China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Useful Links And Articles => Topic started by: lfputman3 on August 21, 2012, 11:40:46 am
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I don't even remember where I found this one yesterday, but I do know, my wife is ok, with me being here until she gets her visa. She has said she doesn't want me living in China permantly and I have seen some of the "influence" from the article.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/mark-kitto-youll-never-be-chinese-leaving-china/ (http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/mark-kitto-youll-never-be-chinese-leaving-china/)
On one hand, people are friendly, but the longer I'm here, the less I here "laowei" and the more I here "explitive weiguoren"
Lloyd
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I think this is the same article discussed a week ago ???
Willy
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Willy, Sorry, I didn't see it last week. I know there was an article posted, but didn't get to read it as the link wouldn't work for me and afterwards. I couldn't find it again.
Lloyd
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When I looked I could not find it again but remembered the photo at the beginning of it.
Willy
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And they talk about us Americans being over-sexed! :o What's your take on this article W.T.L ?
(http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Nursing-Home-Orgy-645.jpg)
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I say so what? Let them have their fun. Not like they will get pregnant and the home has to burden the price. Wait? When was this?Was Willy there?
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I say so what? Let them have their fun. Not like they will get pregnant and the home has to burden the price. Wait? When was this?Was Willy there?
I think that is why Willy went to China in the first place! ;D
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How about Rob, where was "He" on the night of Pleasure? :o
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Come on guys... Stop giving Rob and Willy such a hard time... Oops, I mean difficult time. All of you know they are beyond the age of Viagra now. ;D
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Just saying Willy was in London a few months ago when Rob was readied for the "hospital" or were they over in that home? hmmmmm
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Willy, that was me that posted the link to the article. It is in Shaun's thread "do you like Chinese people".
Make no mistake. Chinese are racists. They smile in your face but have a very sharp tongue behind your back. They are really upset to see a (in Cantonese) Guilo with a Chinese girl. Dont let anyone telly you that stare is just curiosity. I have been on the receiving end of that stare and it will burn a hole through unless you stare him down. I also see guys do a double take and check out my wife like she is some sort of slut for betraying her race. I just put myself between him and her and if he is with a lady I will do the same to her only I am much better at making a woman feel like a whore than he could ever be. If we are out for the day this happens at least once every ten minutes. Sometimes it gets the better of me and I am ready to go into battle with anyone just to let off some steam. Fiona has to restrain me to keep me out of trouble.
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Wow. I've never had that happen to me. My wife lives in a very small town, and many of the people know her. She is a bit of a celebrity now. The other day an elderly couple stopped her on the street and asked her when she was moving to Canada. She didn't even know who they are, but everyone knows she's the woman that married the foreigner. She's quite sure I'm the only foreigner that has come to her little town. I doubt that though.
I'll admit that we sometimes get stared at, but most people are polite and stop staring when I smile back, or wave, or nod. Many people want to speak some English to me. Some of her friends have asked to have a picture taken with me. I'm often called Meigoiren, and sometimes I correct them.
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Neil, we have our circle of friends and acquaintances. People we go on outings with and socialize with. They all have had a chance to meet me and know me. They treat me like "their" Meigoiren. I am the group mascot. But Guangzhou is huge with a population of 16 million. Outside of my circle of friends I am shunned and frowned at. And Fiona is treat very disrespectfully. Your lucky to live in a small town. I know that feeling from when I lived in YiYang. But the larger cities are full of racists and bandits. Not fond of foreigners at all. Really down on the Blacks, brown middle eastern and Americans of any color.
And I dont understand it. America saved China's ass in WW2. They were ready to break ranks and run for the mountains ,literally days away from being a conquered nation when the Americans forced Japan into an unconditional surrender. Do we get a thank you. No we get a "fuck you" stay away from our women. There goes my blood pressure again....
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I say so what? Let them have their fun. Not like they will get pregnant and the home has to burden the price. Wait? When was this?Was Willy there?
Can I just say 'Please stop knocking what my Dad does in Private' He was celebrating the 90th Birthday of a younger women in the time honored family way.
He keeps telling me he is not ready to rest in peace or rest his piece yet. So I can only respect that.
Willy
PC Lucky they home confiscated the cameras otherwise you would have pics to go with it.
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Neil, we have our circle of friends and acquaintances. People we go on outings with and socialize with. They all have had a chance to meet me and know me. They treat me like "their" Meigoiren. I am the group mascot. But Guangzhou is huge with a population of 16 million. Outside of my circle of friends I am shunned and frowned at. And Fiona is treat very disrespectfully. Your lucky to live in a small town. I know that feeling from when I lived in YiYang. But the larger cities are full of racists and bandits. Not fond of foreigners at all. Really down on the Blacks, brown middle eastern and Americans of any color.
And I dont understand it. America saved China's ass in WW2. They were ready to break ranks and run for the mountains ,literally days away from being a conquered nation when the Americans forced Japan into an unconditional surrender. Do we get a thank you. No we get a "fuck you" stay away from our women. There goes my blood pressure again....
I am sorry to say that you really are getting into that dark abyss of thinking ' Should I really be here'. I can understand that you really do not want to have been here this long but you are getting more critical of the Chinese as time goes by and I fear that Fiona will not be able to continually contain your moods.
When I criticise Americans I get all that crap about how they saved our country, No saved the world. No just on the forum but in real life face to face. Now you are doing this to China.
Why do you think Americans are unpopular with the older Chinese. It is because America has now solidly assigned itself to Japan. Everything Japanese is good everything Chinese is bad. America will not even give an opinion on the latest island dispute but clearly states that the islands in question are covered by the treaty of 1963, I think, whereby American will assist the Japanese to defend any part of their territory. Trouble is USA did not look forward enough. If they had the foresight to see how financially strong China was going to become it would have been goodbye Japan hello China!
I know they are not curious when the people see me with my wife. They are thinking the same as I thought as a young man growing up in London in the post war Britain.
I was about 12 years old before I saw my first Black person and I was 18 before I was ever in a place to talk with them. The immigration of Black people to the UK did not really start until 1954 when the first immigrants ship, the Windrush arrived from Jamaica. Then we saw racism. No 'decent' woman would ever be seen out with a black guy. They were only here to make money, buy a white girl friend and then go home. (Much the same way we get looked at in China.) Now in some areas of London a white guy walking along with a black women is enough to cause consternation on the street. It goes full circle. Racism we had the worst kind in the UK.
As my Chinese is not as fluent as Gerry's then maybe I do not hear the same things. Maybe I do but do not understand what they say. But I certainly do not interpret a look the way that my mood takes me! I do not need to be loved by the world.
The USA is different they have had a mixed population for as long as the USA has existed in its present form. But I have seen racism in London in its worst forms. Signs on Pubs and hotels say 'No Blacks' just like South Africa in the Apartheid days. I have seen riots in the streets purely on the basis of skin colour, no pretence at some other reason just colour.
Willy
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And I dont understand it. America saved China's ass in WW2. They were ready to break ranks and run for the mountains ,literally days away from being a conquered nation when the Americans forced Japan into an unconditional surrender. Do we get a thank you. No we get a "fuck you" stay away from our women. There goes my blood pressure again....
I like to think I am a bit of a history buff and I have never thought this Gerry. I know the USA helped supply China, but never had a major contribution. Instead this is my take on China's contribution:
from a World War II Database
Although out-gunned and out-maneuvered by Japanese troops, the Chinese were determined and were resilient. Fighting primarily a defensive war, the Chinese made use of the vastness of China Proper to trap more and more Japanese troops in this large theater as occupation troops, preventing them from being used offensively in the China-Burma-India Theater or as garrison troops in the Pacific War.
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In retrospect, I should never brought up the part about the US saving their ass. Now I have diverted the thread and lost track of the point I was trying to make. Chinese are racist.
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In retrospect, I should never brought up the part about the US saving their ass. Now I have diverted the thread and lost track of the point I was trying to make. Chinese are racist.
Gerry the whole world is racist in some way. None more so than the Americans - the country was built on racism and in some parts they still follow the same doctrines.
I am probably a racist because I am against the Israeli method of building a country that never was. Taking large parts of land that never was theirs and corralling the indigenous people into small areas and killing them off whenever possible. I wonder where they got that idea from?
You may call it racism others will call it nationalism.
I do not think that the thread has gone of your point. It still stays the same. It just makes the point that like many others you are pissed off with the wait that you thought would have come easier. The delay however is not caused by Chinese Racism it is caused by American Government employees.
Willy
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This forum is not about America. It is a forum about China .Why spend so much time bashing America. America and American women and American racism are really not that interesting when compared to other nations and societies. In fact American history is boring.
We have been around for less than 250 years, yet you imply, we (the USA) are the example and teacher of all things evil to the rest of the world ? How can that be? We are the
youngest society on earth.
It seems that if someone points out a fault or gripe about China you counter with ""Well the Americans do it too"". My 2 year old daughter used to talk like that,,, but she grew out of it.
I am who I am. I have been shaped by my parents, my environment, and my life experiences. I try to be a good person but I am a total failure. I try not to be racist but I probably am learning the behavior by my exposure to the Chinese of my generation here in Guangzhou.
“I don't care if you're black, white, straight, bisexual, gay, lesbian, short, tall, fat, skinny, rich or poor. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. Simple as that.”
― Eminem
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Now Willy If any country was built on racism as you define it.England would be right at the top of the list.Englands whole history is filled with racist aggression.You do make a good point.The world is a racist place.
I think the strangest form of racism I have ever seen.Is in the Latin community.Here in New Mexico.We still have some families that are living on land granted to them by the king of Spain from the 1500.When Spain lost the war with Mexico.Allot of these Spanish land grant dons stayed.And there kids Married other Spanish people.And some Married into Native American tribes.Mostly the Apache Indians and the Pueblo Indians.So those that married into the Native tribes.Had kids who are now Mexicans.The Spanish Mexicans.Cannot get along with the Mexicans from Mexico.Every couple of years they have a go at each other.And are always talking bad about each other.The Spanish Mexicans will even go as far as killing the Mexican from Mexico.Or they will call immigration and try to have them deported even though the Mexican from Mexico.has ben here longer then the Spanish Mexican.
Is there Racist in China like Gerry suggest.Yes they are about as racist as anybody else.I have seen Racism in China.Against blacks,Whites,Other Asians.And other Chinese.I think Racism exists because people do not try to understand.Where the other races are coming from and what they have to deal with.
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Gerry, chill out a little there buddy. As Maxx would say you are over thinking this. I'm sure we've all seen and experienced the racism. All I do when it happens to me is look at my lovely wife, see the happiness in her face and realize that in the final analysis I am the big winner with a wonderful wife.
Who cares what someone who doesn't even know you thinks. It is their loss not yours.
Two days ago a woman where I work was giving me crap about marrying a Chinese woman. I just let her talk. The man sitting next to me asked me if it bothered me that she was talking like that. I told him no and also said that I thank God that I am not married to her or someone like her. He busted out laughing and she asked the man what I said. He wouldn't tell her so she turned on me again. I just laughed. Then she asked me why I would do something as stupid as marry a Chinese woman. My response was, "Every time you open your mouth you give everyone in this room the reason why." End of subject for her.
Gerry don't let them control your attitude, you should be the only person that can control it. I heard a great analogy one time. The man said to be a thermostat not a thermometer. Control your attitude don't let other control it.
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the whole world is racist in some way. None more so than the Americans - the country was built on racism
Willy is right but only because they were Europeans, mostly British.
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Let me clear the air on this one. I know that you Americans can be wound up so easily. 8)
You have continually made disparaging remarks about China. This is becoming a habit not just by you but by others on this site who are waiting to get their wife's back to the USA.
I am putting it down to the pressure of the wait. You don't really want to be here but feel that you have to. That's understandable. So somewhat has got to be punished for it, the man that pushes in front on a subway, gets your umbrella. One that gives you or your wife a strange look gets one back. As Shaun said just chill out man. You are making things worse for yourself in your own mind.
But what if you had to make a decision on whether to live in China or not!
What if when you get your wife to the USA she has the same reaction to that place as you have acquired about China? What if a pressing reason comes up that needs her to spend a long time, maybe years in China. Now that will be pressure and that will need a great deal of controlling.
Willy
I promise no more knocking the USA until after your election. I do not want to influence who does or who does not become the President. 8)
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the whole world is racist in some way. None more so than the Americans - the country was built on racism
Willy is right but only because they were Europeans, mostly British.
Your right Vince. We sent most of our riff riff out there. Those with convictions we sent to Australia. Out of sight out of mind. Botany Bay was the place. The fore runner of Guantanomo Bay. Except you do not need to be convicted to spend many many years at the latter.
Willy
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Fiona took me the mental health clinic for a check and your all right.
This doctor is amazing. After chatting for about 3 minutes he gave me his diagnosis that was right on the money.
My desire to take my wife and go home to the USA is a symptom of simple common Anxiety disorder.
And my belief that the Chinese are rude, racist, people and out to get me is pure imagination. Being swindled, scammed and the fear of being hit in the head with a brick for my cell phone are all delusions and hallucinations. A common symptom of paranoid schizophrenia.
Waiting here in the house all day and being bored out of my skull and my need to get out and do something is typical for people suffering from attention deficit and hyperactivity disorders (ADHD/ADD).
My joy at waking up next to a beautiful ,sexy Chinese woman 17 years my junior coupled with fits of crying when I don’t get my daily massage, rubdown and body wash were explained to me as type 2 manic/depressive disorder.
My need read this forum 3 or four times a day and report on the lifestyle here without making any positive contribution is as simple as the nose on your face. Obsessive compulsive disorder.
All this has been brought on by exposure to a common virus that when infected compels you to seek out and find a life partner of Asian decent. It's common name is yellow fever.
So he told me what I have known all along. I am crazy about Chinese women.
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I don't know Gerry? In today's World.. you seem "Normal" to me! Then again, there is too much wrong with me.. and that leaves me being afraid to even go and see/ask a Doctor.. what I have. :o :)
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I know how you guys feel, I too suffered from an Asian virus, which usually presented symptoms within a few days after returning to the states! I believe the clinical name for the virus I had was " Lakanookie " also referred to as Yellow fever. ;) 8)
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Woooooo !!!...
This is all geting a bit overheated guys.....
Just take a bit of advice from an old Aussie....and Aussies are the worst riff-raff that England could produce....we originally deported all the really serious criminals to Australia to get them out of "good" society in England...you know the one's, the starving people who stole a loaf of bread, the desperate women who sold their bodies so they could eat, etc etc etc.
Such a mix has lead the Aussies to a different view of the racism issue.
Ask any Aussie and they will tell you calmly...
"I am NOT a racist...I just hate the bastards"
QED
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DavidE,
"...the starving people who stole a loaf of bread, the desperate women who sold their bodies so they could eat, etc etc etc."
Australia got the convicts & whores. America got the Pilgrims.
After a couple centuries, it is obvious Australia has more fun.
You win!
Willy,
But what if you had to make a decision on whether to live in China or not!
What if when you get your wife to the USA she has the same reaction to that place as you have acquired about China? What if a pressing reason comes up that needs her to spend a long time, maybe years in China. Now that will be pressure and that will need a great deal of controlling.
If you buckle under, I lose respect. Maybe you the China beacon, still lit but wavering.
In all probability Jing & I will be living in China sometime whenever. I cannot see the big tado in living in the West. Kind of sedate. Kind of gentrified. Certainly slow in comparison to China. I figure why not the change.
Besides, politically speaking that is, when republicans win elections there is always the correlation of an influx of out- flow migrants, as in ex- pats. Better be prepared!
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Hello guys,
Very interesting conversation! I'm American and always was treated by Chinese very good. My wife comes from a big city and I never had this problem. Walking alone or with my wife all people were very respectful. I did spend several months there and never felt this.
Last weekend I took my wife to a Hunan cuisine restaurant in Alhambra and my wife loved it but California is not China. My wife and I will eventually move to Hunan and live there. I prefer it over America. I find it unfortunate that you don't feel the same. Instead of taking things so personal perhaps try being more personable!
Good luck, Mei
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An old Aussie??? I thought when transportation was still going on you were still British!!!! ;D As you say - 'WE' originally deported.......
Remember their lives were saved in many cases. Deportation or be hanged was the choice - not their choice though! Many were given the wrong choice and ended up in hell prematurely. (I thinks that's what they called Australia then! ;D ;D
Willy
.we originally deported all the really serious criminals to Australia to get them out of "good" society in England...you know the one's, the starving people who stole a loaf of bread, the desperate women who sold their bodies so they could eat, etc etc etc.
Such a mix has lead the Aussies to a different view of the racism issue.
Ask any Aussie and they will tell you calmly...
"I am NOT a racist...I just hate the bastards"
QED
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Most of us who are married have wife's that are younger than us and even look younger then their own age. So in the west when we walk out together people are looking at us and thinking 'bought wife'. Do not kid yourself. They are saying the same in any other western country not just the UK. (I said the same even before I got to think of China.) Not everyone, but often enough to make ones hackles rise.
Unfortunately some men just like the idea of toting a lovely looking young women on their arm. 'look everyone I can still pull young ones' but it is the phrase bought wife that comes to the mind of the viewer. OK in the area where you live people get used to seeing you both. But go further afield and you will get the stares the same as you got in China.
My Chinese is not so hot so people may be saying 'look another old foreigner taking the cream of our women' I do not know enough Chinese so I do not care. I am not a mind reader I do not have some hidden power to decipher the meaning of what they are thinking. I will be completely deaf by the time I know enough Chinese to understand what they say. So I am happy to listen to what they say without understanding. A smile from me is all they get.
People ask why I speak out for China all the time. Well China is my home now. Most of you on this forum were either immigrants or children of recent immigrants to new countries and your loyalty lies with your new country. The same as me. I chose China - China did not choose me.
Willy
Willy,
If you buckle under, I lose respect. Maybe you the China beacon, still lit but wavering.
In all probability Jing & I will be living in China sometime whenever. I cannot see the big tado in living in the West. Kind of sedate. Kind of gentrified. Certainly slow in comparison to China. I figure why not the change.
Besides, politically speaking that is, when republicans win elections there is always the correlation of an influx of out- flow migrants, as in ex- pats. Better be prepared!
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People ask why I speak out for China all the time. Well China is my home now. Most of you on this forum were either immigrants or children of recent immigrants to new countries and your loyalty lies with your new country. The same as me. I chose China - China did not choose me.
Willy
See above Willy.....maybe looooong time ago I was 100% Pom...but after nearly 50 years I am now 90% Aussie....
Note:..Never can I be 100% Aussie, but my kids are ;D ;D ;D
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See above Willy.....maybe looooong time ago I was 100% Pom...but after nearly 50 years I am now 90% Aussie....
Note:..Never can I be 100% Aussie, but my kids are ;D ;D ;D
Good on yer Mate, swanning down to Oz when you were a nipper Pom.;D ;D
Willy
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I have to point out, the original article that was posted her, by me, was written by a brit, no a yank. As someone who's family tree includes a good number of ethnicities beyond my native blood, which is the dominant ethnography of our family blood, but my children will need to be comfortable with being, as I was taught, a "breed". That is a half-blood, neither one or the other. The way I was taught to deal with racism, I am not a racist, I hate everybody.
However, racism in America, which is ever present, in it's most vicious forms, trace back to four groups and their profound "Colonial" presence in the west. I say four, b/c the Spanish, really, honestly didn't care. As long as you accepted the church anyway. The Portuguese and Dutch (primary European traffickers of humans), if you look in Brazil, a former Portuguese colony, (I have Brazilian friends), you will note, the ghettos are dominated by natives and blacks. The Dutch, also known in some parts of the world as "the Boers". Very much did not care for dark skin, or non-Christians. The French, I'm just say look at Louisiana, Haiti and a few other well known places. Haiti is the best example, they did not allow proper education to the lower class, they also did not permit mixed marriages at all. England, introduced scalping, attempted to "breed" out the Scottish, a trait which was passed to the US when it came to the Native American assimilation program.
It is true, racism is everywhere. Here in China, it is bred by the party. I understand the hatred of Japan. Most intelligent Chinese that I meet, know the US backs Japan for political reasons. As a military veteran, I should point out for Willy, the US military has no desire to engage in warfare with China, especially in areas where China has the advantage. It's a simple matter of knowing the party has lost the ability to make decisions to benefit the people and that it is going to lead China to a very place. Sadly, most of the world doesn't realize this.
In our city here, Handan. My wife's mother is from a Shandong family, her father is from a Liaoning family. Anyone who knows a little about Chinese history, in particular, the no longer discussed Cultural "Revolution" and the fact that families were relocated by the government. So she is not "Handanren". She is Dongbeiren. We associate with mostly other Dongbei, the Handanren we know, don't care, much, that she married a laowei. If someone is looking for an argument, my wife simply interrupts the discussion, and informs them that I don't understand. She further takes any questions they have and asks me in English, so no offense is taken. At least for me, she knows that I come from an actual "filial" family. Very much evidenced when a "smart, young man" decided to invoke a popular Chinese insult, toward my grandfather. 'We' have not seen him since and most of her friends shunned him, for being 'so smart'.
In the military, I remember being in Korea, dating a Korean and when the subject of marriage came up, she politely told me, she would be happy to be my wife, but we could never have children, b/c they would not be "pure". Therefore, they would be 'abominations'. I also think of my older sister, my father adopted her in Vietnam, found her in the ruins of a razed village while on a convoy mission, the only way they would give her medical care, was if she was someone's family. Her mother finally appeared in Saigon, shortly before dad was to return to the States. She tried convincing dad to marry her, problem, dad was already married. My mom was disappointed she wouldn't have a daughter. However, my sister had an American name, so shortly after, she and her mother were permitted to immigrate to the US. She's now a Doctor, sends dad a father's day card and every couple years a birthday card as well.
I know in parts of South America, if you have blue eyes, someone will try to kill you, because you are the devil. In Africa, you are a white, you are an imperialist seeking to exploit them. In Asia, enough said.
Racism is rampant in all countries, I don't remember hearing any of my friends, or reading anything that said they were lynching blacks in the streets in London. Maybe they did, who knows, but I know in the county where I grew up. They had pictures on the front page of the paper, when a black man was lynched. Many of the 'old timers' are still happy to talk about when the last of the "injuns" got removed from the county. As well, I know where the Klan is still the local authority in my home state. I don't need to go to Kentucky or Georgia.
Am I worried that my wife may have trouble adapting to life in America? Yes, even though there is an Asian population in Lansing, even though we can run over to Chicago, or into Canada, if she gets homesick. Granted, being Dongbei, in Handan, she openly told me, she does not consider Handan, "home". Even though she studied music at the conservatory in Beijing, she is a "second fiddle" in Handan. She is terrified of blacks. We went and played pool one night with friends and there were three African students in the pool hall. Also, at our favorite 'hot-spring' park, she freaked when she saw their 'theme dancers', the men were all extremely dark for Asians. However, they were Asian/Pacific Islander. I can not from where, because I've never seen an "Asian" that dark skinned.
Would I live in China? If I thought we could have a fair shake, with my being a laowei, yes. However, despite the families acceptance of me and my willingness to relocate, they have all (both grandmas, all the aunts and uncles along with cousins) said we should live in America. As one of the uncles is on the city committee, I take that to heart.
Willy, I want you to understand, I love China. However, China is going to have to change, before all hell breaks lose, both at home and regionally in Asia. Yes, the PLA is large enough to wipe everyone but India off the map. That doesn't mean that the continent wouldn't be totally destroyed. You can say all the wicked little pokes you want about America, I don't care.
JohnB, I was screwed by the unions, after my family helped to build them. A 'liberal bias' is not an 'informed opinion', it is a leftist lean. I sit the fence politically speaking. I would happily see both parties lose, so the US can get back to being the US, not a media circus. However, I should inform you, I know plenty of people who have been on both sides of the fence that are 'ex-pats' and should your buddy (going by your opinion) win again in November, I'm considering taking a long extended teaching vacation. I would rather deal with a corrupt communist who admits to what they are. Then live with some lying bastard who would happily shaft my fellow veteran, and piss on the constitution. Until he has destroyed what the founders tried to create.
I know we say to keep politics out, so please, keep politics out. Before studying accounting, I studied Political Theory and Constitutional Democracy. I know the theories, I also know the "Democrats" have rewritten the definition of "Liberal" to something that the founders would not agree with. An educated person knows that when the US was born, when the Constitution was written, by Madison, Jay and Hamilton, the definition of Liberal ideology was "The rights and freedoms of the individual, as protected by the government". Why, because they were smart enough to know, there is no such thing as "social-equality" without screwing over everyone but those at the top. Just look at the system in China. If that's not enough, go to South Korea and ask a defector from the North, what happens if you don't "worship" the Kim family and their "government".
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Hey willy. Have you heard the sirens this morning.
They have been blaring a few times in the last half hour. In the USA those sirens are reserved for imminent danger like a tornado or nuclear attack. This is the first time I have heard them here.
Cant find anything on the news either.
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Hey willy. Have you heard the sirens this morning.
They have been blaring a few times in the last half hour. In the USA those sirens are reserved for imminent danger like a tornado or nuclear attack. This is the first time I have heard them here.
Cant find anything on the news either.
I have heard nothing like that. Only thing is last two days I heard the unusual sound of a helicopter flying over. Have heard nothing on the news either.
Willy
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Hey willy. Have you heard the sirens this morning.
They have been blaring a few times in the last half hour. In the USA those sirens are reserved for imminent danger like a tornado or nuclear attack. This is the first time I have heard them here.
Cant find anything on the news either.
I have heard nothing like that. Only thing is last two days I heard the unusual sound of a helicopter flying over. Have heard nothing on the news either.
Willy
Then on reflection could it be it is because I am leaving China for two weeks in just over a weeks time. :'(
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Most likely law enforcement trying to keep a lid on the protesters. Seems like they Chinese students are not crazy about Japan purchasing the disputed islands. I posted an article from Foxnews, but it may be blocked in China. They have ransacked some Japanese owned businesses and stores. Protests have been held from Shanghai to Qingdao.
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All quiet this morning. I never did find out what it was all about. The sirens went off three times yesterday and stopped. hmmm. maybe it was just a test.
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Ok, here is what I got from the friend of a friend who is a policeman. It was a test for the alert system They are afraid that the Japanese are going to try something. Like an air raid . hahahahahaha
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JohnB, I was screwed by the unions, after my family helped to build them. A 'liberal bias' is not an 'informed opinion', it is a leftist lean. I sit the fence politically speaking. I would happily see both parties lose, so the US can get back to being the US, not a media circus. However, I should inform you, I know plenty of people who have been on both sides of the fence that are 'ex-pats' and should your buddy (going by your opinion) win again in November, I'm considering taking a long extended teaching vacation. I would rather deal with a corrupt communist who admits to what they are. Then live with some lying bastard who would happily shaft my fellow veteran, and piss on the constitution. Until he has destroyed what the founders tried to create.
I know we say to keep politics out, so please, keep politics out. Before studying accounting, I studied Political Theory and Constitutional Democracy. I know the theories, I also know the "Democrats" have rewritten the definition of "Liberal" to something that the founders would not agree with. An educated person knows that when the US was born, when the Constitution was written, by Madison, Jay and Hamilton, the definition of Liberal ideology was "The rights and freedoms of the individual, as protected by the government". Why, because they were smart enough to know, there is no such thing as "social-equality" without screwing over everyone but those at the top. Just look at the system in China. If that's not enough, go to South Korea and ask a defector from the North, what happens if you don't "worship" the Kim family and their "government".
Lloyd,
with all due respect....
I am a bit older, maybe more politically seasoned. After all, I am a product of the S. side of Chicago. I am retired from Boeing in Seattle. Now I reside in Coeur d Alene, Idaho. Nice place to live. Very scenic. But....
Northern Idaho is a magnet for militant religions...just witness the wack job followers of Rev Butler in Hayden, Idaho. Idaho is cool but lets face it, Idaho is like 89% white according to Wikipedia. People do not just come to Idaho to be in Idaho. They come because they flee from somewhere less kind. So, that is the nature of the Idaho beast. Yes, Idaho is a so- called “Red” state. Idaho is also a so- called “right- to- work” state, but that is an oxymoron, classical as it is. Idaho is politically, republican. The pay scale sucks as in poverty wages. The Idaho middle class is stessed.
Now, my Chinese wife is here. So far, so good. I do not tolerate any crap from anyone, because I am committed to my wife. There is no point in educating the ignorant. Who ever I put my penis in, as in MY wife, is MY business. I have no tolerance for the intolerant. MY life is my business.
That being said, as I said, I am political from long ago. If Idaho is an example of what is to be in the future (America), all things concerned, as in politics & religion, then screw it. I am out of here.
I will not live under the knuckle of bullshit extremism...the fundamentalist churches, the authors of the fuc8king idiot 'patriot act'. I do not kowtow to anyone, anywhere in America. My father was republican but he always realized the importance of unions as he was a tool & dye maker from his get- go; also, by the way, he was always in management. He did not forget the importance of unions in the making of the American middle class.
And, the republicans & gwb did not protect their constituents from the scum bag bankers. Where were these bastards hiding? All honorable Americans! What a joke. Maybe the Right Wing Repubs are the new American Taliban.
A lot of people here take Willy to task, but as odd as it may seem Willy is the “freest of the free”! He is enjoying his life the way he chooses to. If anything, Willy should be the poster boy on this forum. He has earned it. I hope some of you are pissed. Probably a few are. If you think the U.S. is free, you are disillusioned. It has become a borderline police state/ the only thing protecting Americans is the Constitution & that is always under threat by those we elect, as in republicans. If you think the forfeiture of basic rights guarantee be pre- empted by the paper promise of security, as is the 'patriot act', you are disillusioned. I am disillusioned in you. F8ck congress for f8cking their constituents. We voted for these clowns?
Oh, by the way, I am a VietNam vet, flying around in “Loaches” in '67 & '68 in TayNinh province. My 2 years with Uncle Sam was intense to say the least. I do not wear my service on my sleeve (usually) and I do not question the loyalties from any veteran, especially VietNam vets.
I have more respect for HoChiMinh (& he tried his best to kill me) then I do with a lot of wishy washy politicians..mainly republican.
So, by all means if Obama wins, you stay in China. If your guy wins, come home. I go to China, most happily so.
When the idiot gwb won, the ex- pat movement became the all time high. I venture to say, if Romney & his clown prince v.p nominee win, that 2013 will become a new record.
FYI- our fore fathers were radicals. ALL. They embarked on a bold political model unseen anywhere, at anytime before. Anyone can pick & choose so&so individual, one day history lesson, what political philosophies they enjoyed, but putting the b.s. aside, ALL THE FOUNDING FATHERS were ALL radicals.
Bill Clinton was absolute (as in resolute) truth in his speech in the democrats convention. I just wish his fellow democrats had their sh8t together & realize the importance of NOW.
I do think republicans are pissed because Obama is black. Obama does not piss on the Constitution. That is a dumb statement to say. Obama does not shaft the “veteran”. The guy was dealt a sh8tty hand by his incompetent predecessor. Now, that is a certainty if there was ever one.
Kind of odd...maybe my words read harsh. My apologies. The thing is, we on this forum are all not that much different.
We married a China gal. We all have it in our minds to do the best we can. Continue our success.
Maybe weird, but I do not understand some of the China bashing that goes on here. We marry, most happily the China woman, but "oh sh8t..what a crappy place to stay". I suggest reading a bit of Jim Kunstler, the protagonist of the CLUSTERFUCK NATION. http://kunstler.com/blog/ Maybe most Americans are just a pack of lemmings after all.
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Most likely law enforcement trying to keep a lid on the protesters. Seems like they Chinese students are not crazy about Japan purchasing the disputed islands. I posted an article from Foxnews, but it may be blocked in China. They have ransacked some Japanese owned businesses and stores. Protests have been held from Shanghai to Qingdao.
One thing they do not do here is keep the lid on protests against Japan. That takes the heat off other things. Although the Gov.do not officially condone the protests the fact that they are openly reported on TV means that someone is giving them the nod.
John B.
Your right I have always walked my own path. The path of the free. Free Willy was me until that bloody great sea creature took that accolade.
Now poster boy! - is that with or without clothes?
There are only two things wrong with the USA. The first is they have abandoned Habeus Corpus as they lock people up for years without trial or even being charged with anything. But the second is more important and that is they are no longer government by the English.
As I have promised not to compromise either party in the forthcoming election I make no comment on Obama :-X or romney :'(
Willy
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I've been around a few years and am well seasoned when it comes to politics. I can honestly say that you are both right and both wrong. But what has been displayed on this thread is the condition of our country.
We have become a polarized nation where one side says your wrong, stupid and criminal and the other side says the same thing about the other. What IS stupid is that people allow the politicians and the new media feed the American people crap and we take it hook, line, and sinker.
In reality we need to boot out all of the politicians and fire the news media and start over. But that will never happen. Instead we run around screaming at the top of out lungs the sky is falling and everyone else are idiots and the beat goes on. We lose more freedom... We sell our country to other nations... We stick our heads in the sand!!!
It is high time we start over and do it right this time and no Willy we don't allow the Britts to take control. They've got their own problems to take care of.
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Boy this ought to get you thinking!!!!!
This was sent to me today.
General Motors is becoming China Motors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo#ws)
And no I am not anti China or Chinese people.
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Not getting political but using a sporting analogy.
After yesterdays gaff by one candidate It looks like he has given an own goal to the other side.
Willy
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I'm SHOCKED! GM doing business in another country? whoever put the video together may be trying to gain some ground on maybe the US Government don't know what they're doing but anyone with any knowledge in any related field knows GM, Ford, and Chrysler all have plants in other countries and have for many decades. Most auto parts are made in Mexico and most vehicles are assembled in Canada (trucks mostly).
ALL Japanese cars and also Kia (S. Korean) cars are assembled here in the US (the ones sold here) to get around the import tax the US government (Clinton) put on them in the 90's.
So who's kidding who? Besides both Chrysler and GM have paid back the bailout amount. Whether right or wrong it worked, it helped and it's done and over with.
Just media BS
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Vince has got it right.Your American made car.Has parts in it from all over the world.And yes Gmc trucks,Along with Dodge.And Ford.Are all assembled in Canada and Mexico.Before the Brits and the Aussies fall out of there chair laughing.Your autos are the same as the Americans.The cars may be assembled in your country.But the parts come from all over the world.
I know a guy who is a photographer for Boeing aircraft.He flies all over the world and takes pictures for Boeing.For the last few years he has flown to China,Japan,England,India,Singapore numberses times.He has ben taking pictures of the new 777.He told me that only the final assembly of the plane was done in the U.S. he said some of the componets were manufactured in China, Japan,India,And yes and no.Some of the componets are made by companies that Boeing owns in other countries..Some of the components are made by companies that Boeing doesn't own.When you are building a car or a airplane.You have got to outsource some of the compnetes to stay competitive.You cant source all your parts in house.
How many of you Americans remember American motor company.AKA AMC They were useing this concept.Before anybody else thought of it.They built the vehicles.But they didn't make the parts.My Jeep J-10 had axles built by Dana,The transmission along with the electrical,was built by ford.The engine was made by Dodge.My buddy had a J-10 his was the same way.It had parts on it from the big 3 GM,Ford,Dodge,Now you would think this would be a problem to get parts.Or to match parts up.It was never a problem for me.If the parts weren't available for my motor.Somebody out there had made a adapter plate.Or manufactured a replacement that would work.My Friend had a built Gm 350.Backed up by a Gm 4 speed.with a Werner transfer case.All going to beefed up Dana 20's axles.That he would twist off about every six months.Because he was always drag racing in it.
Shaun I remember making a post to you awhile back.When this bailout thing was going on.I remember telling you I was confused why would Gm need bailed out.They sell more vehicles then anybody else does in the world.The reason they sell more cars then anybody else does.Is because they manufacture them right there in China.I have seen Buick's from Zhuhai.All the way to Beijing.I know why they took the money.Because the government offered it.If your government is offering free money.Most people would take it.
Since GM is a American company with corporate offices in America.Most of that money that the Chinese are spending on new cars is coming to the states.So I don't see what the big deal is.
Do you guys know how big the N.B.A. is they were hiring people right and left in China a couple of years agoThey were setting people up with huge salaries,nice houses.That came with all the perks.It was the same thing.Most of the money the N.B.A. made went right back to the states.Right into the share holders pockets.Whats the the new buzz word.I think they call It a global economy.
So somebody who didn't know nothing about nothing posted that video and is trying to stur up the unwashed masses.Lets Waite and see what this guy does.when he figures out that the weapons that the U.S military uses.Have parts in them from all over the world.The last I heard the only weapon manufacture that is 100% USA is the Henry firearms company.And I think the only thing they make is lever action rifles.
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Not quite right Maxx. The British still prefer gear levers. I think for some reason Americans call then 'Sticks' Plus the laws in the the UK mean cars have to be made different to confirm to the UK's more rigid traffic laws.
What you see being driving around in the USA would invoke immediate attention from the Traffic cops and immediate prohibitions would be placed on the car.
In Palm Springs they allow Golf buggies to be driven along the road by geriatrics!!
Willy
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My FORD Freestyle, a crossover auto is actually all VOLVO mechanical parts. At the time Ford owned Volvo which was sold to a China business group. Kia was also owned by Ford and sold to Hyundai, Jaguar was also Ford owned and sold off.
GM and Toyota ventured off together years ago. Chrysler and Mercedes-Benz, on & on.
AMC was a combined older auto companies that formed AMC. Jeep was on it's own until Chrysler bought AMC & Jeep (1980's).
This is why I have no problem having my Fuel Less Generator produced in China. (btw in need of investors, need to raise some capital) which will be assembled here in the US.
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I guess I should have commented on why I put the link to the GM deal.
The reason I posted it was because of Lloyd and JohnB's comments. Vince has it right. Free money is free money to make billions on. If you listen to what the man said and this is my point; Obama is no different than Romney. It is all about money and power. They are all crooks their agenda is only how they plan to stealing it. Obama gave money to GM but Romney buddies made billions.
If you think Obama runs this country then you fall into the delusion of masses. People think Biden is Obama's dumb sidekick. Wrong. He is higher up the food chain and keeps Obama on task. The money who put Obama in power run this country.
Romney will not be the person who runs this country, his major contributors will be. The main difference between Obama and Romney is that Romney is higher up the food chain. This isn't a racial comment it is a financial and power one.
Who run this country? Look at the electoral college. Find out who they are. I can tell you this. It isn't Joe the plumber. They are financial moguls. Guess what they do. They elect the president not you. Have you even noticed how a candidate wins the popular vote but not the electoral college vote? Why? Who really runs this country?
So to sum it up. JohnB and Lloyd are correct on some issues and they are not on others.
Now I will stop because the crap I am spreading here is getting to high for even my shoes.
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Shaun, (good to see you still around btw) I've been saying these same things for years. My common explanation is if all the voting (or all the) people vote for one person to be president and electoral don't like him? He won't be president. Hence; why I never voted.
The republicans have a religious right nut case. Not that he's the front runner of a religious group but he is sneaky, sleazy, hypocrite that uses religion for power and making billions off of. His is Ralph Reed of the Christian Coalition who gets presidents in as long as they follow what he tells them to say and do. Any of you, Read up on this guy if you have a hydraulic jack to raise your jaw off the floor.
So yeah, who runs the country?
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Willy you missed the point yet again.Global Economy.Those British cars that you are so proud of.Have got parts in them from all over the world.
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No Maxx I have not missed the point at all. There is not much that is British made that ends up in a British made car. You were saying that the cars in Britain are the same as the ones in the USA. I was saying there is a far higher safety standard in the UK than the USA both inside and outside.
There is no real British Motor Manufacturers left.
Willy
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Who run this country? Look at the electoral college. Find out who they are. I can tell you this. It isn't Joe the plumber. They are financial moguls. Guess what they do. They elect the president not you. Have you even noticed how a candidate wins the popular vote but not the electoral college vote? Why? Who really runs this country?
Well Shaun I guess there is really not much fundamental difference in what happens in the USA and here in China.! The only difference being is that in the USA the general public really think they have a say in who are the people at the top whereas here everyone knows they have no say at all ;D
But whose economy is going better! I saw the figures flashing by at the Mitt Romney convention showing how many billion, trillion, zillion dollars the American government is in debt. Whereas they have no debt and are sitting in Billions, of Trillions.
Willy
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Thanks Vince. Yes I am still around. I read almost everyday but don't always log on and comment.
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Am I Sick or should I ask James Bond?
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/csis-warns-chinese-cyber-spies-235300609.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/csis-warns-chinese-cyber-spies-235300609.html)
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Ok, I have to straighten out a little point about the electoral college. There is this gross misunderstanding, what the authors of the Constitution did when they created that entity.
The electoral college is not required to fulfill the desire of the popular vote. For the simple reason that the popular vote is dominated by the most populous states. The Constitution's design was to protect the minority from the majority. Thus, you can win New York, New England, California and few other large population states, but still lose the election.
It was designed that way, because people in Wyoming don't like New Yorker's theory of how the world should run. That's also why the Senate has two from each state in the country. It creates a system of equality.
I know that there are people, primarily supporting the "Left" party, who want the electoral college gone. Granted, if you actually look at those "two parties" in the US, you will realize there is no real difference between them. It's all an imaginary line created by the media and campaign managers.
I for one, as a happy supporter of the "third parties" don't want to see the electoral college gone, b/c when people finally wake up and realize they have a choice, other than (A) Jackass, or (B) Babar, they will start to vote for C, D, E, F and G. This is what allowed the "GOP" to become one of the primary parties in the late 1850s, it's what will allow the next parties to rise and hopefully they will rise, before those two parties run the US completely into the ground.
How do I know this. My first degree that I started and finished after leaving the army was Political Theory and Constitutional Democracy. For those of you who do not comprehend what that means. I spent an entire year of school studying the works of the people who created the US government, the people who critiqued their work (most de Tocqueville) and a great deal of time studying what went wrong in the USSR, China and all of those great "Socialist" Authoritarian societies. Sadly, I was informed that if I continued to Law School, upon finishing my law degree, I would be sentenced to life in family court (appointed as a judge), or I could turn that down and be a blackballed lawyer. I was told this by prominent members of both parties in my home state. They wanted me to know, b/c they knew if I turned down a bench position, I would be sunk professionally in the legal world and that no matter which party supported me, the media would ensure I got ignored. Why family court? b/c family courts can't interfere with Washington's agenda.
There is no conspiracy theory, it's the truth. So in turn, I became an accountant. At least this way, I can pay bills, and have a life, outside representing the militias in bogus court cases.
Message in all of this, if you are an American and vote for either of those "primary" parties. You need to wake up, read the fine print and realize those bastards are robbing you, your children and your children's children of the future.
The fastest way to get rid of a corrupt politician, is to vote him out. The fastest way to get rid of a corrupt party, is to vote both of them out. Remember, the US actually has seven, that is 7 political parties on the national stage.
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I found this at the new york book review. Sort of scary.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/22/china-worse-you-ever-imagined/ (http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/22/china-worse-you-ever-imagined/)