She told me on QQ that in fact, her english was terrible, as she uses often a translator...
so tomorrow we'll see what will happen... :)
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Sly,
Your a real glutten for punishment, but you sure are a do'er!!
I'm enjoying reading your posts. But you sure do need a Besta, ....or anything that will do a half decent job of translating for you.. lol!!
David....
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Wow, that is an epic evening, and a very entertaining post. At least you are living life to the full - hell there are people I went to school with who I don't think have ever left their home town.
I hope nobody lost too much face over this evening. Maybe she thought it would be good to go to a French restaurant? Or as a French man you would lose face by not eating at the best restaurants. I don't think I would worry about those prices, sheesh that would be cheap for the UK as our normal restaurants are that price, never mind fancy restaurants.
I guess hiring a translator would be useful next time. A Besta might help as well :huh:.
What sort of age ranges are the ladies you're meeting, if you don't mind me asking?
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Way to go you 'French Lover'....:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::angel:
Very.... VERY pleased for you brother...:icon_cheesygrin:
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age of range : 27 up to 33, 34. Dora, Cecilia and Flora are less than 30 years olds.
By the way, i m looking for a besta translator, talked to Lyian about it :)
i need sleeping, it s 03:30 am here, i ll give some more news later. Anyway, thanks for the comments ;)
Scottish, french lover but no french kiss up to now... maybe later, maybe no. Time and ladies will see and say :)
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Thanks Syl - I'm only 3 years older than you so I guess we're looking for ladies in a similar age range. It's interesting to know, as I'm not sure what age the ladies decide what they really want out of life.
As a frenchman with that accent and a certain je ne sais quoi you should be overrun with ladies out there! My lady likes France (she once watched a programme about Provence) so I 'll have to take her there some day.
I'm only going to see one lady this time as we have been talking on MSN for weeks and I've lost interest in all the others. If it doesn't work out I'll be very disappointed so I'll come back home and have a rethink. Did you talk to your ladies before you met them
I'm glad you told your lady about China, I think it proves you are serious about this idea, and you win many points for this. My lady loves it when I tell her something I've learnt about China, like a new proverb, or I know about Sichuan cooking being very hot. On MSN we mostly talk in chinese characters now, this also avoids catastrophic sleep/sheep mixups with her English :s.
Good luck for tomorrow! Wow, what an incredible adventure. You will never forget the smells of Asian cities and will be reminded of your trip every time you walk past an Asian restaurant.
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Good luck Sylvain, watch those restaurant bills!
The ice cold thing, you'll get more of that. I'm not sure what iti is, my ex commented after me asking later when things were well advanced that she was just shy and did not want to lose face, really nothing to worry about.
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Hemm....
'seems like there's something wrong somewhere.
For any reason, Lyian had a problem and could not meet me, I asked her why but she said that she could not tell me...
Just guess I was a bit angry because I paid the flight, so that she was sorry for that and that, maybe next time if we would meet, she would give some money for it (I don't really know if I should believe her or not... but I think there's no hope in it to happen anyway)
So... I just didn't go to Gz and I'm still in Shanghai.
I contacted Cecilia but it seems too that there's something wrong, too. Each time on phone seems to be as a blizzard. Maybe doesn't she like replying on the phone?
Well, anyway, I told her I still was in Shanghai but she said she was busy. Yesterday night she told me she would be busy this afternoon, not this morning... well... I know that I sent her a sms this morning, asking her to call me back, but she didn't call, then I called her later, and she told me too that she was tired.. she'd call me tonight but I told her that yesterday, she told me she would be busy with one friend of hers... so... I say "ok, we'll see", I hang up because there was nothing more to expect about this communication. WTF would I say, once again.
She's really strange. Even yesterday night, while we were eating, at one moment, she took a part of my risotto, without asking, and then, looked at me and said "what?" I replied that she may could had asked but it seemed that no, it maybe was too difficult. Anyway, it is just some food, but even if I would have tasted what she was eating, I would have asked her before... maybe is it some difference of way to be???
Anyway, I'm sure she will not contact me anymore.
about Dora, so... she's busy today but she can't tell how long. She told she had to be with a friend to buy a new lcd tv for her, so I said "it's ok, just know I'm in shanghai right now", she then replied (always via sms) "why", I then told I could not really know how to explain it but it was just that I knew I could not go to Gz, and then, I'd maybe would see her... tomorrow.
about Flora, well. I sent her an EMF because via phone, it is like some kamikaze mission. She got it quickly and replied quickly, too, saying she would be free on monday afternoon, so that we could look together for some electronic translator, and that she was very happy to be able to see me again. (I just don't know if she really feels it or if the agency tries to add some extra contents, in fact)
So... right to now, I'd say that man takes a ticket and waits for his next date.
By the way, this afternoon, I will go visit Shanghai alone, and try to see if I can find any good electronic translator there.
I think that's all for the moment.
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Sly go get that translator mate would make your life so much better to understand with the both of you.
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I'm starting to think that chasing too many rabbits .... :angel:
I am in a different situation, I'm talking to 3 ladies, 2 are really pen pals and won't go any further (not via EMF mind you :D ), but I didn't state that to those ladies yet although they can easily tell there is no romantic content in the exchanges. Yet both pen-pals are making plans to meet me, travel around China with me and take care of me while I'm over, one even apologizes about booking a single room for herself and not sleeping with me right away (that's a new angle actually ^_^). The problem is, it's not the one's I'm after ...
Based on your going exeperience, I think I'll chase only one rabbit for this trip, and if it doesn't work out I'll test some agencie's speed dating abilities.
Do get a translator as soon as you can! Et bonne chance avec les restantes!
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Sly,
I have been reading all about your trip. You have some successes and some disappointments. If I remember correctly you told all of the women you are seeing that you are visiting other women also. I commend you for doing that but other side of that coin is what is happening. It seems to me that some of them are willing to go with you and spend a day with you but when things do not work out with another woman and you seek to fill the opening in your schedule they don't bend over backwards to fill that schedule up. You also say that some have seemed cold as ice. Well, why should they get emotionally involved? Why should they interrupt their schedule when you suddenly have an opening and you have not committed to them?
Sly I have always heard this saying and I think it applies here. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Maybe you are trying to see too many women in too short of a time period. I think you would have been better off if you had spent 3 days with one, 3 days with another and so on.
The other thing I might mention is that it appears that maybe when you get frustrated that it might carry out in your demeanor for a while. So, without realizing it you may be communicating that you are frustrated when you talk with the women.
I don't know how much longer you will be in China but if I were in your shoes I would approach the one I had the best time with and ask her is she would or had time to spend the next 3 or 4 or 5 days with you and that it would be her only. Make no promises but tell her you found that you were the most fond of her and you would like to see where it goes. Who knows you might have a time worth remembering for the rest of your life.
It would sure bring the frustration level down some.
IMHO
Shaun
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Well laid out Shaun!
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Hi Sly,
I have been reading your posts on this trip and it looks like the one you should be after is Dora, thats what I would do anyway but you do what is right for you.
Good luck and best wishes Sly.
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Hi Sly,
I have been reading your posts on this trip and it looks like the one you should be after is Dora, thats what I would do anyway but you do what is right for you.
Good luck and best wishes Sly.
Hehehe...Please refer to post 173 :angel::blush::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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I'd say go back and read Shaun's post again. Maybe a couple times.
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Welllllllllllll, like I said before, I'm not a morning person :blush: and at 7:10 am, I was up for only 8 minutes, no coffee yet and still half asleep :sleepy:, but I promise from now on I will make sure I have had at least two cups of coffee before I try to read and make posts :angel:.
Sorry guys, it made sence at the time, I think. :huh:
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Greetings Brothers,
Sly, I think I have to agree with Shaun here. From my view I think there is just too much jumping around from girl to girl. Add in the language difficulty of there english your english, no electronice translator, (Keep in mind they are severely limited for complex subjects, but would certainly make dinner etc easier) and it seems your tendency to get a little upset that is probably showing either on your face or in your body language.
You are asking these ladies to be at your beck and call whenever one doesnt show you expect the next to be waiting for your call. Unfortunately they are not like that. You have to keep in mind that these ladies are people too. They have lives and feelings and thoughts of their own.
I hate to say it Sly but if I were one of them I would be gone by now. From reading your posts so far you have asked quite a bit from them, telling them you are seeing several ladies, unwilling to commit to just one, expecting them to come running when you call etc. When things dont work out it seems you think its their fault.
Perhaps its time to look in the mirror Sylvain and take a good hard look at who is looking back. Ask yourself if you were one of these ladies would you still be willing to see you? would you be all warm and friendly and happy and willing to work at a relationship that really isnt a relationship at all but rather an occasional and casual date? If I were you I would do as Shaun and the others have suggested. Try to patch up with one lady and spend your remaining time with just her. Otherwise your trip may turn into an expensive casual dating romp with nothing accomplished but spending tme and money and getting no where but frustrated and disillusioned.
I have nothing personal against you Sly and this is only my opinion, but this is why we are all here, to support and help each other, and also if needed to give a swift kick in the rear. This is my swift kick in your rear. Feel free to take this as you wish but know that it is meant with the best intentions and your interests at heart.
Good luck and best wishes,
Zhen and Brian
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Harsh mate...very harsh:s
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Well said Brian , I will second all of your comments , with nothing further to be said , regards Robert .
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My be harsh but true.
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I agree with Brian too...bro you need to have a good time while you are here! I came to meet one lady and everything is happening! Concentrate on one lady and go out of ur way to show her this! The clock will not stop so you shouldn't either! I have wasted no time...do the same and have some fun!!!
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Syl, I'm sorry the trip isn't going according to plan. I don't think there's an easy solution though. I'm only planning on seeing 1 lady on my trip. I've spent a lot of time chatting to her. But I am taking a gigantic risk by putting all my eggs in one basket. I just found it too difficult to talk to several ladies at once.
I think you've had an interesting trip though, and would love to see some photos of your adventures!
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well well well...
I know I can be blamed for many things and because I am in contact with many ladies and so on...
Ok.
Ok too, I admit that maybe is it a good thing that I did not go to Guangzhou, because the lady who I shared so many things just don't give so many news since this morning... what to say else?
Ok I wanted to see the other ones in Shanghai, but, as it is written, they all have their own life, so they can do anything and be with anyone. It wasn't meant for sure that I'd stay 2 weeks in Shanghai...
Ok, maybe is it right too that I should look at myself in a mirror and ask what I really want and who I willy to marry maybe someday...
But...
Please let me know how man would do when he only knows each of the three lady, only a little? In one week, wouldn't man try to know a bit some more about all of those three ones and trying to see / guess who is his best suitable one?
I have exchanged many EMF's but less than 20 with each of those 3 ladies, and it was before I talked to Lyian (if my memory is good).
As they all were in Shanghai, I'd say that it would be good to have any plan B if the plan A would run away.
So, let's talk about those 3 ladies, and the only few things I can know from each of them :
- Flora : her real name is Qing, she is only 27 and lives in Guangzhou but works in Shanghai. She is the first of those 3 ladies to have sent me a private mail (from her personal one, so) with a picture of her and a little message in english. Quite beautiful, nothing to say about it. But... She never replied to any of my mails, even if it was in chinese or in english...I just can't tell you why, she never said it to me...
Via EMF's, she was always sweet but only talked a little from her. I can't either say if she prefers black color or white one, if she likes France or not... she said me she was learning english but.. when I met her, she said me she didn't... so that you can easily imagine that for most of askings I had asked her via chnlove, I had to do it once again, face to face... but most of time, she was upset, because of the language barrier.
However, she is quite a nice person and beautiful, but because of the language barrier without any translator, it is very difficult to share many good things together. I know she said her parents were traditional but they may can like foreigners... That's just a bit some news, would I say.
- Dora : Her real name is Hui Xu, she is 28 and works in a company (import/export). Since the beginning, she is very friendly, and her name is just "funny" because Dora is also the cartoon my daughter likes watching whenever possible. Well, she's very good in english and is very nice, gives good advices but... how to say... the chemistry is not really here... :-/
I like her, for sure, I enjoyed talking with her many hours but there's a little something missing. Maybe do I ask too much, I don't know.
However, she's the first chinese lady who was "quickly" so sweet with me.
Just to say something more : when I had to leave for Guangzhou, she didn't give any news, I had to ask her via SMS how she was, and then she replied. But since we left each other, she did not give in fact any news. Anyway, she knew I would see other ladies and, as she said, "letters are not face to face" or something like this, meaning that via letters, it could be very good and so on, but face to face, the chemistry would be more "active".
Even Lyian told me about it. And that's quite normal, even if sometimes, man runs and doesn't go slowly, but surely.
So now, about Cecilia :
Her real name is An Na, but don't ask me why she's Cecilia.
She is in fact only 30 since beginning of September. (I was wrong yesterday about the ages :( )
She's working in the advertising/media (if my memory is good, she is like some "journalist", "interviewer".
she never travelled outside China, her parents live in her hometown, and since I speak with her, most of time, I got some longs news, some other ones, some short ones. She is beautiful on pictures (via CHNLOVE) but more in real. Her english is very good but because of my accent, most of time she doesn't understand me clearly. We never really spoke about marriage via EMF's letters, in fact, but she told me that she met some men but that she didn't find the righteous one.
I think that, because sometimes she is "as cold as ice", it is because she must try to understand first my english sentence, then to translate it again. I'll need to confirm about it ASAP.
She said me she really liked me, but...I'll post some more about it tomorrow, as for now, it is almost 02:00 am in China.
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Greetings Brothers,
Mike, I think you may have mis understood what I was saying to Sly. I was trying to point out that he is trying to see multiple different women and is not having much success. It seems whenever one cannot meet him he says he basically goes down the list trying to set something up with a diffferent one. I was merely trying to point out that they are people too and may not be willing/ able to do that on his terms. I certainly dont expect Sly to be able to pick the one on such short notice, but I do think he is having a real hard time with scheduling and communicating.
Even though all the girls know about the others and they are fine with it it must be hard for them to warm up or commit anything other than casual contact since none of them including Sly know where its going to lead. I think perhaps things have gotten a bit out of control for Sly with the schedules, and language etc and its starting to fall apart. Hence my advice to try to pick one for the duration and hopefully have a successful end to his trip.
I certainly do not want to see the ladies or Sly get hurt from this and I am not trying to force my methods on him. I am merely pointing out things that he said himself. Difficulty in communicating, the ladies being hot and cold or even cold as ice. How he feels angry and upset sometimes and I think they can see it. Sometimes when we are in the situation we cannot see what the problem is. After all is this not why we are here? To lend support and offer advice. We all know not everyone does things the same way and often the advice given may sound harsh or offensive even. But think on this, if we didnt care about Sly in particular in this case we would not offer any advice at all.
I for one would be very happy if Sly were to return to France and be able to say that he has found a connection with one of these ladies and in the end his trip was a success. I think after his last trip and the way things are going on this trip he needs some success and is due for it.
Sly, I hope you do not take any personal offence from what I have written to you. I never meant any of it in a harmfull or disrespectful way. I think that since you are living it you just may not see things as clearly as we do looking in from the outside. Of course I may just be out in left field and totally nuts. Bottom line is we want you to have fun and a successful trip. If a swift kick can help you see things clearer then its worth it dont you think?
Anyway I hope this clears my point of view a bit but also keep in mind, its just my opinion and you dont have to listen to it. I will let others say what they will but I dont see any point in not offering advice if I think it may help. That is why we are all here after all, to give and receive advice and manage our way to the greatest happiness a man can know.
Regards,
Zhe and Brian
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Dear Brothers,
Be sure that for many reasons, I have many respect for all of you and that, for sure, I'm not angry because of what you can give as advices/comments.
Being for most of you, older than me, is also a sign and a proof that you have some more experience and a "better" way to think than me (I think you understand what I'm tryin' to say, so)
I think that for sure, if I'd spend 3 days with one lady, 3 other days with another one and just a few days with another one again, it might be more "easy".
Whatever happens, about Dora, even if she kissed me first, just remember too that the next day, she just gave me the hand and no kissed anymore. But it's ok for me, anyway.
But, as said in my previous post, even if she's beautiful, there's still "un certain je ne sais quoi" which is missing to say she's really the righteous one for me.
Maybe about Flora could it be nicer if, for sure, I'd had an electronic translator. In fact, I'm going to buy one today, so I will train with it :)
Cecilia is someone very special : in fact, she's very beautiful and I often feel shy when I see her and when we are walking together, hand to hand. She even let me pass my arm around her and seems to like it.
So I would like to speak about her because... of yesterday.
Right to now, to be honest, I just know more about Cecilia than about Dora and Flora.
First, I was in Shanghai this afternoon because I wanted to find and buy some electronic translator. Maybe some of you would say "what for, as you're leaving now in a few days..."
and some maybe would be happy... well, whatever happens, the fact is here, I was in a big shop where there are lot of electronical components, phones, videogames, displays, gps, memories, and translators, too.
So, I've checked for some one and I found one which is quite interesting, but the price is about 1450 rmbs' (with lot of functions, many dictionaries included, as english, french, german....). Its name DC-18 or something like this. It seems to be a good besta translator but I didn't buy it, as I didn't have enough money on me...
So, when I was back to the hotel, I saw that Cecilia called me. I then called her back and she tried to contact me 3 times in the afternoon.
We then saw each other in front of her flat, and we went eating in a ... chinese food. She was happy to see me, gave me the hand, was sweet...
Well. I was a bit "surprized", would I say, but ... it was ok.
A thing that made me smile, she better understood me in english, and learnt me a few words in shanghainese, too.
So, when we walked together and were eating, most of time, she gave me her hands, she looked at me several times with "tenderness?" and I thought something was a bit different from yesterday.
She then told me that her night was quite short, she sleeped bad and that she was a bit "angry" this morning but that she was better this afternoon.
One song was diffused and it was "Glenn Meideiros : Nothing's gonna change my love for you..."
Cecilia seemed to know the song very good and she sang easily on it. She was smiling and happy, it was nice to see her like this.
When finishing to eat, we just went outside and she wanted to show me her college where she was before. She was very happy to share that moment with me, as it was very important for her because of many memories she had. She even tried to contact someone who was there with her but I think the other one was not free.
At that moment, she looked at me and she said she had something to tell me.
So, I said her I was listening, and she told me about her, about me, together, and about marriage.
She said I'm an interesting man, and gentle, nice, and that she really likes me. She made up her mind yesterday at night when going back home about me, and when she told me about going to visit her hometown, in fact, I was right. It is because her parents still live there so that she would introduce me to them.
I think that now, everybody here clearly knows what it means.
She opened my shirt slowly and looked at me with a big smile (oh God, for sure, she wasn't cold!!! :D) and saw my pills (a few ones) and she was happy ("not many", she said to me while smiling) and I looked at her, I said that yes, just a few. She seemed to be happy. We then talked about my arms, (under it) and I saw that I shaved it because I didn't really like. To her, I think it meant I was "careness" about my body and many other things like this.
I also excused myself that I didn't shave me at morning, she said "it's ok" and she then talked about marriage again, saying she would be very happy to be with me, but how she would do once in France, even if for sure, she doesn't speak french at all.
I then talked about some stages where she can learn french, at first time, and then, looking for some jobs, even if it doesn't please her, because each job earns money back home, whatever man can do, and whatever he likes his job or not, even for a few time.
She was ok with it, because she told me she didn't want to be the woman who stays at home everyday, cleaning, washing, and many other things that some Macho's men can like.
She told me that up to now, only her ex-boyfriend had seen her parents, so, if I would had to do the same, it would be for her parents the 2d time she would introduce someone to them.
I asked her if they could like a foreigner, she looked at me and said "I don't know". I think because she didn't speak to them about me, right now.
About her parents, they live on a little island, in fact man can go there only with a boat, and there are many islands. All of it are some little towns, and when she talks to me about it, she's very happy.
I said her too that if we would marry and that if she would come in France, I would be behind her everyday to motivate her and to help her, just because at first, she'd be lost, another country, no family, no friends... it is very hard, I can easily understand it.
She looked at me many times, she looked my eyes, she even laid her head on my legs, just to "rest" a bit and was happy.
I was thinking about a kiss, but I also told me that the moment would maybe not be very "good". Just because I would do things slowly, but surely. Anyway, I think that up to now, I did the good choice about it.
I told Cecilia that when I'm in a relationship, I am always gentle, sweet, but that she already could see it, because of my way to be with her.
She is thinking so about "if" we marry and about going to see her hometown before I could leave Shanghai. She already know that it would be a short time.
But, well, I must admit that I take care about me in that relationship, just because it is only with many "if" that she talks to me about her and me, together :)
So, if she said to me that she really likes me, it doesn't mean that she loves me. I think this word is very important and that, for sure, I'd like some comments about most of you, Brothers, who are now married.
Before you got married, did your lady tell you that she loved you?
And did you share many kisses before, too?
I can guess that can be some stupid questions, but to me, being introduced to her parents without any "kiss" between her and me would just sound a bit strange.
And to me, to love is not to like. Even if, for sure, she says me she really likes me.
Well.
I told her what I thought about her, anyway, that, most of times, when I talked to her on the phone, she seemed to be "distant", as cold as ice, so, and I tried to explain her why I felt it. She looked at me and said "mei guan xi" (nevermind, so) but it is maybe "normal", i don't know. and that sometimes, I see her in the street, she gives me the hand, then, she keeps it away from mine, she walks alone, then, she comes back to me. And the reply "mei guan xi", still here :p
It seems that she really knows what she wants, and as we will see each other today, I'll try to know some more about her and to see how everything would be, with her
I also forgot to thank you, Mpo', about your comment on the food, because, yesterday, she shared with me her meal at the restaurant, and she even gave me something to eat directly in my mouth. She was very happy, so were I, even if a bit surprized, at first, but it was ok.
Well, I also feel a bit "away", sometimes, just because I had some feelings (very good ones) for Lyian, and that, as An Na (Cecilia) talks me about marriage, I don't want anyway to say myself "it didn't work with her, just marry another one) even if it would seem stupid to have thought about some nice things with Lyian... but once again, it is difficult to understand it, because we never saw each other face to face.
I admit anyway that I really like Cecilia and that I'm really happy to see her. She's beautiful, clever, she knows what she wants, so she's "direct" when talking about something,
So, I think that, related to her, there's a door opened and that I have a choice to do in the following days. I know what it means, including my way to be with Dora and Flora, also.
Anyway, I will see Cecilia this afternoon, she should call me at 05:00 pm (I don't know what she can do before, don't ask to me, but I suppose she can have a life and wants to see some friends or something to do... I don't know, but anyway, I'll find something to do :) )
and by the way, I'll check with her for an electronic translator and maybe a chinese mobile, because she can't call me when I'm outside the hotel, she can only call in China.
I think that's all for the moment.
Maybe some update later, maybe some pictures about her if she lets me take her in photo, in fact :)
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Sylvain, try and find a China Mobile sim card for 100RMB in most phone shops, and if not, there are plenty of cheap dual sim phones available so you don't have to carry two around ...
Bonne continuation!
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Voice', I was thinking about it, but for 100 RMB, isn't there any chance for it to be only some fake ones?
In fact, I would like to have at the same time a chinese mobile phone (with chinese simcard, so, and to use with my french simcard) but I don't know if it's really possible, even if there are some with dual sim cards inside.. I've asked someone from the hotel, he doesn't know if it's really possible, I'll have to see, so.
by the way, I'm going to the big shop once again this morning, and to another place, to look for some shoes for me (my shoes just look like "old white shoes", even if I can still use it for walking, running and so on...:fi_lone_ranger: )
Merci l'ami ;)
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Bro...I have little experience with women in China...but I feel universally women enjoy a nice kiss...if the mood is right...don't hesitate...just go for it! My lady and I wasted no time for kissing! I do the out-in-the-open respect thing...but in Taxi's, her home, restaurants ...she loves a nice kiss! Well, we are currently a couple hours away from each other(by plane) but they are the same everywhere! Just remember, Shanghai is a big city with big western influence....just like Changsha! LOL:icon_biggrin:
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Little update on that Sunday.
I went to a shop to look for some new shoes but I didn't find what I wanted (some baskets) I also have some shoes for city but I just didn't find... well, it doesn't matter :)
So, I asked a taxi to take me to another place where I could buy a new phone, but just to receive and call in China (dual simcard not really needed in fact), and I got to the place about 35 mins later because of a car which was out of order on the motorway, otherwise I could had gone there quickly.
Then, the taxi driver showed me the place, it is like a market inside a building, on 3 floors. I checked at many phones, and there were some youngs which were at a stand, I asked them, they were friendly and we spoke about 20 mins together, where I was from, what I wanted as phone, why I was in China, and many other things. Thanks to a lady and another boy, I could easily talk in english and say what I wanted as phone, a simple one, so, just to call and receive calls in China.
About 340 rmb's so with a phone, simcard included.
I've tested it and there's no problem.
I then sent Cecilia my phone number, so she "should" contact me on my new number.
By the way, I had a fake copy of Iphone... and my french simcard works into it without any problems. I thought it couldn't but it can... strange?
Mike, about Cecilia, I don't know what to think about it, in fact, because if I have to see her parents before having a kiss, it still would sound strange to me. I know that different country, different culture, but how to say "here is my new boyfriend but I've never kissed him" ?
By the way, I'll see how things will evolve as we should see this afternoon.
I wanted to go with her to look for an electronic translator. If she doesn't come, I'll go alone, I think it would have been good anyway because she might be helpful to say what can be good or not, and as she's chinese, she can ask more specificities :)
Oh, I forgot to say, but, by the way, I've lost 2 kgs since I'm here ^^ 'seems like going to the swimming pool everyday is quite good, and not drinking any coke nor eating any big mac and pizzas is quite helpful, too :D
Any news later, Brothers.
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Sylvain, good that you got a phone, but the Chinese phones work fine with French SIMs, it's mostly GSM based, just 3G might not work over here. When I got a SIM for 100RMB last time over, the sales person tested the card in my phone before I had to pay, so don't worry about fakes really as long as you buy in a shop. Anyway 340RMB for an iPhone rip-off sounds like a good deal to me :D
Also I think kissing before meeting the parents is acceptable, maybe she's just waiting for you to show some initiative ^_^ The rest might need parental approval, and if she's a virgin, you won't get much more before marriage.
And by the way, I think that you would look quite silly with "baskets" on your feet (basket = panier en Français :D), you mean sneakers I'm sure!
Best of luck!
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sly...Congrats my friend. Celilia sounds like a wonderful lady... On the plus side she LIKES YOU :icon_biggrin:
About kissing her, this will come with time and will happen when you are ready, God man, she has laid her head on your knee's and has been a little intimate with you, so the opportunity will arise again:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
I cannot say anything about phone or translator so best of luck with those:s
As has been said, maybe she wants to introduce you to her parents, and this would give her 'Big Face' (I Think) by telling her parents, yes this is the person I want to be with, he is a laowei and he is chivalrise he has not even kissed me yet. I think this would show the parents that you (the laowei) is not just there for sex!!!:icon_biggrin: I may be wrong here this is just what I think.:blush:
Best of luck Sly, I am really enjoying your posts...:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Many thanks for all the comments :)
by the way, I maybe said something "wrong" to Cecilia, in fact, Yesterday I told her that she could come to my hotel, so that in fact, later we could go somewhere, together, instead that I go by taxi to her home and waiting for her (even 2 secs ^^)
In fact, this afternoon (she's still not here) I had to call her, she said she'll call me in 30 mins, 50 were gone, I called again, and then she told me "you say I come to your hotel, right?" and I replied, "err, well, I told it, yes, I do remember" and she said "ok, so, I need ... #personal clothes#"
and she said, "ok I'll call when I'll arrive"...
so, maybe does in fact she thinks I wanted her to sleep here with me? If so, anyway, I got a room with 2 beds, so that's not a problem.
Well, I'll see once she'll be here.
Voice', your english is better than mine, for sure. Sneakers, isn't it some kind of food that man can eat, too? :D or shall I say "snikers"? :D
And for the simcard, I paid in fact 60 rmbs'. Lot of fake phones were to sold, and some were real ones (when man sees the price, he better has to check the quality :D)
About Cecilia, Scottish, you may be right about the kissing and the meeting with her parents, I still don't know what to think about it, but... as nothing is really "done" and that it is not really an "official asking" from her (only based on "if"), so, we'll see how things would evolve.
Now, I'm waiting... & wanting...
that just reminds about a lion, sitting down on the grass, and those words just under the picture.
"Waiting & wanting"... funny a bit...
Let's see if tonight will be like some rock'n'roll or more like a rollercoaster.... :D
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Sly,
This is all good news. The situation settles down a little and the way you are talking calms down too.
For those who commented, I don't think I ever said go to one woman and stick with her. I said that was what I would do. I suggested for him the better plan might be to spend 2 or 3 days with one before seeing another. I am no expert here on Chinese women since I haven't been there to be with a woman yet but I based my suggestion on what has been said over and over again on this site.
It appears to me that when Sly did not go to Gz that Cecilia changed her attitude toward him. Why would she do that? There are two possible reason I can see. 1. Sly did not go to Gz to see the other woman. 2. She thought about Sly and decided he was worth getting to know and would take the chance. Or it could be a combination of both. But regardless of what her mindset is, mission accomplished. Sly is have a great time with a beautiful woman that he wanted to get to know.
Sly you are doing great it appears so enjoy getting to know Cecilia and if she is not the one; you still have 3 more names.
Shaun
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And Sly sing the song to her
'Cecilia.... Your breaking my heart, your shaking my confidence daily...':angel:
This will 'melt' her heart also...;-)):icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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I just got 3 other names..
that lady is just... a nightmare and it was a rollercoaster.
I don't know how it is in China when you tell someone "I call you at 05:00 pm" but in western countries, when you can't call, or if it's late, you send a message..
Not at all with Cecilia... I had to call her two times..
and she never took the taxi to come, though...
Well.
I've been talking to her via phone, she's very very very cold as ice. 'seems like as she bad sleeped before yesterday, she was very tired this afternoon. I told her that she could had say it to me and not saying "I'm coming, ok"... but no, she maybe thought that it would be a good idea to make me waiting for nothing...
It seems like a big misunderstood too but I never told her to sleep in the same bed as me (she hang up 2 times)... well.
Enough is enough about this lady...
I'm wasting my time with her.
I asked her what she did today "I worked things"... she just told me that... and yesterday, she told me that she wasn't working? maybe that "working things" is doing something special, like some administrative papers, I don't know...
anyway, she told me that if I can not understand her today, we won't talk tomorrow..
I'd say... sad but true, she is really not good at all.
and as I don't want about a lovestory with blindlove.... :icon_arrow: OUT
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Hey this sounds like a loftstory scenario ^_^ Don't eat your sneakers! :D
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What I hate most of all is a hang-up when man is talking on the phone...
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Well Sly, I don't care for being hung up on either. It's rude. My lady does not do it. There were times when she laid the phone down and went to do something and even this I told her not to do. To say "please hold on" or "be right back".
It doesn't seem like she's trying to help? I think she wants you to chase her? "Yes Dear, what ever you want"
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Sorry but I don't really understand your last sentence, Vince :-s
do you want to say, to chase her, so, to let her go away, so?
like "yes, yes, go on talking to me, I'm no more here"?
And as she hang up 3 times, no, for sure, she was more angry...
She wasn't honest at all, that's all I can see.
Yesterday she told me "I call you tomorrow at 05:00 pm.." but even at 05:20 pm she didn't call, I called her and she could tell me that she could not see me.. no , she just said "I am in the taxi, I am going to my home"... well.. i'm sorry but I didn't really hear the taxi nor the horns as man can often hears when in China...
And why did she say that yes, she will take a taxi to go and see me...
No, really, too strange !
Anyway, I don't like being with someone who is cold, then warm, then cold, then warm...
I don't really believe she really could have loved me...
Maybe did she just want a visa to go outside China, that's all...
Well.
I've sent her an EMF just to thank anyway for the good times together and said sorry if there was misunderstanding, because I never asked her to sleep in my bed at the hotel (she thought I asked that...)
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" I think she wants you to chase her? "Yes Dear, what ever you want"
She may want you to chase after her. You call her, she won't call you. You make the dates, she will let you know if she wants to? This is the attitude of some women we call here "Stuck Up". They assume they are to pretty so they want the man to do everything for them. Some men like this? I don't care for it. It's this frame of mind some women have. You want their company you pay one way or another.
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Ohhh ok, I think I can understand it.
well, I will go sleeping, that would be better :)
see you, vince ;)
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Sly,
Sorry to hear here is trouble. Better you move on. I hope you find woman more suitable for you. I said you should stick with one at a time and now I feel back. Is there another women that want to see you?
Shaun
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Well, from what I have as news from the 2 other ladies :
Flora is ill and is at the doctor, she told me via an EMF that she would need some rest and would had to go out of Shanghai for her work.
Dora is busy but might call me later (no date fixed, no hour)
Cecilia ... ### case closed ####
and I got some news about Lyian, 'seems like she's missing our talkings and so on, she said she'll write me today.
Up to now... back to the beginning....
Once upon a time....
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Wow, Sly, this is not good ..... I understand you not wanting to waste more time .... this is something you cannot figure out in EMF letters ....
As we all know...EMF's are hard to figure out at anytime! The Third Party Dictations!!! I am the ignorant person here(I have no prob admitting this) but you guys need to learn how to communicate outside of the EMF'S...geeez!!! QQ, MSN, YAHOO...anything but them EMF's...OK I won't saying anything more on this...just need to figure this stuff out! I wish the best for all of you and you all find what your looking for! Again Sylvain, I wish the best 4 ya bro! :icon_biggrin:
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Yes I can recommend not talking through EMFs all the time. MSN is great, I can now send pretty good chinese, and my lady sends me English. We now only use EMFs for important things. Seeing my lady on Skype was also great, so I have established that she looks as good as her profile pics and I also know she has a lovely voice :icon_cheesygrin:.
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Hemmm...
well... this day is a bit like a rollercoaster too but in positive.
I went to the big shop to look and buy a good electronic translator and I found the Super 5100 (many dictionaries inside), for about 1200 rmb's.
I'll speak about it later, but maybe did anyone here has even tried it ?
I then had a message from Lyian, sayin' me she could see me if I wanted to go there again. we talked a bit quickly, she was at work and so, I said I had to check... but for sure, I was happy she could see me, finally.
Well.
I checked on the web, but no way to get a flight for Gz without any chinese credit card in less than the 24 hours following your chosen flight (for example, today for tomorrow), via WWW.CTRIP.COM
I tried many websites, many problems, but finally, I could check and book one via EXPEDIA. But the number for the hotline is a 0800 and no way to call it since another country than in France.
So, I'll be in Gz tonight, upon Saturday.
I'll give any more news once there (I just have to confirm at the airport that I can go there, as I don't have any seat booked... just the flight is ok, but not any seat... :( I hope it would be good anyway :s)
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Thanks about your advice, Mike, I will have to think about it for the next trips :) or when I will be in Gz, too :)
I have to leave, see you later :)
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Sly,
Please tell me what are you really trying to accomplish? You seem to be running around China like a Chicken with your head cut off. If you want my opinion. Set down with each of these women with a good translator, either real or computerized. Ask them what they are looking for, then tell them what you are looking for. If it is the same great, go to the next step. if not, go to the next woman. you seem to be running a game here. you are not really communicating with them. You have one thinking you have asked her to come to sleep with you, another wanting you to come back to her hometown for who knows what, a third one who you just talked to for 5 minutes. Man, just sit down and ask yourself what are you really trying to accomplish with this trip. Is it to confuse as many women as you can? Or to confuse yourself? Jesus. I am sorry but i have read two trips from you and you do not seem to really know what you want. I had you write a lady I know, she said she had no idea what you wanted, other than you loved your daughter. While that is great, she was totally confused by you. I suggest this. Sit down with a human translator. Tell him/her what you want and are looking for. have him/her call each lady. tell them and see which one is looking for the same thing. the ones that are, make an appointment to see. make sure you can communicate with them. it seems to me that the way you are now going about it is just nonsense. Look, you are the one going to see them. It is upon yourself to be able to communicate with them, not the other way around. I do not mean to be mean here. I just think you are spinning your wheels wasting your time and a lot of money. If you want to lay into me, fine go ahead.
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Jim, I know everything you said what said with the best of intentions, and I can see why it was said...But man maybe just a tad harsh !!!
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Yeah, that was harsh Jim, but maybe it was needed.
I learned an interesting thing once. You need to know who you are, and what you want. They are big questions, and it takes a bigger man to answer them.
I have answered both on my profile. I have told the ladies exactly who I am, and what I am looking for.
Syl has had a great trip though. Life is for living, and I'm sure he'll remember this trip for the rest of his life :sleepy:.
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Sylvain,
my sincerest hope is that this thread does not compete with your Chongqing thread for the title of the longest thread on Chinalove.
I like rollercoasters, but they always make me feel sick afterwards. Maybe because I am older than you, I prefer staying in, curled up with a beautiful woman and watching a DVD, then turning the TV off.
I hope when you get off the plane and come down to earth, you give your singular and unwavering attention to the lady who maybe was always your favourite. Don't compare her with anyone else. She is unique. And if the spark is there, create a fire, and keep it burning.
Aux armes, citoyen!
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you guys need to learn how to communicate outside of the EMF'S...geeez!!! QQ, MSN, YAHOO...anything but them EMF's...
Yes, of course you are right....but getting on to QQ etc seems to be as hard as pulling teeth. I have found a serious resistance to getting to this stage with many, many women who I have corresponded with for a while on EMF's...I still havent figured out why it is so difficult / scary for them...or is it the translator resisting the change from revenue generating EMF's. ??...I am sure all of us "prospecting" dont have any problem with the idea of QQ etc, but I dont know how we "learn" to do this..........most of them make some odd excuses ......so, if you have any magic formulas to make it happen...share them please !!!!!!!
DavidE
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Yes Mike
All good stuff and I completely agree with your analysis....I can certainly understand that to "go solo" on QQ after the technical and financial burden of getting and installing acomputer is a terrifying thought for any Woman....especially if she is not confident with English etc etc....
But I guess my point is, it is difficult to envisage that any of the Agencies doesnt have web-cam facilities...so why dont they encourage women to use them.
I know there is an added complication that the women might not live close to the Agency and travel might be difficult in some circumstances....but I dont yet know why the web-cam experience, at the Agency, WITH a translator is such a hard thing to achieve !!!
That is why I wonder if it is the Agency trying to protect EMF revenue....but then again, maybe I am getting parnoid about it all ...possibly data overload from reading all the "disaster" posts :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
I realise that you went to Chinato meet Jessica after not having any face-to-face contact, and you won the prize, but for me, I aint going to meet anyone again unless I have some more solid idea about her , more than I can get from an EMF !!
Cheers David
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It's my opinion that the ladies involved in a relationship with a western man should be prepared to put as much into that relationship as the man. If they are as keen on progressing that relationship as the man is. There are several ways they can improve communications if they put there mind to it!!. For a start there are internet cafe's everywhere. If they don't know anything about computers, to use such facilities, then there's nothing stopping them from learning.
Why is it, that these ladies are not prepared to match the commitment, that the men they are involved with are?? It seems that we are always making excuses for a lot of these ladies, as to why they cant do this or that. If they are serious about the man, why are they not making that extra effort that there men are??
As i have said, there are internet cafe's everywhere, or they can buy a secondhand computer/laptop. It doesn't need a high end one, in fact the most basic unit is more than capable of processing emails and IM's and even webcam.
I think some of the problems arise from the agencies themselves, by trying to block any such extra communication for as long as possible, protecting there revenue from the EMF's, but not all problems can be attributed to these agencies.
Personally, if i couldn't see some effort from the lady i was involved in, to progress our relationship after say a month or so, then i would be seriously thinking about moving on. I would also be letting the lady know that i was disappointed of her reluctance to improve our communication levels beforehand.
To my view, a relationship, especially one that is initially taking place over the internet needs equal commitment, we are both looking/seeking a life long partner, when all said and done. Doesn't that deserve your full commitment on ''both'' sides of the relationship?? It does in my book!!!
David....
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David5o,
Now if we could get you to go to China and explain it to all of our women beginning with mine then we would all be better off. Thanks for the advice and offer to go in my behalf, in advance. :icon_cheesygrin:
Shaun
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David, I agree with your comment.
The fact is, when man is in his western country, most of the women say "I am very happy to know that we will meet soon".
Once the meeting is done, I see that some ladies do act like "it's ok, I've seen him one/two times, now I can do what I want... I'll see if I'll see him again before he leaves"
Well. Ok.
I can easily admit that they have work, that they have life. But via EMF's, there are always more feelings which are like "i miss you, i want to take you to beautiful places... " and so on.
Maybe should I say in fact that I am unlucky, if many of you have never lived that kind of thing?
Jim, reading your comment lets me a bit "suspicious"?
If I well remember, you told me about a lady in Beijing and told me many good things about her. You even said me to write a letter to her and that she would write back..but I had to send you the letter just because you didn't want me to give me directly her mail adress.
Whatever you would reply, the thing is that she never wrote back. Not even a "hello, sorry, you're not the kind of man I'm looking for..." So, why are you talking about her? You want to show me the kind of ladies who can not write if there is something she can not understand at all? I think (if my memory is good) that I said in the end of my letter that if she wanted to ask me any questions, she could. And why would I say in the first letter what I'm looking for? Is there any law which say that man MUST talk about it?
Jim, and the lady who I said she could even "sleep" at the hotel and the lady who wanted to introduce me to her parents, she's the same...
To me, things were clear when I had to go and see Lyian. That's why I told about her in my thread.
But as I could not see her before, I didn't know too how things could have been with the 3 other ladies.
If any of them were/are looking for true love, well, just try to tell me if true love means "I see you 4 days on two weeks, that's enough." ?
I just can see that, since I am with Lyian (except today because she had to go working), she is really as in her letters, the same as when I speak to her via QQ and she is very nice and beautiful.
Well, as she said before we meet "I need the face to face to know if there can be something between you and me". Now, I'd just say that we'll see how things will evolve as I will be 4-5 days with her (same hotel, same room).
I think I don't have to be blamed because I never meant to play with ladies's feelings. If I said that I would see many ladies, To me, things were clear at first that Dora, Flora and Cecilia were meant to be as "good friends" when I first saw each of them. Ok everyone knows what happened next.
I'm not trying to "beat" any record in any thread. I could easily stop here and don't tell what could happen in the following days. So, I don't why there's that comment?
So, now, I'd just say I'm waking up and I'll go for a walk in Gz, as I don't know what to do until Lyian comes back tonight at 08:00 pm.
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Yep...thats how i see it David et al.........just a small show of "determination", "reciprocation" or willingness to give some level of attention to demonstrate that she is keen to progress the relationship, would for me be a BIG "Green Flag".
I get tired of being the one who has to make ALL the running....because I am looking for a partner...not a Boss !!!
All of us here are prepared to take a big chance, jump on a plane at great cost in time and money, for the privilege of being rejected ...or maybe not.
It is not unreasonable to get some signals that there is a real purpose in making this journey ? Both parties have much to gain if it all works out.........maybe it cant be 50:50 in the early days because of language/culture and all the impediments we read about here...Agencies/EMF revenue etc etc....but some help to assist our decision would be a big help indeed !!
DavidE
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Mike and David E., I understand everybodies situation is unique...what isn't unique is computers and internet access in this country...unless the lady lives in the sticks(she won't be able to afford paying an agency to find western husband), these women have access!!! You all have the right to disagree with me and say I'm wrong, I really don't care, I haven't had these problems...of course, I can't speak for the over half a billion women in China, butt here in Changsha and in Wuhan, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, and Macau this ISN'T the case...access to computers and China's popular IM program QQ, isn't a problem...like David50 said ...if these women are equally interested in you, they will find a way to communicate outside them EMF's...I won't tell you guys to pressure these women immediately but after a month(this being a very long time), you need to broaden your communciation with these women...if you choose not to, this is your choice...I choose to go as far as I can...if I'm travelling that far to meet this women, I will not settle for EMF'S only...my choice!!! I also know that at least one agency charges these women to transfer QQ information! So again...everybodies situation is unique, if you choose EMF's only...I wish you the best of luck!:icon_cheesygrin:
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Just another thought to add to Mike's thoughts is the fact that being able to type Chinese characters might be difficult as well. I still don't fully know how it's accomplished. Chinese is horribly awkward to write, so I guess most Chinese will just pick up a phone and call each other.
Hell, my dad can barely use a keyboard and there are only 26 characters to look for :huh:.
I am lucky that my lady has an IT job and is familiar with QQ etc.. But I guess a lady who lives in a small town and owns a shop may not have used a computer before.
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Mike,
I think you maybe mistaken in your assessment of the amount of women that can use computers in the over 35 age group. If you visit the internet cafe's the next time you visit China, you will see many middle aged ladies useing computers. They learn to use them, to keep in touch with their children that are studying at Universities in other cities, or other family members that are in different provinces etc, etc!!
The fact remains, that in a relationship that they want to be in, does require them to have just that little more determination and willingness to do whatever is neccessary to overcome the terrible drawbacks of trying to progress that relationship over the internet. If that means learning about how to use a computer, (and it only requires a short beginners course)
Then quite frankly i don't think that's too much to ask. The end result, is what they are here for, ...to find a husband that is suitable for them!!!!
David....
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I'm with Mike on this issue.
My target age group is 40 +, and I have a devil of a job getting any of them to get on to QQ or similar.
It may be cultural, it may be Agency pressure to continue EMF's...or it maybe phases of the Moon...!!!!!! I just dont know why it is such a hassle.
If it was an isolated or rare occurrence, i would say..."ho hum" and move on. But it is epidemic amongst this age group...and yet, they are the ones who are most probably dead in the water as regards a future marriage in China and should be very receptive of a Western man......and try a bit harder to assist the relationship to develop...............especially with someone as admirable as me :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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Mike/David....
As i say, i can only relay here what I've seen/witnessed with my own eyes, in not one internet cafe, but several over quite a few cities and provinces. I have also seen the younger generation in these internet cafe's, always willing to help the middle aged women if they hit a problem.
Now most of the bigger internet cafes have private cubicles or small rooms for those wanting to communicate via IM/webcam, So many of these internet cafe's are quite sophisticated in there set-up. Many, i have noticed actually give lessons on internet use too.
Mike/David, ...i'm not saying that most middle aged women know how to use a computer, i'm saying that it's much more than you would first think. From what i understand from Lucy, not too long ago the government was encouraging the over 40's to take up a government financed computer training programme, something like a re-training for the future scheme.
David....
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Greetings Brothers,
Well an interesting discussion to be sure.
The first lady I wrote to was typical. No computer, email current or unshopped photos etc. So basically emf's or nothing.
Zhen on the other hand no computer no email no current photos or unshopped ones etc. However as soon as I mentioned webcam she was all for it, went to the agency got it arranged and it happened. When I went to see her in Sept. I knew what she looked like her mannerisms from the webcams etc. Now she has an electronic translator, her son to help with the english, she has the computer and we webcam virtually every day for at least an hour.
I think the thing here is the level of trust they have with the person they are writing to. As I mention so many times Zhen and I are a perfect fit and there has never been any doubt for either of us so these things happen for us naturally. With the first lady she couldnt get past my divorce so nothing progressed as far as communication is concerned.
I think if they can learn to trust you then it will happen if they are not there yet it wont. Simple as that . Oh and Zhen will be 43 on Oct 17
Regards,
Zhen and Brian
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I do not know the numbers, but I would guess that the number of acceptable profiles would go down from 7,500 to about 1,500 or even less, women in China just do not use computers ... and in my case I was only looking at women who were 35 or older, and I did not find ANY, in that age range (not yet) that can effectively use computers.
Maybe women under 25 use them more, but over 35 .... I do not see it at all...
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Mike,
I know seven women in Wuhan, 35 and older, that have computers and use QQ frequently...also I now, know over 20 here in Changsha, 40 and older that use computers and QQ all the time!!! They have to pay agency for exchanging QQ info with man! If they are not very interested in man they will not pay...also I understand these women, like any others, anywhere are looking for a man close in age(within 10 years) and if the women are under 35 this is even more so!!! Suckers and very wealthy men can communicate, marry, eventually bring home, to find out later women was only after visa and/or money!!!! We can live in fantasy or reality...another choice!!!
Jim
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Well I hope you make a list of them to share with some of the brothers here, because they sure would like to talk to Chinese women in this way, and not be stuck using only EMF's !! :icon_biggrin:
and I agree, about the 10 year range .... my lady is 11 years younger then me ... right on the edge of what I would take seriously ... but she is very comfortable with me, and with us as a couple.
enjoy your trip bro!!
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Mike
Thanks Mike! I know two women that are available, this moment! They are 40 and 42 years of age...both have QQ...LOL...and I can provide pics of them...best part, no agency required...They look for men that are between the ages of 40 and 52...yeah third party communication...SUCKS...especially the greedy ones!!! These women are enjoyable to hangout with and are decent looking...I personally feel a man would be lucky to have them as a wife! And there is more, that my girlfriend knows!
Jim :icon_cheesygrin:
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Mr peter griffin. I think you are having wayyyyyyyyyy too much fun over there. Ya need to wait for me ya know. Dont make me have to talk to your girl bout men on QQ. hehehehe.
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Thanks Mike! I know two women that are available, this moment! They are 40 and 42 years of age...both have QQ...LOL...and I can provide pics of them...best part, no agency required...They look for men that are between the ages of 40 and 52...
Bigbutt
So are these 2 ladies CHNLove clients...??? If so, why didn't they find a guy through CHNLove. I will tell you why, at 40 and 42 years they wont attract many men from the West who are under 50 . These men can and do, get women much younger than that...and sucessfully too !!
Your generalisation about any woman who is more than 15 years younger than her man is only after money and/or visa is a bit of a crude illustration and does a disservice to genuine women who marry outside of this age difference.. There are hundreds of posts here about age difference (other threads)......but you seem to say it is an indelible, "carved in concrete rule"........
I dont agree with you
DavidE
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David E,
My experiences are very limited...I'm only talking about reality and fantasy...you will know much more than I , since you have been to China many times more than I. My girlfriend is 5 years younger than I...we can RELATE with each other...someone 15 years or more age difference is going to have a major problem with this!!! Also can have sexual issues too...these women are going to want to be sexually pleased...there again, reality and fantasy ISSUES!!! True they are NOT from the west and as they see many western films...one that is 15 years younger than BRAD PITT will be interested in him...is there a bunch of BRAD PITT'S here??? One can only figure this out...nothing I write here is set in stone...for there is many women in China...I'm just pointing out a reality check here! These two women are not on CHNLOVE!!!:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Hry Chet,
Yes...I'm having a GREAT time...as my girl and I can RELATE...LOL...hey bro...I forgot my camera connection to PC...so when I come home I will do the photo thing...also I'm using my girlfriend's PC on here since she only has phone modem access to the net and I don't want to figure this out since all the info is in Chinese...:s
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Abigbutt, I think your bordering on insulting many here. Arnold's wife is 15 year younger, my lady is 17 years younger and so on. What money are they going to get? We're working men. If some rich guy picks a much younger girl as his mate he gets what he deserves. As for the sexually pleased? I sure hope she can keep up with me?
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"....is there a bunch of BRAD PITT'S here???..."
Yes mate me....:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::angel:
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"....is there a bunch of BRAD PITT'S here???..."
Yes mate me....:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::angel:
Me too. Well at least the Pitt part. :icon_cheesygrin:
Sometimes it feels like the pitts or pits around here. Wish I were in China today.
Shaun
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Guys...a good debate is good...but lets keep it real.
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My wife is 16 years younger than I am. Your generalizations are not based on anything but fantasy heresay. She is also from Wuhan originally and is not going to fool around when I am gone which is also what you said about women from Wuhan. This is twice you have said things you have no real knowledge of. I would suggest you keep your sayings to things you really know about from personal experience. From which I gather is very limited.
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I think people like you really amaze ME !!!!
You are here, on the eve of your wedding, bragging about how you have kept everything secret because you want to avoid the fees charged by the Agency when your Lady gets married.
It matters not how they are involved (or not) in this marriage, what matters is that I assume your Lady signed a Contract, under Chinese Law to pay them certain monies at certain steps in her relationship with a foreign Man.
When the Agency discovers how you both have cheated them (and they will !!) your Lady (and her husband) will be pursued under Chinese Contract Law. Dont forget how "good" this will look when you finally get to apply for her to come to USA as your wife. A pending or spent prosecution under Chinese Law will look real great on the Police Clearance which you will have to provide.
Of equal importance, you are promoting the whole issue of fraud between western Men and CHNLove Agencies...you cheat them, they will cheat us...they get to expect it, if behavour such as this is the norm.
I understand that the fees charged at the time of marriage is about $1500....will you really put her and you into such a vulnerable situation for such a trifling amount of money ?? Do you really want to be yet another "smart" westerner who sets out to cheat them...because that does damage to ALL genuine western men.
It is a sad story you tell, on what should be a glad occaision,
DavidE
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If it's a rouge ( one who writes false EMFs on behalf of the ladies or provided bad service ) agency and there are many in Changsha ... I wouldn't want to pay the fee either. Plus they may not even have the proper gov't certificate to match local ladies with foreigners ... so they won't be able to pursue the matter in court. Fees can run as high as 10,000 to meet & 50,000 RMB to marry. I wouldn't make any false assumptions about Butt when his personal facts & story aren't known to us.
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What is this BS about women from Wuhan cheating? What type of statement is that? I am married to a woman from Wuhan, and I am damn sure she is not cheating on me, I would bet my life on that !! I have been to Wuhan several times, and none of the women I know over there are like that, they are serious when looking for a potential partner. I guess it depends on the type of people you hang around with (wrong crowd). Sure there will always be some women that will cheat, that is world wide, just like there are some guys that cheat. It basically all comes down to the morals and values each person has or does not have regarding the issue of cheating and I also believe it depends on the way you were raised. Also it is sad that some people just never get it, they just do not know the true meaning of the words love, commitment and marriage, and probably never will. Some will have the illusion that they think they know, but in reality they do not. (male and female)
I have certain (few) rules that I just would never break under any circumstances, and cheating is actually the first rule. I am dead serious about that and I have made that very clear to my wife Ping before we got married, I am totally committed to our marriage and to my wife. I obviously love my wife very much and would never hurt her, sex is important in any relationship, however it is not the most important thing, and my wife from WUHAN thinks the same way as I do regarding that.
VinceG, JimB and DavidE, I totally agree with what you guys have said in your posts.
I know I went off topic here, but I (and others) just did not agree with that statement about Wuhan women. We are all entitled to our personal opinions, however that does not mean we are always right about them. I also do not see how making such false statements can help the members here, like Maxx has already stated, a debate is fine, but keep it real.
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Abigbutt, I think your bordering on insulting many here. Arnold's wife is 15 year younger, my lady is 17 years younger and so on. What money are they going to get? We're working men. If some rich guy picks a much younger girl as his mate he gets what he deserves. As for the sexually pleased? I sure hope she can keep up with me?
Well , I have to put my two cent's in here of course .
The way I look at it , Qing might be 15 years younger , but she is 15 years smarter then your average Lady in the State's . ( From my expierence of course ) So that put's her right there along side me . Beside's , she is making me feel sooo much younger . To tell you , I'm 56 ... and as I was in Shanghai the first week of my Trip , we went to go see a very famous Doctor in SH , that is a Specialist in helping married couple's to have children with the help of Herb's . I did get checked and they did a Sperm count ( which is above average ) so we are planning on having a Child together after all . Age does not bother us in any way at all , as it did not bother me in my first marriage .
Sorry Sly , to bring this up here in your Post . Also sorry to have not had the chance to see you again on this Trip . Later Buddy .
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Bob,
Agree with everything that you and the others have said on this matter, and though it is off the actual thread topic, i think it needed to be said!!!
When members come out with foolish and or idiotic statements such as we have seen here, they need to be stamped on, and be shown to be what they are, totally unfounded and false statements!!
I'm sure there are many here, that have been scammed, or let down by the lady they been in communication with. I'm also pretty sure that they have at sometime, thought the same thing just after finding out that there trip was a waste of time, and an emotional disaster. But mature men will quickly recognise, that you can't condemn a complete cities women, on the basis of ONE or two ladies.
We don't get into our mature years without learning a thing or two about life, but it seems that some learn more than others, and some, just never learn anything at all!!
David.....
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Bob,
Agree with everything that you and the others have said on this matter, a though it is off the actual thread topic, i think it needed to be said!!!
When members come out with foolish and or idiotic statements such as we have seen here, they need to be stamped on, and be shown to be what they are, totally unfounded and false statements!!
I'm sure there are many here, that have been scammed, or let down by the lady they been in communication with. I'm also pretty sure that they have at sometime, thought the same thing just after finding out that there trip was a waste of time, and an emotional disaster. But mature men will quickly recognise, that you can't condemn a complete cities women, on the basis of ONE or two ladies.
We don't get into our mature years without learning a thing or two about life, but it seems that some learn more than others, and some, just never learn anything at all!!
David.....
David
This is exactly the same thing that China Shark Mike would have said. And I think it goes without saying that 'many' of the brothers would feel the same way, but just not posted...
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Has anyone noticed that we have not heard from Sly in 4 days? Wonder what is going on? Has he found the 1 and we are the furthest thing from his mind?
Sly, where are you!!!!!
Shaun
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Hehe, he must be busy talking French to his lady!
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Aaaahhhhhhh the Romantic Frenchman...sly where are you????:icon_biggrin::icon_biggrin::angel:
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When things went well for me I wasn't able to/didn't want to get to a computer, fingers crossed for Sly this is the reason for him too .
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Ahhhh No news is Good News?
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When things went well for me I wasn't able to/didn't want to get to a computer, fingers crossed for Sly this is the reason for him too .
I agree, after all that has happened I hope he is having the time of his life!!
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I also hope you Guy's are right and it's not that the Thread was taken on a Ride for a moment away from it all .
Or ... that I could not catch up with him again in GZ . Wish it's not that . I was too busy myself .:blush:
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Well.
I can see I've missed so many debates in fact on my thread when I was not here, once again :)
you did well, and sure, I was too busy to post.
Sorry to not give many details right now, i'm just back since today and I am quite tired, so I'll post tomorrow.
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Wow, welcome back Sly! I can't wait to read your trip summary, it sounds like you have enough for 3 novels and a screenplay :icon_cheesygrin:.
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Sly in China, episode one...In the beginning
Sly in china, episode two...The Epicenter
Sly in China, episode three...Now we live
LOL:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Well.
I wanted to post all my trip in Gz but I just will talk about Liyan. And in another reply, I'll talk more my trip in Gz.
So...
Meeting Liyan at Gz's Airport for the first time was very good, even if there was a problem with my flight (3 hours delayed....:( too bad)
Liyan is a very beautiful woman, she'll be 29 years old at the end of October, and speaks quite good english. Even when she's looking for some sentences, she says "how to say... "
We hugged at the airport and were very happy to see each other.
I have to admit that I do think there was chemistry on ACTIVE mode in fact.
We talked a lot in the taxi, once arrived at the hotel, she told me she had to work on the next morning, but that she then would have some free holidays to be with me, so that was a very good news :)
Well.
I remember she didn't stress nor that she wasn't anxious when we were in the same room, together.
The first night was very good, she slept in her bed and I slept in mine without any problems.
With time, the feelings grow up and so... on the 2d morning together, I saw she was awake, so I spoke a bit with her, she looked at me, she was still in her bed, I then sit down next to her, and the first kiss came (from me)
At first, she said "it's dangerous", but ... one kiss again and she didn't say that anymore. She just liked and I was very happy to be with her. I gonna say that yes, falling in love can exist, and she's really the one I love. For many reasons, not only because she's very beautiful, but because she is also clever, she took care about me since I was with her in Gz, and many other things.
I can more know how is the chinese kiss, compared to the frenchy one :)
We talked quite a long moment about love, about her and me, together, later.
She's a bit scared because she doesn't want to quarel with her family, but she already told her parents about me. She told me that her father told a "no" because of the language barrier, but that her mother saw me on webcam and via some pictures and that it seemed that she could like me. But that doesn't mean it would be as a "no" nor a "yes".
I told her I was learning more and more about chinese, because I'd like to be able to speak to him without any translator behind.
Liyan understands all of it and wishes to live with me in France. She also knows I'd like to marry her.
So, you can guess that our status is now as "engaged". I know what I want with her, she also knows it,
I know it can take some time.
I also know that her father told "no" at first but Liyan didn't tell me recently anything more about her father, so, maybe is he thinking about all of it.
I can also say that Liyan loves me, she already told it to me, and that she really liked all the days with me in Gz. Even all what we could do/visit/eat was very nice, shared together :)
Many thanks to Irish' and his idea about the tour on the river, Liyan told me she really liked that. So did I :)
She also told me about her fears in love and because of her past, and knows I really love her.
She liked kidding me when we were in Gz, in the hotel and outside. At first, if I did the first kiss, man can easily guess that outside, with time, she came to kiss me many times, and I was very shy because as I say, she's very beautiful.
Most of the men in the street were looking at her, then to me, then to her again and then to me.
2 chinese ladies told Liyan I was beautiful and she liked it, but she didn't want to say "he's mine"... wei shen me !!! :D
She was almost sad when I had to leave her, at Gz airport, but as I told her "I want to come back, for you", she smiled.
She told me today she talked to her friends about me, that they wished us the best but that they worry about her. I can understand it.
As I do think, time could help me to gain her father's "grattitude", I think.
Maybe some advices/comments could help, I don't really know.
But I know that now, I just found my love and that I'd go many things for her to come and live with me.
Soooo happy to love her and to be loved :)
I'll post more news about Gz later, I promise.
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Sly...HeHe you old romantic you:icon_cheesygrin:
Congratulations my friend I am so happy for you...I hope you two will be very happy...
There is one little thing that i must say on her father saying no..
My friend my first foray onto Chnlove, I fell for a lady in Lionning her name was Yan. She was a beautiful lady with a 'great' outlook in life and had a brilliant personality. Anyway, I was in contact with her for two months and sent many emf's to her, she done the same in return. in those two short months 'our' relationship grew and grew, until we (seemed) to fall in love.
The point I am trying to get to is, 'when' she told her parents about us, her mother liked me, but her father said 'NO'... we spoke a couple more time and sent letters back and forth. One of the last letters I got from Yan told me that although her father said NO, her mother and her cried one night when (Yan) she tried to change her fathers mind and she told her mother how much she loved me...
I sent her father a long letter both in simple Chinese and English, to try and win his approval. I told him many things about 'how' lucky he was in having a beautiful and dutiful daughter. How I would always treat her well, and would never harm her etc etc. To this day I have never had a reply, however, Yan sent me an emf informing me that her father had made his mind up and nothing could or would change it. So now she is one of my sisters that I contact now and again. She is happier now but it took a few months for her to fall for the right guy because of her father...
As pleased as I am for you my friend, I must tell you that if 'Father' disagrees with his daughter, there is usually NO WAY OF CHANGING HIS MIND, this is something I have learned through some brothers from our site when we were in the official site.
I am so glad you decided to go back my friend and I really hope this works
so Sly the best of luck mate.
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Thats good to hear Sly.
Chinese Kisses versus French Kisses. Sorry but China has the upper hand there (or should I say the mother tongue).
Work on Mama. Baba willl make the decison but she is the one that will put the decision into his mind. Well in most cases anyway.
So when is your next trip. It looks like I will be saving my Yuans for more wedding visits.
Willy
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Many thanks, Scottish & Willy :)
I have to admit that it is the ONLY ONE THING that scares me the most...
that there would be no way for her father to change up his mind about Liyan and me...
I already told Liyan that, maybe if he could see that her daughter really loved me and if she could tell him how nice I am with her, maybe would he change.
I also said that I would write a letter in chinese to send to him, she agrees with it, but she also says that it may would need some time.
by the way, as her birthday is coming soon, I asked her her adress, to write her from my hands and sending some gift, too.
She then gave me her company's adress.
Well.
I'll see how it'll evolve. Just wishing I could win her father's "agreement".
Next trip for February, 2010, but it needs time to talk again about it, Willy :)
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Great to hear you had a nice time Sly. The pearl river cruise is pretty cool, makes even GZ look nice!
I agree with Willy, work on impressing the mother, if she likes you I think there's a good chance the father will fall in line too.
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Best of Luck for your new campaing - and hopefully you can soon turn it into champagne :icon_cheesygrin:
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Sly,
Way to go man. Congratulations!!! Be patient when it comes to her father. He may take a little time.
Shaun
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Greetings Brothers,
Well, well Sly nicely done I must say. Congratulations brother, quite a surprise but a nice one. We wish you all the best and hope things work out for you as they have for Zhen and I.
Man It sure seems like our success rate is on the rise hehe, great to see.
Regards,
Zhen and Brian
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Man It sure seems like our success rate is on the rise hehe, great to see.
It sure seem's / looks that way , as of late . Looks like everybody is pretty much happy ... going ... during , well ... but not leaving of course . Which is quite good .
Sly , Qing and I are also pleased that you found somebody nice and beautiful and thinking the same of you . That's great to hear my Friend . About the Father , I'd do what was suggested ... using the Mother to get through to Him . If that does not work ... buy him a Box of Cigarette's and a nice bottle of Black Label and let him finish it and then you ask for his Daughter's hand . :-/
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Box of Cigarette's and a nice bottle of Black Label and let him finish it and then you ask for his Daughter's hand . :-/
Make it a bottle of Blue Label...and he will give you Mother as well :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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Hahahahaha .... that's right , afterward's with a empty house ... he has a reason to look for a younger new Wife .
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Many thanks to you for your comments.
I just will add an "extra".
Since yesterday, I felt Liyan was a bit "worried" and we talked this morning, and she told me she spoke with her parents about me, they worry in fact because we don't really know much about each other, plus, she has a sister and a brother, and she's the oldest. From what she told me, she must be married before her sister and brother (they really are her brother/sister) and so, that's why, again, they talk a lot about Liyan and me. But as I said to Liyan, it seems that her father needs to learn more about me because he didn't close the discuss by "no, no, no, I don't want"...
so, maybe in a good way.
We'll see ^^
Anyway, some pictures later, I have to go shower then going working...
see you ^ ^
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Thanks Sly for the new update . I know you have learned a lot from your first Trip , about how the Family Life play's a very big roll in China . So , I also know you will step carefully into this relationship which again does not come without hurdle's and bump's in the Road to your True Love . Hence meeting you in Person , it means more to me ... that you succeed this time around .
I'm waiting with patience for your hopefully happy outcome and maybe hear even Bell's ring ?
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Many thanks, Arnold.
Talking with Liyan about her family and how important is wedding for each of us, as she says, makes us taking time for many things to be done surely, even if we have to do "slowly".
First of all, is to win the family's agreement and so that they can like me.
As her birthday is in 2 weeks, I'll send her a letter, both in chinese and english.
i'll hope she'll like it :)
However, as she says, she is very happy to know that I do love her and does really trust in me.
She just worries about future, but... who would not, sometimes? I just show her that man needs to project himself in the future and to do many things, even if it's in a few months or more. She agrees with it and was happy for the talking with her parents.
Let's hope it'll go on a good way :)
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Great update Sly! I can't wait for photos.
My lady is the same age as your lady, so we have the same issues I think. However, mine gave me her home address, so I think her parents are a bit more open to our relationship.
I asked my lady what her parents wanted to know about me.
They wanted to know that I had a good education, so I told them about my University education. I guess having a good job/steady income would be important.
They also wanted to know if I owned a property, and what plans I had to move to a bigger property. Property ownership is very important to the Chinese, no?
They mainly worry about the cultural barrier. Fortunately I think I am OK on this as I've spent the last 3 vacations in Asia. Guys, you won't believe how many lucky cats I've accumulated (see my Avatar!). I've also demonstrated I can cook Asian food, I am enrolled on a Mandarin course and I can show them my photos from Hong Kong. I have also told my lady I am considering moving to Asia, but that is a longer term plan. My ace card is working for a University, so I get access to great language tuition opportunities and there are many Chinese here already.
Finally, ask your lady what her baba likes. Mine has discovered red wine, so I'll bring a decent bottle of Bordeaux (but not too decent so it looks like I'm not thrifty!)
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Thanks for your comment, I grandly appreciate it :)
I have to "deal with" Liyan about many things, in fact, and I was thinking about the gift to be sent to her home.. and you may have gave me the correct answer :)
I will try to upload some pictures today / tonight, anyway.
:)
and gave some news about my trip in Gz (visiting the city/center) :)
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Good luck with the gift giving. I sent a small teddy bear. The post office said it would take 5 days from the UK (bearmail), but it actually took 2 weeks!
Fortunately it arrived the day after we had a small disagreement, so the timing was excellent :icon_cheesygrin:.
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I would send in fact some flowers (lilies) as she really likes it :)
some white ones would be quite good, I think, since I have readed about the meaning of many colors.
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Yes flowers would be good. I am not sure about chinese superstitions though, as some things I read that are meant to be bad I have actually seen my lady do! I thought white was a funeral colour, but who knows. I don't think you can lose with red. My lady sure likes wearing yellow.
But I think flowers would make a good gift. Just don't send anyone a knife and a clock!!!
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oh, I don't think I'd send any knife and clock, or maybe for any scout...:D
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Aren't white flowers funeral flowers ?
I would stick with red or blue to be honest, just my 2c
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From Chinaroses, here is the meaning for lily's flowers, white ones :
LILY (WHITE) - Virginity, Purity, Majesty, It's Heavenly to be with You
So, I just don't know, Irish??
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From Chinaroses, here is the meaning for lily's flowers, white ones :
LILY (WHITE) - Virginity, Purity, Majesty, It's Heavenly to be with You
So, I just don't know, Irish??
One girl friend I had here always bought we White Lilies. Was that because of my Majestic, purity and virginity and I was heavenly to be with !!!!
More like she was following Brett suggestion and was thinking of sending me to heaven sooner rather than later and was planning my funeral!!!
Willy
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well', i'm not looking for funeral ones... :(
but ... is there any way to find some lily's with a nice color? because on chinaroses, i don't really know what means :
- LILY (CALLA) - Beauty (what does "calla" mean?)
- LILY (DAY) - Coquetry, Chinese Emblem for Mother (same about "day"?
- LILY (EUCHARIS) - Maiden Charms (same about "eucharis"?)
- LILY (TIGER) - Wealth, Pride (same about "tiger?"
Sorry if that can be "stupid" but ... even Calla and Eucharis mean nothing to me... :(
Well...
I found a link related to flowers colors meaning...
Can anyone say if it is really correct? (it seems that white flowers are not related to funerals???)
http://www.teleflora.com/flowercolors.asp
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Sly,
The White CALLA Lilly, is the Lilly used in funeral decorations.... It certainly is in UK, and the States. I don't know the specific meaning, but it's got to be something to do with death, lol!!
I have a small garden bed full of them, all different colours, but then i'm not suspicious. haha!!
David.....
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Salut Sylvain!
Quel homme :D Félicitations, I'm happy it went well for you.
I'm not sure white flowers are associated with funerals, but ask one of the guys here who has already married, I'm sure there are plenty of consultants that qualify ^_^ I think white clothes are appropriate for mourning, which doesn't mean you can't wear white just to look good.
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Sly,
My only question with the teleflora flower color meaning is; Do these color apply the same in China? They could be different.
Shaun
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Thanks for your comment, Voice';)
Well.. I'll ask to Liyan tomorrow because I just don't know.
I'd like to send her some lilys because she really likes it. If I would send some blue roses, I'd think she'd think that I didn't memorize that she likes lilys...:s
David, you sleep in a bed full of flowers? :D
Shaun, I'd not say it's the same, that's why I'm asking experienced members.
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Sly,
You've never heard the term ''Flower bed'' ?? Oh what a sheltered life you have lived!!! ...haha!!
David.....
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Sly,
You've never heard the term ''Flower bed'' ?? Oh what a sheltered life you have lived!!! ...haha!!
David.....
David, I have ever heard about that term, but never sleeped onto it, that's the fact :D
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Sly,
Where did you get the idea i slept in a flower bed??? I've slept in a bed with flowers printed on the sheets and pillow cases, ....but that's as close to a flower bed I've slept in!!!!!
Maybe Willy has found himself in a flower bed, ....the morning after the night before, wondering how the hell he got there!! ...hahaha!! But i honestly can't say that i have. ...lol!!
David......
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David, I just could not answer how I got that idea, maybe did it throw itself into my head, wo bu dong ^^
Well, I need anyway to know the meaning of chinese colors ^^'
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I sent Nina some white lilies from Chnlove a long time ago, and then I read somewhere that white can have negative meanings. I asked her about it and she replied that it depends on the flower. Lilies were fine and she loved them. In my mind white lilies were perfect at the time because we were just getting to know each other. Sylvain, if you love her, you can't go wrong with red roses. There's only one meaning behind them and nobody's going to think you mean something different with a red rose.
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White Lilies in the Western World= death and funerals
In China...not so...OK to send and are highly regarded.
Roses are International !!...Red Rose....love and affection
Blue rose (they are dyed by the way)= extravagance ...designed to impress
Carnations=cheapskate :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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Sly,
Where did you get the idea i slept in a flower bed??? I've slept in a bed with flowers printed on the sheets and pillow cases, ....but that's as close to a flower bed I've slept in!!!!!
Maybe Willy has found himself in a flower bed, ....the morning after the night before, wondering how the hell he got there!! ...hahaha!! But i honestly can't say that i have. ...lol!!
David......
David,
That you can remember, that is. :icon_cheesygrin:
Remember that night, it seems like 100 years ago now, when you at an old familiar pub and you started out with a pint of Guinness with a whiskey chaser? Well..... :angel:
Shaun
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Shaun,
Nope not me mate, I really don't drink, or should i say, i have never drank enough to get pissed. ....Except on two occasions both in my earlyish teens, one at a friends house accross the road from mine, ...wine tasting his dad's home made wine, and another at my sisters wedding (in my house) ...lol!! Both occasions i made it to my own bed, and not the Flower bed!! haha!!
You must have another friend named David, maybe an old drinking buddy of yours?? ...lol!!
David......
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David,
Unfortunately one of my old pastimes was drinking heavily. But I quit about 20 years ago. I might have an occasional taste every once in a while. I worked in an office in Texas while I was in the oil business and there were more Brits than Americans in the office. I am amazed we could find oil because we spent more time in bars than in the office, more time drunk than sober. Those weren't the days my friend. I would be the one that may have spent a night or two in the flower bed. :-/:blush:
Shaun
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All this talk about a Flower Bed . I slept with a Flower many times and the sweet nectar the Bee never forget's . Haha
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What a bunch of pansies.
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However, that doesn't really help to find the meaning :s
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A bit some more news about my story with Liyan.
I am talking with her since July, 2009 so it's quite recent, but... it seems that it is as if I would know her since more than just 3 months.
Everytime we are always happy to talk together on QQ and it's same when we were together in GZ ... since we're engaged, even if we need to take some time to think more about wedding and so on (because it's not just as if man could say "hello" to anyone in the street, then, leaving...), we need to know more and more about each other. But I don't care about it :) Because that's what I want, so does Liyan ^^'
Even this morning, she sent me a sweet message just to wish me a nice day and that she will see me tonight on QQ ^^
When I was with her, before leaving, I offered her one ring I always wear on my fingers (Arnold could remember, I think, that I have some on me :D) and Liyan was very "shy" at first, but really liked it. She told me that I could keep it, too, but as I said, "it's a gift, and I'm very happy if you like it and can have it on your finger). So, everytime we are on QQ, she shows me that she's got the ring on her finger, but.. it's not the righteous one, in fact :)
By the way, here are a few pictures about her & me :)
Hope you'll enjoy :)
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Nice photo's Sylvain , of a happy couple , regards Ying and Robert .
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Many thanks, Robert & Ying :)
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Beautiful lady Sly....congrats my friend...:icon_biggrin:
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For sure, Scottish, and I'd say that she's more than beautiful :blush:
Many thanks, my Brother :)
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Sly,
You sly old boy, she really is very pretty. Does she have an older sister? :angel:
Shaun
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Shaun, as told in my recent news, she's the oldest ^^'
but she has a sister, anyway :D
('wanna be as a brother in law? :D:D:D)
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Gee, Sly,
My children would kill me if I did. My oldest child is 25. Well????????? The young bride might be a little difficult you would make a pretty good brother in law. But I will keep all of this in mind. Hmmmm..........
Shaun
Time to make the donuts.
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Wow, a beautiful lady Sly! You could be the luckiest man alive!
Is she tall? She looks very tall. Tall women are great :icon_cheesygrin:. She will love Paris!
I'll post pictures of my lady if we get on in real life!
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In fact, on QQ at first, she didn't look so beautiful, but when I arrived in Gz, I saw just a dream becoming true... :)
Many thanks once again, as I told Liyan too, I'm very lucky to be with such a woman so beautiful :)
She's quite tall, yes, and as I would say, the perfect size for me ^^'
Mike', for sure, we both look very happy, we were always like that, since we met up to I had to leave at the airport... (but when she had to go and I turned back, I just was sad.. as most of us when we have to leave our lovers... )
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Sly, my lady looks different in a lot of the photos she sends. It's difficult to know exactly what she will look like in real life, but I will soon find out! I don't think I will be disappointed. I really fell for her fun personality. Her profile photos were nice and natural and she looked lovely. But later she sent me photos of her in a sundress, and she looked sensational! Wow, I begin to see a different side of her, I hope the weather is hot in Wuhan next week. :icon_cheesygrin:.
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Let us know how it'd be once you'll be there :D
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Sly , what wonderful Photo's of you ....the Lady with you is not that bad looking either:icon_cheesygrin:
You are a romantic Guy after all , giving Liyan your Ring and even wearing a Tie on the Pearl River Cruise . How could she resist ? She is also very lucky to have found you . Now you have me really interested in the next pages of this Story , that I might not have much time with Qing ... ones she get's here .:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Ahh .. just kidding !!!
So happy for you Sly .... really , she is very beautiful and it seems not only to be on the outside . :heart:SLY and LIYAN:heart:
( SYLVAIN , HER NAME IS EVEN INSIDE YOUR'S ) I think you found your's .
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Arnold, by reading your reply, I just realize about Liyan and her name inside mine :)
Many thanks for the tip and for your post :)
Yes, romantic "just enough" would I say, and I was very happy that even my tie and my shirt really pleased her (she told me "Oh!!! I like it!!!") so... I just knew how what to do :)
Each day I'm training to learn a new word in chinese and then, maybe tonight I will be able to speak a bit in chinese with Liyan. I just have some "difficulties" to read it but to write, it's more easy (via chinese keyboard, when writting on QQ ^^)
Even my exgirlfriend told me she was very nice and beautiful and ... she prefers to see me with Liyan than Ting (she didn't like her since the beginning)... So....
'gotta go to do all the best to keep Liyan's heart :)
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So....'gotta go to do all the best to keep Liyan's heart :)
Yes Sly , you do that and you have yourself a fine Lady there .
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That'd sound all good :)
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Wow Sly, she's beautiful! Good job my man.
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Thanks for the compliment, Neil :blush:
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Yes I think I'll thank you again for an excellent choice. Chinese ladies always have fantastic legs and yours is no exception.
I'm glad the shirt and tie went down well, I am taking my suit.
Just be careful what you type on QQ though, today I kept typing "lady", but google kept substituting "wife". I don't want to get too far ahead of myself.
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Brett,
Pray tell me why, your taking your suit to China?? I actually nearly fell out of my seat laughing, hahaha!! Unless your getting married, leave it at home where it belongs, i can guarantee, you will not find a need for wearing it!! It will just take up a heap of room in your case, that can be put to far better use.
By all means take some ties with you if you want that sort of look on some of your evenings out.... You will spend most of your days in casual wear and your evenings in what can be called smart casual wear. Believe me DROP the suit idea!!!
David.....
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I have never see a suit worn on China other than on the TV. In fact I have never seen a man wearing a proper jacket. I have six suits here in London that are less than a year old and this is where they will stay.
Willy
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Yeah, I know a suit is overkill. But it's a confidence thing. I feel confident in a suit and I have sceptical parents to woo.
Not having been to China I don't know how people dress. But in Tokyo it was exceedingly rare to see a man without a suit on during the week.
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Brett,
I don't know how to tell you this!! .........But your not going to Japan mate, your going to CHINA!!
Your not going there to work in an office, your not going there to get married, and wearing a suit to meet prospective parents is not required, or expected!! In other words, leave the suit at home where it belongs.
I thought you said that you blend into the background and become inconspicuous wherever you go, well you'll definitely stick out like a sore thumb in a suit, .... especially during the evenings!!!
China is has a completly different culture and mind frame to Japan, you'll be making a very big mistake if you try to associate one with the other.....
Depending what time of year you go to China, you would be far better off taking warm clothing or more lightweight clothes than packing a suite, that's going to get creased to buggery on the trip. In fact i'd suggest you leave extra space in your case and buy your clothes in China, there much, much cheaper than anywhere in Europe.... I always go with an empty case, and come back with a case bursting at the seams!! ...hahaha!! Most of the stuff I've bought there has been pretty good quality too, but you do have to be a little discerning in choosing what you buy....
All Joking apart, forget the suit Brett....Really!!
David....
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All Joking apart, forget the suit Brett....Really!!
David....
Unless he means his birthday suit :icon_cheesygrin:
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Or his under suit??? :D
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Brett,
I brought over my suit as well. I haven't worn it once and I have been here for over 6 months in total so far. I agree with David ... a nice pant and shirt is more than sufficient. When I met Sunny's parents and family, I only wore a short and t-shirt. Her father wore the same type of clothing to the restaurant. Here in Kaiping, businessmen or male wedding guests don't wear suits as well. If you're coming in the Fall when it's cooler, a blazer would be nice where you can mix and match with different slacks. David is also right about buying clothes here ... VERY AFFORDABLE FOR YOUR MONEY. A decent pair of shoes only cost $ 10 Cdn. I brought 3 sport socks for $ 1.35 Cdn.
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Yeah, I'm still not decided about the suit. I think my lady wants me to bring it. But I am really struggling with the language :s. I typed "I bring my suit to china?" into google and it say "I will sue china". I think this would be a disasterous thing to suggest to my lady.
I am getting a lot of ":icon_biggrin:" to the suit idea though. Women do like men in suits, that much is certain.
I'd only wear it to the initial meet + greet things anyway.
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When I mentioned to Ke Ren about what I am taking to China clothes wise, which also included a suit BTW (lol). :icon_biggrin: The reason I mention the suit now is my own preference especially if going for interviews or being nicely dress in School. :blush: She responded not to bring a lot because we can get it there. I will take one with me out of the selection I have, But I will 'hid' it somewhere lol.:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Brett, one thing I can say : Liyan liked my shirts and my tie, so... no need (I really think and agree with Chong & David) to have a suit over there.
Maybe when time will come to marry... ?
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Yes Rob will try and hide it under his kilt. :icon_cheesygrin:
I can see it now Ke Ren says, "Rob? what is that large lump under your kilt?" Rob, "Sweetie, I am just happy to see you." :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Yes Rob will try and hide it under his kilt. :icon_cheesygrin:
I can see it now Ke Ren says, "Rob? what is that large lump under your kilt?" Rob, "Sweetie, I am just happy to see you." :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
"Sweetie...put your hand up my kilt and check it out......
EEEEK......!! It's gruesome......!!!!
Do it again, it's gruesome more !!!!!!!":icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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[I typed "I bring my suit to china?" into google and it say "I will sue china". I think this would be a disasterous thing to suggest to my lady.]
Lol. Yes, don't bring your LAW suit to China! You'll never win. Classic translation confusion.
When my lady laughs, it translates as 'Haw Haw', but if I try and Haw Haw back, she thinks I've got a strange obsession with hawthorn fruit.
Also, sometimes when she asks a question, there is a little word that makes it into a question and doesn't mean anything by itself, which gets translated as 'woollen cloth'. Took me ages to figure that one out.
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My lady likes tartan skirts and I might get her one as a birthday present. But I am not even going to try to attempt to explain kilts to her :huh:.
I didn't get a good answer to the suit question, but I think she was :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin: to the idea. I'll see how much room I have available for it.
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Brett, maybe wait a bit to talk with her about Kilts and the "first thought" when man talks about it ^^'
don't forget to send photos ^^' (not about the kilt... :D)
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Brett,
Since everyone who has been say the clothing there is much cheaper I think it would be a good idea to leave the suit home. If you find that you need one then purchase it there. Then when you get back home you will have two fine suits.
Shaun
P.S. Forget the kilt, just would look good on white and red porcelain skin.
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Tartan skirts are popular in China I think. I've seen 3 of our Chinese students wearing them this week.
I have established my lady likes wearing short skirts. This is much more important than the suit issue :blush:.
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Brett,
My last words on the suit thing.....
Your basing your statement on women ''liking men in suits'' on the western idea. Also Japan has always tried to emulate western ideas in formal dress, which is why you see so many in the Tokyo business world in suits. China as a whole has never emulated western formal business wear....
As Chong and others have stated, a smart pair of pants and a crisp white shirt, is more than enough for any of your meet and greet occasions, and even then you could find yourself over-dressed, and if you want to go the whole hog, there's always the tie!! ...hahaha!!
God Brett, this is like pulling teeth trying to convince you to forget the bloody suit!! ..hahahaha!!
David.....
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About the Suit thing . Brett , wearing a Suit among People wearing Casual Clothes will not gain you any point's there . All it's going to do make your Lady more likely uncomfortable and force her to be equally as formal looking , when NOT needed . Besides it would kind of embarrass me as well , standing there all alone in a Suit , way overdressed for the purpose to impress your Lady .
Well my three cent's anyway .
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In fact, when I was in Shanghai and Gz, I never had any suit... just a shirt most of time, and only one time, a tie, when I was with Liyan :)
Man can easily forget about wearing a suit, first, because of people over there who aren't dressed like that, secondly, because of the weather, too ;)
So Brett !! go for a shirt if you prefer :) or just simple t shirts :)
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Thanks guys. I've done some reading and I guess a suit would be too much for this time.
I think I will be wearing my Summer wardrobe and my lady will be wearing her Winter stuff! It reminds me of when I went to Rome in December and all the elegant ladies were wearing fur coats while I was walking around in a T shirt.
Anyways, I'm sure we'll be clothes shopping as I've pretty much seen my lady's entire wardrobe now :angel:!
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Thanks guys. I've done some reading and I guess a suit would be too much for this time.
Actually, I should correct my post ... I haven't had the right opportunity or "time" to wear my suit which I'll be doing in December ... 1) for the wedding dinner and 2) for the wedding photos [ they provide 4 changes of costumes, but I want to wear my suit also]. Scottish Rob is also correct in stating that wearing a suit is suitable for job interviews.
So, at some "time"/point/special occasion, you'll need a suit.
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I have one suit in my wardrobe in China. My lady has seen it and suggested that one evening I wear it.
I told her that I would be too hot in wearing it out in the evening warm hair.
She said that she thinks I will look sexy in it and we DO NOT have to go out at all.
Take your choice Brett is it a turn on or not?
Willy
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Well throughout my life I have seen how women love to see a man in a suit :icon_cool:. I will reserve judgement until I see how loaded my suitcase is.
At the end of the day it is something I have to decide for myself. But my lady would certainly love to see me in my suit, and I want to appear very well dressed beside her, as she loves fashion and I imagine she will put a tremendous amount of thought and effort into dressing for our first meeting.
Anyway, sorry for this threadjacking - Sly have you got any news about your lady? Or any more photos from your trip to show us?
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Chong,
Totally agree with you about Westerners wearing a suit at a Chinese wedding and the seperate wedding photo sessions. Also agree, that i guess a suit is suitable attire to wear at an interview.
Although, i must have conducted in excess of 30 interview sessions in my 8 years in China, with total numbers of applicants interviewed exceeding 200+. All being professional Engineers and junior Engineers that would have been office based, ...I can't honestly remember one applicant attending his interview in a suit!!
Don't get me wrong any of you, i like a good suit, and i look pretty nifty in one too!! ...lol!!!
I did actually wear a suit (and safari suits) fairly regularly in Hong Kong, but that was an entirely different environment, where British influences was very much prevalent at that time....
David.....
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Brett,
If that's the case where your lady's into fashion ... bring your suit. You'll need a jacket for the Fall weather anyways. I'm sure that your lady will appreciate you looking 'debonnaire' for her.
Funny ... ever since this topic started, I have been noticing some men wearing suits, albeit mostly in the hotel. I assume that Beijing/Shanghai being more cosmospolitan cities would have more suits being worn as a daily wardrobe. Maybe 'White Dad' JimB or Si Fu Arnold can shed light on this. :icon_cool: :fi_lone_ranger:
Don't get me wrong any of you, i like a good suit, and i look pretty nifty in one too!! ...lol!!!
I did actually wear a suit (and safari suits) fairly regularly in Hong Kong, but that was an entirely different environment, where British influences was very much prevalent at that time....
Was that during your younger days when you were hunting for chicks ??? Did you wear an 'Union Jack' underwear ??? :icon_cool: :icon_cheesygrin:
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Hmmmm now I am wondering if I can buy a nice silk suit over there?Whats a safari suit?
Ron
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Safari suit was an abomination invented by the Colonial Brits...sort of elegant YUK casual wear...went out of fashion in the late '60's !!!!
Sometimes was complete with short pants.....and long socks...sometimes with long pants.
Sort of "Africa in the early '30's !!!
Sorry David50...could'nt resist it:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
ps...I still have 2 safari suits that I can't face throwing away...reminder of different times :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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Safari Suit ... a suit that attracts wild uncontrollable beasts ??? ... aka 'cougars' ... hehehe :icon_cool:
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Ron,
If you're in HK, you can get a custom-tailor silk suit for a very reasonable cost. David probably knows a few tailors there. See if they have an Italian silk material call ... MODESTO BERTOTTO Super Merino Extra Fine 120 . This would cost $ 2,000 in Canada ..... or anything ( i.e. Ermenegildo Zegna ) close to that. "120" is the thread count. Most suits are "100". The extra "20" means that it woven more thus the finer feel. Ask to see his highest thread count material and feel the difference from a regular suit.
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Chong you ask me to . On my four Trip now , I have only seen Men in Suite's on my first Trip . Because I was staying at the Tanfu Business Hotel in Pudong . There , the Men even wore the Suit's for Breakfast , that is something you'll never in your Lifetime see me wearing in the morning . I like to get dressed up and look good for my Lady , but it has to be mutual where everybody is Formal . Otherwise it's Jean's or Short's . Here .. there .. everywhere . Haha
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Safari Suit ... a suit that attracts wild uncontrollable beasts ??? ... aka 'cougars' ... hehehe :icon_cool:
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Ron,
If you're in HK, you can get a custom-tailor silk suit for a very reasonable cost. David probably knows a few tailors there. See if they have an Italian silk material call ... MODESTO BERTOTTO Super Merino Extra Fine 120 . This would cost $ 2,000 in Canada ..... or anything ( i.e. Ermenegildo Zegna ) close to that. "120" is the thread count. Most suits are "100". The extra "20" means that it woven more thus the finer feel. Ask to see his highest thread count material and feel the difference from a regular suit.
Sorry Chong
As an Australian Wool expert, I must tell you that 120 super merino extra fine refers to the wool diameter. This is 120 micron. Only about 1% of the Australian Merino wool is clipped at 120 microns. Thus only the finest cloth is made from this wool...Zegna, Versace, and of course Saville Row
DavidE
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Tartan skirts are popular in China I think. I've seen 3 of our Chinese students wearing them this week.
I have established my lady likes wearing short skirts. This is much more important than the suit issue :blush:.
Tartan and kilt skirts may be popular in Colchester, UK where the temperature is quite low at the moment but in Guangdong where I live she will melt wearing a heavy or even medium weight skirt.
You know if you buy her one she will wear it straight away to please you no matter how hot it is where you will be. But she will really want to take it off at the first opportunity. (Hmm....On reflection that may be a very good buy!!!!!)
Wiily
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I read about getting these suits made in Shenzen, now this 120 micron stuff has me interested! How much are we talking about in HKD or RMB for a three piece suit ballpark?
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Well..
I could talk a bit about Gz, just to give my comment on it.
I do remember what you told me about Gz, Ronan, and how was the pollution...
Well.
I just would say that it was quite warm, more than in Shanghai, and less than in Chongqing.
Even when it rains, you don't feel the weather beeing fresh, as it could be in western countries.
Anyway, when man is out, don't think he would wear any suit... it's just like "no way, dude"...
The city is always full of people, I've never seen so much people everyday, eating at no time, carrying so many things to some shops, and looking at you when you are walking hand in hand with a beautiful chinese woman.
One thing I have noticed.
When a car, bus is coming next to you, don't stay behind it because its motor is so warm that you can smell it. And for sure, you can feel the difference once the car / bus is not so close to you.
I am also amazed to see there is no accident with vehicles when man is walking down the streets everyday. Horning, horning.. horning... that just lets me remember about Chongqing with taxis...
I didn't use any train there, so I can not say how it is in it (cumfortable or not)
I have tasted some chinese food (but not local ones) with Liyan, and there's nothing to say, except that it was very delicious :) (except the kind of "soup with some rice"... that I don't really like... :s
Some people tried to talk with me when I was with Liyan, but as they didn't really know if I could speak with them, they just were kidding me (Liyan also told me about it, and it was just with a smile, as "please don't think they blame you nor offend you" :) )
I tried to talk with some people, sometimes it was very hard because... I think the language in Gz is quite different from Chongqing and Shanghai (for sure, Shanghai has its own language). So, most of times I just could not understand anything.
Anyway, as I had a besta translator (Super 5100), sometimes I could use it with Liyan when I was looking for a word or sentence. I'll talk about it later. Price : 1200 RMB's, I can also upload french/chinese dictionnary, and same with german ^^
I would have liked sometimes to see Abigbutt and Arnold because they were in Gz.. but I was very very busy with Liyan, that we didn't see the time going when we were together, everywhere in Gz. One day we've been walking more than 5 hours and at night, I just was K.O quite enough for her to tell me "please sleep" with a nice kiss to accompany. :blush:
About the shops, I'd say that it's always the same everywhere : clothes, drinks, shoes, clothes, drinks, shoes... I didn't buy anything but I would have liked if I would have had any more time...
I readed Ronan's post about Gz and all he could visited over there. I just didn't visit so much.
However, I visited a bit Gz and many streets, I found a church that I could not find back later...
Here are some pics about Gz, I don't remember the names of the places I've seen but I'll find it then release the titles of the pics.
Enjoy some of them :)
First and Second pictures: 2 buildings related to components for mobiles. Man can find anything he wants : displays, keyboards, cables... it is impossible to not find what you would for your mobile(s) inside of those buildings :)
Third picture : A church, quite beautiful. But I found it one time. No way to find it back later with Liyan... (I didn't have any map to know where I was, at first ^^)
Fourth picture : A big "garden" with many places to visit inside.
Fifth picture : Gz center by night. Quite beautiful.
Sixth picture : I liked that picture because of "Carrefour".. I didn't know there could be one in China ^^
Seventh, eighth and ninth picture : a famous temple that I visited with Liyan. The last photo show the artwork with ivory. Just too beautiful to watch :)
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I read about getting these suits made in Shenzen, now this 120 micron stuff has me interested! How much are we talking about in HKD or RMB for a three piece suit ballpark?
Irish
In Perth, a top quality Zegna is AUS $ 4000 ish !!!!...dont know about HK prices, but they wont be chealp...but they are superb clothes....feel great to wear :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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My main time in Hong Kong was in the 80's, I've been back to work there since the handover back to China, but not for any length of time...
I should have said, Safari suit, and not suit's i owned just the one..haha!! and yes it was basically just for work. My work in those days required me to walk the underground tunnels, and ALL you dared wear down there was a pair of shorts, light vest, a hard hat, and a pair of heavy work boots. It was a very hot, extremely humid environment, believe me you needed a shower and an easy change of clothes when you got back up to the surface.... A Safari suit fitted the bill perfectly!! Oh and mine was with long pants....lol!! I'm not sure they went out of fashion in the 60's, well not in HK anyway, they were seen everywhere in the 80's in HK...
In those day's i used to have all my shirts made to measure, because it was so cheap to do so, as i remember it cost about 60HK$ (at the time it was about HK$12 to a sterling pound). A good made to measure suit, made from Swiss cotton cost around 80 sterling pounds. There are good tailors all over HK, but i found the most reasonable in price were to be found on Kowloon side.
What they would cost now, i have no idea, but they would still be cheaper than anywhere in Europe that's for sure!! ...lol!! Shoes too can be made to measure at reasonable cost, and will be the most comfortable you have ever worn.
Arnold, your experience of the Chinese wearing suits is exactly the same as mine.... they basically DON'T!! haha!! Only the silly westerners that go out on business, will you see wearing them, and then not for long!!
I'm pretty sure your case has been full a few times, heading back to the States, with the clothes you bought in China. I Always buy clothes there and bring them back, it always made more sense to me, than to take a suitcase full there....
Sorry Chong, no Union Jack undies for me, and no i wasn't chasing the skirts either, Married to my late wife at that time... but it was always tempting!! ...hahaha!! As for jackets for the Fall weather, much better off bringing or buying a casual jacket, than that of a suit styled jacket, and more practical too...
David....
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Safari suit...Didn't James Bond wear one of those in one of the films...
'Shaken not stirred'...lol:angel:
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Next time I go in China, I'll call it ": Sly in Safari Suit ! Go for Donkey Kong... :D"
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Next time I go in China, I'll call it ": Sly in Safari Suit ! Go for Donkey Kong... :D"
ROFLMAO:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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As an Australian Wool expert, I must tell you that 120 super merino extra fine refers to the wool diameter. This is 120 micron. Only about 1% of the Australian Merino wool is clipped at 120 microns. Thus only the finest cloth is made from this wool...Zegna, Versace, and of course Saville Row
I stand corrected and was given misleading info. Thanks !
What exactly is a 'micron' and 'clipped' ??? Is there a huge difference between 100 and 120 ???
I thought that 120 refers to the measures that it's twisted ... thus determinig the wool diameter ???
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As an Australian Wool expert, I must tell you that 120 super merino extra fine refers to the wool diameter. This is 120 micron. Only about 1% of the Australian Merino wool is clipped at 120 microns. Thus only the finest cloth is made from this wool...Zegna, Versace, and of course Saville Row
I stand corrected and was given misleading info. Thanks !
What exactly is a 'micron' and 'clipped' ??? Is there a huge difference between 100 and 120 ???
I thought that 120 refers to the measures that it's twisted ... thus determinig the wool diameter ???
Chong
We produce about 60% of the World Merino Wool here in Aus. Before the Merino sheep was developed (bred ??) wool was a somewhat coarse material and the wool diameter was about 250 microns. This not fine enough to make soft, silky touch, lightweight clothing.
The standard Merino sheep produces about 1.5 kilogrammes of wool per sheep per year, with a diameter of about 180/200 microns.
A very few sheep produce much finer wool....mostly due to the extraordinary care and attention needed to get such results. It is too expensive to do for the bulk of the Merino flock.
Thus the "superfine " grade of 120 microns is only shorn from a very, very few sheep.. Last year they cut/clipped (sheared) 1 bale of wool (25 kilogrammes) that measured 88 microns. This was sold to a Japanese weaving Company for $140,000 !!!!! It will make about 9 or 10 suits after processing into cloth. I cant imagine what you could pay for such a suit...probably only be bought by Billionaires in Russia !!!!
Alpaca, Cashmere, as wools from different animals come in at below 100 microns (just)...hence Alpaca, and cashmere clothes are also very pricey. These are rare cloths, because the Alpaca and cashmere require so much cost to maintain and keep in good condition, compared to a sheep !!!
The difference between 180, 120 and 100 microns is HUGE...both in feel, flexibility and of course in the weight and drape of the resulting cloth. A micron is 1 Millionth of a metre, or 1 Thousandths of a millimetre. In the Imperial measure, 100 microns would be about 4 thousandths of an inch.
When the individual animal hairs are spun and twisted to make the Yarn, there is a minimum number of hairs needed in the twist before a yarn can be made that is viable to weave. As you can see, the finer the hair, with a minumim number in the twisted yarn, then the finer the yarn will be.
When the yarn is woven into cloth, the tightness of the weave is measured by the "Threads per inch"(TPI) .Very tight weaves go up to 350 + Threads per inch. But only the finest yarns can be processes this tight. Most wool cloth is woven at about 200 TPI.
So the superfine Merino, not only has the thinnest yarn diameter because of the superfine hair diameter in microns, but it can also be processe and woven into very tight "dense" cloth, without getting thick and bulky...perfect for superb suits !!!
Cheers
DavidE
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Thanks for the reply.
Now I will look at 'sheeps' differently ... "Will that one make a nice suit ???" ... :huh: :icon_cool:
Speaking of sheeps, this cartoon character and his other sheep friends and the bad wolves ARE A HUGE HIT AMONG CHINESE KIDS. Amazing that one can build an entire multi-million dollar industry around a cartoon character ... i.e. the Ninja Fighting Turtles, Emily Strange etc etc etc ...
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I love this cartoon ! There's even a movie, but so far no t-shirts in my size!
"Pleasant Goat and Big Big Wolf "
Description :
In 3131, the goats lived in Qingqing Field happily, and the Big Big Wolf lived in the castle with his wife, named Big Red Wolf beyond the Qingqing Field. Every time when Big Big Wolf appeared on the Qingqing Field, and was going to catch the goats, all the goats would work together and chucked the wolf out.
Characters :
Pleasant Goat(???)
The ringleader of the young goats, he usually wears a small bell on his neck. He was the best assistant of Slow Goat. In almost every episode he was the first one who broke the plot of Big Big Wolf.
Lazy Goat(???)
A small talented goat. He always spends his most time on sleeping.
Beautiful Goat(???)
A female goat. She is good at cooking. She always likes to dress herself up. All the goats love her very much.
Ebullient Goat(???)
He is the strongest goat on Qingqing Field. He is feisty. He thinks he is the best goat. Always underestimates others.
Slow Goat(???)
The eldership of the goats. He is very intelligent. Good at inventing.
Big Big Wolf(???)
One of the main characters, appears in all episodes. He was always plotting to catch goats. But failed all times. Outraged by Big Red Wolf. He is very smart but his ideas always get foiled by Pleasant Goat. His most used phrase is 'I will take revenge, you goat!????????????????
Big Red Wolf(???)
She is the wife of Big Big Wolf. She always blames her husband, and thinks he is a loser. Longs for mutton. Hits Big Big Wolf with a frying pan in basically every episode.
Now, which one do you think is "Scotish goat"! :icon_cheesygrin:
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Man ... I stand corrected AGAIN on this thread ... I thought they were 'sheeps' ... LOL :huh:
Paul,
Do us proud and write their Chinese names ...
Big Big Wolf = Fu lon lon ???
Beautiful Goat = Mei Ya Ya ???
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Hahahahah....HOI PAUL....hahaha:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Sorry Chong, I've been told its yang yang and not ya ya
How sad is this:-
Pleasant Goat(???) xi yang yang
Lazy Goat(???) lan yang yang
Beautiful Goat(???) mai yang yang
Ebullient Goat(???) fei yang yang
Slow Goat(???) man yang yang
Big Big Wolf(???) hvi tai lang
Big Red Wolf(???) hong tai lang
I thought I was keeping my love of this cartoon secret but Ming Zhi has told me all the names in mandarin and can sing the main song! I knew there was a reson I love this woman!
Oh, she said Scotish goat would be, da shen yang yang. Not sure what this means but she thinks its very funny!:icon_cheesygrin:
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Wow David you sure know your sheep.I didnt know any of that.Thank you for the info I appreciate it,You learn something new every day on here.
Ron
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Isn't it funny , a chinese Relationship Forum and we talk about Sheep's and Goat's . Leave alone under poor Sly's thread . Now that makes up a great Forum .:icon_cheesygrin:
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Well...
I don't really know what to say...
I am sad, very sad, and also...a bit happy..
Maybe should I believe in a God of Hope? Who knows...
Today I was on QQ with Liyan, and I saw she was on the phone, then she wrote me "my mother"...
I said nothing, I waited a few mins, and when she hang up, she was sad... very sad...
I asked what's wrong...
Liyan looked at me, was very sad, as if she would begin to cry and she explained me...
A chinese man has been introduced to her parents (don't ask how... I don't know) and she really disagreed it...
I know it isn't easy at all...
I didn't know what to say, for sure, I was sad as Liyan was, and I asked anyway some questions about the chinese man and her.
She told me that "chinese people only get married when the son in law will give you the money, father also need to give money to her daughter".
I asked about money because of the famous story I had in Chongqing... That's why Liyan told me that.
We went on talking, she told me that she had to know if I really loved her and, for sure, I told her that I really loved her. I never meant to hurt her feelings.
She then told me to be happy because she knew what she had to do, facing her parents later (in two weeks... quite long :( ) and that she will tell them about her feelings for me, and my feelings for her. I also sent her a first letter in english, speaking a bit about me, my life and how I loved their beautiful daugther (I also said that they could be proud about having a such beautiful daugther).
Welll..
Liyan gave me lot of smiles, told me that she kissed me, that she remembered all the days in Gz with me, and that she knew she was very happy with me.
I don't really know how things can evolve.
Because her parents don't know foreigners, they only know about us via their tv and most of time, for sure, it's not "really good"...
I also told Liyan I was still learning chinese with new words (ok I can write "taxi" now in chinese...) and that I wished in two weeks or a little more to be able to speak with her in chinese.
I told also in my letter that I wished to marry Liyan (I said all I have in my heart) and that if she could come in France, I would help her to learn french in some "training centers", "formations" and that each year, we'd go in China one or two times, to see her family, so that her family could see that no, Liyan doesn't leave them.
In fact, all that I said was very nice to Liyan and she told me "ok, don't worry, be happy, don't care please"... She was almost sure about herself when saying it to me...
For sure, I'm frightened and a bit sad...
Because I would really like that relationship to go on and to evolve.
Liyan told me that she knew 2 chinese men before and that it ended for many reasons, one of them was not very nice with her, and the other one, I don't really remember.
But she also told me that since she knows me, she's happy everyday....
One other thing we talked about, because I remember about it :
she told me one time that it would be more easy for her to have a chinese man as love, because she wouldn't change lot of things.
Today we talked about it again.
She then told me that she needs a good reason to do these things (learning french, learning to adapt to life abroad...), for love, for a good man, for her happyness.
She then told me "if you show this, I will do that"
Then I told her that I was sincere in my love for her and that I would really help her once she could come in France.
And she then replied "I can feel your love, it is true, so I will do lot of things".
She then told me she had to go sleeping, and told me "don't be sad, and don't worry", saying I was her dear, that she missed me a lot...
How many brothers will say me that there's nothing to do, except finishing in a "no way, dude"????? :(
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Sly from what I am reading it sounds like the father wants a dowry for his daughter so he can give to his daughter when she marries you.That is how I am taking it which is a custom there.The other brothers can help more on this I am sure.
Ron
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Sly , I sure hope this is not going to turn into a repeat of Ting's saga ... with the Parent's and a chinese Man giving Money and that's that . If Liyan play's it right , she has got to use Mother ( which is on your side still ) with all she can to convince Dad ... this is better for his Daughter before it's too late again . I know it's not your fault you keep picking these kind of Women , but you now have learned a lot from your last experience so you must use it wisely and NOT get caught up in this previous mess with Ting again . I can't help you more then wish you good luck buddy . I think you and Liyan are going to need it . Man with old chinese customs are hard to change , especially dealing with Foreigner's . But this is not only in China the case , us German's are pretty stubborn too when it come to our own believes . Get your battle-gear on and be ready for a fight for your lady again . Besides , it really sadden's me to see some of us have it so easy ( yes me included ) and some other's have to go through all this before the Paperwork even start's . May the Love for Liyan give you both the strength to overcome this .
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One other thing I remember.
Her mother lost her dog a few months ago and she was very very sad because it was a nice dog.
Today, Liyan told me she will go and see her parents in two weeks.. with a baby dog...
because she wants her mother to be happy, even if her dad doesn't like dogs or isn't really ok about having another dog... but well, Liyan told that she wanted to make her mother happy.
So, maybe is it like a "help" to say or show her mother that if she can make her happy, maybe can her mother help her too?
Thanks anyway for your comments, Ron, Arnold and Mike.
I also said to Liyan that I'd do anything for her to help and to show her that I really loved her...
I'll have to see how it will evolve , with time. But I must support Liyan the best I can throught this first difficulty. I'll do.
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I know Sly , you will do your best . But it is so very hard from a distance of many miles , it sure doesn't make things easier ... when they could be . It's like Qing want's to help me so bad with the trouble of my House I had returning home . This is why we love these Women , they do and want to do everything for you to make sure your Happy and well taken care of . Instead of hearing ... when are you going to fix this and when is it going to be done ? Yes , even my late Wife ... that I loved so dearly ... was that way . So this is going to be different with Qing . So you have to make sure you let her know , what qualities you fell in Love with and it's up to you to keep them just there and not take her for granted and let all slip away what brought you to these Women in the first place . But then , talk is easy ... to get it done is the challenge . haha
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Arnold that reminds me of my Ex. One (well just this one) time she complained how hard the day was. taking care of the kids, the laundry, cleaning the house (only had had 5 rooms) and making dinner. In which I reminded her We Had Pizza. We went away for a week and when we got back I called for a pizza. The guy said Oh we haven't heard from you? We thought you moved? Yeah, she had a tough life.
Song is so much better. I tell her I haven't done something she says, don't worry.
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Yes , We know too well about these kind of Women . I worked two Jobs so my late Wife could stay home and take care of the Home and Cook and clean . But I tell you , I am glad I did not take her for granted . Because after she passed away , I realized all that she had done for our marriage ... things I did not see day in day out . After she was gone , I could see it all ... and let me tell you , I am so glad I didn't take her for granted . I would feel quite guilty right now ... but I don't have to . Thanks God for that .
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Keep going on this one Sly. Your girl is, with you - it is you she loves. We know that Baba makes the final decison but with Mama on your side then you two need to work on her. The Chinese man has been brought into the equation, probably by a relative on the fathers wishes as most Baba's want their daughters to marry a Chinese man. But Liyan can make it clear by words and conduct that anyone other than you will not be having her total attention. It seems to me that Liyan is not willing just to roll over and do what her father would prefer. So encourage her to keep going on this track.
Keep showing and telling Liyan how important she is to you and how much you love her. Keep giving her all the support you say you will. Be positive in all things concerning Liyan not just the best you can do but better than the best.
I might not be the wisest of brothers and I have a 'hard earned' reputation of liking many Chinese ladies, maybe too much, but I am one of the oldest and I just have a feeling that Liyan would rather be with you than anyone else. Ok you may have problems with Baba but keep following the dream and if you two were meant to be one you will achieve.
Willy
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Sly I've just read this mate...:huh:
Sorry brother.. I would do what the guys are telling you...Hang in there mate
Best of Luck
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Wow, that's a shame Sly. I worry I will get the same with my lady. However she has a strong will and I think she could win her parents over.
Incidentally, my lady's parents asked that I had a big house, I think that if you can show you own property and/or have a decent income then perhaps their worries will subside.
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You might want to send pictures of your house prior to going there. I sent mine and will send one soon that I am building for Pinky. :icon_cheesygrin:
Shaun
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Hahahaha ... Shaun that's too funny . Does it have a walk-in closet ? I see it comes with a big Yard .:icon_cheesygrin:
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Give him the nature approach.
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He may want to know the size of the home to figure if there's enough space so he can come to live there?
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Hahahaha ... Shaun that's too funny . Does it have a walk-in closet ? I see it comes with a big Yard .:icon_cheesygrin:
Thought I was show you my London Home. And the neighbours.
They see this and accept you then it's real LOVE.
Willy
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A nice fixer-upper there Willy . Are you selling ? Are the Neighbor's nice , hence I'm looking for a Vacation Home in England .
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Willy,
Your house is what happens when you spend all your money on Viagra!
With my house the closet is on the back side; you can't see it from this position. Note: the guest room is just below the surface.
Shaun
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I'm afraid to ask where the Garage is :s and the Guest room ... how can one sleep with thing's tropping in all the time ? :@
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Arnold, how dare you asking that question?
Man should know that the guest room is with the main one :D
Eh ! it's the best way to know about your invitees, right? :D
And about the Garage, didn't you want to say "garbage" in fact? :D
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Well, that makes me smile to see that my thread is always "spammed" by many things but eh... i still like reading many things, even if I'm not sure to show the latest photos by Shaun, Vince and Willy :D
Ok, let's talk a bit more about Liyan...
Hem..
yesterday was a very nice day, as always in fact.
But for any reason, we told about income, houses... and that began to not be "very clear" at first.
I then told Liyan that with my income, as I was the owner of my studio, I didn't have to pay any "fees" for it, nor than for my car. (except insurances for the studio and the car, plus gasoil, of course). So that was good because I could save some money
you can not save money because you are a man, and men can't save money :D
Ok she won one point on it...
I then told her that of course I could save some, because how would I have gone in China so?
So, she smiled.
She then asked me about babies : I told her that there is no law in France (nor in other western countries, I think) to have any baby, except when man is under 18 years old. No need to be married (but it's also better to be married if man wants a children, my point of view about it) and that man could have 1, 2, 3 children, it was very different from China.
Then she was ok about it.
but how will you do to help me, to support me in France with only your job, and giving money to your parents???
I didn't know what she asked about my parents and I realized she didn't know about it.
So I told her "why should I give them money ? Well, in fact, man doesn't give money to his family, he can if he wants, but it's not like in China... so I don't really need to give them money."
She then understood.
She also wanted to know about having a house. I quickly checked on my city and there were some houses to sell for about 540.000 € up to 780.000 € easily (about 5.400.000 rmb's so up to 7.800.000 rmb's easily)
I told her "no way to buy a house if man is alone" and she said it was expensive. That's why I told her that with just my income, alone, I didn't think about buying a house. But with her (for sure), it would be better, later. And if it could be on that way, then I could rent my studio or sell it...
But from here to "later", there will be time and many things can happen.
Well, she said she understood all that and that we worried now about money. I said that I didn't worry too much about it because I really think I can support her with my income (even if I get only 14.500 rmb's / month and that about 5.500 rmbs easily were for fees, insurances, gasoil, and so on. )
Later in the night, we went on talking she was still happy to talk with me, she even showed me that on her computer, her background was a photo of her and me in Gz, together, so I was very happy to see it :)
One friend called her (it was quite 11:40 pm easily) and Liyan was confused then...
Once she hang up, she told me that it was one of her friends (lady), who told her she wanted to divorce with her husband because too many quarels and so on.
So she told me that we were too fast, we did things too fast, we need time, and that marriage was frightening her. she also told me that her friend married "quickly" with her boyfriend and that they didn't know really each other, so that we had to know more about each other.
Well.. I then began to be confused too.
First, she told me she loved me, she really loved the 5 days with me and that she was ready to talk with her parents about us and that she was sure to do something about it.
Then, it was like if she just went one step back, saying "Well, I'm not sure, now, about marriage..."
I then told her my point of view...
Many persons get married and divorce, but there is no way to criticize about western countries and china, because it is the same, I think, everywhere in the world. I also told Liyan that she was frightened because of a marriage between a chinese woman and a western man and that most of time it came to separation? But what about her friend and her husband? (*meaning he was chinese, so, we were not to blame, here*)
I told too that I know some of my friends who knew in a few weeks then lived together, on the next year they got married and now had 3 babies and are still together. I meant that every man has his own lovestory, we can not say "this one married and divorce, so I will not marry..." because the situation, the story would never be the same...
She understood it.
I also told her I really loved her, I didn't have to think about marriage if I MUST HAD to think about divorce.. just because if I would have to think about DIVORCE, I would never think about marriage...
She also understood it too.
She then excused herself because as her friend was a very good friend, that affected her, and I told her that I could understand it clearly. Even if it was a "bad news", but that, however, was not meant to be the same for Liyan.
Sometimes, I feel she cares and worries about many things because of the language, because of living outside china, because of many things, but she also told me she was ready to do that choices because she loved me.
I also told her that yes, we needed time to know about each other, but even if we were together, at the end of our lives, who would say we could know each other 100%? Nobody really can, it's again my personal point of view. Man can know maybe 95-99% of his half-one but not 100%. But anyway, it was very nice to be able to know some more about each other day by day. I also sent her all the photos about my childhood, with my family, and she was very happy to get it. i also told her that yes, I'd wish to go again in February to see her (St Lover's day) and we talked about wedding, I then said "maybe that day would be special" and she then said "maybe good news that day"... she smiled...
So I do my best to give her any comments and my point of view about it.
She was very tired as it was midnight and had to go sleeping.
Her last words were "you will with me" and I asked then "how long?" and she said "I hope always".
The word "hope" means that she can worry but she'd like something very nice to happen...
Well.
I had to go and see one of my best friends and his girlfriend, we talked about Liyan and me many times and they gave me good comments about it, that yes, we needed time, and for sure, they could understand Liyan's worries, too, and about her parents.
They also told me to relax and to see how it will evolve with time.
But however, when I came back home, I sleeped very bad... maybe 2 hours...
I felt a bit "guilty" about my comment yesterday night about Liyan's friend and her lovestory and I didn't want to hurt Liyan, too. I then sent her a sms plus a mail, saying that I was sorry if I didn't find the righteous words about her friend and her lovestory, and how much Liyan was important to me
"ni dui wo hen zhong yao" (you are important to me)
I worried this morning about yesterday night. Maybe should I not?
She sent me a message, hoping I had good sleep, and that I didn't have to worry about us.
She then make me smiling, I thanked her about her message on my mobile, and she then said "my dear Tan Wen kiss you" and I then thanked her again and kiss her back.
So now...
I don't really know what to say, I'm happy anyway because of her message this morning. I just hope all will go on well on QQ when I'll talk to her... maybe today afternoon or maybe tomorrow, as today is my daughter's birthday..
To be continued.
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Sylvain , reading in the middle of your last note where Liyan was getting tired she left a word out I think , what she was asking was " You will be with me " I would have answered that with "forever" not " how long" as you answered a very important Question [ for Liyan ] with a question , but just keep up with the flow , keeping her smiling is the most important thing , regards Robert .
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Robert, thanks for your comment. In fact I could have replied "forever", yes, because she always like hearing this, as "together" ("women", in chinese) :) but... i didn't.
Well...she didn't ask me if I will be with her but told me as I think I'd be in her dreams.
But as you say, keeping her smiling is the most important thing. Thanks again ;)
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Sly,
It appears to me that Liyan got a little scared when her friend told her she was getting a divorce. She responded by questioning your relationship. If this were to happen to me my response would be a little different than yours. I would say, "I understand. Hopefully it will mot come to that." And then I would try to walk away from the subject. To me the only thing that helps is time and understanding. It is not a time to panic, that does not help but understanding does.
Shaun
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Sly , you and Liyan are doing just the thing you two must do and that is Talk things out now when your apart . Make her comfortable about everything that she has to change in her Life , because of having to leave China , leave all her friends behind ... ect. Of course she will go through what she is going through right now . She has time now to think of all those things and her Head will be spinning and cause her sleepless night's too . So , tell her everything to put her at ease (which you are doing right now ) and get her to feel glad to make that big leap to your Home / Country . Remember you talking her away from everything she grew up with and of course her Parent's know this and are also reluctant to let this happen . Back to , you need to let them ALL know Liyan will be well taken care of , when with you . You doing great , things are far from hopeless ... so keep doing what you are doing . You can only do your best , same for Liyan . Believe me , I'm going to have my Hands full with Qing too ... for the same reasons .
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Sly, in this case ALL women are the same. They hear of a divorce and they panic. Don't let it bother you. They get over it quickly.
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I admit that what you say, Vince, seems to be quite right...
I spoke to Liyan a bit today and she was happy talking to me, saying that I din't have to worry about us and that about her friend was just "for her friend" and that, for sure, everybody has his own lovestory.
She also told me that she was very happy with me, so... why couldn't it work?
She gave me many smiles and also told me "best wishes to your daughter" :)
I agree too that with you, Arnold and I am grateful about the brotherhood that is still active here. :)
So... the lovestory's still active...
Any more news later, guys' :)
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Just a small update.
Everything with Lyian is very good.
Recently, she saw my daughter, via QQ. My daughter sent her many kisses and was smiling, so was Lyian... :)
So... I'm very happy because of that.
One other good news is that I'm planning to go there again. In February. For St Valentine's Day, so.
Ok, it's long, ok a bit less than 3 months and I'll see how everything is.
By the way, I am beginning to save money, because I plan to go in Beijing... and Chengde.
So...
Nothing special about Lyian's papa and mama, but her sister likes me, so does one of her friends.
(I'm just waiting for her papa to "give me any chance" to be with his wonderful daughter.)
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Just a small update.
Everything with Lyian is very good.
Recently, she saw my daughter, via QQ. My daughter sent her many kisses and was smiling, so was Lyian... :)
So... I'm very happy because of that.
One other good news is that I'm planning to go there again. In February. For St Valentine's Day, so.
Ok, it's long, ok a bit less than 3 months and I'll see how everything is.
By the way, I am beginning to save money, because I plan to go in Beijing... and Chengde.
So...
Nothing special about Lyian's papa and mama, but her sister likes me, so does one of her friends.
(I'm just waiting for her papa to "give me any chance" to be with his wonderful daughter.)
Sly
Good to see you return. I hope you will be there for Chinese New Year...it is a wonderful time...but a bit cold for me !!
David
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He, David ;)
I'll be there (in Gz at first) on February, 14th :) Just try to guess why? :D
About the coldness, maybe will it be cold, maybe not?
With Lyian, we'd like to visit Beijing and Chengde (2 weeks holidays) :)
I saw recently the weather in Chengde : -17° at morning... :icon_confused: how to say that Lyian was very scared about that weather, because in Gz, it was almost 10° at morning for her...
would it be more cold in February, over there? I don't know...
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still a bit chilly in those parts in febuary
but it is manageable
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Lyian is scared about that, just because in Gz and Zhongshan, the weather is warmer than in Beijing/Chengde. So... I just think I'll have to find something, to not see her becoming my "freezy rainbow" :D
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This is how I see the weather pattern of locations in China. I've said this before in the past. If you take a world map that is flat and draw a lateral line across, New York (where I grew up) and Shenyang is on about the same line. So I know what the weather is like there. As for a line from Florida where I live now is equal to Guangzhou / Guangdong, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and I'm still in 80 degree (F) weather here. There are times in the dead of winter a chill will drop low enough for the temp. to drop to chilly. But I expect the weather along this line to be in a warmer climate not chilly all winter.
So I would think going to Guangzhou and that area you shouldn't count on it being cold for long.
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Hmm, Wuhan's on the same line as the middle east, yet it can get bitterly cold when the wind comes down from the frozen North.
Don't underestimate a Chinese lady's fear of the cold though - mine hates it. I guess cold weather means you can get sick, then you can't work and might get big health bills. The cold weather is a good opportunity to send our ladies wooly hats, socks etc. though!
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Vince and brett,thanks for the comments ;)
as you say, brett, Lyian wrote me, just to say that it is cold in Zhongshan actually, and one of her best friends is just sick and is at hospital, to have treatment for 3 days... let's hope she won't be sick too.
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Just for a idea of.... just checked the weather in both places.
Hong Kong - China
Clear
64°F
UV Index: 0 Low
Dew Point: 57°F
Humidity: 77%
Visibility: 5.0 miles
Pressure: 30.00 inches and steady
Wind: From the East Southeast at 5 mph
Ft. Lauderdale, Fl - US
Partly Cloudy
80°F
UV Index: 0 Low
Dew Point: 69°F
Humidity: 69%
Visibility: 10.0 miles
Pressure: 29.97 inches and steady
Wind: From the East at 12 mph
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Yes Sly, my lady's mother is still in hospital, so I know why the Chinese fear the cold. I guess she was a bit like me on my trip, she got a bug then failed to get better due to the horrible air pollution (her illness is more serious than that, but I won't go into details). We are lucky in that we can go home again and clear our lungs, but Chinese residents don't have that luxury.
I think my lady's parents should move to the coast, but I don't know if they would want to as all their family (and they have a vast family) is in Hubei Province.
I guess living by the coast might be a lot more expensive though so perhaps they couldn't afford to move. I'm not sure if anyone would understand their Yichang dlalect either!
Send some Lyian some wooly long socks though, they're a thoughtful and sexy gift!
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Brett, well, best wishes to your lady's mother, and I hope she can recover quick.
About long socks, well, I'm beginning to think about it more and more, it would be bad to have a love's kiss freezing when arriving in China :)
And about moving to the coast, why don't you try to talk about it with your lady and her parents? :) that could be a good idea, don't you think so?
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Hi there.
a bit some many news.
Well, it's been a long long time that I didn't come here, and many reasons occured :
I had some "problems" within my family, related to my ex and my daughter, because of her boyfriend (my ex's boyfriend, not my daughter's because she's too much young :p)
things have been that he became more and more jealous, and hurt her a bit... after 3 weeks, I had to talk to her and to say that I cared not only for her, but also for our daughter, who talked to us about it many days... now, things are over, they are separated and that's also a very good thing.
I also encountered problems with my network's provider. In fact, I didn't want to go on with the previous one (too many problems), then I decided to change... but well, after 2 weeks, they still can't give me any access even for 10 mins...
so I can only access Internet at work but my boss is not very "nice" those last weeks...
many problems also occured at work, and most of us are thinking about changing or leaving that ####ing job.
A bit some more news about my trip, so.
I am right now in Beijing, in Holiday's Inn Central Plaza, since yesterday. And we have access to Internet :) so that I can post here.
After 16 hours by plane, I finally could be with Lyian again. I could not be with her from Gz to Beijing by flight, as mine from Paris encountered problems, related to the weather (we left Paris with 2 hours delayed), and I also missed the one in Gz with 10 mins... so I had to buy another ticket, but my flight arrived in another terminal than Lyian's one. As my mobile was very low battery, it became a bit hard but well, I kept her number in a paper so it was helpful. We finally were together again after 1 hour spend in the airport, looking for the other one ^^'
Once we arrived at the hotel, I was so tired that I think i have almost sleeped more than 12 hours since I'm in Beijing :)
We ate in a restaurant, at night, and we could hear and see many fireworks, up to late in the night.
Well, now she's just finishing to have shower, so we will go to Tian an men's square and the Forbidden City, as we're just near ^^'
Maybe some photos to be posted soon.
By the way, Lyian and myself wish you a happy new year :-)
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Happy New Year Sly - I hope the year of the Tiger brings you roaring good success.
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GREAT NEWS MY FRIEND, ENJOY YOUR TIME IN BEIJING...:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:.
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Rhonald and Scottish Rob, Lyian and me wish you a happy new year too and hope things can be very good for you and your families:)
Actually, in Beijing, we can hear fireworks.... but I'm surprised it can be so loudly and that even some cars have alarms who are ON because of that.... ^^
so...Let's go visiting and liking that cold weather ^^' (-10 this morning)
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Good tp see ypu back here and hear your back in China. :icon_biggrin:
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hows the weather up north?? pretty cold here in the south
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Hey Sly,
Glad to see you back online. Have a wonderful time and remember details and pictures.
Happy New Year,
Shaun
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Sorry to hear about all the trouble back Home .
Sly , great to see you together with your Lady again . Enjoy Beijing , your LAdy and maybe hook up the Sarge ( Jim ) for some Beijing Noodle's . Did you remember to bring my Tour Guide's number ? He will treat you both very nice , just tell him about me and Qing . If not , I'll kick his behind quarter's . hehe
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Vince, TTj', Shaun, Arnold, happy new year to all of you :)
pictures will follow soon. Yesterday we went to Tian an Men & Forbidden city (damn, it is very too big ^^)
and today we go to Temple Of heaven :)
Arnold, we will contact your friend today ;) so I think he would easily remember about you & Qing :)
NB : weather is cold here, we were under 0° yesterday afternoon :)
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Ohh ... the old waiting game again , but it will be worth the wait for your next Adventure in a colder Climate this time . Your Lady is going to keep you warm I hope ? Heck .. I know she will .
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Well Sly , you have done it now . My friend ( Jonvey ) the Tour Guide even wrote me , that he is thankful for the recommendation ... before we received any news from you and your Lady . I know Beijing is BIG , but you can't hide forever .
Helloooo ... where are you ?
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he must be waiting to update when he gets home.
to enthralled in the experience
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Exactly.
Sorry to write only now, but we were so busy here and there that I could not connect long on my computer when we were back to the hotel, most of time.
Well...
Too bad.
Because 2 weeks were so short.
Too sad.
Because I had to leave once again Liyan.
But...
Very happy because we decided to marry, and we bought the rings, and then...
We just offered it to each other's, on the righteous finger :)
No ceremony, no official weddings with family, friends and so on. Only the rings, at first.
and later, we will have to celebrate "officially" the wedding, with our families.
I will tell more about our trip in another message, because actually i have no network at home, i must call my provider because of that, and i am using my phone to connect as a modem....
Btw, Arnold, yes, you're right, we contacted Jon, but he replied lately (mei guan xi ^^), and we decided to go the great wall, whatever he could help us to go there... or not.
see ya in another message so with some photos ^^'
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Congradulations Sly.It sounds like you had a very good time.
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Wow, amazing news Sly! I only wish I had my own good news, but I am trawling chnlove in search of another lovely. It's hard work and I'm not enjoying it at all :dodgy:. I can't wait to see your photos!
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Ahh ... he survived the Cold ! Or should I say the HEAT ?:heart:
Great to hear you found your Lady finally in Liyan and can't wait to get more of the details and Photo's .
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Congratulations! to you both. :icon_cheesygrin:
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Félicitations Sylvain !!!
On fait un mariage groupé? :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
This French ... in case you want to Google translate this :fi_lone_ranger:
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Congratulations Sly on you good news.
I wish you and your lady my very best and hope that the both of you will have a very long and happy life together.
Félicitations Sly sur vous de bonnes nouvelles.
Je souhaite que vous et votre Mademoiselle de mon mieux et j'espère que tous les deux vous aurez une vie très longue et très heureux ensemble.
It’s nice that you were able to spend a couple of weeks together. When it is time to leave you are torn between the family at home and your sweetheart, so the heart stings are pulled in many directs and there are a lot of emotions that are niggling at you and the days seam to go by very slowly.
However you have one the world’s greatest luxuries Sly, is that you have your wonderful lady waiting for you and you can look forward to your futures together in each others arms.
All the best Sly, looking forward to your updates and pic.
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Hi there, mates, brothers :)
I am very happy, always my head on the clouds, thinking more and more about what happened those last days with Liyan and all those things that were so wonderful to share.
Thanks to all of you for your precious replies/congrats, because I am very happy to read it and to share it with you :)
In those precious moments, I know sometimes we want all the best for each of us, and for sure, I am very happy to be her "lao gong", and that she is my "lao po" :)
I am also sorry because I still have many problems with my network provider, so I must connect via my phone to give some little news over here.
Liyan told first at her parents that she was in Beijing with a friend, but once we were in Beijing, 3 days later, her mother called her, and Liyan told her she was with me in fact, she loved me and that, no, she didn't want to be married with a chinese man. It seems she found some words so that her mother could better understand about Liyan and me.
Now, she is worried about many things, how could Liyan come to France, would she go back in China and so on, could I really help her and so on.
So, for sure, I told Liyan about a "plan".
I want to help her to learn french language in some "training centers", when she will be able to live in France with me.
I think she could then later find some interesting jobs, maybe could she work as translator, or working in some companies which english / chinese is required, so that really could help her. I am sure there are some companies like that in France.
I must also see for her to get a visa and to be sure I can help her, to live with me (I read somewhere I needed to have more than 10 000$ so help her, in case she would had to go back in China? ??? is it right?)
I also know and told Liyan I would like to marry in China and then in France, and she is also ok with it.
Photos will follow soon, about our trip in Beijing and other places, sorry, but you must wait a little bit some more.
(or you can check on FB if you want, but most of time, it is "french writting" :s )
Frank, mariage groupé? Eheh, à voir :) tu vas te marier quand?
Thanks for the congrats :)
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Salut Sylvain,
I think you're talking about the certificat d'hébergement for a tourist Visa in France right? You don't necessarily need to prove that you have 10K $, and your parents could help you if needed by doing the certificat. She normally has to prove she has money and/or property and a motive to go back to China, but there is a path through a fiancee Visa.
Have a look on Bonjourchine (http://www.bonjourchine.com/), there is tons of info about that and also how to marry. It is possible to bring her in on a tourist visa, but the easiest is to marry her in China, then bring her in on a spouse Visa, more info on what you need here (http://fr.china-embassy.org/fra/zgzfg/zgsg/lsb/gzrz/t196605.htm). The Chinese consulate do not answer their phone, best is to go there, be there at 13h15 and you get in, or very early in the morning (like well before 8am).
I'm working on that right now ... beware with the job opportunities, there are many many Chinese in France, and many speak English ... it would depend a lot on her degrees, but don't put your hopes too high for her finding a well paid job, be prepared to support her or at least being the main income contributor.
Now photos please :icon_cheesygrin:
Je me marie en Avril si j'arrive à réunir la paperasse ...
Cheers,
Frank
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Yeah I'd love to see photos - I think Liyan was on my favourites list so you're a lucky man Sly!!!
There are lots of Chinese in Europe so it might be tough to find your lady a job, especially as the economy is bad. I am going down the self employment route if mine moves over here, although I suspect that in the longer term I'd be better off moving to Asia.
P.S. I think I've found you on facebook!
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i know the chinese language is one in the states that is gaining
in popularity at language schools and community colleges so maybe
she could teach chinese there in France.
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Yeah, start with me :D
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Hi & many thanks for the tips ;)
Well, I'm using again my phone as modem to connect quickly.. (too bad...)
I am thinking about a turist visa if Liyan can come for a short period (just one week, at first), then, when I would go there again, then if everything is very good (because of her parents), then being ready for the wedding in China, and then looking for spouse visa.
Frank, I began to look on BonjourChine, I found some many good tips on it, for sure, it is useful.
Liyan told me that today she would go to see how to do to get a visa to come in France. Actually no news, but I think she is busy.
I gave her my chinese mobile (when I was in Shanghai, i bought one), so now she will use it. (i think i already deleted all that could be inside before giving it to her)
Well.
Brett, yes, you found on Facebook, and for those who are looking for me : Sylvain DELAMBILY.
I will read your stories and many other links here whenever possible, but with a little network connection, it is a bit difficult ^^'
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Sylvain, you can find the tourist visa information easily on the French Embassy in China sites, google it. There is a ton of paperwork required but it's not impossible ...
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Frank, Thx for the info, I've googled many times and I think that, that url is useful :
http://www.consulfrance-canton.org/Visas-pour-la-France.html?lang=fr
So now I'll tell Liyan about it.
By the way, I am at work now.
A few words to give some little updates.
"jealous" or not...
I've noticed when I was in Beijing with Liyan that she was a bit jealous because I had some photos about a few contacts in my phone. So, I just deleted it because I saw she didn't like it.. (Well, it's my fault, I admit), but I told her that since I met her, I didn't write back to the other ladies, and that another one talked to me on QQ but was not from China love. Well, she again asked me to not talk to her... even if I didn't have webcam with that young lady (who has a boyfriend, btw)
Yesterday, we were talking on QQ (Liyan and me) and I noticed she was busy with "someone else" on QQ, too. So, I asked her, and she said she was speaking to another man, from Switzerland, blue eyes & so on...
Well...She also said that yes, she had webcam with him.
So...
I don't know if man can agree if I ask her why I can't talk to ladies on QQ, and why she can talk to men, or if that is not a good idea because it can be linked to a little quarrell.
She also saw there was something wrong and she saw I was a bit sad, I explained her a bit and she said that she wasn't talking to the man "now". But she told me before she talked to him for a very long time (I didn't ask if it was before or after she met me)...
If anyone has some ideas or comments, I'm ok for advices.
Anyway, as I said to Liyan, I believe in her & myself, but I don't want to be jealous for all & nothing, and that we "should" be "equal" in love.
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Little update, I am with my daughter, and I am in my ex's home (she lives in a flat), but she's not here actually, because she's working, and as her house is just so close to my daughter's school, I can both see my daughter and use a little bit my laptop to connect via wifi.
Liyan told me about papers, that she needs to find "a good time" to talk to her parents, because they always want her to be with a chinese man, but she shows them that she's persistent about me and that she really loves me.
Of course, they know about the ring we both have on our fingers, but to them, a ring is not a wedding.
And Liyan told me that we need a very good plan if we want them to "agree" for us to be together.
By the way, I told her I was thinking about that, but ... it seems that my plan is just "nothing sure at all".
I told that first, I needed to save some money for the wedding and for the flight to go there and come back (with her, so)
that I was looking too for training centers around my city, for Liyan to learn french language.
Once Liyan would had a good level, then she could apply for a job, but that maybe we could before have holidays to go together in China.
Then, later, having a baby.
But Liyan told me that her parents are "speeding" her up, because they want her to be marry very quick (she'll be 30 years old in October), and that she should have a baby quick, too, because they want to see the baby growing around their home...
She also said me that my plan is maybe not a good one, that we had to talk more about it and that she can't see for papers to get tourist visa, as her parents don't say "yes" for her to be with me...
Then, I know the parents problem is still active and that it is still harsh...
I don't know if some of you encountered the same problem, but well...
Liyan told me she knows she wants to be with me and that she faced many times her parents because of me...
but will she be able to face them about the wedding and so on.. ?
And how can I help her, except by always being beside her and saying her that I really love her and know what I want to live with her?
About photos, I will resize first, then I will upload some here, I promise.
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and here are some photos I did in Beijing, Tianjin, and Gz :)
Sorry that it comes so "lately" :blush:
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Yes the parents problem is a big one, do not ignore the parents as I found out!
You need to get the parents on your side. We'll have to scratch our collective heads and come up with something.
I am beginning to think that if I want a Chinese wife I will have to live in China.
If Liyan was an only child it would be 10x worse, so at least there's one good thing :s. Her 30th birthday is a big milestone - I think the family loses quite a bit of face if their daughter isn't married by that age :dodgy:.
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I can't ignore Liyan's parents, because I know it's a big problem I have to face, with Liyan. But we MUST find something to make it all good, and to show them how I am with Liyan, and how she is with me.
I must talk this afternoon with Liyan about a "plan", related to her parents and to us. Living in China could be easy, but I have a daughter, and I can't for the moment... but I don't want to leave Liyan, nor to stop with her, just because of our love and the "envy"? (needing?) to be together :)
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Sly , I hate you !!
Showing me those Photo's and makiong me feel bad for not being there .:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
There wonderful and so is Liyan , very pretty Lady . I know you again will do your best and keep us all on our Toe's like the last time .
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Arnold, I must learn more and more cantonese and mandarin to be able to see her parents, I think. Because her "mama" is "closed" to see me.
I told Liyan about sending flowers for her mother, she just replied that she would not believe it is from me. Well... Her mama doesn't really believe in many things, and Liyan told me about a story, and says her mama is a bit the same as the mama in the story.
There is a lady and her mother. Her mother really loves her and finds her a job, but the lady dislikes it. However, her mama says her to do that job... many quarrels happen between her and the mother, and the lady jumps... and dies.
Her mother doesn't understand and doesn't want to believe that her daughter is dead, because she really loves her. Unfortunately, she's really dead...
She also said me that each September, many students would be dead because they learnt bad, and didn't want to see expectations from their parents... who also became crazy.
Well...
i just don't know what to think about it, but I know that it is not very good. Liyan also told me that her mother is a bit like me, she would do anything for her daughter, but doesn't want to "believe" in gifts I could send.. Maybe because she would think it is from Liyan and not from me.
But I will buy something from Paris to send to Liyan, and then, maybe her mother can guess it is really from me...
Actually, Liyan is ill ... because of woman's problems... (not good at all because she is not fine at all and will go see a doctor tomorrow...)
sorry but there is no baby yet.... (and anyway we should wait to be officially together...)
^^'
Arnold, well. For sure I'll do my best.
Plus, I got a good news : one new colleague learnt chinese for more than 1 year and will help me, he gave me lessons on my usb stick, with weblink to learn more and more chinese :) it will be useful :)
About next trip, well...
Liyan told me she needs household certificate?? or something related to household and that only her papa could give to her... but only if he would approve our "union".
So.. I looked on many url's but I don't know if that is right... even if Liyan would have to come only one week in France to visit ?
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Sly , when a push comes to a shuff ... I even have Qing call Liyan and her Mother and back up how nice of a Guy ( Fellow ) you are after we have met you in Shanghai . Like I have said we will do whatever we can to help you get this done and not have this break apart again for you .
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Xiexie ni, Arnold. I'll even talk about that to Liyan if really "necessary" to make her mama understand about us. Thanks anyway for your help, I really like and appreciate, be sure about it. Don't forget to thank Qing too for me ;)
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Sylvain D,
As she is now almost 30 years old, she does not need or require any parental permissions, she is a Full Chinese Citizen in her own right!!!
Come to that, ...I've never heard of a ''Household Certificate'' !!!!
David....
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but Liyan was sure about it, that she needed her papa's agreement to obtain that paper... that is why I don't really understand.
She said that, that paper is related to all members of a same family, including the baby, the father and the mother.
I will look on the "history" of the talking we had today about all that. Because it seemed so important that Liyan said that she could not leave China without that paper and could not even marry me.
Thx for your comment about it, David. I must check it again to find the righteous word with "household"
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Sylvain D,
Lucy will be back from her business trip to Greece tomorrow evening, ..I'll ask her if she has any idea what certificate Liyan maybe talking about. ....Unless someone else's wife, or one of our Chinese bros here comes up with the answer for you first...lol!!!
David......
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Back home and I read back the history of the talking with Liyan.
"household register".
So Liyan said that without it she can't marry nor come in France. But why??
I just thought that whatever she lived with her parents or not, she didn't have to have that paper if she would come in France with a turist visa at first?
And that paper is also only when marrying, or did I miss something??
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Sly , are we talking about the Family Book ? Does Liyan have a Passport already , if not she will need that Book to apply for one . Anything Qing and I did , which involved any kind of " Official " paperwork .. we needed to have this Book on us . So if the Parent's are not willing to hand it over to their Daughter , for a Visa or Marriage ... she is out of luck . Hope it does not come to this , they would have her under a barrel .
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Well, here are the sentences from Liyan :
"all you family,the people name inside"
"divorced people have a "household register"
"because they are marryed,so they are family not papa mama,is kid and wife or husband "
"i need papa get me "household register"
"if not have this ,i can not marry with you and can not go france"
I don't really know if she has a passport...but I was thinking about a family book, too... sorr for my bad english, sometimes :(
I just know she has an id card when we were in bj... that's all.
but about a passport, I don't think so, or maybe is it too old, i don't know...
so, if she doesn't have one, it's lost for her & me? because her parents can decide to not give it to her?
And if she got one but which is old?
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Now i'm really baffled!!! I can only think this Red book is the marriage register book you get when you marry, as i think any children you later have is registered in those red books... Maybe As Qing has been previously married she probably had her own red book with her child's details recorded therein..
What i can't understand, is why do they need that book to acquire a passport or marry?? After all, there National ID card has All the information they would need, can't think of anything that would be in the other red book that's not recorded on there ID card!!!
Hahaha!! Now my curiosity is going to have to wait until i can get the In's and Outs from Lucy, I know she has her Red book here with her. Funny how these things pop up from time to time, and you haven't got a clue what these things are all about, and the reasons behind them ..... but i will find out about this one...lol!!!
David......
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David , as I saw it .. it was alway's the Family Book we needed . Never saw Qing come up with an "OLD" Red Book of her previous Marriage of any kind .
I'm also interested what your Wife has to say about all this .
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As I don't remember if Liyan got a passport or not... it'll be harsh...
Plus, if she got a passport, maybe is it too old by now... Would she need a passport to go to HongKong? I think yes, but not sure...but anyway, if that is yes, I would think that it's still too old now...
It's becoming difficult.... :s
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Arnold,
Can't Qing throw any light on this family register book, or are you still at work?? i have to wait till tomorrow afternoon before i can start interrogating Lucy ..hahaha!!! So maybe you can find out a little more from Qing in the meantime?? ...haha!!
Don't you just hate it when curiosity gets the better of you !!! lol!!!
David
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Yes it does David . I'm still at work and my LaoPo has School today at seven . As soon as I get home .. it's taking her there . Afterwards , I'll ask her and post .. if she can clear this up more .
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What the lady is talking about is the family book.Every household in China has one.From what I understand.They need it to get married in China.Iv'e never heard of it being needed for a passport.
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Maxx
they do need it to marry and also to obtain their first passport
if they do not have one. but the parents can hold it but she
could also go get a new one if she says she lost the original
at least here in gz they can do that as my wife did it a few years ago
when she needed a new one. they can also get there what they call
birth papers at the hospital they were born in if they dont have the
original
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Ted's right...you need it for that little red book you may want to obtain here and she will need it for passport...my wife had it when we did both applications
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Okay , I have ask Qing and she agrees with me . She did need the Family Book for her Passport , both to come here to the States and the one to go to Hong Kong with . Of course you need it for Marriage , but a Visa .. No ..because you need a Passport for that .
Now she also say's , this is Shanghai rules ... different in other Cities like everything else .
About Liyan tell the Official's she lost the Family Book , wont help her either .. because her Parent's are needed to replace it with a new .
So a Visiting Visa for Liyan is out of the question , if the Parent's wont bring forward this Book . Besides , they might think .. their Daughter will go to Visit France and Marry over there without their permission . This is certainly a sticky situation for Sly . Back to butter up the Mom , I think is the only real chance to save Face for all .
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I was wrong.I talked to my wife again.And she said yes she needed her family book.And her citizen card to get a passport
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Liyan has her citizen card, but the family book must be "given" by her parents, so?
No way to "escape" if she wants to apply for a new one, going to her hometown and the hospital where she's born?
Well... :s
Thanks for the infos anyway, dudes.
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Sly , I know it's not good news ... but You and I know all is not lost yet . Heck , knowing the fighter you are and Liyan seems to be right there in that catagory .. you have to work on the Mom and Liyan on the Brother's help on this . You said it yourself , both of you need a GOOD plan and work it together equally . I realize it is hard from the other side of the World , but a Man in Love will alway's find a way and she'll do the same if the Love shared is Mutual .
It makes me wish , these Agencies would only take on Ladies that have the approval already from their Parent's before signing up . Would be soo much simpler for all .
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Arnold, you're so right...
by the way, as Liyan is ill those last days, she doesn't really want to do anything... nor to talk to her parents, nor to talk about papers, it seems.
I'm still waiting news from her, since my mail yesterday night, even if there, it's 02:25 pm.
I hope she's gone to see another doctor, even if she dislikes it.
Maybe some news only tonight...
Wel.
I need to make a good plan, for sure, and I hope Liyan will do all her best for that, too.
Maybe I'll go there back in end of June or in July, one week... I have to see.
But the aim about my next trip is to meet her parents. As we say, never 2 without 3, and it'll be my third trip to see Liyan.
I hope that trip would be very good. and helpful for each of us.
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Sylvain,
I'm curious, but have you met Liyan's parents? I don't recall reading about that part. What I would suggest is that at the first opportunity, you go meet her parents. That will go a long way to easing this issue. Another thing is to learn more than just a few simple phrases. Xie Xie and Ni Hao will only get you so far. But asking them for their daughter's hand in marriage in mandarin would go a long way as well.
The point is to show your intent. I don't know if having Qing call on your behalf would help. As generous as the offer is, Liyan's mother doesn't know who Qing is. If Liyan's brother and any of Liyan's friends who have met you can talk to her, that would make a difference. Remember, it's who you and they know. Not some strangers. Case in point, Ronan's friend Yamaha.
I'm also not sure how big the chinese community is in France. But a "presentation" showing how Liyan would be happy there wouldn't hurt as well.
Not sure if any of this is of any help, but I hope it is.
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Little update.
Liyan just wrote me... Sad news because she doesn't have any passport...
Well...
Now we must "work" on a very good plan and on her mother. And I must learn more and more chinese, hoping to be able to meet her parents in my next trip.
If not... that would be very very bad, I think...
Let's keep some hope. & wish.
MustFocus, sorry, i didn't see your post.
So, no, I've never met her parents because the first time, they didn't want to see me nor to hear about me.
The 2d time, the mama didn't want to see me, and Liyan's sister could't help Liyan because of their mother.
My chinese is a bit some poor sometimes, I can say some sentences but still difficult to "understand" when someone replies to me in chinese... except a few sentences...
It seems that they worry a lot about Liyan and that anyway, her mother really wants to marry her with a chinese man, but Liyan always says "no" to her mother...
Liyan also told her mama about me when we were in BJ (2d trip) and her mama was surprized and asked some questions...
Maybe you're right, by learning more and more chinese, I'd like to meet them and to ask Liyan's hand to her parents, and maybe Kiki (Liyan's best friend) and maybe some other friends or her brother, could help too.
I don't know...
I can also do some "researchs" about chinese community in France, and in Paris, too, because I live in the suburbs.
Thanks anyway for your reply ;)
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Sly,
souds like the mom is old school? will Liyan be able to turn her around
and let her to accept that she is not marrying a chinese man?
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Ted, I willy for it, for sure.
And Liyan seems to know what she wants...
So, I just can cross all my fingers the best I can and pray for that to work...
and hope to meet her parents soon....
I've ordered 2 books to learn more about chinese language. Because I want to be very good ASAP... even if it will be difficult... but well.. I must do it.
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your right we do need to learn their language also as it is
not right for us to expect them only to make changes. it is
a two way street
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The more i can learn, the more I can help Liyan too. Love is love :)
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Sly - have you got a Chinese teacher? I'm going to classes, it's a great way to learn. There were only two of us students today so that was pretty intensive.
I've got to tell you, if a Chinese lady wants to teach you Chinese there's no place to hide!!!! Today hongs and huangs were being forced into my brain. I won't forget the Chinese words for different colours in a hurry.
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Hahaha..... Oh Dear!!!! ....Now i'm going to confuse the whole issue..... Lucy is adamant that you no longer need the Brown book to marry, but you do need for applying for your first passport. The only thing she's not sure of is, if it's different when you are marrying a foreigner!!!
She has her Brown book here with her, she says's it's just basic information that's recorded. Also she says that most of these brown books are rarely kept uptodate by the family.... For example, there is no record of her divorce in hers, she says it's just too much trouble to get these things recorded, but she does have her green divorce book...lol!!....
Lucy said, that many people in China are confused about most official requirements in general, as the government and local authorities are always changing the rules. So they tend to take all official documents with them when applying for anything to do with, or associated with National and Local government...
She also commented that these brown books were once very important, in her parents day, but now hold little importance, the National ID card has long since taken over from these books.
They issue these books when you are married, and you update the thing as and when babies are born, get divorced, School/education record etc. But these days, separate birth and death certificates are issued, school graduation certs issued, etc,etc So these books that were once the sole record of a family, are almost redundant in present day China...
Well that's Lucy's explanation to me, on the matter of these Brown books.
David.........
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Tell Lucy thanks for that info . David . I did not feel that while we did all the run around with Paper's , but I can see it perfectly going this way as she said .. along with other Cultural things .
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Brett, in fact I got one teacher before going to see Liyan, but I didn't call her since a few months.. . I think I'll use her teaching lessons again, even if she's 30€ / 1 hour. It is also useful. I even ordered 2 books to learn more and more about chinese. So I must improve the best I can, and ASAP :)
David,
Thx for your news, so, if I really understand, maybe in a few time, the family book will become useless? But if Liyan needs to have a passport, actually, she really needs to get that paper.
And to add some small update :
I talked to Liyan today, I told her I had ordered 2 books to learn chinese more and more, and that I would really send something to her mama, like some flowers... Now, Liyan agrees but there is another "problem". As Liyan works in Zs (Zhongshan), she is 2 hours from Gz by bus... so, would flowers be very "good" after so much travelling??? I don't think so...
Maybe one thing that can also be good... to find a good place in Gz where I could send the flowers, then Liyan could get it and go with it to see her parents. She is also ok for me to send some things for her papa (and even her brother & sister). So, it is a good news. I just have to find an idea about Gz & flowers. Maybe asking Chinaroses for example to call Liyan when they can have some flowers ready for her mama?
She told me that (I can't believe that... haha), her mama is scared because she thinks I could sell Liyan once I'll be back in France (bai ni mai le) == I SELL YOU :D
it is also "funny" because Liyan teached me that sentence, but for sure, I don't want to be with Liyan in France to sell her... but even Liyan laughed about that.
Liyan is also ok for me to send a letter to her parents, talking about me, about Paris, and I would talk about chinese people in Paris too. And sending some photos about me & my family.
Liyan thinks that is a very good idea.
About her friends, they can't help because of family affairs, when family needs talking something important, friends are just nothing. I think the brotherhood can clearly understand all that.
Maybe her brother could help, but Liyan must see about that.
Tomorrow she will go to the doctor because still ill.. she can't eat very well because she is ill just next...
Well.
I will look for nice gifts to send to Liyan and her family soon. Maybe some food from Paris and some "little gifts with the Eiffel Tower, photos about the "chinatown in paris" , and maybe some other things.
I need to see.
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Brett, in fact I got one teacher before going to see Liyan, but I didn't call her since a few months.. . I think I'll use her teaching lessons again, even if she's 30€ / 1 hour. It is also useful. I even ordered 2 books to learn more and more about chinese. So I must improve the best I can, and ASAP :)
David,
Thx for your news, so, if I really understand, maybe in a few time, the family book will become useless? But if Liyan needs to have a passport, actually, she really needs to get that paper.
And to add some small update :
I talked to Liyan today, I told her I had ordered 2 books to learn chinese more and more, and that I would really send something to her mama, like some flowers... Now, Liyan agrees but there is another "problem". As Liyan works in Zs (Zhongshan), she is 2 hours from Gz by bus... so, would flowers be very "good" after so much travelling??? I don't think so...
Maybe one thing that can also be good... to find a good place in Gz where I could send the flowers, then Liyan could get it and go with it to see her parents. She is also ok for me to send some things for her papa (and even her brother & sister). So, it is a good news. I just have to find an idea about Gz & flowers. Maybe asking Chinaroses for example to call Liyan when they can have some flowers ready for her mama?
She told me that (I can't believe that... haha), her mama is scared because she thinks I could sell Liyan once I'll be back in France (bai ni mai le) == I SELL YOU :D
it is also "funny" because Liyan teached me that sentence, but for sure, I don't want to be with Liyan in France to sell her... but even Liyan laughed about that.
Liyan is also ok for me to send a letter to her parents, talking about me, about Paris, and I would talk about chinese people in Paris too. And sending some photos about me & my family.
Liyan thinks that is a very good idea.
About her friends, they can't help because of family affairs, when family needs talking something important, friends are just nothing. I think the brotherhood can clearly understand all that.
Maybe her brother could help, but Liyan must see about that.
Tomorrow she will go to the doctor because still ill.. she can't eat very well because she is ill just next...
Well.
I will look for nice gifts to send to Liyan and her family soon. Maybe some food from Paris and some "little gifts with the Eiffel Tower, photos about the "chinatown in paris" , and maybe some other things.
I need to see.
Hey Sly,
It's great that you're making the effort. Although you haven't spent any time with the parents, what about her brother and sister? If friends can't influence the parents (and if they're not that close, I can understand that), try another way to get in. If you've spent time with her brother and sister, then they can be your advocates.
Or Liyan can keep hammering away at her parents and they might relent... It doesn't hurt. Also try sending pictures of you in every day life at home and work... just more tools to help convince them that you can provide for her.
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mustfocus, in fact, I've never seen her sister and her brother, nor her best friend Kiki. But it seems that on my next trip, we'll reach stat step. Because her best friends really likes me, (so does her Papa, it seems, even if he's not Liyan's Papa), and I'm working on the letter to send to Liyan's Mama.
I hope to be able to meet Liyan's brother & sister, too. That would be very good, for sure.
About hammering away at her parents, I think that she's still working on it. But I don't know "why" she says me that her Papa says that she can come in France and that, if she goes back in China alone, that would not be good at all, because when married, the husband and his wife must stay together (I agree on it anyway :) )
Plus, why does her mother would want me to "sell" her daughter, once we'd be in Paris?
I am thinking about all that, but maybe does Liyan talk often to her parents, even if they live 2 hours from her.
Well...
I can also send pictures about me, at work, at home, with my family (parents, daughter) and from my home and 2d house :) )
Well...
Nothing new right now, except that I know today Liyan must see the doctor again.
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Sylvain,
Get to know the brother and sister. If the father likes you, the brother and sister like you, then the mother will eventually come around. I am sure that Liyan will be talking to her parents every day. Calling Guangzhou from Zhongshan should not be that expensive.
The pictures will help. I wouldn't necessarily mention the 2nd house, but along the lines of you providing her with a beautiful home might go a long way. Especially with your daughter.
But if you can bring your daughter to China, even for two weeks and have lots of pictures, that may help as well.
(anyone have any advice on the last part?)
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Haha :)
Forget about the 1st home, because I live in a flat, so does my ex, but her flat is bigger than mine, for sure. In mine, 2 persons can live in, (even if only one room) but 3, it's not possible (or I should move, buying a new one, bigger, but I am thinking about that for later).
I don't think that Liyan is calling her parents everyday, because most of time, she doesn't call them. Maybe does her mother call her sometimes, but not often.
Bringing my daughter (3 years old) in China would be very very long for her, I think. More than 11 hours in a plane, 7 hours decale... well. Maybe later would sound better for her, I think.
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Smal update about Liyan :
she got a gastritis and gastric polyps, and will have a minor operation.
Right now, she can't eat spicy food, sour food, banana and apple... she also have some medicine.
EDIT : she connected quickly on QQ. She went to hospital with Kiki, because she was not fine at all, and will go home again. I'll update that post.
I really don't think Liyan is lying because just before I left Gz, she became ill. At first, she said because I was leaving, she was very sad, but later, she still was ill. So her news this morning via mail.
Well. I hope she can feel better ASAP. As I told to her, I am beside her & love her.
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On behave of the Brotherhood , we wish Liyan the best and a quick recovery .
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Many thanks for your reply, Arnod, and many thanks to the brotherhood.
I am waiting any little update from Liyan, she should arrive at Kiki's home soon.
Anyway I keep you updated about Liyan's health.
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Well, Liyan wrote me this morning...
I don't know what's really wrong with chinese hospitals but I don't really understand why they can't be sure about Liyan's problems...
She told me that yesterday, she was to a big hospital, because she felt uncomfortable, and that she had a lot of checks. A doctor said that it's not stomach's problems but MAYBE appendicitis...
Wow...
the "maybe" just scares me... why can't they be sure????
Plus, if it is appendicitis, I know man can have 3 types of it, small, medium and big... and the big one can be very bad for anyone who hasn't been operated fast...
I'm also scared about it because as I said, Liyan is ill just before I left Gz, on the 28 February... And today is 12 March... so, 2 weeks.... :s
She told me too that the doctor gave her medecine but she still feels uncomfortable. If she's still like that, On Sunday, she'll go back there.
but I told her via mail that if she's really uncomfortable again, that she SHOULD go today, and saying that she is ill since 28/02...
Of course, I care for her... I am also very scared that a big hospital in Gz can't really say why Liyan is ill... (she's vomiting, whatever she can eat, it's not ok)
Sorry to "explain" more about her illness since 2 weeks... but as I said, it's not a baby... for sure.
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Wow, Sly your story is getting more complicated than mine!
From what's I've heard, Chinese hospitals do a lot of checking before they know what's wrong. There are a lot of "maybe's" involved. :s Also there are different standards of hospital - mother Wu got treated in good Yichang one, but they travelled to Wuhan to go to an excellent hospital.
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Liyan sent me another mail, saying she would like to see me tonight. I said ok but if she felt very uncomfortable, that the best would be for her to go to hospital.
Brett, I hope Liyan won't have to go so far away to have a good treatment asap.
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Little update.
Liyan was on QQ. For sure, she is not fine at all, just could walk a little, always pain, and she looked very very tired.
I asked her many times to go to hospital. Finally, she is going there now (it is actually 23:53, chinese hour)
Name of the Hospital where she is going : ?????????
I asked her to give Kiki my QQ Id and my email, so if there is any news, Kiki can bring it to me if she is ok.
Liyan said that she had some injections about her health problem and some "drug" but it doesn't help for a long period.
She showed me where she got pain, most of the time, and it is around appendicitis.
She told me she was like that 7 years ago, and so that I didn't have to worry, but, oh dudes, if you could see her, I think you would be just like me, asking you why she said she could wait to go to hsopital...
Now, I am sad, for sure, because I don't know what else to do to help her, except being beside her, in her heart, praying and hoping she can be operated if necessary fast, and a fast recover, too.
Sorry if you may think that this message should not be here, but I didn't really know where to "put it".
Next update when Liyan or Kiki can bring some news.
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Hi Sylvain,
That's bad news, sorry to hear that ... when you get her to France she will be covered by your sécurité sociale, have her checked out then. Those belly pains can have many different causes and some are hard to find.
At the same time don't worry to much, the Chinese hospitals are good and competent, they will take care of her for the moment.
Frank
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Yeah don't worry - a lot of stomach pains are stress related so it might not be anything. Mrs Wu has got pretty good care from the health service over there.
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Hi Sylvain,
That's bad news, sorry to hear that ... when you get her to France she will be covered by your sécurité sociale, have her checked out then. Those belly pains can have many different causes and some are hard to find.
At the same time don't worry to much, the Chinese hospitals are good and competent, they will take care of her for the moment.
Frank
Hi Frank
Well...
I just gonna think it's just a f....n' hospital :@:@:@
Liyan did many check ups, they can't guess what she really have.. "maybe" seems to be the only words they are sure about...
She had 2 injections today (maybe a bit some more), and the pain is still here... if a doctor said "maybe appendicitis", it seems that other doctor are not sure about it. And Liyan is still at Zhongshan hospital, with her pain, and "nobody" can help her...
What a :@:@:@:@:@
but the hospital asked Liyan to pay... oh well, for that, I gonna think that the hospital can say "sure"....:@
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Sylvain,
I know it's hard to accept ... but these things can be complex. And if she has an appendicitis flare but it's not acute, they won't operate, same here in France.
I could be stress related as Brett suggests, there are many psychosomatic bowel problems ... don't worry too much, she seems not to be too worried too much by it, go ahead and try to do the same.
Good luck in any case!
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So, how man can explain me that since the 27.02 she is ill, most of time, vomiting, and that, if he could see Liyan on QQ as I saw her, yes, for sure, he would have many good reasons to care...
What I can dislike the most is "maybe" from the chinese hospital. What about all those checkups???
Maybe could Liyan have some "calculations"? in her stomach, I don't know, maybe appendicitis, but well, in 2 weeks, that is not the smallest one, if so...
Ok, I know I'm not doctor, but I don't know what to do and expect from what can Liyan have... except than even when walking she said she was didn't feel good at all.
Now, she told me that her phone was low battery and so, right now, I have no news from her...
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Well, thanks anyway for support, Brett & Franck.
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Sly,
maybe when my wife gets back if you want i could get the hospital number
in Foshan which is between GZ and Zhongshan. my brother in law is a doctor
of internal medicine there and is very good and highly respected. maybe she could go
to see him at his hospital. he is a real doctor as in china some people who say they
are doctors are really the equivalant of what we call in the USA registered nurses
just a thought. he does everything including operations if need be
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Ted,
Many thanks for your comment. I really appreciate. Just let me know so when you can have the infos.
I think that it could be "more" useful and helpful to Liyan anyway :)
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i will speak to Sisi about this when she reurns Sunday from linyi
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Thanks again, Ted.
Sleeping was very very short but well...
Kiki sent me an email, saying that Liyan is still at the hospital with stomach aching.
She will bring her phone, charged, this evening, as she told me.
She also gave me her phone, in case I want to call Liyan.
Actually I am at work and I can not but when I will finish with one customer, I will try to call her, because it is actually 06:13 PM.
I know i should maybe not worry but even if I would stress, I could not be ill like Liyan is. So, I don't really think it is "only" stress.
Many news to come soon.
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she is in zhongshan sly? is that were she lives ?
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Ted, yes. She lives there, with her friend Kiki.
Actually, she's still at hospital, but she can't go out, because they STILLL don't know what she can have...
Nothing funny... but well. I called her thanks to one of her best friends who let her her phone, and gave me her phone number on my mailbox. So Liyan told me that this morning, a doctor came, and asked her to not eat... This afternoon, the doctor came back again, Liyan asked if she could eat a little, the doctor asked "why??? of course you can.."
Kiki must come later to visit her at the hospital, and another doctor should come to see her, too.
What I don't really understand, they know where is the pain, but they can't do anything "more"... no operation, no way to "open" nor to examine "inside"... should I believe that they are scared to "open"??? I thought that some chinese hospitals at first were quite good, but that one seems to not be very "good"...
but maybe am I "asking" too much to understand.
Liyan also told me she was very very tired, even if she can go anywhere in the hospital alone, she still feels very very bad because her pain...
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we will get her Sisi brothers name and hospital to them
maybe you can give me a number for Sis to call her and give her
that information and she could go see her. if he cant help her at
least he will get her to who can and will help her
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Many thanks again, Ted.
I will pm you with all the infos needed ;)
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The doctor came again to see Liyan, she asked him what's wrong...
He just seemed to reply "I don't know"...
That is really a f....g hospital...
As it is late now there (11:52 pm), Kiki will stay with Liyan all the night, and tomorrow at morning, Liyan will surely go to another hospital, because there is NOTHING SERIOUS in that one... :@
... and up to now, she's still not fine at all...
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This is getting scary Sly , you know we worry all with you and pray for Liyan .
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Yeah I hope all goes well Sly.
I know a trainee doctor, and he told me that although doctors like to appear super confident, very often they don't have a clue what's wrong with someone :huh:.
As I have found out myself, this long distance relationship thing is very bad when you're waiting for news :@.
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Nothing I can do more to help Liyan, except praying and hoping she can recover the best she can. I told her about Ted and Foshan's hospital.
What else to say? "bu hao" were her first words tonight when I called Liyan, asking : "hao ma?"...
she told me that everybody was "waiting" in hospitals, but I told her that waiting 2 weeks was not good at all. She admitted I was right, but was too much tired to say many things. She also told me "je t'aime", and thanked me to care about her. However, even her family doesn't know she's not fine at all... she doesn't want to "scare" them, maybe...I don't know. Kiki talked to me (in chinese), saying that she thanked me too to care... but well..
hours are "passing" so slowly, that I don't really know what I should do more to help Liyan...
I am thinking about going there on next week if I can catch a cheap flight, just to see her a few hours... I am also very sad, even my ex told me "try to smile, please", but I told her about Liyan, she understands that it's not good news... and said me that I just have to wait...
Sorry to confess over here.. I guess it's getting a hard time for Liyan and me actually... and that I may need the brotherhood to understand how much I can care...Many thanks to those who can care too and worry for each of us.
I don't know what else to say... except that I'd enjoy to be right there, right now, beside her, and to take her with me to come in France.. forever.
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Sylvain,
We all know how you feel. When you are far away from a loved one, even a few moments is an eternity. We know you are very concerned about Liyan. The constant updates you are providing are just a testament to how much you love her.
All we can do right now is hope and pray that she gets better soon. If you can be with her, even for a short period of time, then do so. Sometimes having your support will help her get through the tough times. Show her that you are strong enough to support her and there is nothing she won't do for you.
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mustfocus, I guess you're probably right. I am looking for flights to go there next week. but would one week be "good", or too long... that's a "sad" question
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That's up to you. There are so many factors here to influence your decision. If you had more time, I would book for more time first and then pay the change fee if it's reasonable and necessary.
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I may have a good flight for next tuesday / next wednesday to go there (but 24h for the flight :s). but i need to know about my visa. as I bought one and used it, I think however it is available for 90 days? If so I think I don't have to pay again to go there, right? Then, that is a bit some money saved.
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find out if it's a multi entry or single entry. mine was a dual entry so I could enter China twice. it will say on the visa in your passport.
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Sly , if you could be with her .. like you said for just a day or two , if this would not show MOM how much you Love her .. I don't know what will . This really would be the greatest and most loving thing on could do for their Sweetheart . If it still doesn't soften her up after that , I think it's hopelss for you ... then .
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Neil, it's a single entry in fact. so i think I need to pay again. but i'm ok to pay again in "express mode" to have it done ready for tuesday, even afternoon, or wednesday at morning.
Arnold, yes, I totallly agree with your words.
I told my ex about it. she disagrees a bit about it, then saying me "ok, just let me know when you must go to the airport, I can arrange myself with my boss to get you there".
now, it's 07:18 am for Liyan, I will wait a little before calling her and having some news.
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Sly,
i got your message and will forward to Sisi tonight when i pick her up
at the airport. i will see her at 9pm so ask Liyan if Sisi calls around 10pm
will that be ok?? i will send you a pm on this.
yes if you could swing it then please go there and be by her side she and
the whole family will see your commitment to her which means more than
anything else to the Chinese. even if you were dirt poor but you had the
love and commitment for the daughter the family would accept you as one
of the family thats what is important to them
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Ted, many thx again ;)
I've replied to your PM about Liyan's and she's ok to be called at anytime.
I told her I was looking for flights, she smiled on the phone. but well, how to say to her family i was there with her, as she didn't say her family she was at hospital? her mama would not "really" believe in that... Or maybe would she... I don't know, but well.
Liyan told me she still have pain, but it seems "less" than yesterday... a doctor should come this morning again, but I hate waiting minutes for nothing, or just to hear "i don't know"... Anyway, Liyan told me she promised me to keep me updated about all of it. and is very happy to know I'll go there in a few days. Even for a short period.
Love is all, as sings "Butterfly Ball" (Roger Glover? :) )
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Your Trip
To: Sylvain D
Sly , I need to mention .. that Liyan must tell her Parent's ( Mom ) at ones before you get there . Otherwise all this of you coming to be by her side is not going to do any good .. of softening up the Mom at all . I don't know why she would do this and not tell them about her being sick ? This could be the break you were looking for , let's not let this chance get away .
Qing agree's with me strongly on this too .
Arnold
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Sly, I have a translator contact in Zhongshan. If you need me to contact her for you, you just let me know.
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Arnold, I agree with you. I've just told Liyan about it and she said she will. She feels very very uncomfortable and the doctor said she must wait tomorrow, because today is sunday and that there are only a few doctors.. :@
i gonna ask myself if they really are doctors or just "as" doctors, without any diploma and anything else..
Neil, I think that could be useful.
I must look for flight today, applying a new visa very quick and go there on wednesday, to be there on thursday.
i don't know what else to say, it's very hard to hear Liyan shouting that she's not fine, and even if she's with kiki and kiki's boyfriend, that is not helpful. but thanks to them to be there with Liyan.
NB / Liyan sends me messages via qq mobiles : 12 times since she's at the hospital, she got anti inflamatory drugs... is it really serious??? :@ how can a doctor do ONLY that when he sees she's very very bad? Liyan told Zhongshan hospital is very good hospital...
wow... if so, i don't want to imagine about other hospitals who are not good at all...
Once I'll be in Gz, I need to find a bus or a taxi to go to Zhongshan. but Liyan said me quickly that taxis don't know for most of them how to go to zhongshan...
However, I must go there ASAP and she promised me to call her parents. she told me her hand is hurting too because of injections...
when I hear about 12 injections, I can't imagine how difficult it must be for Liyan...
she always says me "i love you, i love you"
here are the checks she did :
"a lot of checks, blood, urine, B super-, X-ray, stomach."
and the doctors say they will give her results ONCE she'll go out of the hospital, they can't now....!!!!
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sly,
Sisi is in contact with Liyan. she just got off the phone and gave her all the contact ifo for her brother
so she needs to call him. its his day off and even Sisi cant get a hold of him but she will call him when she gats to GZ tonight
she said liyan went home
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Ted, thx for the news.
So, Sisi said you Liyan "went" home? Or that she was going home?
I'm just asking because I got Liyan less than 20 mins ago, and she still was at hospital. But I guess the hospital is not far away from Kiki's home, maybe...
now, I can not call Liyan, or in fact, I tried but no reply....
if she is really out of the hospital, then she must have the checks with her.
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yes she was going home but i guess maybe kikis home
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i guess too because gz is 2 hours from the hospital, and as her parents live in Gz...
i tried to call back Liyan, no news. I will try later, maybe (and surely) is she too much tired.. I just hope she got her checks results and that there is nothing that could "frighten" Liyan inside :s
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she needs to see Sisi brother for a good check up
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ok, i've called her again and finally got her.
Another doctor is waiting Liyan because she is still at hospital and she is getting another check.
Next, she promised me to call me and to call Sisi's brother (she said at night?)
I also think that yes, she really needs to see Sisi's brother for a good check up, so that man can better "understand" what's wrong.
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i agree tell her to call him in the morning and set up a time to
have her go to his hospital so he can check her good
enough of these games with the other doctors
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I will tell Liyan again about him, so that she maybe could be able to go there. but I don't know if Kiki and her boyfriend could take her to Foshan tomorrow. I'll talk about it with Liyan anyway ;)
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Little update :
It is now 10:30 pm in China and Liyan called Sisi's brother. he told her that if the checkup was good, then it should be "rust"? Or something related to that ?
Well.
Liyan told me that she begins to feel better but stays anyway at the hospital tonight with Kiki.
Tomorrow, Liyan's sister will come, and I am trying to see if I can be there in 4 days...
I just need to ask an express visa (48h), then, if giving the paper for tomorrow at morning, it should be ok for wednesday... but will i be able to have the visa and the flight on the same day??? maybe the best would be to catch the flight the next day... because if i can't have my visa for wednesday, that will not be good :s
and no way to call the office now because it's closed.
anyway...
Liyan told me that as I'll go there, she'd be happy to "introduce" me to Kiki, to her sister, and maybe to her parents.
I don't know if Liyan's mama will be happy that I'm going to see Liyan, but well... i hope she'll be able to see it and then, to notice it.
As I said before, Liyan told her parents I was coming to see her again, so... maybe that could be a good thing, and maybe could her mama be "soften"? with me?
I don't know...
So I'm still looking for flights and in a few minutes, that should be ok for it. I also need to book a hotel in zhongshan, even for one night, because to get my visa, I need a paper whichs says where I can sleep/be, even one night.
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I don't know where the hospital is, but I stayed at the Fuhua hotel and it was nice. They had people that spoke English and it was affordable. I don't have the number, but I'm sure they've got a website. http://www.fuhuahotel.com.cn/web/en/
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I'll check for it, thx, Neil ;)
btw, I must check again and again the flights because most of them are > 900 € and it's a little bit "too expensive"...
May I find one good flight asap
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Outch...
the flights were just excessive, that time, and I will learn, what is flying about 17 hours to go and come back..
But.. the flight is ok.
Now I just have to book a hotel, even one night, then, having all the papers to do the visa tomorrow if possible in express mode... and...
If all would be very good, on Wednesday, I should be in the flight for Gz :)
(but I told Liyan I would be there only on Friday... oh, maybe can I arrive and make her a "surprise", who knows? :) )
So.. just have to wait 3 days, crossing all my fingers and hoping that she can recover quick..
She told me that if all would be good, tomorrow she'll go to Kiki's home...
let's "wait" and see, so.
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Sly,
so she is feeling better? they did give here something in the hospital?
i dont understand Sisi's brother told her it was 'rust' ?? is she going to
get this checked at fushun?? well if you 2 get a chance come to GZ
for the day. well i hope it works ok with mom
Ted
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Ted,
I can't either guess what would have said Liyan, but Sisi's brother asked her about the checkups, and said that if it was good, so, maybe there was (I guess?) her body who could be as "rust". I know in France we have a saying that is like that "eh man, are you rusted? I can't see you running faster than before..."
well, that's just a guessing, but I'll try anyway to have more news about it.
She also told me that Sisi's brother said that if checkups were good, there was no need to do some others in Fushun. (I think that's really what she said to me quick via QQ)
By the way, Liyan sent me a sms this morning, she's feeling better, and her sister will come to see her for a few days.
I must call the agency for my visa, if everything is good, I should be in Gz for thursday afternoon ;)
And anyway, I would really like to see you in Gz ;) so, I'll let you know about it.
I must prepare, working in one hour..
any more news to come later ;)
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bad news.
I can't get my visa asap just because too few employees working at the ambassy in Paris... So, even if I wanted, I couldn't get one before friday/saturday...
And on next saturday (not this one), there is a carnival with my daughter... So I can not really miss that. I must see how to proceed to go there... and if I can anyway go to the ambassy tomorrow, early in the morning. And see if anyone can help me to get my visa very quick.
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strange, no 24 hour service? I got express for document legalization (48hrs)
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Because they're not so many to work actually, they can't do express ones :((
I looked on many visa agencies, same thing for them... I should wait until thursday to get one visa....
but i found that one :
http://www.visachrono.fr/visa/passeport/Chine/Touristique/45/6
They may can help me..
I will also contact the woman I met in Gz, who said she might could help, too...
Because I need my visa to be ok for wednesday... even for lunch time....
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*** in need of best advice ***
The woman I called in the agency for applying visas said I could give it to her before tomorrow morning but could only get it then, on wednesday, maybe for 01:00 pm or 02:00 pm. My flight is at 06:55 pm, so i would just have enough time to go up to the airport...
The other solution would be to go directly to the ambassy at morning, and waiting. Then, should I mention for very quick visa and mentionning that my girlfriend is at hospital? (Liyan sent me a sms, she's still there, but her sister is with her. Even if her pain is less hurting, there is still something)
but if so.. then I should mention on the papers "visiting a friend or family".. because up to now, i didn't say it...
but things have changed more than a little since my last trips... ^^
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Hmmm souds tight to me. If you go directly to the consulate, they will surely refuse. They don't strike me as felxible. With the agency, if they can do it for 2pm that's fine, you don't have to be in CDG before 17:00, just bring your bag with you. You can still make the flight if you check in just before 6pm. Take RER to gare du Nord and then to CDG, 45 minutes tops, faster than taxi if there is traffic.
For the Visa: Always friends ... at least until you are married. Or even tourism ... no address of friend needed, just the hotel address.
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Sly, you could just fly to HK and get the visa in the airport there. You don't need a visa to enter HK. GZ is only 45 mins from Shenzen (border with HK) by train.
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Frank, thx for your advice ;)
The woman from the agency said that she could not be "100% sure" about getting the visa very quickly, but most of the time, she got visas 24 hours later. So... I must try...
If that all sounds good, then, I will leave my car near Gare de Lyon, because I got an access to a private parking (related to my ex job over there^^), and so, getting up to Chatelet les halles, then Roissy via RER B. that would be also good.
and any letter to say I have my "friend" who is at hospital? Would it help to "accelerate" the process for the quick delivery or not at all? (in fact, I don't know if anyone would really worry about all problems, when someones is applying for a visa in express mode)...
should i also mention her name and the name of hospital?
Well.
anyway I'm doing the papers for the visa, and will give it to the agency tonight. So tomorrow at morning, it should be sent and may be done "quick"...
If not, then... that would also be very bad, all the flights are getting very expensive...
I prefer not thinking about it... :icon_confused:
Irishman, I don't really understand?? no need at all any visa ? :huh:
hmm, ok, i didn't see that. but how to get one visa in HK so?? should I believe i would have to stay one or two days, there? and getting out the airport to do it?
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Hemmm...
I called the company about my flight on Wednesday... i asked, if I had to cancel before boarding, could I get money back ? They just told me they would check for it, but I might had to wait a few days, and to contact the insurance for the big part of the flight's cost... So, that's not very good.... :s
because I can't afford myself to buy another tickets 2 or 3 days later to go and see Liyan.
Even if she says she feels better, knowing she's still at hospital is not a good thing...
I am looking for a one way flight to go to Hongkong, so that I could do the visa there... but the problem is still the same... money...
Maybe am i crazy enough in fact.. I just have 300 € that I could use for one week with Liyan in Gz/Zhongshan, but I can not pay myself the flight to go to Hongkong...
and I don't either know how much I should pay the visa in Hongkong, to have it quickly, nor the cost to go from hongkong to Gz, by boat or any other way.
But I am thinking slowly about HK and cancelling the flight, from Paris to Gz... so then maybe when I will be in Zhongshan, I could have money back from the insurance and the company... who knows... anyway, if i cancel before boarding, I could have 100% refund... but not so quick...
the only problem now then would be money... for HK's flight.
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Sly - if it help:-
1) You don't need a visa to enter HK, but you will need one to cross the border into China.
2) To get to GZ from HK just take the subway to the border with Shenzwen and walk across. Then take the train there, the station is literally on the other side of passport control and get the bullet train to GZ. I don't remember the cost but its wasn't more than 10 or 20 Euro (closer to 10 I think, maybe Willy or Ted can confirm the price)
3) The visa can be done in the airport, I believe there is a place in the airport you can get it done in under a day. The travel agencies in HK can all do it too for you at a price thats only a little more than official but may be quicker. You would probably need a native speaker to help you there though (i'd suggest buying a Chinese sim card so you can ask Liyan or her friend to speak for you if you need help there) .
if you dont have the money, then all the above might be moot.
I am sure Liyan will appreciate you coming whenever you can, maybe waiting for the visa at home is a better idea , especially if your flight is non refundable.
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Thx for help, Irishman ;)
I am looking for flights for HK, one way is about 450 €, so... I am checking again and again how to proceed. anyway I will do the papers tonight for the visa, then I will see on wednesday if all's ok or no... then I will not really have many choices...
about waiting for the visa... I'd say it's all or nothing.. That's not good at all, because flights costs are becoming very expensive (more than 1100 € as I saw today at work, instead 855 € I ordered 2 days ago..... :s) maybe can you better imagine :s
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Sylvain, it costs about 200 RMB to go to GZ from Hong Kong airport by bus/shuttle. There is a train too, a bit more expensive I think. For the bus, when you exit HK arrival door in the main hall, follow the signs for mainland transefer which lead you to the left, then towards the MTR (express train), then left again, there are plenty of signs, then another right. There is a counter for shuttle service there. You will take a Minibus to Shenzhen Luohu, then they will transfer you to a big bus there. The whole treck takes about 4 hours.
Otherwise take the train to the border (directly at the airport, ask they speak ENglish), and then the fast train to GZ, should be a lot quicker but more expensive too.
BTW, the insurance will not cover your ticket if you use the no Visa excuse. And the Chinese consulate, avoid complicating things, make it as simple as possible.
Maybe someone could shed a light on Visa procedure in HK ... that could be an option.
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Well.
I keep up on doing the papers for the visa. Tonight I will go to the agency, in their letterbox.. and hopin' that i can get my visa quick.. Otherwise, I'll have to go to plan B ... ^^'
let's keep some hope.
Frank, thx for your help too. If I have to go to HK, that will be helpful :) I am just saying myself I'll spend more than 1 day on flights and train/boats/taxi... to go and see my love.... ah... crazy love... really? or not ... :fi_lone_ranger:
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Yes crazy ...
Watch that the agency does not submit your passport at the consulate if they don't want to deliver a 24h Visa ... otherwise you could be stuck without passport for a week too!!!
We could have almost met at the consulate, I am going tomorrow for my legalized documents ... :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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I'll call the woman tomorrow at morning when the agency will open, so that I'll tell her I need to be confirmed I can get my visa in the 24h. And if not possible, then I have to think about going to HK on Wednesday at night...
BTW, if man doesn't need a visa to go to HK... but if the flight must stop one time in Beijing, then we need to change for another flight to go to HK...
would man then need a visa or not?
because I see some one way for HKG, but with one stop in Beijing... so that my question.
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Sylvain D,
No Sly, you only need a visa if you go through immigration in Beijing, you won't be, ..... you'll be staying within the transit areas of the airport.
Gotta say though, that's a hell of a way to go to get to Hong Kong. You'll almost be flying over HK to get to Beijing...lol!!
David....
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David, I know, but when seeing the flights direct for HKG and the cost, I prefer one way halt, wherever it is in Beijig or anywhere else... so stupid they didn't think about a one way halt in gz.... that would had then helped me more ^^
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Sylvain D,
What sort of money are they asking for your flight from Paris to Hong Kong??
David....
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Back from Paris for my visa to be sent to the agency's mailbox.
David, hmmm? Maybe I don't really understand your question, but well.
Today, I can see : Paris-HongKong : 415 € with one halt in Shanghai.
Tomorrow : Paris-HongKong : 462 € with one way halt in Beijing (3 hours easily)
and Friday : Paris-HongKong : 415 € with one way halt in Beijing again.
I notice that for 100 € more, I could fly inside the A380... but eh... no need to be in a so big plane, I just want to go beside Liyan ASAP.
Updates about Liyan :
she's still at hospital. The doctor doesn't want to tell her what's happening, and so, she can't go out... she says me that she feels better but I really can't understand what's so wrong... :@
I've told her to call Sisi's brother (who is doctor, too), and so that, maybe he could see with Liyan's doctor, what's wrong and WHY they don't want to say anything...
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[align=center]---- Nice update -----[/align][/color]
Liyan just sent me an email, she's back to Kiki's home, with Kiki, Kiki's boyfriend, and Liyan's sister, who are taking care about her.
She is very happy that I come.
And....
i have a good news for you my tarents agree that we are together they're glad that you are concerned about me when I'm sick. and come to See me again
:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Love is powerful :)
(I'm looking again the translation in chinese)
what else to say?
I am very glad, very happy to read it, and for sure, I just want to be there right now, and I should meet her parents soon :)
(maybe the same day I will arrive in Gz?)
Even if I have to wait for my visa, I know I did here the most difficult thing : to show her parents how much I really love and care for their daughter.
I wish to buy some Champagne to celebrate that, of course, and I have to look many things to do :)
I would jump anywhere, as I am more than happy, but as I'm at work... all my colleagues could only see a BIG SMILE on my face and shining eyes... ^^'
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alors ça passe?
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ça passe, oui ^^'
j'attends maintenant le visa pour que ça soit tout bon :)
(now waiting for my visa.. and then all will be OK ^^)
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That is indeed good news Sly . It's also a worry of my Back .:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
Hope the Visa will come tomorrow and you'll be on your way .. to finally and hpefully be excepted by her Family . Good Luck and have a good flight .
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Arnold, I guess your happyness related to my thread :)
I hope too, for the visa, that then would be VERY VERY GOOD ^^'
and if not....
I'll have to check how to proceed very quick ^^
Many thanks again, Arnod, for all your support, help and everything :)
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:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin: I see Luck is on your side already !! Three
" SEVEN's " .. I see . That is also good luck , not just in Las Vegas !:icon_cheesygrin:
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Ahah.. ^^
we both said "yes" on the 27th, February
On the 17th, I'll go there again :)
Where's the 3rd 7? $$
Maybe the first time I went to Gz to see Liyan ^^'
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I figured and hoped that her parents would witness your concern and care and give you their blessings. That is indeed great news. Congratulations Sly.
But more importantly, how is she feeling? Any news from the doctors? I hope she gets better quickly.
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Thank you, Neil :) I am really happy too and maybe don't I really realize what love can do, sometimes. But eh... Her parents "offer" me a very beautiful thing, or better should I say, they agree our love, and that's very nice :)
So.
About Liyan, well, she knows she must not eat apples, bananas, and many other things. She is waiting for the results (papers) that the hospital said, will be sent to her. The pain is still active, but not not hurting her much as it did those last days. And she said that she's fine. But I prefer confirm about it when I'll be there.
I know too, that she told me about her parents, they really care for her and if something had to be wrong about her health, she'd probably go to Gz, because it would be more easy for her parents, to go and see her asap. I don't know when she will go working again, but I guess that she may need some rest for a while.
She told me those last days, the pain is like when man is running fast, then if he didn't run for a while before, he can feel pain. And she told me it was like that one...
Small update to come soon, before I leave Paris for a short period, just because I need to be beside Liyan.
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so what is the time frame to get your visa Sly?
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Ted, I've just called the agency, the woman I called last time told me she was doing her best to help me. So, if everything is ok, I should get my visa at 22:00, chinese hour, today.
Then, I just will have to go and get it, then going to Roissy.
Btw, I called Liyan this morning, she's fine, still the pain, but is at work. She told that her colleagues are beside her and take care of her...
If... if all is really ok for my visa today, I will be in Gz tomorrow afternoon, 18:00.
I'm just crossing all my fingers (included my feets's ones ^^) for my visa to be ready today.
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Ok.
I am now at the airport, waitin' for my flight :)
The lady from the visa agency' called me, she said that it was good, before 02:00 pm, as she told me first.
When I went to the agency, a man who worked there told me that it was ok. I thanked him twice because of the quality.
He told me something like that "when man knows he can't have his visa quick, man must go through "barriers" " :D
I understood and we both smiled because of that. On my request, I also have written a letter about Liyan at hospital... Maybe did it help too?
Well.
Just before going to the agency, Liyan was on QQ. She was back from work, very very very happy. She was smiling and so on, we talked a bit because I was packaging ... and her phone rang, her dad's calling her.
A few mins next, she told me that she had another good news : her dad agrees me to meet the family and that I may could stay with them one or two nights !!!!
Wow...
Liyan was more and more happy, I told her that I did my best to come asap.
Now, she knows I'll be in Gz tomorrow at 06:20 pm, and she will surely wait for me there. She told me first that I should take a bus for zhongshan, but it seems she prefers to come to the airport, then going to zhongshan with me.. Maybe does she want to be my private guide in the bus? :D
By the way, I asked her about her pain, she replied that she's feeling better. but I remember she told me about her arms who were so bad because of the injections she got, and that the "nurses?" couldn't find easily her veins after many injections she got...
Well...
Now I'm waiting for my flight to go to Beijing first... with Eastern China (& Air France), then, waiting a few hours before going to Gz. No way to do it better, men... Because of low cost I suppose.
Well.
Nothing more to say for now, except lot of happyness and I'd like to hurry up the flight to be now in Gz. If only I could do it... ^^
N.B : I just add the weblink for the visa's agency, located in Paris :
http://www.visachrono.fr/
Very useful, very good. Nothing to say, because it's the first time I am using their services, and I am very satisfied.
24h to get my visa... many thanks to that agency, once again :)
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There is nothing more to say but ... :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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Great news all round Sly, have a fantastic trip, wish I was going there with you!
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Have a fantastic trip!
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I'm glad the Visa turned up. Have a safe trip!
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Sly
I know that as soon as she sees you...she will feel much better..have a great trip !!
David
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have a good trip and if you 2 can get to GZ give me a call
and we could all meet up
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Many thanks to all of you for your messages :)
So, I'm in Beijing, waiting for my next flight for Gz. The flight was with Air France's company, and it was better than last time I used their company to go back home. Good movies (K1, a robot which is cop, and two other movies, included the last Disney's animation (The frog and the Princess)
I do shortly, in 2 hours I'll be boarding again...
Ted, for sure, we'll call you ;)
For sure, this trip gonna be very different, and I'm just asking myself when will I meet Liyan's parents :) I hope not tonight, because I need a very good shower before.. ^^'
any more updates to come later, and i should be able to tell about Liyan's health.
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Good news, Sly. I am glad to hear it. I hope Liyan's health continues to improve.
Don
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Hi there, Don ;)
Well.
Some news so, from Zs.
I finally arrived yesterday night at Zs, and Liyan came to pick me up :) she was very very happy, she didn't want to leave my hand "away" from hers ^^
I first asked her if she was fine, she really felt fine, and she told me "yes, because you're here".
So I was happy ^^
One of her other sentences were "oh dear, you need a shower" ^^
One day without shower, for sure, it was not very good but well, cold weather, and middle one in Bj, then hot in Gz... finally, I was glad to have shower when I was in the hotel.
I could see her hands, for sure, she got many injections on it, and she told me that she cried and was angry at the hospital because the nurses could not really give her injections, because of "veins" which were not "visible".
About her "illness", it seems it is more stomach than anything else. Her doctor told her to not eat bananas, no apples, no milk...
Yesterday night, we quickly ate a sandwich at the Mc'Do, just beside the hotel. Liyan told me this morning that the pain came back a little, maybe because of the sandwich yesterday night. Maybe is she right, so we will eat "carefully" and no spicy food for her.
Oh, Ted.
Liyan told me this morning we will be in Gz on Monday. So, maybe on Tuesday, we can eat together anywhere in Gz if you are ok.
Just let me know about it.
Tonight, I will be introduced to Liyan's best friends and colleagues, so... we'll see what will happen ^^ it seems anyway they REALLY want to meet me and to talk with me, whatever they can just a little bit english or I can a little in chinese, well... it's not a problem but it should be a very good meeting :)
Kiki's father also wants to meet me, because he knows I came again for Liyan because I cared about her and worried about her health. Liyan told me that he was waiting for me to be here, to cook FOR me ^^
About Liyan's parents, it seems they are VERY HAPPY for Liyan to have found someone very nice with her. But as I think that my chinese is just so "restricted", i have bought a little book where man can say many sentences in chinese and there are many words to use, from A to Z, with many sentences used will those words. So it'll be useful.
I also bought some chocolate for her parents, and for Liyan's friends. I wanted to buy some Champagne but well, i could not carry everything, so.... I'll think about it next time :)
Now, Liyan is working half day, I'm back to the hotel for a while, then I will go and visit a park which is just near. I began a short visit in the center of Zs this morning, it is a bit Like Gz, but... the building seem to be like "italian" design for most of them.
I'm very happy to be here anyway. I will probably see if I can go home on Friday morning instead wednesday, so that maybe Liyan and me could spare some more time in Gz and be able to do many things.
I told her again yesterday about the brotherhood. She is very happy to know you care for her, and she said me that I have nice friends :blush:
So, I hope we will be able to meet most of you with Ted, whenever possible in Gz ;)
Any more news to come soon.
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Welcome back Home to China Sly. I wish you the best of times. Soon I will be joining you as I March down on the 30th back to see my wife.
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Welcome back Home to China Sly. I wish you the best of times. Soon I will be joining you as I March down on the 30th back to see my wife.
oh!
Maybe one day, we'll be able to meet somewhere in china, who knows :)
Thanks about your message, for sure, this trip will should be very nice. As I will be able to know more about Liyan and her friends, family :)
Maybe some photos to come later. Just wait :)
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Hey Sylvain,
Really happy that she's feeling much better. If possible, I would have her checked out with a doctor you can trust just in case. The list of foods you have mentioned is a pretty strange combination.
There are some chinese herbs that she could incorporate into her everyday cooking to help her depending on what the problem is.
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mustfocus, thx for advices;)
I think that, if possible, when meeting Ted, if Sisi is with him, then, Sisi may be able to talk to Liyan to see her brother who is a good doctor, so that it may could be better for her.
About bananas, milk and apples, in fact, i don't really know too why she can't it that.
hmm...maybe does she have to not eat everything that can be like "acid"? for her stomach.
I know yesterday she drank some Coke, maybe is it why she didn't feel very fine. I don't know.
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Sly ole Buddy , it is really great to see you two so happy together and let hope the Parent's is a down hill ..not an up hill anymore . I see your staying more than one or two day's .. that's much better . Hope it will not be a problem back home with your Job / Boss .
Anyway , hope you get together with our newest Mod and make sure he is wearing a Tie when meeting one of the Member's from here , that's a must .
Are you listening TED ???
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Haha, if Ted doesn't want to wear a tie when meeting, then, I'll have to wear one Dragoon with me :D
btw, yes, I'm here for more than 2 or 3 days, and for sure, even a week is too short, but well, why Earth is so big, please tell me :p
i don't really care about my job/boss, because most of us want to leave, at work. Even if there is a good "friendship" between colleagues, it's not the same, if including the boss. So I know that soon, I'll stop that job to find another one.
Actually, we're staying at "William Hotel" up to tomorrow, because the room is very little...
oh, in fact, it reminds me about my studio. It is approximatively same space, about 24m² I guess. but my bathroom is a little bit bigger. Well, Anyway, Liyan told me that we will check out tonight, because she doesn't like the room, plus there is a smell outside not very good.
Back to the hotel after a short visit outside again. I visited the park beside the hotel, it was nice, but too bad the sun is not so active, because I would have laid down on the grass, just to sleep.. for a while ^^'
Liyan will be back at 06:10 pm, so, in 4 hours. Then, I'll meet her friends ^^'
btw, as I'm back to the hotel, I had to install again Windows7 & Ubuntu, because the activation for Windows7 didn't work (crazy crack not ok), and so, my computer booted itself every 30 mins since a few weeks. Now, everything is ok :)
Oh, just to say. The breakfast at the hotel is good (western & chinese style)
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sorry guys dont wear a tie anymore had to wear
ties and suits for 30 years at work lol
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Alright Ted , we let this go then . But please be clean shaven .:-/:icon_cheesygrin:
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A few good ... and also... a few bad ones, too.
Yesterday night, as Liyan told me, we met her friends, some from her company, and Kiki and Kiki's boyfriend, too. They were very happy to meet me, and to talk with me, even if their english was as good as my chinese can be. Well, no... maybe my chinese is a little bit better, I don't know but I could say a few sentences easily.
They really liked me and saw I was a very nice guy with Liyan, caring for her, for her health too. And that it should be ok with her parents, soon...
Soon...
As we were with Liyan's friends, I felt something maybe not "good" about Liyan's parents, so I asked her to confirm if they were very happy and so on.
It seems in fact that yes, her papa is happy, but Liyan told me that her mama is still the same, related to me. Wo shi lo wei...
Liyan told me too, that her papa "agreed" to accept me in their home, because she asked him when she was at hospital. She told him that it was the 3rd time I was coming for her, and that I was very serious, so, she hoped I could be introduced to her parents. So, her papa agreed.
After tomorrow, so, we should see them.
I know I will have to be careful, because I don't want to do something wrong when meeting them.
Her papa told that he was worrying about it, and that he didn't want to see Liyan coming home with "many" boyfriends. Because related to the last one, the love went away... so, her papa says that their home is not a hotel. I can clearly understand that, because of my parents before.... ^ ^'
I know I'd give everything to make her papa sure I want to take care about Liyan, but as says Liyan, maybe the most difficult thing is to win her mama's agreement related to our love.
I must be prepared to have a lot of questions from them, I suppose it will be like "do you wish to buy a house? how big is your home? when will you come living in china? when will you give a baby to our daughter".... and so on.
I know I would feet a little bit shy at first, and that I should ask her parent's Liyan's hand, asking that in chinese, of course, but I'm scared quite a bit, if they would say no... because I think I'd then lose my face.
I talked about it to Liyan because I know anyway it is not really something easy. Maybe her parents can "accept" even a bit our love, but about wedding, it is something different. and I think that her parents would like to "test" me, to see next if I'm really a serious guy or not.
I also know that Liyan's brother talks to their mama often about us, but I don't know what can happen when I'll meet them... I only know that Liyan's papa is ok to see me and agrees about our love, now he just wants (I guess) to see if it is for real, and not any joke.
I also know that their neighbours have never seen foreigners before close to their home, so, as I should be the first one, maybe would they say many things about me and Liyan. And because of traditional parents, they would be very "confused".
That reminds me about yesterday night, when walking in the streets. We bought some "kayochoua" with Liyan and her friends, and I saw them talking to a woman, a little bit fat, and maybe about 40 years old. Then, the woman looked at me, and asked me : "hello, please, can I ask you a question : who is your girlfriend?"
I then said her it was Liyan... who became a little bit "upset".
The woman smiled, then went to talking to Liyan and her friends, then left.
A few minutes later, Liyan told me she was her boss, not her office's one, but the boss just above that one... and that, as she knew Liyan had a chinese boyfriend before, but that now, Liyan was with me, maybe her boss would like to see her today and ask how, why and many other things like that....
Liyan worried about that for 2 hours, up to we went back to hotel. I told her I was sorry but I didn't know the woman was her boss, nor that nobody told me nothing about her. Liyan then replied it wasn't my fault, but that she cared for today, to have to say why and how she was with me, and many other things...
We then talked about other things, and as we said before, we decided to check out this morning for another hotel. (RIVER SIDE HOTEL)
Today, a bit some news :
So, after the breakfast, we check out and went to another hotel, but Liyan was thinking in fact at another one, and not the RIVER SIDE HOTEL;
Well, as I told her, no matter which hotel we can be in, most important is to be together :) she smiled and finally, that hotel is quite nice. We have a very nice room, and we can see the river when opening the window :)
We talked a bit about yesterday and about Liyan's parents, and that tomorrow, we would go and see Kiki's papa, who is waiting to see me.
I told Liyan that her friends were very nice with me, even one of them told me I was handsome (even if she's marrried.... :p)
Actually, I am reading some sentences in chinese, to improve my chinese language, so. Liyan helps me if I spell badly, but she can see I want to speak chinese with her and her friends.
I wish to be able to talk with her parents.
any more news to come later.
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Small update.
the final meeting is for tonight. I will meet Liyan's parents, and probably too, her sister and her father.
Liyan told me that it should be ok. Maybe we will arrive in Gz after dinner, I don't know, but well.. we'll see how it'll be.
I can not change my flight back for Paris, because too many expensive. And, if EVERYTHING would be good with Liyan's parents, related to Liyan and me, we should begin to save money for later.
Ted, I told Liyan we could see you in Gz, and tomorrow is the only day we can have to see you in Gz. Because I'm leaving after tomorrow early in the morning.
Nothing else to say.
Oh, of course. Yesterday, I met Kiki's father, who was really happy to meet me. He talked to me many times, saying he was very happy for Liyan to be with me, and that he wanted to know when I will come back in China, so that I should tell him, because he'd then cook again for me :D (btw, I also met Kiki's grandpa and grandma, plus her sister), so, it was a nice dinner :) there were some colleagues too and I know now that Kiki and Liyan work in the same company :)
About tonight, I've some chocolates for Liyan's parents, I hope it will still be good when I will offer them...
Maybe some other news when I will be back in France...
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well Sly give me a call when you arrive or can meet
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Ones again Sly , best of Luck with the Parents ( especially the Mom ) . This Woman seems will need all your French charm to get through to her cultural Heart .
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Ok :)
we are not at her parent's home, near a small river, I guess, because of frog's noise (eh... it may could be a joke, as I'm a frenchy froggy, right? :D) but well... it's not any joke :)
Her parents live in a "small" house, man could describe it quickly, no painting on the walls, no many things, it just seems to be like a small home with quite a few things inside. and her parents seem to like that life, so, ok for me, I don't mind :)
It seems that her parents like me, I could not really explain why, but her mama asked some questions, so did her papa. I gave my point of view on the questions they asked me, and how to "deal" about the french id card for later.
I can not stay long because it is also midnight here, and we need sleeping (wo lei le)
Ted, we will call you tomorrow ;)
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Buzzzzzz Buzzzzzz ... hey wake up . How can you sleep at a nervous time like this ?
Being invited into the Parent's home , hopefully got you over that last Hurdle and you should be able to leave for back home at least with an understanding where you and Liyan stand in the Future .
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Back quickly for a very short time.
In fact we arrived at Liyan's Home after 10:20 pm, so it was anyway a bit late for her parents.
However, they were waiting for me, and offered me some drink to refresh and then we began to talk a bit.
As her mama told that we will need to save some money, I could think that it is on the good way, but we'll need to see how it will be tomorrow. Her mother and her father worry a bit about language barrier / money and so on, but we argue about that, saying that we can go against that :)
Liyan is also very happy, her brother and her brother welcomed me too, and they are nice with me.
Now, everybody is sleeping, and, when I say that I'll go sleeping, it is because I just need to sleep some hours. Because those last 2 days were a bit so short in the nights ^^'
I am also thinking about many other things related to Liyan's parents but it should be ok.
Maybe any more news tomorrow, or when I'll be back home, wednesday at night....
and anyway, I'll go back home with a real reply from Liyan's Parents about our common future :)
(seems like anyway Liyan is for the "yes" from her parents, as she bought something to protect against "mosquitos" for each of us ^^ (just put it all around the bed, it's very nice ^^)
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I'm glad everything worked out Sylvain! C'est d'une moustiquaire que tu parles?
Enjoy the time you have left and have a safe trip back!
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recieved your message and i understad why you couldnt make it.
what did you think of Huadhu ??? nice city on the outskirts of GZ.
did you get a chance to go downtown when your were there?
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i m in the flight for Paris.
CHAMPAGNE !!! her parents agree :)
now we have to do papers, Liyan will have to go to Gz for it. Huandu is where live her parents. more news tonight. :)
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Champagne ... you bet . That is great news Sly . Bet .. the next three day's or so , you will not be able to sleep . haha
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good news Sly, haudhu is not far only outside of GZ
if she took a city bus 2 hours regular bus 45 minutes
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Back home.
Wo lei le...
So, just to tell you about my meeting with Liyan's parents :)
Her parents seem to be poor, I believe, because they have a "small" house, in fact on 3 floors, it is quite big in it, but as I said earlier, quite nothing on the walls, no paintings, just a few posters and a few cards (those that man can stick on his door when celebrating chinese new year)
In fact, the area where they live lets man guessing it is very poor but I didn't mind about it. Because I am not looking for rich or poors parents, just nice ones.
Liyan's papa asked me a few questions about life in france, why I got a daughter without being married, and some other ones.
Her mama wanted to know some things about me, too, and said "you need save money", which means what that means :)
by the way, her mama gave me a red card.
I was very shy because I didn't think she would give me one, and I didn't think about that, too.
So, I thanked her in chinese and she said "it is the first time you are coming here, sooo...", letting me guessing (I think I'm right) that she agreed with my marriage with Liyan.
Liyan also told me that yes, her parents will give her the famous paper she needs to get all the other papers in Gz.
Liyan asked too to her parents to do some photos with me, and they did, so I was very very happy :)
Today at morning, I had to go, so I thankfulled a lot Liyan's mama but I only said "bybye" to her papa. He doesn't speak english, so, most of the times it was very difficult to talk with him. :s
but I hope one night we can talk in chinese :)
Sorry dudes because I'm very tired, so I will sleep :)
See you later, maybe with some other news.
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Sly,
Your story just re-enforces what I think..... You, me and all the successfully ones on this adventure are one thing above all else...VERY LUCKY,!
I read this with great interest.... you will recall your initial set of ladies you chose?? haha, one of them is a beautiful tall model, taller than you, in fact. But somehow she dropped out of the picture.
Well, she is indeed one of the most beautiful people you could ever imagine, haha, I have seen a mountain of her magazines, and she has been on the front cover of many major magazines countless times. How do I know this,.?. well, she dated my friend Nick for a year, and she is a complete scammer!! Only in it for the money, and sucked plenty out of him! ( fortunately that is all she managed to suck out of him, she has been a hooker as a young lady). Does it not make you think that it could have been you if you dose to visit her? It certainly made me think how lucky I am that my lady turned out to be the real deal.... how do we know?
Haha, breathe a deep sigh of relief, I can assure you I did!!!
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Hi there, Nigel.
Hmm, I don't know in fact about which lady you can talk, because when you say "taller", to me, none of the ladies I had met are taller than me.
Even my wife.
There is one lady who was tall, and living in Beijing, and who often goes to some shows as model posing close to new cars and so on...
but I never met her...
So, if you remember her name, maybe that'd help :)
B.R
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Yes, her name is Wang Song, although she goes by the name of Seven Wang.
Very successfull model, drop dead gorgeous, my friend dated her ( well, not in the way you or I would call dating ;) ) for a period of almost a year.
She was on your list.... Number four of the original list,.turns out she is a total scammer, took him for a ride and has done it before to some Canadian guy.
Poor guy spent a small fortune on her, my GF is from same city, Qingdao ( she will tell you she is from whatever city you want her to be from), and found out quite a bit about this nasty piece of work..... it seems you were a lucky man to avoid her!! Actually was a hooker for some time in her younger days.
I think you had some "Bon chance"
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Oh, I can easily remember about her :)
working as a "model" in fact. But well, the only news I got were from emf's and maybe was it directly from her agency.
Anyway, the "feeling" was good, but I could not imagine myself with such a lady/woman like her, because that job may would scare me :)
But through the emf's letters, it seemed to be a good woman :) if I could had some time before to go there (I don't remember if she exactly told me if she was in BJ or Qingdao, but well, maybe then I might could meet her, I don't know.
but the story showed me some better way to go :)
Remembering about my stories in China, I still remember about 2 ladies who were quite nice with me and beautiful, too.
Now, I'm still thinking about how lucky I am and how life can be much appreciated with such love found oversea.
Wondering if I could had found that lovestory, 30 years ago, when Internet was not so much known and used as today ^^'
Maybe as some other guys, I just had a lucky star looking at me :) (or looking for me? :) )
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Just an update Sly.
This Wang Song was reported to ChnLove admin by another guy with same experience, and was thrown off the site. Good on them.
But she still apparently is lurking on many other sites!!
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Something I don't understand, Nigel.
That woman is as a model, or is a model...
anyway, I don't know anyone who can be a model's boyfriend, and who has no money to make her happy.
Maybe is it why I could not / did not want / to see her... anyway.. .
The photos she sent me showed her close to shows with cars , as for Expos.
And for sure, she looked quite beautiful on each of them.
that's my point of view.
I don't know what else to say, I don't remember about her profile but I just remember about a few emf's between her and me.
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:) Qing was a Model in her twenties for Clothes.. now she only Models for me! :P