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General Discussion and Useful Links => The Campfire => Topic started by: Arnold on October 04, 2009, 10:08:31 am
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I start this thread for anyone who has heared or seen anything relating to him being shot , please Post here . Thank you .
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If anyone can find a report of his shooting in a newspaper or anything like that. it would be good to post here. Arnold and I have tried but cannot find anything so far.
Thank goodness, the prognosis is good right now. We are all relieved. but now his healing begins and it will be a hard time for him. I have been through this myself and know it is not easy. So he and Zhou will still need our support. An address where we can send cards/flowers or whatever would be good to have also. I am sure he would appreciate it.
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Can someone tell me exactly what area of the States he lives in. I can then monitor the local TV news channels.
David...
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Can someone tell me exactly what area of the States he lives in. I can then monitor the local TV news channels.
David...
David,
his profile says Philadelphia Pennsylvania, pulled up the local paper on line, and found nothing yet.
buzz
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This is a good thing Arnold, thank you, I have some one here that work for mike, we call him rabbit, him name Joe I thought you would all want know what happen hehe, mike is sleep.
hello people, my name is Joe and as Ms. Zhou has said Big Mike calls me rabbit cause I chase them down, they have made Mr. Mike sleep now and I have brought Ms. Zhou home to sleep and she has asked that I tell you all what has happened, as much as I am allowed.
we were hunting Mr. this person and we found him, put him in cuffs and was walking him to the car when a woman came at big Mike from an ally shooting first one hit Mr. Mi8ke in the left thigh and then the second one hit him in the nack, it missed anything important but made a mess, the woman then ran away, I was to stupid to help Mr. Mike and didnot want to leave him and our prisoner but, she was caught about 2 am.
I fell I should tell you some thing of the type of man Mr. Mike is, he gave me this job, not just a job to me , he put me in jail once a little back and he came to see me about once a month when I was inside, he asked me if I wanted a job when I got out and he was there waiting at the gate when I got outand this is the job he gave me, I have to take piss tests when ever he says but thats ok, I owe him a lot and I personaly thank you all for the prayers, may God bless you all.
Mr. Mike is at the University of Pa. hospital, can't have visters yet, they will be transfering him to the VA hospital when he can be moved, we, the teams are not leting no one near himfor now.
Ms.Zhou is sleeping on the couch now so I will go and watch tv.
we have kept this from the media so far and the police are helping there also.
Mr . Mike was smart, he has money put away for this and we won't let Ms. Zhou want for nothin.
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Just did a search on any news? Nothing? It's hasn't been reported anywhere.
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Thanks Zhou and Rabbit for the update and the information! Wow...wild story! that explains why there was no news of this.
It's good to know his wound in the neck missed all the important things, hopefully the one in the thigh is the same.
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Yes it was with better news awakening then the situation was going to sleep. Suddenly the morning does not seem as gloomy. Thanks for the update.
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Greetings Brothers,
MLM, Zhou and family,
So glad to hear Mike is recovering. While it may be a long road back to full health at least you are at his side to give him your love and make sure he behaves in the hospital and follow the doctors orders.
As has been said we are all thankfull that he pulled through and without doubt Zhou, it was your love that did it.
Take care family and good luck with the recovery. Dont forget tie him in a chair if you have to so he doesnt do anything he shouldnt hehe.
Best wishes,
Zhen and Brian
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When Michael is moved please let us know so we may keep in touch. he is our Brother and we all feel very attached to him. And PLEASE let us know if there is anything you need for him or for yourself. we want to help in any way we can. Just tell us what you need and it will be done I promise you.
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Jim thanks for opening this tread it will mean a lot to Mike when he is able to come back online and read what has been written...
Zhou we are all in this together, your hurt is our hurt, your happiness is also ours...
We are so grateful that God/Budda has listened to the prayers that you, your family and this brotherhood has provided...
'Kitten' stay as strong as I know you are, we wish him a speedy recovery
Joe, thanks for your post, this is good news at least knowing the one who done this has been found...
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Thank you for the news Joe...(Mr Rabbit :icon_cheesygrin:)
It's been a long night....so glad to know Mike is on the mend. Very best wishes to all of you from Australia.
DavidE
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I am home to check kids, they are good, mike has had 3 bags of blood but not blood, clear, DR. says something not right so they did exray found bullit broke now two, one still inside neck, they will operate in 9 pm tonite.ok bye and thank you
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My best wishes to mike for a speedy recovery, I am waiting to hear the news of his operation, I know he will pull through. Did they get that shooter? I hope so. My best wishes and prayers to all of you.
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I am not be facisious here guy's but...... AMEN TO THAT
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Hi Zhou and all,
I have been reading praying for about Mike and you too Zhou. The both of you will need strength over the next few days but I believe everything will be alright.
I want to share a prayer with you that I pray in situations like this. I have not shared it until now for many reasons. One of the amazing things to me about this site is a not so little thing called acceptance. We all accept each other just as we are accepted. Just as each of us are different, we all have different beliefs and we try to respect the differences. So when you read it please used it, if you choose, and adapt it to your way of religious belief. The issue here is not our different beliefs but that we lift up Mike in a positive manner. Mike is a great person and deserves that much. If you do have issue with it please PM me and we can discuss it privately.
This prayer is in the bible and is Psalm 20 but is adapted to a song written by a man named Dennis Jernigan that he calls The Blessing Song;
May the Lord answer you in the day of your trouble!
May the name of the Lord be your strong might tower!
May He grant you your heart's deepest dreams and desires!
May He answer each time you call!
May He pour out the blessings of heaven!
May you cast your cares on Him and daily fall!
May you live to see your children's children!
May He answer each time you call!
Zhou, you already know this but each one of us think Mike is a special man and all out our thoughts and prayers are with the both of you.
Blessings,
Shaun
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What a terrible shock! I do hope he recovers. It is very sad that such a thing can happen. Our thoughts too are with our friend and brother.
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This is a good thing Arnold, thank you, I have some one here that work for mike, we call him rabbit, him name Joe I thought you would all want know what happen hehe, mike is sleep.
hello people, my name is Joe and as Ms. Zhou has said Big Mike calls me rabbit cause I chase them down, they have made Mr. Mike sleep now and I have brought Ms. Zhou home to sleep and she has asked that I tell you all what has happened, as much as I am allowed.
we were hunting Mr. this person and we found him, put him in cuffs and was walking him to the car when a woman came at big Mike from an ally shooting first one hit Mr. Mi8ke in the left thigh and then the second one hit him in the nack, it missed anything important but made a mess, the woman then ran away, I was to stupid to help Mr. Mike and didnot want to leave him and our prisoner but, she was caught about 2 am.
I fell I should tell you some thing of the type of man Mr. Mike is, he gave me this job, not just a job to me , he put me in jail once a little back and he came to see me about once a month when I was inside, he asked me if I wanted a job when I got out and he was there waiting at the gate when I got outand this is the job he gave me, I have to take piss tests when ever he says but thats ok, I owe him a lot and I personaly thank you all for the prayers, may God bless you all.
Mr. Mike is at the University of Pa. hospital, can't have visters yet, they will be transfering him to the VA hospital when he can be moved, we, the teams are not leting no one near himfor now.
Ms.Zhou is sleeping on the couch now so I will go and watch tv.
we have kept this from the media so far and the police are helping there also.
Mr . Mike was smart, he has money put away for this and we won't let Ms. Zhou want for nothin.
Rabbit: You did exactly the right thing. You stayed with Mike and kept your prisoner. You may have not known exactly what to do but I am sure you did your best. That is all anyone could ask. And I am sure Mike will tell you the same thing when he is able. The way you handled it is trained in all of the law Enforcement and Security classes
so do not call yourself stupid.
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Zhou I spoke with my Ke Ren about one hour ago on the phone. She told me to send this message to you.
I translated it into Chinese for you.
"My honey Rob was very upset, he tell me bad thing happen to our friend Mike.
I am sorry to hear this, we will prey for him. Sister stay strong your loving husband will return. We pray now.
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Has anyone heard anymore news on Mikes latest condition and progress in hospital?? I'm hoping no-news is good news!!
David....
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Has anyone heard anymore news on Mikes latest condition and progress in hospital?? I'm hoping no-news is good news!!
David....
Not heard a thing mate, just hoping and praying;-((
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We are all hoping that no news is good news. Men, for those who pray please continue to do so.
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If we wanted to send flowers, what room should we send them to? And under what name...Is Michael his real name, or a cover name?
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Wishing, wanting some good news about Brother Mike. Well, I just can understand a bit what happened to him, but a question is still in my head... "why did it happen, and why to him, in fact...."
Anyway, I hope he'll recover quickly from the operation.
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Has anyone got Mikes house/cell phone number...The waiting on news is horrible:huh::huh:
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I also wish to get some recent News on Michael . It's hard to be left hanging like this and not knowing how he's doing .
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I also wish to get some recent News on Michael . It's hard to be left hanging like this and not knowing how he's doing .
According to the last post he was to be moved to the VA when able. Listed below is the information on the facility.
Patient Name (Patient Room Number)
c/o Philadelphia VA Medical Center
3900 Woodland Avenue
Philadelphia, PA 19104
For the location of an inpatient or their phone number, dial the Medical Center at 215-823-5800 (or 1-800-949-1001).
Buzz
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I also wish to get some recent News on Michael . It's hard to be left hanging like this and not knowing how he's doing .
According to the last post he was to be moved to the VA when able. Listed below is the information on the facility.
Patient Name (Patient Room Number)
c/o Philadelphia VA Medical Center
3900 Woodland Avenue
Philadelphia, PA 19104
For the location of an inpatient or their phone number, dial the Medical Center at 215-823-5800 (or 1-800-949-1001).
Buzz
Can any of the guys in the States, possibly call to see if they will give some info on him please.
Thanks
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I just called that number got the VA Medical Center and they told me that they have no patient by the name Micheal Maines.
Maybe they just wont give any info out yet?
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I just called that number got the VA Medical Center and they told me that they have no patient by the name Micheal Maines.
Maybe they just wont give any info out yet?
Had a moment and called the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania
where 'Rabbit' had said Mike was first at. No one listed in their facility with that name.
buzz
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The Hospitals will not tell anything, not even a confirmation of name in American hospitals. It is the right to privacy act. There isn't any medical organization that will go against it. Right now our only point of contact is either Rabbit or Zhou. I have been checking the newspapers in Philadelphia and have seen nothing. I saw one obit yesterday about a police man but he was 60+ if I remember correctly. The only other thing I can think of at this point is to tell you to check and see if you have a PM from him where he might have left a phone number or something.
Shaun
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Shaun...if someone calls asking for a specific person, the hospital will put them through to the proper room...or in the case the person is in ICU, the caller will be told that they can not be put through.
Will the hospital flat out tell the caller that no such person is in the hospital?
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Anyone know the name of Mikes business?? Or if anyone has access to the yellow pages or even white pages for his area, that can look up ... i don't know!!! Bounty hunters??? lol!! But you know what i'm talking about. Perhaps then you can get his business or home phone number.....
David.....
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Shaun...if someone calls asking for a specific person, the hospital will put them through to the proper room...or in the case the person is in ICU, the caller will be told that they can not be put through.
Will the hospital flat out tell the caller that no suck person is in the hospital?
You are both correct and not so correct at the same time. A person in the hospital is a matter of public record. Getting information about the status of the person is a violation of HIPPA which can result in a fine of up to $100,000 and 10 years in jail. So when I asked to speak to the nurse who was in charge of Mike's care, the hospital data base states that there is no such person listed.
Martin, in your response, the hospital will say "I can neither confirm or deny that this person is a patient at this hospital". This is said when there is some compelling reason for privacy, such as celebrity status. To say that this person was not there when in fact they are, would open them up for all the lawyers.
So from this I would state that we either have the wrong set of hospitals, or circumstances have changed,
I work at a hospital as an RN so these are the facts as related to privacy and HIPPA.
buzz
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Hello, this is Joe, Ms. Zhou has asked that I come here and let all Mr. Mikes friends know what has been going on, Mr. Mike had an alergy to the anisthisia that no one knew about until we found his bracelet ina drawer, i don't know anyother way then to just say it, Mr. Mike died at 10:07 PM on 10/05/09,Ms. Zhou is being made to sleep with drugs for now but she also wanted me to tell you all that the baby is okay and is growing also she told me to tell you all she will sell the buisness to his best friend for about $1.62 million so her and the kids will be fine, today Mr. Mike was cremated so when Ms. Zhou and the kids go home to China to stay in April or May she can take Mr. Mike with her.
Ms. Zhou has asked that if any of you were thinking of sending flowers or cards to please sent the money you would have spent to Mr. Mikes best charity, its one againest child abuse, he hated this the most.
Ms. Zhou also asked to tell you all that she likes all of you and has love for you all and to say goodbye.
I was also told to let you all know that she will never come back here again, it would hurt to much.
condolansays,
Joe.
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:huh: Now cracks a noble heart.
Good night, sweet prince.
And flights of angels
sing thee to thy rest!
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I'm totally gutted...Why did this happen?????:huh::huh:
God rest his soul...
Sleep well mate it was a pleasure knowing you
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I'm lost for words.
I hope he's in a better place, a sad day .
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Well... :(
Words aren't easy to say about what happened... so quickly?
It's a sad, sad, day...
May all the Brothers remember about him.
Too bad he just could not see his baby growing up :(
R.I.P, Michael.
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What can anyone say. I am totally lost for words.
If anyone is in contact with Zhou then please pass on my heartfelt sorrow.
We never met but that does not diminish the way I feel tonight.
I will alway remember Mikes motto.
TIME IS THE TELLER OF ALL TRUTHS AND THE HEALER OF ALL HURTS
I am sorry Mike that you did not get the time you needed to see your dreams through to their fulfilment.
Willy
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I'm so sorry to hear this news, May God rest his soul and watch over his family.
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My deepest sympathy and condolences to his family.May his soul rest in peace and the lord watch over his family and give them guidance.Today is a very sad day.
Ron
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In the pursuit of honour, justice and the right of ordinary citizens to live a life free of fear, this good Man, this good husband, this good Father ...and our good friend...gave his life .
What tragedy, what waste.
The World has too few of Michael L. Maines...we cannot afford to lose them.
Go in peace Michael.
DavidE
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To Zhou and family,
Oh what a terrible thing to read when I come to this site. Zhou please accept the condolences of Zhen and myself. Mike truly was one of the best and will be sorely missed. While our loss is nothing in comparison to yours please know that we feel for you in our deep hearts and wish you and your family the best.
We hope that everything in your future goes well and no further hurt visits your family. Remember if you need anything you just have to ask here on this site and help will be there.
With our deeest sympathies,
Zhen and Brian
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Being one of the very new members of this Forum, I unfortunately never had the pleasure of knowing Michael, but I wish to offer my heartfelt sorrow and deepest sympathy to his wife Zhou and his loved ones; and my sad condolences to all his many friends - which includes all the Brothers of this Forum who have paid such moving and eloquent testimony and tribute to Michael's passing. We are all only passing through and what better tribute could be paid to a man other than to say he left good behind.
Those who suffer are those who remain, and our sorrow and sad thoughts must go out to them He will be at peace, and from what I have read here, he has thoroughly earned it.
Rest In Peace Michael L. Maines you left goodness behind you and one day will be in your Zhou's arms again.
Johnboy
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I cannot believe this. I have just read of Michaels passing. It is a terrible thing. I did not know Michael personally, except for the advice he gave to me and many others. I always looked forward to reading his thoughts and now there will always be an empty spot on this forum.
To Zhou and the family, my deepest sympathy. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Don
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MLM ... Rest In Peace in your new home ... in China.
Chong
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The native Americans have a belief that no one truly dies until all those that knew them, have forgotten them. Mike will not be forgotten for a long long time. Deepest condolences and best wishes for the future to you and your family, Zhou.
Ming Zhi and Paul
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I am speechless in finding out about this tragity. My heart goes out to Zhou, and although I did not know mike that well, the world is at a loss without him, as is this site. Rest in Peace Mike, may the lord take you in his arms and keep you safe. We will miss you dearly...
Don
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Zhou,
I am truly saddened by your loss. In fact it is all of our loss but mostly yours because you knew him best. Mike was a man among men, someone we all looked up to. I know this will leave a huge emptiness in you and your family's life and I pray that it will be filled by the loving friends and family you have both here in America and at home in China. There are many of us over the next few days, months, and years that will pray for you and your children.
Mike will be missed by me and the men in this forum. He will be missed by the people he came in contact with. Zhou, it was just over the last couple of weeks that I began to realize that Mike was a person that I would call a life changer. The words of Joe confirmed this the other day. There are too few people in this world like Mike and that is what makes it all the more of a sad event. He was a great man and we will all cherish great memories of him.
Two weeks ago Mike PM'd me about my son and the problems I was having with him. Mike gave me some clear ideas on what to do and I can see them working in my son today. I am very thankful for that. That was just the kind of man he was.
My heart aches for you and your loss. You will be in my prayers.
Shaun
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Dear Zhou
Please accept our deepest condolences from all of us at Shifu Lem. Over the last few months Mike became a true friend to us with his many suggestions and recommendations. He was the one who shone the light of encouragement when there was doubt, suspicion and criticism. When we were uncertain he gave us confidence.
Michael Maines RIP
Wilson
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It is with very heavy hearts and tears in our eyes that we read todays note from Joe relating to the untimely tragic death , of Michael L Maines , our deepest sympathy to Zhou and family , may he rest in peace , from Ying and Robert
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Hi guys
I have not written much about mike except to say what i did.
We had grown closer these last few months through my posts and upcoming adventure to china. We became that close that his new 'Daughter' Lili calls me uncle. We had made plans to have a 2 week holiday in Qingdao sometime in April, after which we were going to Beijing for the weekend together his family and mine, so I can 'feel' everyones loss on here.
Anyway two days before Mike was taken away from us so tragically we were Pm'ing each other about the bagpipes. He had seen a set of players in his town and he requested them to play the 'famous' tunes Scotland the Brave etc because he like to hear the pipes played. Well anyway I put this Cd of the pipes that I have on and the tune that followed Scotland the brave (which brought mike into my mind) was 'Abide with me'...I think this is so fitting.
So I want to say farewell mate...Meet you on the other side;-((
Rob & Ke Ren
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One thing stills remains in my mind, sorry, brothers.. but... it just "happened so quickly"...
I've noticed that on FB, he has(d) 2 profiles : one for China love, another one for his family...
Well... i've been talking to him before going to Shanghai...
too many things happened so quick... and no way to make it all "clear", except that "he's gone, dude"...
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We had grown closer these last few months through my posts and upcoming adventure to china. We became that close that his new 'Daughter' Lili calls me uncle.
Rob, Can you find out what really happen? I'm not convinced it went this way. To many questions unanswered.
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Will do mate...:icon_cheesygrin:
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I have been away from the site for a week. Now this news. This is tragic. Life is such a fleeting thing. One minute everyone is celebrating his seemingly quick recovery. What an unfortunate loss to everyone associated with Michael--even those of us who knew him in a casual way.
My Sympathy to Zhou and her family.
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This is so very strange. We will miss Michael no matter how this happened. He was a good man and father. That loss alone is tragic. "Good Bye Michael L. Maines, We hardly knew ye". From myself and Mrs. Burk.
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I thought I knew Michael for two years now and I became one of his best Friends over that time .
But now , I have my doubt ( like Vince ) there is NO real Life proof this has ever happened ... except here . This really breaks my Heart , to think all this was just a play out of a pratical joke over the Internet . Of course I don't want to believe this is true ... but then ... would I wish it to be true and Michael is really gone ? I'm out of what I thought was a great Friend , either way .
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One of the "best" ways to know if all that could be true would be to write to his family members.. as I said on Facebook, 'seems like he got 2 profiles.
Not that I want to "hurt" her wife nor his family in U.S.A if Michael is really gone (too bad) but ... I don't realy know how and why nobody could see :
- he didn't support the anesthesia? I think he was in his country, so, there should be any "sign" to show what he could support or not, for that to not happen.
Maybe, for any unknown reason (welcome to the Paranoïa????), someone wanted to make him choose between China and here.. I really doubt about it but... why not.
If Michael is really gone, I'm sure that we could easily join the hospital and ask about him....I've seen some infos about it... but??? no way to get some more??
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It would be a good thing to have all the particulars of the matter, so we can remember him better. Not to show any disrepsect to his friends and family, only to show how other people have noted his passing. We are not his only friends.
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http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v222/1921/91/s100000177246521_8662.jpg
( http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=michael+maines&init=quick#/profile.php?id=100000177246521&ref=search&sid=532443004.1943018485..1 )
I can not find his other profile, 'seems like deleted.
However, Here's the link to one of the family's members :
http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=michael+maines&init=quick#/profile.php?id=1381376175 :
Tiffany Maines.
No way to know if she could be her daughter or not, I sent a message, no reply...
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Arnold...and everybody else who wrote in this Thread.
If what is suggested here is true, then this must be the most monumentious and cynical hoax in history ???
We all read his posts. many of us (me included) had several PM's. And Arnold and the founding menbers of this site had contact with "MLM" for a period of years. !!
I struggle to think what the motive for such a thing could be ? I struggle to think that anybody could go this far with a hoax?
Thee was only one flaw in the whole story for me....If you had a Business that specialised in catching Crims, it would have no assets, apart from computers, phones and furniture (maybe a few firearms etc.
This Business would have no Term Contracts against which a future value could be assessed, and it could not have a Business continuity in the accepted sense....therefore it had no "good will" to include in a sale...and yet the Business was to be sold to his Best Friend for over $ 1 Million...odd that ??
DavidE
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what's going on here? One minute we are mourning the loss of a brother,next it's a hoax,if it is a hoax
its a sick way to lose friends.
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This thread is "just a bit" difficult for most of us, so, maybe should it be closed and maybe the moderators should/could see if there's really anything wrong or not...
If Michael is really dead, so... there would be like some no respect for him and his family to ask many questions and having doubts about his death... but eh... we're missing many informations.
However, if not... that would be a very very very bad story...
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I agree Sly, maybe it is time to allow this thread to fade away.
I don't think we will ever know for sure what the truth of it is, maybe its best just to remember the MLM that posted here, real or not, he was a valued contributor and is missed in his absence for whatever reason.
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Agreed Ronan please close thread
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I have a suggestion. Instead of closing this thread like it is why don't we split this thread off to a new one. What is happening is a natural part of grief. The second stage is denial. There are issues here with his death and for each man to vent and discuss is healthy. But if you want to leave a proper tribute to Michael at this time split this thread and delete the denial from this one and let the men work through this. Once the most recent threads have been removed lock this thread.
Shaun
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For those that do not know the way and laws of the US.
When there is a shooting and you go to the hospital BY LAW the Hospital has to report it to the police. A Police report is then filed.
The Hospital has the name in Admittance. They will not give much information out but they will say if the person had been admitted.
Xraying for bullet fragment. They know before surgery if the bullet has fractured into pieces. (I use to build Xray machines, I know what they can do)
Anesthesiologist that administers anesthesia has other medications on hand in case there are reactions to it.
If there is a death? There is a report a death certificate made by a M.E. licensed by the State. (ME: Medical Examiner) who puts in the report cause of death. P.S. A person is not declared dead until the M.E. says so.
"Bounty Hunter" in that state are not licensed but have to be registered.
Anyone that has been jailed can not carry or be near any guns. (Joe/Rabbit)
THIS IS THE LAW AND CAN NOT BE CHANGED FOR OR BY ANYBODY.
This is not a multi million dollar business... no way! A desk, phone/computer and a file cabinet is all there is. Most of them live in their cars.
Tracking: No report filed by police on a shooting of this kind. Name is not admitted to any hospital with this type or any injury. Calls made showed a real Bounty Hunter never heard of him? No death certificate issued with that name (and age group).
The non sense things: They don't drug up a woman that is having a child. Why would the woman that shot at him shoot only him? and miss Joe and the boyfriend? Good shooting in the dark. No arrest report of such a woman. A bullet doesn't split unless it hit something hard like bone. (A 22 does break apart, but they would have seen this). Why is the wife leaving the US? with 1.6 mil? He didn't bring her here. And another note, She ain't leaving the country with that amount of money. It's against the law, as some of you know how much you can carry into China. Nothing said of selling the house and other assets?
A HOAX? Not a good one. Making people that cared and putting them through this? I don't know what is going on. All I now is it's not funny and heartbreaking that someone would make this thing up. But I can say whatever the outcome, ALL of you can be proud, for you showed you are all good caring guys. It's an honor to have all of you here.
Lets say a Amen and move on.
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What Vince is telling you guys is true.Some of the mods have ben following the story.We have ben checking the newspapers for the obituararies.And the news of the shooting.No record was found.The hospitals that were mentioned by Joe/rabbit.Were called.The hospital had no record of anybody by that name being addmitted.
I even went back and looked for a marraige record for Zhou and Michael Maines no record was found..So I think you can all draw your own conclusions.
Sly The family member that you mentioned the girl Tiffany Maines.Is his daughter.SHe wrote a short note to Michael Maines.That said hi dad.His profile was closed on facebook.The day that he was supposed of died.
So there it is.That is what we know.
Maxx
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What i don't get is the why?
I mean , why the need for the deception, he was a good poster here, he made many friends, he seemed like a genuine good guy, why the need for the hoax?
Maybe he doesn't even have a Chinese girlfriend/wife and the deception weighed on his consciousness at the end and he decided to get out.
Its weird, i don't understand it at all, whatever about if his story was true or not, this forum lost a good poster that many of us liked and respected and I miss him for that.
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...here are some more facts
about 30 minutes before the last post from "Joe" I called and spoke with "Patient Information" at the University of Pennsylvania Hospital (there's only one) I was hoping to provide an update on his condition to his "Online Brothers" here. I was unable to get any information about a "Michael L. Maines" I spelled the name for her and nothing, I told her that he might have been transfered to the VA possibly. She said "sorry they didn't show anything on "Michael L. M-a-i-n-e-s" she spelled it back and gave me the Veterans Administration Hospital's number....I called them 5 minutes after and they had no knowledge of him.
When people pass in hospitals a public record is established, there is none that I can locate...Short of going to the county records office.
Grieving widows don't rush to delete Facebook accounts, likely an online Persona that got out of hand and was too much to maintain.
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Grieving widows don't rush to delete Facebook accounts, likely an online Persona that got out of hand and was too much to maintain.
Yes, this was another thing that didn't make sense. Only the account holder can delete the profile. But yet this drugged up with sleeping drugs had the thought of going online to delete a "Facebook profile"?? I know this wouldn't be my first thoughts after a situation.
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I hate to jump into this either way its a loss the way I am looking at it.A couple flags went up for me as well.I dont know of any bounty hunting agency or bounty hunter selling their buisness for 1.6 million dollars that quick.I also only live 8 hours from phily and i couldnt find any obituaries on him or any shootings except a couple about 3 days after his death.Some things dont add up?Either way its sad to lose somebody that had such a good insight and friend skills as MLM.I am sorry if I insulted anyone with this its just what I saw and think.
Ron
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Well , all I can say now ... is many of us here have been PLAY'd by the Agencies or the Translator's or the Lady's themselves . This time , I think we ALL got PLAY'd by a Man ... that we have thought was a great Friend , but never exsisted as such . It still hurt's and will for a long time .
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Man can maybe try to see other things that give non sense to that thread...
Ok, MLM came lot of time here and posted many articles, links, comments and so on...
First, when man connects, so... he got a login/pw...
How can anybody who knows him or who lives with him using his account to connect here???
Except via "automatic mode", man can't...
So, supposing his computer memorized the login/pw to connect here, maybe was it the same about FB?
But that just would be strange.... because I also sent a message to his daughter the 07th October...
If I wouldn't have sent any message, maybe would his profile still being active?
Many possibilities, many askings, many asnwers....
Welcome to the paranoïa?
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Let me say there is still a possibility that Michael L Maines has had ended badly, so this is all conjecture. My apologies if it turns out that he really was shot.
However let me say that identity is a strange thing.
In Australia it was recently found that the president of the national ex-prisoner of war association (Max Crane) was a complete liar and fraud:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/pow-chief-a-prisoner-of-his-own-lies-20091002-ggid.html
These things happen.
They can only happen because we trust and care about each other.
When I read the posts here, like Maxx's stories about his married life, I love these . . . I read them, trusting what he has written completely. I could mistrust what is written. But then I would become sour inside.
I think it is important that we continue to act properly and honestly and openly with each other, despite everything that has happened.
There are a lot of people here in the forum, and a lot of people have been helped by it.
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wow
all I can think to say is...wow.
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Guys,
This discussion is good. I hope the mods don't close it quite yet. Grief about a friends death and then to find out it is all a lie and much deception causes much more grief. Imagine a spouse whose mate dies and then the spouse finds out about a secret life they never knew about. It is devastating to the person left behind. This is on the same order or level. In my training with grief counseling one of the major things we do is get people talking about the issue. Believe it or not this helps to move beyond the hurt of the death and the deception.
Mods please keep this open for a while, it is healthy.
Shaun
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I think that with all that's gone on over this last week on the MLM story. It brings to mind, that all we have that binds us together as a Forum, is a level of trust between us all.
That trust has been broken in this instance, and by a long time member. But in no-way should we let the overall trust as a whole on the Forum, be broken by this incident.
Let's hope, if there are any others like MLM here on the Forum, that when they decide to leave, they go quietly!!!
David.....
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I think that with all that's gone on over this last week on the MLM story. It brings to mind, that all we have that binds us together as a Forum, is a level of trust between us all.
That trust has been broken in this instance, and by a long time member. But in no-way should we let the overall trust as a whole on the Forum, be broken by this incident.
Let's hope, if there are any others like MLM here on the Forum, that when they decide to leave, they go quietly!!!
David.....
I agree.
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Well say'd David . Your obsolutly right , what holds this Forum together besides friendship for one another .
Shaun is right about leaving it open , as this is a place now to vent the Hurt this has caused .
I myself have deleted all my post's here that connected me with Mike , because he has Hurt me in a way ... I have never even imagined someone could be able to . But it happened , so now we go on as this is of no help to anybody needing advice about their Lady friend .
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Well say'd David . Your obsolutly right , what holds this Forum together besides friendship for one another .
But it happened , so now we go on as this is of no help to anybody needing advice about their Lady friend .
I think this has given us all a very valuable lesson. When you are corresponding with your lady, you can not fall in "love" with the picture and the written word. You need the face to face meeting and time to establish true friendship. I will take this as my lesson from this and let all the other stuff fall to the wayside.
buzz