China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Useful Links And Articles => Topic started by: Josh Markley on June 24, 2010, 03:03:31 pm
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I thought this was a interesting article.
Will Female Shortage In China Bring Down North Korean Regime?
Chinese men are buying North Korean women as wives.
But it's easy for Chinese, including smugglers and human traffickers, to cross illegally into North Korea, they say, and this props up a thriving black-market border trade that helps keep the barren North Korean economy afloat.
Dandong natives such as laid-off factory worker Lao Zhou, whose picturesque home town draws tourists eager to spy on North Korea with telescopes, shake their heads when they talk about refugees.
"North Korean women make good wives. They are beautiful and hard-working," he said, echoing an oft-repeated view. "It doesn't cost much to buy a North Korean girl for a wife and just a few thousand kwai (hundreds of dollars) to get them a residency permit."
There is also a slave trade in prostitutes. The demand for prostitutes will likely rise right along with the demand for wives.
Consider the larger context for this report about wife buying and female sex trade. On my FuturePundit blog I've reported on the sex ratio imbalance in China caused by the selective abortion of females.
Li said the normal newborn sex proportion is 100:104-107, and if China's disproportionate figure is allowed to continue unchecked, there would be 30 to 40 million marriage-age men who would be single all their lives by 2020.
"Such serious gender disproportion poses a major threat to the healthy, harmonious and sustainable growth of the nation's population and would trigger such crimes and social problems as mercenary marriage, abduction of women and prostitution," Li said.
Some believe this sex ratio imbalance will make China militarily aggressive and they may be right.
In a new book, Bare Branches: Security Implications of Asia's Surplus Male Population (MIT Press), Valerie M. Hudson and Andrea M. den Boer warn that the spread of sex selection is giving rise to a generation of restless young men who will not find mates. History, biology, and sociology all suggest that these "surplus males" will generate high levels of crime and social disorder, the authors say. Even worse, they continue, is the possibility that the governments of India and China will build up huge armies in order to provide a safety valve for the young men's aggressive energies.
But consider a different possibility: Chinese men may buy so many North Korean wives that North Korea will either become militarily aggressive or collapse from within. This is not implausible. Those 30 to 40 million single men in China in the year 2020 mean there wil be 3 to 4 times more single men in China than there are women in North Korea. The Chinese will be more affluent than the North Koreans unless radical changes happen to North Korea's economy. North Korea is the place where Chinese men will have the best competitive advantage in angling for wives. The other East Asian countries are not nearly as poor as North Korea and North Korea shares a long 1,416 km land border with China.
China's economy is growing rapidly. Buying power of Chinese men is rising. Even poor Chinese farmers can afford to buy North Korean women.
Lee, the former clerk, said she was fooled into believing she would have a good life in China. "One day, a man from my home town came to see me. He was looking for good-looking women from North Korea to go to China. The prettier the better. I decided on the spot to go.
"Of course, he fooled me. He said he would introduce me to a good man, a university graduate, who was looking for a wife. Then I realized North Korean women were being sold at a cheap price to rural farmers in China."
The fact that even a rural farmer in China can afford to buy a North Korean wife means that there are far more people in China with the buying power to acquire a North Korean wife than there are North Korean women.
Expect the hostility of North Korean men toward China to increase.
Ryu remembers a woman six months pregnant arriving at the camp. The baby's father was Chinese. Four guards grabbed the woman's limbs and threw her toward the ceiling over and over until the woman aborted the fetus. Ryu helped clean up the blood afterwards. "The guards said they hated Chinese babies," says Ryu. "The North Koreans hate the Chinese now, because they are rich and betrayed socialism."
China has been cracking down on North Koreans trying to cross the border into China. But official corruption in China is sufficiently widespread that black market forces will probably prevail over official policy as a consequence of the rising buying power of single men desperate for wives.
Ms Kim was picked up a year after getting married and giving birth to a daughter. Her new family pleaded for her release, arguing that the baby needed her mother because she was still breastfeeding. Ms Kim says they paid a 10,000RMB bribe for her freedom. Three years later she is well established and has a residence permit.
Chinese men will pressure the Chinese government to allow North Korean women to pass into China. The Chinese government will see these women as a source of women to reduce the frustrations of single men who can not find Chinese wives. Chinese leaders are going to have to weigh the foreign policy and domestic policy consequences of their border policy with North Korea. If they continue to clamp down this may just encourage more corruption.
Chinese money is also going to flow to North Korean border guards and officials and corrupt them as well. This is already happening. So the North Korean guards are not all immune to the enticements of cash in exchange for looking the other way. As living standards rise in China and the female shortage worsens the amount of money available for smuggling women out of North Korea will rise.
The shortage of women in China may end up posing an existential threat to the Pyongyang regime more powerful than anything US policy makers are likely to do. North Korean leaders might react to this threat by engaging in market liberalization reforms aimed at raising North Korean living standards enough to reduce the level of desperation of North Korean women.
The regime in North Korea faces a more general economic threat from China because of rising wages in China. The higher the wages go the greater the incentive for Northeast China factory managers and other businesses to turn to the black market to supply cheap North Korean labor. This will pull both men and women out of North Korea. Will that destabilize the regime more or less than the selective removal of women from North Korea?
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Can you link the actual article please?
Interesting stuff.
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http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002121.html (http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002121.html)
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Thanks. I like reading the comments to articles like these.
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National Geographic also did an article on this just recently too. I will post the issue date when I find it. It was more the struggle of people to escape from the north and seek assylum in the south. They had to go through china to get there though.
Dave C
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the article was written in 2004 and it would be interesting to read an update on this if there is one
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There's one problem though:
even if we export all the woman in North Korean (and Vietnam) to China, it still won't been enough...
I sense reverse Polgynomy in China's future..
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The one child policy is a total ticking time bomb. I cannot see it ending well for the Chinese economy, we are already seeing the early signs with striking workers in Foxxcon and Toyota. It will be interesting to see how the government deals with it. I suspect we will have a total reversal of the one child policy, however as seen in the west once people start having smaller and smaller families its a trend that doesn't reverse easily. The gender imbalance is not a good thing, all those single males makes for one unhappy group.
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Crime, War, etc. is the solution.
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Here is a link that has an archive of related articles. http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/NorthKorea.htm (http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/NorthKorea.htm)
As horrible as it sounds war could be a possibility. But the article was writen six years ago. So do not see it happening. But if you look at it in the goverments point of view.
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they seem to be looking in vietnam now for brides as a recent article i read and i also think it
was a post here at one time
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http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/none/vietnamese-brides-sale-and-chinese-men-are-buying-889067 (http://www.cnngo.com/shanghai/none/vietnamese-brides-sale-and-chinese-men-are-buying-889067)
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i have read many articles on this and my question is this. are any of these men who are considering
marrying any of these women who put a car and a house and a great financial job as a requirement
to marry asking the question--- What are you bringing to the table??? it seems that quite a few of the
younger ones have some double standards as far as wanting to adopt many western and modern
principals and not following the traditional aspects unless it is and will benefit them. just an observation
made in reading these articles.
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Obvious answer Ted - kids, and of course status and bedtime fun.
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Ronan,
i think you miss understood my post. the self centered selfish women who wont marry you unless you have bought a
car and own a house? what are they bringing to the table?
bedtime fun can be had anywere, status is just for them they now have a house with no effort on their part.
and kids can be had with a lady who isnt so self centered and selfish along with a better relationship instead
of "what can you do for me today attitude" that some of them demand
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To get this thread back on track I was just thinking. The real question is how do we smuggle these women into our own country since it takes so long to do it the legitimate way. I hope y'all don't thinks this next comment is racist especially concerning the greatestt one. Illegal immigrants come up from the south all the time into the US and are granted amnesty every now and then.
If people can smuggle into China successfully then...
I know, I know it isn't worth the risk.
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No Shaun it isn't worth the risk.But this is how it is done.You put your lady on a ocean going vessel in Beijing.That is going to Seattle,Los Angeles,Or San Fransisco.When the boat is outside of Chinese waters.Have your lady throw away all her identification.When the ship ports in the states.And they open the shipping container.Have your lady run.If said lady is caught don't worry about it.The U.S. Government will take care of her for thirty days.While they try to ship her back to China.China doesn't want her.Since they can't get China to take her back.And she has no identification.U.S. immigration will kick her loose.In whatever city she arrived in.
Another alternative is.Fly your lady to Mexico.She doesn't need a visa for Mexico.Pick your lady up at the airport and transport her to the border.Boot her out and make her run across the border.While you go threw border patrol.Pick lady up on the other side of the border.Or take your chances and just put her in the trunk of your car.make sure she has fresh air.And be warned theire is usually another border patrol station fifty miles.Up the road.So your lady will need to ride in the trunk until you clear the second border patrol station.
#3 fly your lady to Cuba..You take your boat and go to any island in the Caribbean.Get your passport stamped.Then leave the island and go to Cuba.Go threw immigration at Cuba get yours and your Ladies passport stamped.Leave Cuba.When you pass the coast guard cutter setting there waiting just smile and wave.When you reach the the U.S mainland park your boat like you always do.Then you and your lady jump off your boat.And go live a happy life.Way to much ocean way to many ports.For the coast guard.Or immigration to cover all the possible areas.Where you could dock your boat.
If you are stopped by the coast guard.Before you stop. So that coast guard can board you.Your lady will need to throw her passport overboard.Like before they will detain the lady for thirty days.You tell the coast guard that.She told you she was a American citizen.Who lost her I.D.After thirty days they will kick her loose.And all you need to do is pick her up.
I do not recommend or endorse any of these options.I'm just answering the question.
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Maxx, I've been to Beijing many times. I'm not sure if that's possible to put your lady on a ocean going vessel. Beijing is pretty landlocked as it is. Shaun probably has a better chance going from Shanghai or Shenzhen.
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Regnisthegreat you are probably right.The story I read.I thought they said the boat started in Beijing.But like you said Beijing is land locked.And I don't think the Yangtze river.Is deep enough.For that big of a cargo vessel.So it probably was Shanghai.I will look again and see if I can find the story again.
About every 6 months.A ship does arrive from China.And when they open up one of the cargo containers.A bunch of people will run out.They only catch about half of them.The rest get away.They Just fade into the city.The ones they do catch.They do kick loose after about 30 days.
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Maxx, I have been through all three border patrol check points leaving El Paso many times. The easiest one is between Sierra Blanca and Van Horn from what I am told. So many people pass through there and I have never been checked there. Sure hope they do not monitor this web-site. hehe.
On a side note I am thinking about getting back into the oil business off shore. Anyone got a really big boat they aren't using? Rocky?
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Maxx,
mmmm you seem to know many avenues of smuggling. what is it that you do for a living lol!!!!!
dont a lot of them come out of the port of hong kong? at least the ones that end up in san francisco
remember reading about that a while back
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Ted yes a few do come out of Hong Kong.Not as many as you would think.When the British control ed Hong Kong.It was fairly simple for residence of Hong Kong to move to whoever they wanted to.So the people who wanted to leave.Have already left.Hong Kong now is like the Mecca of Asia.It is the happening place.Theire is Asian actresses and actores in the states.And in Canada.Who move to Hong Kong.Just so they can launch there carriers.When they get popular in Asia then they will go back to there own countries.And start making movies there.
Ted I've known a few coyotes.When you get them drunk on tequila.They will tell you all there trade secretes.I used to know one who did get caught by immigration.They locked him up for a couple of years.When he got out.He went right back to work.Until they caught him again.Then immigration deported him.By that time he didn't care.he had made a fortune.He retired in Mexico a wealthy man.
As far as how tp get out of China.Me and my wife used to know a Waitress at a Chinese restraint.She told my wife that is how her and her husband left China in 2000.She said they landed in Los Angeles.And when the dock crew op end the container.Because they were beating on the walls.They all ran like hell.Her and her Husband did get away.She said they ran away from the docks.And got to the Asian part of los Angels.And got a job that day working in a restraint.When there English got a little better.They left that restraint.And moved with the owners son and wife to New Mexico.So they could help the son and daughter in law start a new Restaurant.
After the restaurant was running along real good.They went back to Los Angels.I don't have any proof.But I suspect.That there is a huge network.That moves these Asian people across the United States.I have run into Thai waitresses.Working in a Chinese restaurant in Page AZ.And I worked with a bunch of Filipino's in ColoSprings.And a few Vietnamese.Who's immigration status was a little on the murky side.So you never know
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I recently viewed a documentary on Netflix streaming concerning this topic. It was called Seoul Train. There is some great video of an attempt by some north koreans to get into the south korean embassy in china.