China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Newbies Corner => Topic started by: odysseus007 on February 08, 2010, 12:42:02 pm
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This is an ongoing experiment, if you like
Yesterday I started to cull my EMF list. Sent "the ultimatum" to most of the ladies I have been corresponding with, requesting direct contact and then blocking access. What I found interesting, and may give clues as to an agency's honesty & professionalism (or otherwise) is the following notes from the agencies of the ladies concerned :
1) Thanks for your sincere letter. The lady told us that she truly appreciate your interest in her, but still she hoped to be honest with you that she found you are not the compatible match for her after carefully reading your profile and your letter. You are a very nice man and she believed you will find a better half soon. Good luck.
Guangzhou Xinxin Marriage Introduction Agency
Agency ID: GZB
Yeah, right. I know GZB has many strikes for scamming, and one good feedback from a brother here. Lucky I only exchanged a few EMFs. She was lovey dovey all along, BUT said she unfortunately didn't have internet access (AND she works for a telecoms company!!!) plus she is traditional, how can she give me her phone number so soon? Cut & run as soon as push comes to shove, eh? Like she only now read my profile? I would say GZB is a scam agency. Furthermore photos she sent sometimes looked rather different from profile photos. Many red flags.
2) Thanks for your letter. The lady told us that she would try to contact you directly via personal email.
Shenzhen Oriental Love Consulting Co. Ltd.
Agency ID: P508
Now that's more like it ! This lady has her own mind, and can really put her foot down. Always insisted that I use EMFs. But without a doubt it was her writing me, not her translator. Answered most of my tough questions too, and asked tougher ones, lol. P508 seems to have a hands off policy when it comes down to the line, I do say.
3) Thanks for your sincere letter. The lady told us that she truly appreciate your interest in her, but still she hoped to be honest with you that she found you are not the compatible match for her after carefully reading your profile and your letter. You are a very nice man and she believed you will find a better half soon. Good luck.
Beijing Shuxin Marriage Service Center
Agency ID: P204
Lady's profile has been there for ages, but recently refreshed. Highly suspicious, I thought. Sent a Cupid, got a rejection. Wrote an EMF, a very intelligent, persuasive, entertaining one. Same old. Now any scammy agency would have jumped at the chance to fleece me. But not this one, P204. Kudos, earned my respect, but damn! The one that got away.
Brothers, feel free to add your experiences here, if you have also given "the ultimatum" to your ladies. Together we will sort out the agencies, wheat from chaff. I will be updating as I go.
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same letter from 2?
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same letter from 2?
Hi Ted,
Ah yes, I think it is just CHNLove-speak for "Hasta la vista, baby". The meaning is in the previous interaction & how it could suddenly change when push comes to shove. By the way, thanks for recommending CLL, it's a worthwhile place to trawl. I joined many years ago & forgot about it, but now it is a lot bigger & better.
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He means 1 & 3 are the same letter from different agencies.
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Thanks for the information. I'm dealing with a lady who's profile is listed with P508. I have only just started to request personal e-mails. I know she uses a computer at work and thats how she reads my EMF letters. She is not in china though. I'm waiting to hear back from her now. I also asked about a phone and she told me she has a cell phone.
Dave C
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He means 1 & 3 are the same letter from different agencies.
Ah thanks Vince, it is a form letter, as even their customer service responses are. Nobody uses their head to craft a personalized response over at CHNLove, unless you twist their arm, kick their butt, and maybe threaten to nuke 'em. Beginning to sound like Chinashark, eh? Anyway he's one heckuva vigilante. I prefer to use brains not brawn.
Thanks for the information. I'm dealing with a lady who's profile is listed with P508. I have only just started to request personal e-mails. I know she uses a computer at work and thats how she reads my EMF letters. She is not in china though. I'm waiting to hear back from her now. I also asked about a phone and she told me she has a cell phone.
Dave C
Glad to be of some help, Dave! Do keep us updated. I'd like to know how much agencies interfere in what should be personal communications by way of the translator. It seems to be the root cause of most of our troubles at CHNLove.
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Bee is she traveling ? as to why not in china or did she move out?
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The letters 1 and 3 are standard letters - I believe that these are recommended by Chnlove Hong Kong. I had a few of these in my early days when they realised that they were not going to get any more EMF income from me via them.
Mayber 204 is a good agency maybe not but they are all getting tarred with then same brush.
Willy
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i agree with that Willy i wonder if they talk amongst them selves on
mode of operation
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Bee is she traveling ? as to why not in china or did she move out?
Ted,
She was transferred by her company to Singapore. I don't know exactly when. She signed up in Shenzhen in february of last year. Her brothers and sister are still in China. Her parents are deceased. She is living in Singapore for now. She told me she has a 10 year? visa to live and work in Singapore. I don't remember for sure. Her last two letters have included some chinese in them. The last one she asked in one sentence, "where do you want to play?" I had to hold off answering this one! She taught me one saying, bu xu dong!, again if I remember right. It means freeze. She has used it twice on me. :angel::icon_cheesygrin:
Dave C
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yes i agree that is a loaded question lol
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Did she type it in chinese characters? "Bu Qu Dong" sounds wrong for some reason...
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mustfocus: its qu..
bu = no
dong = move
but qu I can't put a chinese word to it..
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That's the problem. I can't match up the "qu". The reason I asked if it was written in chinese is because she could have said it in cantonese (since she's from Shenzhen). Unless it's ? in which case it's written ????
Unless it's litteral... since dong is cold in cantonese... :s
Thinking about this makes my head hurt.
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Okay, new update :
4) Thanks for your letter. The lady told us that she would try to contact you directly via personal email.
Yibang Rose Consulting Co., Ltd.
Agency ID: P512
What can I say? Good agency, good girl ! :icon_cheesygrin:
5) The lady felt regretful that you have added her to block Thanks for your letter. The lady truly hopes to build a nice relationship with you by deepening mutual understanding first. Anyway, she would try to keep in touch with you by personal email. But please be more patient with her.
Zhongshan TianMimi Information and Consultation Co. Ltd
Agency ID: P788
Now THAT'S certainly not a typical form letter ! Looks like somebody actually sat down & wrote something. Jury is still out for me in this case. What do you guys think? Anybody has experience with this agency? Do I hear somebody begging me to spend more money on EMFs? :icon_biggrin: I like this gal, some genuine untouched photos.
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Sing & Mfocus debating over chinese words? Makes me proud and glad to know you.
007, Personally I wouldn't attempt to get to a relationship this way, but each there own. I wish you luck.
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Sing & Mfocus debating over chinese words? Makes me proud and glad to know you.
007, Personally I wouldn't attempt to get to a relationship this way, but each there own. I wish you luck.
Happy Birthday Vince! Nor me, but I have to start somewhere, and I have CLL as backup. Look at it this way : 5 cases, only 1 real damage. Which if necessary I could prolly repair.
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007, I did it completely different and I felt bad doing it. They are all so lovely.
I made a list of what I wanted in a woman and stuck to it. I even had a check list with points and colors involved for not so good to best.
An example would be if she had a child? I don't mind kids but in some cases it can become a problem either in the father not allowing the child to leave or getting a visa and the extra amount for them. Also included was if the child was school age? Because I would have to give worry to what school they would go to, etc. So I made my choices this way. I'm not saying it's a better system just the way I did it?
I did something similar to what your doing. I didn't give them the no choice as you but I did place my email address in the first few EMF's. Long story short it didn't work anyway. That's when I gave it one more try and found my recent lady.
I would think doing this your way? Your not going to end up with the one you want but the one that made the cut? It doesn't mean it will work out. It's like buying an auto by color only? Sure the colors right, but does it run?
And Thank you.
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007, I did it completely different and I felt bad doing it. They are all so lovely.
I made a list of what I wanted in a woman and stuck to it. I even had a check list with points and colors involved for not so good to best.
An example would be if she had a child? I don't mind kids but in some cases it can become a problem either in the father not allowing the child to leave or getting a visa and the extra amount for them. Also included was if the child was school age? Because I would have to give worry to what school they would go to, etc. So I made my choices this way. I'm not saying it's a better system just the way I did it?
I did something similar to what your doing. I didn't give them the no choice as you but I did place my email address in the first few EMF's. Long story short it didn't work anyway. That's when I gave it one more try and found my recent lady.
I would think doing this your way? Your not going to end up with the one you want but the one that made the cut? It doesn't mean it will work out. It's like buying an auto by color only? Sure the colors right, but does it run?
And Thank you.
Hi Vince,
Thanks for explaining your method. In fact from my (disastrous) first foray into the turbulent world of internet dating 10 years ago, I learned the need for a systematic method, a series of nets if you will, to filter the boatloads of women out there. That was without the added complexity of CHN's nefarious cohorts. I think you are absolutely right. Like an interview, it only narrows the field. Ultimately, I will avoid costly mistakes like some have experienced here, but also I might throw out the baby with the bathwater sometimes. Always the issue of false positives vs false negatives. We engineers & scientists tend to do things this way. I'll bet you're one like me too. But I have also learned to develop my holistic, left brain instincts. Once narrowed down to 2 or 3, this side will take over.
Today, I met a very interesting guy, who trusted his wife of 22 years, and in short she gambled away his millions that he worked so hard to earn from his business. In the end life is a gamble. I will not regret this seemingly brutal filtering, what happened to him was brutal. He told me, Larry, you made the smartest decision not to get married. Now he is a man who has many girlfriends, and enjoys his life.
I am a very skilled boardgames player, and it trains me to evaluate many factors at once. The right brain can only evaluate factors in isolation. The left brain calculates holistically. For example, if she's drop dead gorgeous, but smokes & is high maintainance, yet has no kids, and is willing to emigrate & give up her career. You have to see all factors together and compare to what else is available. The weightage you give to each factor will be different from me! For example I give high weightage to non-smoking spouse, you won't coz you yourself smoke. Kids are a minus for me, but not that bad as it is a backdoor way to get residence here in Singapore. The right choice for you may not be for me. I estimate at best the filter I use will determine 60% of suitability. Remaining 40% is all internal factors like, how much I like her? how well we get along, what sacrifices on whose part? our families, etc.
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I in no way was saying, do it my way. I don't think you took it that way but just in case?
Funny you said "We engineers & scientists" I started out wanting to go into architecture. When I went to college the first semester class was full so I went to the business courses instead. Second semester same thing. I even went to the asst, Dean and complained, it didn't help. So I ended up with a business degree. 10 or 15 years later I was a dept. head for x-ray machines manufacturer. The engineering dept. wouldn't make a move without consulting me first. That's when I realized I should have gone into engineering instead. Who knows it would have been a different life? :icon_cool:
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That's the problem. I can't match up the "qu". The reason I asked if it was written in chinese is because she could have said it in cantonese (since she's from Shenzhen). Unless it's ? in which case it's written ????
Unless it's litteral... since dong is cold in cantonese... :s
Thinking about this makes my head hurt.
Sorry guys, I just found the spelling error I made, its bu xu dong, ????She said it means freeze.
5) The lady felt regretful that you have added her to block Thanks for your letter. The lady truly hopes to build a nice relationship with you by deepening mutual understanding first. Anyway, she would try to keep in touch with you by personal email. But please be more patient with her.
Zhongshan TianMimi Information and Consultation Co. Ltd
Agency ID: P788
Now THAT'S certainly not a typical form letter ! Looks like somebody actually sat down & wrote something. Jury is still out for me in this case. What do you guys think? Anybody has experience with this agency? Do I hear somebody begging me to spend more money on EMFs? :icon_biggrin: I like this gal, some genuine untouched photos.
I don't have experiece with that particular agency, but if you want my opinion about the responce, I would have to say they are on the up and up with you and the lady.
Dave C
Kids are a minus for me, but not that bad as it is a backdoor way to get residence here in Singapore. The right choice for you may not be for me. I estimate at best the filter I use will determine 60% of suitability. Remaining 40% is all internal factors like, how much I like her? how well we get along, what sacrifices on whose part? our families, etc.
007,
I just got this, are you in Singapore as in living in, or will you be there, say, the end of march?
Dave C
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I in no way was saying, do it my way. I don't think you took it that way but just in case?
Funny you said "We engineers & scientists" I started out wanting to go into architecture. When I went to college the first semester class was full so I went to the business courses instead. Second semester same thing. I even went to the asst, Dean and complained, it didn't help. So I ended up with a business degree. 10 or 15 years later I was a dept. head for x-ray machines manufacturer. The engineering dept. wouldn't make a move without consulting me first. That's when I realized I should have gone into engineering instead. Who knows it would have been a different life? :icon_cool:
I see life as a series of decision points. My Dad taught History & English, so I tended towards a love of those subjects. If you ever read the life of any great person, Caesar, Alexander, Napoleon.... you would notice they often bet it all on one battle or alliance, campaign or strategy. As a former futures broker & trader, I have come to terms with the possibility of loss in pursuit of gain. There is now a whole new branch of psychology pertaining to this. When I make a decision, whichever way it turns out, I am content, let the dice fall as they will. The Taoists have a philosophy about "wu wei" or going with the flow instead of swimming against the tide. If the gal turns me down, fine, I save a bunch of EMFs, and am free to check out new ones. If she concedes, I have moved the relationship one step better.... and I am VERY effective over the phone.
That's the problem. I can't match up the "qu". The reason I asked if it was written in chinese is because she could have said it in cantonese (since she's from Shenzhen). Unless it's ? in which case it's written ????
Unless it's litteral... since dong is cold in cantonese... :s
Thinking about this makes my head hurt.
Sorry guys, I just found the spelling error I made, its bu xu dong, ????She said it means freeze.
5) The lady felt regretful that you have added her to block Thanks for your letter. The lady truly hopes to build a nice relationship with you by deepening mutual understanding first. Anyway, she would try to keep in touch with you by personal email. But please be more patient with her.
Zhongshan TianMimi Information and Consultation Co. Ltd
Agency ID: P788
Now THAT'S certainly not a typical form letter ! Looks like somebody actually sat down & wrote something. Jury is still out for me in this case. What do you guys think? Anybody has experience with this agency? Do I hear somebody begging me to spend more money on EMFs? :icon_biggrin: I like this gal, some genuine untouched photos.
I don't have experiece with that particular agency, but if you want my opinion about the responce, I would have to say they are on the up and up with you and the lady.
Dave C
Kids are a minus for me, but not that bad as it is a backdoor way to get residence here in Singapore. The right choice for you may not be for me. I estimate at best the filter I use will determine 60% of suitability. Remaining 40% is all internal factors like, how much I like her? how well we get along, what sacrifices on whose part? our families, etc.
007,
I just got this, are you in Singapore as in living in, or will you be there, say, the end of march?
Dave C
Dave,
I agree, just sounds like they are also begging for more EMFs. Brinkmanship. I am living in Singapore. And should be here end March. If you are coming to meet HER, I will offer any reasonable help I can. I may even get a visit of my own from a gal, as mentioned elsewhere.
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007
I will be keeping in touch with you. I will let you, and everybody else, know when I will be leaving. I have to get a couple other things in order before I can leave but I will be booking my trip shortly. I do have questions for you and I hope that you will not mind me asking.
Dave C
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007
I will be keeping in touch with you. I will let you, and everybody else, know when I will be leaving. I have to get a couple other things in order before I can leave but I will be booking my trip shortly. I do have questions for you and I hope that you will not mind me asking.
Dave C
Sure man, I've been living here upwards of a decade, and visited China upwards of 10 times. I speak fluent English, Chinese (3 dialects) and Malay. Can even be an impromptu tour guide, but I do have quite a busy work schedule. Nights usually free though. At your service. But do note I will be away from 15 - 22 Feb for Chinese New Year, so I won't be online much (maybe once a coupla days as my sister's PC is on dialup & damn frakkin slow).
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As a lil bit of extra observation for those of you guys who may be interested, I suspect 2 of the hottest gals from GZB (one of the agencies referred to in my first post on this thread) which was newly posted on Monday 8th Feb, are using either fake photos, or heavily doctored/photoshopped pics. But you will need to look VERY CLOSELY to notice it. As usual the 2 are "oversubscribed" in a jiffy as befitting their hotness. So you would have to waste an EMF just getting their attention. Oh, the ladies' background are probably legit, but problem is, are the photos legit?
And after that episode & jeffm's ongoing travelogue :
http://www.chnlove.info/showthread.php?tid=1893
I am quite leery of the Guangzhou/Shenzhen agencies.
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and well you should be the agencies in shenzhen and gz . it seems to
be the 2 that i hear of a lot of problems with. more so than what you hear
from other agencies in other cities. this is just based on what i have heard
here in the forum and from personal talks with people who have used these
places. more so from the personal talks i have had with people.
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007
Responding to your original post without the long quote.
#1 of your post - I had the same issue with the GBZ agency, and have the same scam feeling from them.
#2 of your post - The oriental agency translator actually slipped an additional email from a girl to me without the girl replying to my first email. Two in a row. I think this has happened two times with that agency. I will be visiting them today, and the translator in particular to ask her why she did that. I can't wait. How often do we get the chance to confront the translator face to face haha.
007, I did it completely different and I felt bad doing it. They are all so lovely.
I made a list of what I wanted in a woman and stuck to it. I even had a check list with points and colors involved for not so good to best.
An example would be if she had a child? I don't mind kids but in some cases it can become a problem either in the father not allowing the child to leave or getting a visa and the extra amount for them. Also included was if the child was school age? Because I would have to give worry to what school they would go to, etc. So I made my choices this way. I'm not saying it's a better system just the way I did it?
I did something similar to what your doing. I didn't give them the no choice as you but I did place my email address in the first few EMF's. Long story short it didn't work anyway. That's when I gave it one more try and found my recent lady.
I would think doing this your way? Your not going to end up with the one you want but the one that made the cut? It doesn't mean it will work out. It's like buying an auto by color only? Sure the colors right, but does it run?
And Thank you.
Hi Vince,
Thanks for explaining your method. In fact from my (disastrous) first foray into the turbulent world of internet dating 10 years ago, I learned the need for a systematic method, a series of nets if you will, to filter the boatloads of women out there. That was without the added complexity of CHN's nefarious cohorts. I think you are absolutely right. Like an interview, it only narrows the field. Ultimately, I will avoid costly mistakes like some have experienced here, but also I might throw out the baby with the bathwater sometimes. Always the issue of false positives vs false negatives. We engineers & scientists tend to do things this way. I'll bet you're one like me too. But I have also learned to develop my holistic, left brain instincts. Once narrowed down to 2 or 3, this side will take over.
Today, I met a very interesting guy, who trusted his wife of 22 years, and in short she gambled away his millions that he worked so hard to earn from his business. In the end life is a gamble. I will not regret this seemingly brutal filtering, what happened to him was brutal. He told me, Larry, you made the smartest decision not to get married. Now he is a man who has many girlfriends, and enjoys his life.
I am a very skilled boardgames player, and it trains me to evaluate many factors at once. The right brain can only evaluate factors in isolation. The left brain calculates holistically. For example, if she's drop dead gorgeous, but smokes & is high maintainance, yet has no kids, and is willing to emigrate & give up her career. You have to see all factors together and compare to what else is available. The weightage you give to each factor will be different from me! For example I give high weightage to non-smoking spouse, you won't coz you yourself smoke. Kids are a minus for me, but not that bad as it is a backdoor way to get residence here in Singapore. The right choice for you may not be for me. I estimate at best the filter I use will determine 60% of suitability. Remaining 40% is all internal factors like, how much I like her? how well we get along, what sacrifices on whose part? our families, etc.
007 excellent post.
Especially the part about the guy who was married 22 years. That is why I am so cautious and picky. I'm not a millionare, but I do have assets I have built over my life that I don't want to lose based on emotional decisions some women can have. I am doing the big sift myself. I THINK I have a nice one in Nanning, but time will tell. I do want this search to be over for me in the worst way, but the logical thinking voice always prevails to "think things through". I've had moments on this trip where I too have given thought about revising my philosophy of having one wife as compared to a few girlfriends. The thing that keeps in the one wife mindset are my young daughters who want me to find a wife lol. They want that woman figure in my home.
I think in my past life I was an engineer lol. I am always fascinated with the physics of building design. If I sit somewhere long enough I always end up analyzing building design as it relates to load bearing issues, utilities, and the efficiency of flow of people in and out the building etc.. lol.
As a lil bit of extra observation for those of you guys who may be interested, I suspect 2 of the hottest gals from GZB (one of the agencies referred to in my first post on this thread) which was newly posted on Monday 8th Feb, are using either fake photos, or heavily doctored/photoshopped pics. But you will need to look VERY CLOSELY to notice it. As usual the 2 are "oversubscribed" in a jiffy as befitting their hotness. So you would have to waste an EMF just getting their attention. Oh, the ladies' background are probably legit, but problem is, are the photos legit?
And after that episode & jeffm's ongoing travelogue :
http://www.chnlove.info/showthread.php?tid=1893
I am quite leery of the Guangzhou/Shenzhen agencies.
Do you have the profile numbers of the two you speak of from GZB? I wouldn't be surprised if I have written them before. lol
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To answer you jeffm,
1) Actually that guy was pestered into marrying by his Mom. Tragic. He now has over 20 gfs on call. A real role model haha.
2) GZB273573 & GZB273575.
Let's see how good your fake detection skills are, mate, hehe.... these are good fakes, methinks, like the 3rd generation Terminator in T3, they look as human as you & me, except they also look so good you get to thinking with the wrong head ! :icon_cheesygrin:
BTW the reason I call fake is different for each one. Skynet is learning & getting smarter. They may even have lurkers here. They will assault your weaknesses and not stop til they pry every last credit from your account !:icon_evil:
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I'll add an agency to your list 007. First I'll explain why. I metioned on the 'Babysteps' thread that of the initial 4 women I contacted via EMF, it seemed to me that one was probably spoiled, and did not have the necessary life experience I was looking for, and that I planned to block her. I wrote her an EMF explaining, as nicely as I could, my concerns, that I thought I was probably not the right man for her, and that depending on how she responded I was going to add her to my blocked list. I waited to give her a chance to answer me. I received her response this evening.
It was just a rewording of her first emf response, it did not address a thing I had said to her in my last emf, and the very first words were 'I am glad to receive your letter, it brightened my day!'. No way what I sent her brightened her day, lol.
So the agency is Liuzhou Kaimei Company Limited P620. Maybe this is an isolated incident, but I'd be wary of that agency.
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Yeah it sounds like the translator decided to reply instead of the lady.
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Yeah it sounds like the translator decided to reply instead of the lady.
I would give them hell, and then some. Definitely an extreme bad rating, complaint to CHN, etc, the works. And post here, or own thread.
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Yeah it sounds like the translator decided to reply instead of the lady.
I would give them hell, and then some. Definitely an extreme bad rating, complaint to CHN, etc, the works. And post here, or own thread.
Well, I did everything you mention here except write chnlove. Gave them a bad rating, wrote a scathing comment on why i gave them that rating, and posted here.
The response was worded enough differently from her first two letters (actually one was simply complaining that I wasn't writing back fast enough) that they could say it was a legitimate response, but it isn't-I was very specific in what I asked the lady to reply to, and she touched not one issue I raised. Here is what she wrote;
Hi Roy,
Thank you for your letter, it truly brightened my day!
I am looking for the man who is honest, loyal and responsible. We don't know what will happen next minute, so we should cherish our fates. I believe we would know each other better thought further correspondence. You will prove your feeling of outer and inner beauty. I am also looking for your partner to share everything with you including happiness and sorrow.
I dont play any game here, it will not only hurt anothers person, but also hurt myself. although i am not young any more, i still have a young heart. I like smile, and i want bring my smile to the person around me. The smiling not only can bring me a positive attitude to life, but also give me many happiness. When i am searching my soul mate, i dont mind where he comes from, i just hope he can be kind, honest, postive to life, and responsible to family; i dont mind whether he is rich, i would like stay beside him, love him, take care him, and we together create our beautiful future!
And thanks for telling me so much about you and your sincerity about the view of love. For me, I am so serious to find my soul mate here, which is the only thing I am doing now—of course except my work. ^_^ I do not require my lover is handsome and rich, but he will love me, care me, respect me and help me for the rest of life. And I will do the same to him. We don't know what will happen next minute, so we should cherish our fates. I believe we would know each other better thought further correspondence. You will prove your feeling of outer and inner beauty. Will you?
Looking forward to your reply.
Best wishes
Sincerely yours,
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Basically all that is, is an introductory letter. It certainly did not respond to any of the life issues-her life issues-I had specifically asked her to answer in my previous emf. Some snippets from that:
In my first letter to you, I asked that you read my profile again and then write me back with your thoughts on what I said there. I was dissapointed that you did not do this. You seem like a very sweet, nice young lady, and you are of course very beautiful! But, I am not sure that I am the right man for your future....
From your previous letter, it seems that perhaps you come from some privaleged background?....I know that in China, it is very important to have the family's blessing before marriage, and I wonder if it would be possible for me, a poor western man, to be able to get this from them. Also, I wonder if you really know what marriage is about? You have never been married. I am not saying these things to make you feel bad, I am simply expressing to you the questions I have about proceeding further with you. It is one thing to have observed others, and it is another thing to have lived and experienced the trials and hardships of married life....
Whoever I meet and marry, if this happens, will need to come to my country to live with me. Do you think this is something you could or would do?....Tell me, what does your family think about you looking for a husband this way? What do they think about you looking for a foreigner, and about you possibly moving many thousands of miles away from them? How is your english? You say you wish to have a steady job in the future, you will need to know english fairly well to be employed here. I do not think you are the type of lady who would be satisfied working as a waitress in the local chinese buffet restauraunt.....
Etc. I ended with this;
Please, if you write me back, answer all the things I have talked about here. If you do not, then I will have to make a decision to block further correspondence with you.
I like how 'she' said twice we would get to know each other better through more correspondence. In other words, spend your emf credits here, foolish western man! But there was no response specific to anything I asked or issue I raised in my letter to her.
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thats a typical form letter as i have recieved a few with very similiar wording in it.
the only way is to keep taking a hard stand and dont tolerate their games. to
many looking for a man to wait out and spend that kind of money.
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That letter is as ersatz as the typical elevator music, or Walmart offerings. It is a real insult to be scammed by such an unimaginative idiot, at least give me a full blown creative liar or schizo.....
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at least give me a full blown creative liar or schizo.....
You rang M'Lord.:fi_lone_ranger:
Willy
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at least give me a full blown creative liar or schizo.....
You rang M'Lord.:fi_lone_ranger:
Willy
EGGzactly! You kissed the Blarney Stone, mayhap? Aha, I remember Bill Clinton in his heyday was called "Slick Willy", so maybe it's homage to the Master :icon_cheesygrin:
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That letter is as ersatz as the typical elevator music, or Walmart offerings. It is a real insult to be scammed by such an unimaginative idiot, at least give me a full blown creative liar or schizo.....
Yeah, I pretty much took it as an insult. "Oh yeah? You wanna get assertive with me? Well, I steal your emf credit! So there, uppity western sillyboy!" I was open to letting her have one last chance to explain herself and make her case, so I was willing to risk the credit-I have plenty for now. But she quickly went on the blocked list after I received that.
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I got a few notes saying the lady would contact me by personal e-mail and they never did. It's just a polite way of saying if you don't want to use the EMF service then forget it. I gave her my e-mail, QQ and relatives cell in HK and still no response so fellas don't be fooled.
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I got a few notes saying the lady would contact me by personal e-mail and they never did. It's just a polite way of saying if you don't want to use the EMF service then forget it. I gave her my e-mail, QQ and relatives cell in HK and still no response so fellas don't be fooled.
Yup you're right there, they never did, and if they still don't after a month I'm gonna raise hell. BUT now, I have one lady who actually gave me her phone number, so I can raise hell about the liars. Will update the status of those "will contact yous" later. One even wrote a one-liner asking for my email, well, we shall see how easy it is to steal my credits.
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Keep in mind gentlemen that you should keep a positive attitude
and not think that you will get ripped off all the time because i
think that it will give you an attitude and will probably leave you
open to get ripped. subconciesly you will do it and not realize it
just my 2 cents worth
keep positive :icon_cheesygrin:
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Keep in mind gentlemen that you should keep a positive attitude
and not think that you will get ripped off all the time because i
think that it will give you an attitude and will probably leave you
open to get ripped. subconciesly you will do it and not realize it
just my 2 cents worth
keep positive :icon_cheesygrin:
Ted,
Good point. I am not going into this with a negative attitude. I will be keeping up a positive attitude. It is the only way to build up trust either with the woman or the agency, but I will always stay on my guard.
Dave C
Yup you're right there, they never did, and if they still don't after a month I'm gonna raise hell. BUT now, I have one lady who actually gave me her phone number, so I can raise hell about the liars. Will update the status of those "will contact yous" later. One even wrote a one-liner asking for my email, well, we shall see how easy it is to steal my credits.
I wlii be in Singapore the beginning of april. I get there april 1st. My plane lands at 11:35 pm, so there won't be any time for any april fools jokes on me! :icon_cheesygrin: I have my ladies address and the hotel she suggested is near her place. We have had a couple e-mails exchanged and I see a slight difference in whom the letter is written from. She still has the basic attitude towards me though, so I think that the EMF letters are really from her and not generated from the agency. There may be a little of the translator injected into the letters but what the content basically is looks like it is really from her. We will see for sure when I get there but I don't have any doubts. There is internet access at the hotel so I will try to post here how things are going.
I am heading back to florida later today for about two weeks. trwme, I have packed a seperate suitcase with only clean underwear. There must be 40 or 50 pair in there!! I can change my underwear 3 times a day! :icon_cheesygrin: HAHAHAHA Your ex must not have met any real Canadian men if that was her impression of Canadian men!! HAHAHA :icon_cool::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cool:
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Dave,
buy your underwear and socks here 10 packs for 20 rmb lol
more room in your suitcase for other things
Ted
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I am heading back to florida later today for about two weeks. trwme, I have packed a seperate suitcase with only clean underwear. There must be 40 or 50 pair in there!! I can change my underwear 3 times a day! :icon_cheesygrin: HAHAHAHA Your ex must not have met any real Canadian men if that was her impression of Canadian men!! HAHAHA :icon_cool::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cool:
lol, well, she has a feminist streak, so she basically has an attitude about any man, wherever he comes from. Hey, did I mention she is FRENCH Canadian? Don't know if that makes any difference, lol. From Moncton N.B., so if you're ever in that vicinity, and run into a petite dark haired woman in her 50's with semi asian features....look out!
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Keep in mind gentlemen that you should keep a positive attitude
and not think that you will get ripped off all the time because i
think that it will give you an attitude and will probably leave you
open to get ripped. subconciesly you will do it and not realize it
just my 2 cents worth
keep positive :icon_cheesygrin:
I also did get 2 direct phone numbers, so it's not all gloom & doom. But still, I got 20 phone numbers at the other site, which is 10x better ROI. Once I get the numbers, boy, things couldn't have gone better.
Keep in mind gentlemen that you should keep a positive attitude
and not think that you will get ripped off all the time because i
think that it will give you an attitude and will probably leave you
open to get ripped. subconciesly you will do it and not realize it
just my 2 cents worth
keep positive :icon_cheesygrin:
Ted,
Good point. I am not going into this with a negative attitude. I will be keeping up a positive attitude. It is the only way to build up trust either with the woman or the agency, but I will always stay on my guard.
Dave C
Yup you're right there, they never did, and if they still don't after a month I'm gonna raise hell. BUT now, I have one lady who actually gave me her phone number, so I can raise hell about the liars. Will update the status of those "will contact yous" later. One even wrote a one-liner asking for my email, well, we shall see how easy it is to steal my credits.
I wlii be in Singapore the beginning of april. I get there april 1st. My plane lands at 11:35 pm, so there won't be any time for any april fools jokes on me! :icon_cheesygrin: I have my ladies address and the hotel she suggested is near her place. We have had a couple e-mails exchanged and I see a slight difference in whom the letter is written from. She still has the basic attitude towards me though, so I think that the EMF letters are really from her and not generated from the agency. There may be a little of the translator injected into the letters but what the content basically is looks like it is really from her. We will see for sure when I get there but I don't have any doubts. There is internet access at the hotel so I will try to post here how things are going.
I am heading back to florida later today for about two weeks. trwme, I have packed a seperate suitcase with only clean underwear. There must be 40 or 50 pair in there!! I can change my underwear 3 times a day! :icon_cheesygrin: HAHAHAHA Your ex must not have met any real Canadian men if that was her impression of Canadian men!! HAHAHA :icon_cool::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cool:
Well well, is it the Hotel 81? Haha, inside joke here. Do give me a tinkle at 82007154, yes, it will be interesting. PM me & we shall talk details. Underwear is cheap here, we even have disposables, maybe you might wanna bring more blue pills? haha :icon_cheesygrin:
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I am heading back to florida later today for about two weeks. trwme, I have packed a seperate suitcase with only clean underwear. There must be 40 or 50 pair in there!! I can change my underwear 3 times a day! :icon_cheesygrin: HAHAHAHA Your ex must not have met any real Canadian men if that was her impression of Canadian men!! HAHAHA :icon_cool::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cool:
lol, well, she has a feminist streak, so she basically has an attitude about any man, wherever he comes from. Hey, did I mention she is FRENCH Canadian? Don't know if that makes any difference, lol. From Moncton N.B., so if you're ever in that vicinity, and run into a petite dark haired woman in her 50's with semi asian features....look out!
Semi-asian arcadian? Ouch! That'll get ya. I find they tend to go to extremes. If they're nice, they're really nice. But if they're bad, they're really bad. But most are of the nice variety.
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I am heading back to florida later today for about two weeks. trwme, I have packed a seperate suitcase with only clean underwear. There must be 40 or 50 pair in there!! I can change my underwear 3 times a day! :icon_cheesygrin: HAHAHAHA Your ex must not have met any real Canadian men if that was her impression of Canadian men!! HAHAHA :icon_cool::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cool:
lol, well, she has a feminist streak, so she basically has an attitude about any man, wherever he comes from. Hey, did I mention she is FRENCH Canadian? Don't know if that makes any difference, lol. From Moncton N.B., so if you're ever in that vicinity, and run into a petite dark haired woman in her 50's with semi asian features....look out!
Semi-asian arcadian? Ouch! That'll get ya. I find they tend to go to extremes. If they're nice, they're really nice. But if they're bad, they're really bad. But most are of the nice variety.
lol, you nailed her! when she was nice, couldn't want a nicer lady, but when she was not nice, lord have mercy....if the slightest thing was out of place, it was the absolute end of the world. And she made sure you knew it was all your fault that the world was ending too, in as many different way as she could come up with to make that clear to you. it just got to the point where the not nice one was there all the time and the nice one never came around for a visit.
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I guess I've been pretty lucky. All the acadians I have met have been nice people. Most french canadians are quite nice. Except for the rabid separatists... Those tend to drive everyone nuts
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mustfocus,
When i was in Montreal many many years ago now, that's ALL i ever came across these Rabid separatists!! (as you call them) If you couldn't speak French they either totally ignored you, or were intent on throwing insults at you. Thank god i was only there in that city for 10 days or so. Now Vancouver was a totally different city altogether.... Great people great hospitality, and a joy to be around, had lots of fun there!! ....but that's another story!!! hahaha!!
David....
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Well, back to the original focus of the op here on this thread. I can't say i'm the most experienced member here, but at this point I can give a good report for Wuhan P509. After talking with my lady there on the phone, I found the same personalty as in her letters, which tells me our translator was very faithful in translating her words to me. Also, I did not have to resort to any drama to get personal contact information for Xin, the lady I'm writing there. I simply suggested to her that we needed to eventually move to more direct contact, and the very next letter contained her phone #, which I can now verify was genuine. So obviously they did not try to edit what I said to her, nor did they try to prevent me from getting her phone#.
I am a very satisfied customer, as well as a very happy camper this morning, lol.
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Maybe you ran into the language police... For those of you not in the know, in Quebec, french has to be the prominent language of display... any other languages have to be half the size of the french or smaller. The language police are everywhere...
Montreal isn't supposed to be too bad...but Quebec City and Hull... I shudder at the encounters you may have had.
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sounds like a good agency trying to do well
keep us posted on how it develops
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sounds like a good agency trying to do well
keep us posted on how it develops
I'll do that. I bought a ton of credits when I started this, and I still have 35 left. I intend to use them, lol. So I'll get more experience with this agency through that.
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trwme,
Yes, please keep us posted on the agency. It is good to hear of an agency that is trying to build a good reputation.
007,
I will get in touch with you before I come there. Blue Pills???? I have never had them but it has been a while since I have done anything so I'm not sure if it will be needed. (Hell, I don't even know if it still works! Hahaha) I've got lots of questions for you if you want to take the time to answer them.
Dave C
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Sure, one good turn deserves another ! Bring em on ! I could prolly arrange some interesting activities as well if you are so inclined, either just us, or with your gal. There are activities that are just fun, and those that give you two a nice shared experience, and those that tell you about her character.
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Is there any updates on this thread... it's obviously old, but I found it most interesting :D
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Is there any updates on this thread... it's obviously old, but I found it most interesting :D
Unfortunately the majority of men on the earlier posts have, been banned, lost their ladies, (some both) or just given up on the idea of a Chinese wife or have been successful and just want to keep all they have learned along the way to themselves. You will recognise one or two names on this thread as still being around from today's posting.
Another unfortunate thing is that most on here now have been successful over the years and no longer use agencies so we rely on new people, like yourself, to imput your experiences of the current workings of various agencies and websites. This will help others just starting out.
So we await to hear more from you as to your own experiences. You want to tell us something that may help others then by all means do so. ( Even I am not too old to learn.)
You want to ask questions then do so. There is a lot of experience waiting to give their opinions to you.
I personally have really acquired the taste of living in China and I have non intentions of leaving. It suits me fine. Others prefer live in their own countries but varied answers you will get.
Willy