China Romance
General Discussion and Useful Links => Newbies Corner => Topic started by: odysseus007 on January 27, 2010, 05:37:33 am
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Hiya guys,
Just wanted to share something which I find a little disturbing, as the headline says. So I send them an enquiry. 3 messages this morning, 3 credits disappear, so now the gals basically CONTROL my credits, unless I BLOCK them, which is rather Draconian since it is CHNLove's fault. I find it makes me vulnerable to those gals who feel like Twittering or sending some short random messages multiple times a day, geez!
So here's the cut & paste of the reply from them :
Vicki Chow (Customer Care) : 2010-01-27 09:33:32 GMT
Dear Lawrence, Thank you for your message.Please be kindl... Detail
From: Vicki Chow (Customer Care)
To: Lawrence Low
Date: 27 Jan, 2010 GMT
Dear Lawrence,
Thank you for your message.Please be kindly noted we have received your concern and will deal with it as soon as possible.
For your concern, as you may know, when contacting your favorite lady via EMF letters, one credit will be deducted from your account each time you sent or received an EMF letter. To know more about how the credit system works, please have a look at:
http://www.chnlove.com/help/faq.php?qid=197
You may wonder why the credit is deducted before you open the lady's reply. Actually, the money we collect from the credits is mainly used to cover the translation cost for each letter handled by the agencies. For each of your coming EMF mail, the translators inside the agencies need to translate and forward each EMF mail to the ladies. In due time, they need to contact them again to obtain their reply, then translate it into English. In the whole process, the ladies are free to enjoy the free translation service as well as professional consultation and advices from the agencies, which make her feel comfortable and confident to build trust and prompt the relationship. To help ease your concern, here below is the link for your kind reference:
http://www.chnlove.com/help/tips_advice/article.php?id=9
On the other hand, if you do not wish to receive more letters from the lady, you may add her to your Block List:
http://www.chnlove.com/my/block.php
Thanks again for your support to our service. Please feel free to let us know if you have additional question or concern. We'll be glad to help our sincere clients.
Kind regards,
Vicki Chow
Chnlove Customer Care
Then my follow-up :
From: Lawrence Low
To: Chnlove Customer Care
Date: 27 Jan, 2010 GMT
Under the first link :
How does the CL Credit system work?
Your OWN ANSWER :
"You may view these mails after you purchase new credits. It is until you purchase new credits and view the letters will credits be deducted. For the mails unread by the gentleman, credits will not be deducted."
What does the last sentence say?
FOR THE MAILS UNREAD BY THE GENTLEMAN, CREDITS WILL NOT BE DEDUCTED.
So you have contradicted your own policy. I am not asking WHY it is deducted. I am asking WHY you do not follow your own procedure.
While I await their reply, what do you guys have to say? Anybody else been on the receiving end?
By the way I am no innocent lamb. I have been to China many times before, can find my way around, and I CAN speak decent Chinese.
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Lawrence...
Been there...done that.
The key to this particular deception is whether or not you have credits in your account. If you have, then any EMF sent to you will result in a credit deduction WHETHER OR NOT YOU READ IT !!!
If you have no credits, then nothing will/can be deducted from your account until such time as you purchase credits...then they will be deducted !!
As usual, the garbage written by the Customer Care Department is meaningless...and they wont do anything to fix it.
So, unles you actually want to read a specific letter from a specific Lady/Ladies you are writing to.....then dont have credits in your account...you cant escape their money making machine.
I wont go any further into the nefarious activities of CHNLove...there are hundreds of posts here that explain it all.
However, this is all part of the reason why we say get off EMF's as soon as possible and onto QQ or similar...but that is yet another story, and yet another way that CHNLove fight like Tigers to keep the revenue stream going strong !!
welcome to your worst nightmare ...but the rewards are potentially so good that we all stick with it...and many eventually win :icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
DavidE
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Thanks David,
I have thought of that as well. Now there are 2 problems I can foresee with that approach :
1) the gals all seem to want EMF, whether or not they are in collusion with the agencies, or even if the agencies are unilaterally duping me is another matter;
2) if I only buy credits when I want to read a particular EMF, then to keep the credits low, I will have to buy like 4 credits at a pop, which makes each credit even pricier. And then the backlog of EMFs will wipe out my whole balance of credits.
As sane & logical folks, collectively we should be able to defeat their nefarious scheme. What, has nobody found a way?
So far I am toying with a plan that involves blocking gals & deleting EMFs until I get an EMF that I want to read. Also, giving the gals an ultimatum to get off EMF. Blocked gals cannot send me EMFs indiscriminately. And EMFs not sent will not cost me credits, even if I have big fat credits sitting idle in my account tempting the dirty rotten scoundrels of the agencies. Your thoughts?
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Its all about what strategy you choose to employ in your search...targetted or scattergun !!!
If you only invite one or two Ladies to communicate...those who you are particularly interested in, then the EMF expense is more modest and more controllable.
If, however, you want to contact many Ladies before you choose one/two or ?? to get more serious with, then the cost of EMF's will rise.
As a personal opinion, I would suggest to restrict your prospecting to only a few, for many reasons other than the cost of EMF's....its very hard to keep sucessful commnications with many ladies simultaneously !!!
Either which way, the EMF route is unlikely to allow you to get to know the real person...too much translator influence both ways !! QQ or similar gives you a better understanding of who you are communicating with.
If you find a lady who you want to go further with, dig your heels in about more personal contact...if she is serious, she will eventually agree...or lose you !!
David
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Totally agree David !
As I said, I speak fluent English, Chinese & Malay (the last is irrelevant here). So in fact there is absolutely no reason or the gals not to progress to phone conversation unless it's about money.
Methodically I believe it is best to do targeted. I select the gals, not the other way round. Then from maybe a dozen I start whittling down. It's the way headhunters work. And fast, coz 50 credits only lasted like 2 weeks, that too with me deliberately holding back replies.
With options open I retain control. I can make ultimatums. If I just want to play around, here in my home ground it is a lot faster & cheaper to do so. My purpose in CHN is for real & for keeps.
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odysseus007, Welcome to the forum.
Hiding your profile will give more control to you. I think we all complained of the EMF that you don't want to read and got paid for. The first EMF from a woman was free? (I think) I guess they did away with that? If you hide your profile you make the pick not them.
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I hid my profile as soon as I found my girl. I've also blocked all the other girls I had any contact with. It's harsh, but I found that otherwise I would end up with having to pay for "touch base" type of EMFs that I presume agencies send out if you don't respond quickly enough.
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Mr L one way to slow things is to hide your profile and only talk to the ones that you wish to talk to via their free contact note , regards Ying and Robert .
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typical of cnl procedures and the answer from custumer service was standard rubbish.
do they even know what "customer service" means or stands for??? i would get off emf's
as soon as possible like 3 or 5 emf's i think and some of you might disagree but that is enough
yes the language might be a problem but it will still be a problem after 25 emf's so why prolong it
tackle it head on i just think to much good money is waisted on these emf's and chnlove knows this
and appreciates everyones money. they gave me the same rubbish i left and went to cll and there i
found my wife after weeding out the knucklehead chatters or gold diggers but it ws no were near the
cost of chnlove. just my opinion from someone who didnt want to put up with there crap any more. i
think they think they are the only game in town and from the looks of the posts there lately doesnt
seem to be as lively as it once once. no matter were you go you will have to weed out the bad to get
the good at least on other sites you dont have to worry about a translator talking to you instead of
a lady. ok i will shut up on this as it just gets me going when i see their bussiness practices.
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Ted, Even if he got off EMF's and talked direct that wouldn't stop other women (agency) from writing and taking up credits. Hiding the profile is the only thing to do.
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Thanks Vince, David, Robert :angel:
Yes, hiding I must investigate further. I understand that if I did not initiate contact with a cupid, then admiration mails cannot escalate coz I did not give them the power, & I won't be charged.
Only those that I reply to, or initiate with cupid will auto deduct credits. If so be the case, then I can selectively block the also-rans, and need not worry about the admirers. BUT I still keep profile active to get admirers from the new gals. UNLESS of coz I found "THE ONE". But I wouldn't call it a day unless I have met her & it's mutually approved. Please correct me if I made a flaw in logic or in fact.
I have been in over 20 cities & towns in China, and "wang ba"s are ubiquitous I attest. No excuse for being unable to find one & get on the webcam.. Altho I really find them not much better than the Nazi gas chambers of Auschwitz, with all the inveterate smokers there.
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Ahem! I'm a smoker. Just kidding there's no offence taken. I've been a member on CL for about 2 years or so? I think I'm starting my 3rd? I hid my profile maybe 6 months in? A year after some others, and learning the ropes I sent a cupid to a lady and we've been a couple since. Before this there was one young women that was very nice but kept sending notes instead of a letter. "I not hear from you in three days? you write soon OK" I ended up blocking her.
As for web camming? Some do, some don't? It's hard to say.
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Thanks Ted,
I am already looking into CLL. There are other free places like DIA (with lotsa pinay goldigger crap as usual) where gals are far more forthcoming with contact details. The funny thing is, back before all these dating sites came up, I usually ended up meeting the nicest gals not from the ones I went to meet after letters back & forth, but met them by accident or in public places AFTER I arrived in China. Like in the hotel I stayed at, I met like at least 12 decent to great gals, from just 3 hotels/hostels. My ex, I met with nothing more than a blurry photo beforehand, was fabulous ! We were together for 5 years. It was helluva a risk I took back then, I admit. But no middleman, no translator. All direct.
The first "gal" I met in Wuhan turned out to be nothing like her photo, and a chain smoker to boot. That was a real disaster, but before the days of internet dating. Still, she treated me decently except for the appearance deception, and her daughter was adorable.
The second gal I was heads over heels with was actually my "private tour guide". Very pretty & smart, but long story short she ended up with some European guy later.
It's all a gamble sometimes, but these days I try to mitigate the risks.
Ah Vince,
noone taken :icon_cheesygrin: Was just sayin that the ventilation in these places are atrocious to nonexistent, and the youths.... some of em eat, sleep & wake up & play MMORPG games all day & night there. Gotta go by gut feel. I tell em straight up : if you are gonna write a 1 liner, guess what, you're a one-timer with me. Coz I got better thangs to do with my credit. Heck, I can buy like 7 pirated DVDs with the price of 1 credit ferchrissake.
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dia is a site for purely entertainment purposes. that place is a
gathering place for all the hooligans. and i dont mean to offend
anyone here but the ones from the philipines wow they are in love
at the opening of your profile :dodgy:
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Hahaha yeah you're right Ted,
But I've spoken (phone calls) to a few chinese ladies from there who are genuine. Not the pinays tho, the odds are real bad for em. I've also met some of the Thai university students from actual events I attend in BKK, very decent gals, and nothing like the bargal types u find mostly.
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give cll a try at this pont nothing to lose and there are quite a few
good ones there i put on my profile i was moving to china so i still
think that kept the goldiggers away :dodgy:
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Hi Ted,
Hmm, how much is Gold & Platinum? I couldn't click thru to check it. Will register & do the browsing this weekend or when I find time.
Haha, my problem was she DIDN'T want to leave China, so there you go, no goldigging. But I had to cast around for some decent source of income over there.... not as simple as one might think.
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no its not teaching is an option but dont go to the schools
10 hours a week can get you 2000 rmb and its enough to
live off a month and not touch your money
i dont remember the prices as i am no longer there but i think if
i remember rght it was like 129 a year
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What I do is NOT put any credits on chn. The still send me profiles and admiration letters and it does not cost anything. If I find one that might be interesting, then I buy credits (4 only) which is good enough for 2 letters and 2 reply's. If after 2 letters we are getting along, then I hide my profile and converse with only her. Now in most cases your admiration letters will be 1/3 her and the rest is the interpeter.
What I do recommend is while in "free mode" keep your profile updated and you will get lots of admiration letters to check out.
What I don't understand, is if you speak Chinese, and can write chinese to them, why do you have to pay for an interpeter? There is nothing to interpet...:huh:
remember, find a girl you like, put her in favorites, hide profile and be sure to let her know what you did and your profile number to write to. Never buy more than the 4 credit minium, and in those two letters you can get her phone number and give her yours.
there's my two cents worth.
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Hi odysseus007,
Welcome to the forum! The best advice I could say is, hide your profile and go after the ones you are interested in. Also investigate CLL and some of the other sites. Many aren't as money-hungry as CHN. If you do decide to go with CHN however, some advice is go for real contact as soon as possible. Since you are fluent in ??, you want to cut out CHN as soon as possible as you have no need for them once initial contact has been made.
If you go with CLL, stick with the gold level unless you want to see videos (I think it's about $120 a year for gold membership).
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well if your fluent in chinese put in your profile
that you want direct and only direct contact
that should keep the other ones away maybe
and the translaters especially
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Of course there are gold diggers on ChnLove - But honest you guys, i will try to stop doing it now that I am married!!!!!
Also I have an emf credit still on Chnlove going back 6 months. Can I pass it to someone else or just forget about it. If I was tempted to use it then I fear that I would have the shortest marriage in the history of the Brotherhood.
Using emf's - You have to be tough with these ladies if you want to save on EMF's. When I was still in the UK sorting out who I wanted to see I just told them that they had to pass me their cell phone numbers that week or there would be no further chatting. No bloody wonder I had to come to China to find a lady as I never heard from any one of those 6 again!!!!!
Willy
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from what i understand is nobody can send you a emf unless you've contacted
them first via emf.once you've opened that line of communication she can send
as many emf as she likes,and you will be charged for each one she sends,they cant
send emf until you do,they cant send you a emf if you send a cupid note or put them
as a favourite.they can only send admirer mail to you.but once you open emf the only
way to stop them is to block the person,and keep them blocked.i was talking with a lady
for a while,did thee old got to go out of town on business,never heard from her.10
months later i get a emf from her and lost a credit.i didnt think to block her as she stopped
writing to me
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ok Willy i will take your unused credits
hahaha just joking Sisi would not like that
just kidding but it was nice to offer to one
of the guys not married
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OK< I'm new here... What is CLL?
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no its not teaching is an option but dont go to the schools
10 hours a week can get you 2000 rmb and its enough to
live off a month and not touch your money
i dont remember the prices as i am no longer there but i think if
i remember rght it was like 129 a year
Thanks Ted, I will check it out fully this weekend after I register.
What I do is NOT put any credits on chn. The still send me profiles and admiration letters and it does not cost anything. If I find one that might be interesting, then I buy credits (4 only) which is good enough for 2 letters and 2 reply's. If after 2 letters we are getting along, then I hide my profile and converse with only her. Now in most cases your admiration letters will be 1/3 her and the rest is the interpeter.
What I do recommend is while in "free mode" keep your profile updated and you will get lots of admiration letters to check out.
What I don't understand, is if you speak Chinese, and can write chinese to them, why do you have to pay for an interpeter? There is nothing to interpet...:huh:
remember, find a girl you like, put her in favorites, hide profile and be sure to let her know what you did and your profile number to write to. Never buy more than the 4 credit minium, and in those two letters you can get her phone number and give her yours.
there's my two cents worth.
Yes, you are right, Rocky. Now the crazy thing is, they DON"T ALLOW anybody to write EMFs in Chinese. So obviously they are force-feeding you the whole translator service.
I am not sure how I can let her know my profile number by putting her in favourites? Usually the agency des that for me right? And I have NEVER had te girl give me her phone number in 2 EMFs. I think the translators are blocking it out. Usually they will say oh, they have my contact number & email, but let's talk in CHNlove first til they get comfy. Now in real life, both in Singapore & in China, I have managed to get phone numbers right at the first face to face meeting, about 25% & 70% of the time respectively, so I know I have the skills. It must be the translators not wanting to lose their income stream.
Hi odysseus007,
Welcome to the forum! The best advice I could say is, hide your profile and go after the ones you are interested in. Also investigate CLL and some of the other sites. Many aren't as money-hungry as CHN. If you do decide to go with CHN however, some advice is go for real contact as soon as possible. Since you are fluent in ??, you want to cut out CHN as soon as possible as you have no need for them once initial contact has been made.
If you go with CLL, stick with the gold level unless you want to see videos (I think it's about $120 a year for gold membership).
Thanks buddy,
I was just wondering about the relative value of Gold & Diamond. I guess the vids are only to verify that they are not picking some highly altered studio photos & look nothing like that.
well if your fluent in chinese put in your profile
that you want direct and only direct contact
that should keep the other ones away maybe
and the translaters especially
That is a good filter, and I have actually set limits in my profile on how many letters I am willing to pay for, to avoid a "1001 Arabian Nights" scenario. But I don't want to eliminate too many at the outset, by insisting on zero EMFs. If the first letter from her is too short or generic, I will tell her to buck up or I shall drop her. I have other ways to tell who is writing the letters, but that is fair indirect warning to the translator.
Of course there are gold diggers on ChnLove - But honest you guys, i will try to stop doing it now that I am married!!!!!
Also I have an emf credit still on Chnlove going back 6 months. Can I pass it to someone else or just forget about it. If I was tempted to use it then I fear that I would have the shortest marriage in the history of the Brotherhood.
Using emf's - You have to be tough with these ladies if you want to save on EMF's. When I was still in the UK sorting out who I wanted to see I just told them that they had to pass me their cell phone numbers that week or there would be no further chatting. No bloody wonder I had to come to China to find a lady as I never heard from any one of those 6 again!!!!!
Willy
Haha Willy, prolly the translators badmouthed you to the ladies. I take a more subtle approach - I take a longer time to reply, post letters of 3000-4500 characters, insist on replies of a certain length & quality, and ask very specific questions that a translator might find tough to answer without consulting the girl. In other words, I set a "scorched earth policy" that makes it very hard for a translator if he/she is trying to make fast bucks off me.
from what i understand is nobody can send you a emf unless you've contacted
them first via emf.once you've opened that line of communication she can send
as many emf as she likes,and you will be charged for each one she sends,they cant
send emf until you do,they cant send you a emf if you send a cupid note or put them
as a favourite.they can only send admirer mail to you.but once you open emf the only
way to stop them is to block the person,and keep them blocked.i was talking with a lady
for a while,did thee old got to go out of town on business,never heard from her.10
months later i get a emf from her and lost a credit.i didnt think to block her as she stopped
writing to me
Haha Stuart you're absolutely right. Like the thing about you havng to invite a vampire before she can enter your house. So now I always make sure to block gals that I don't wanna hear from again, or until they learn their lesson about writing short vapid letters, and withholding contact info. Between not starting an EMF correspondence & blocking unwanteds, I think my credits should be pretty safe from the hungry CHNdragon. Until they change their policy again.
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eclayc CLL means Chinese love links.It is a dateing site.I think they have women from all over Asia.That you can talk to.
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Ok guys, an update :
I have both won & lost this particular battle with CHN.
Won - I have bugged them til they conceded and gave me back some of my lost credits (even tho I had already read the messages). Me : 1
Lost - Apparently I made a big enuff fuss that they actually went & reworded their policy so that I cannot pull this one agan. CHN : 1
I am happy enough with that & we have made our peace.
Maybe we will have a decider one day. Lesson here is : you must know how to deal with big bully corporates, and they WILL BEND in the end if you are determined enough. I have made big uns like UPS, OCBC Bank, Singapore Post, Motorola, and a few more eat humble pie & bow to me. In dealing with Chinese civil servants & employees in general, you gotta know where it pinches. Otherwise they will just give you short shrift.
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well i am glad to see you got some thing back
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I tried CCL never had much luck with them. A lot of the same women are on both sites.
If you got tons of time, the very best way to meet a compatible woman is to stay over there for at least 6 months to a year or longer. Do not meet women through commercial means, but learn enough Chinese to network and interact on your own. This is the most normal way to meet anyone in any country.
Having said that if you are a middle aged average looking man looking for a fairly younger attractive woman, it is very difficult in any Western country.
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I tried CCL never had much luck with them. A lot of the same women are on both sites.
If you got tons of time, the very best way to meet a compatible woman is to stay over there for at least 6 months to a year or longer. Do not meet women through commercial means, but learn enough Chinese to network and interact on your own. This is the most normal way to meet anyone in any country.
Having said that if you are a middle aged average looking man looking for a fairly younger attractive woman, it is very difficult in any Western country.
Hi Oiler,
You meant CLL right? Not CCL? I got onto that site after Ted's strong recommendation. Then found that I am already registered since ages ago. What you said about being down there yourself is true, I have been there & done that. I speak Chinese by the way, being ethnic Chinese, enough to hold a conversation for hours, and I have plenty of stories & anecdotes at hand.
Let's be brutally frank :
Let me analyze the pros & cons of these 2 sites for you :
1) CHN - seems to have a "better quality of women" in terms of looks & status, AND they seem tantalizingly within reach, BUT you run the gauntlet of CHNLove's policies, the individual agencies possibly doing something funny, and the girl's translator trying to prolong or outright faking letters. I have NEVER had a girl give me her number in 2 or even 4 letters. AND these are letters that are 3000-4000 characters long, much longer than average. That sucks, coz in real life I get numbers much more easily, and often within the first meeting. My personality & unique characteristics never get much of a chance to shine through with 3 layers of bureaucracy in between. I'll bet the translators are removing the numbers & email addresses. Translators - Revenge of the Fallen, eh?
2) CLL - good thing is you get a free-for-all buffet. Quality runs the gamut from very good to barely tolerable. But you can filter, and it is all within your control. PROBLEM here is, 99% of gals are standard members, so the hot ones who also can speak good English are also being hit on by 99% of the guys here. You barely stand a chance unless you have outstanding skills or charisma or looks or money, whatever. This is very close toi being DIA in terms of total free-for-all. Now in TWO DAYS I have gotten like a dozen numbers, and spoken to most of them. They are generally slightly below smoking hot, AND I don't need English speaking ones, so I have a segment that you guys don't usually manage to open up. I excel at voice chat, so I am pretty happy with this. But I shall keep CHN open just in case someone too hot to resist comes up.
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I tried CCL never had much luck with them. A lot of the same women are on both sites.
If you got tons of time, the very best way to meet a compatible woman is to stay over there for at least 6 months to a year or longer. Do not meet women through commercial means, but learn enough Chinese to network and interact on your own. This is the most normal way to meet anyone in any country.
Having said that if you are a middle aged average looking man looking for a fairly younger attractive woman, it is very difficult in any Western country.
Hi Oiler,
You meant CLL right? Not CCL? I got onto that site after Ted's strong recommendation. Then found that I am already registered since ages ago. What you said about being down there yourself is true, I have been there & done that. I speak Chinese by the way, being ethnic Chinese, enough to hold a conversation for hours, and I have plenty of stories & anecdotes at hand.
Let's be brutally frank :
Let me analyze the pros & cons of these 2 sites for you :
1) CHN - seems to have a "better quality of women" in terms of looks & status, AND they seem tantalizingly within reach, BUT you run the gauntlet of CHNLove's policies, the individual agencies possibly doing something funny, and the girl's translator trying to prolong or outright faking letters. I have NEVER had a girl give me her number in 2 or even 4 letters. AND these are letters that are 3000-4000 characters long, much longer than average. That sucks, coz in real life I get numbers much more easily, and often within the first meeting. My personality & unique characteristics never get much of a chance to shine through with 3 layers of bureaucracy in between. I'll bet the translators are removing the numbers & email addresses. Translators - Revenge of the Fallen, eh?
2) CLL - good thing is you get a free-for-all buffet. Quality runs the gamut from very good to barely tolerable. But you can filter, and it is all within your control. PROBLEM here is, 99% of gals are standard members, so the hot ones who also can speak good English are also being hit on by 99% of the guys here. You barely stand a chance unless you have outstanding skills or charisma or looks or money, whatever. This is very close toi being DIA in terms of total free-for-all. Now in TWO DAYS I have gotten like a dozen numbers, and spoken to most of them. They are generally slightly below smoking hot, AND I don't need English speaking ones, so I have a segment that you guys don't usually manage to open up. I excel at voice chat, so I am pretty happy with this. But I shall keep CHN open just in case someone too hot to resist comes up.
Good insight. I have tried to get phone numbers to no avail. All I get are e-mails which may or may not be their personal address.
With your Chinese skills you should go over there network and find the better ones instead of using commercial means. I wish I could speak Chinese fluently.
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When I decide to write to one I always tell them in the first mail that I will not use EMF's to communicate & I give my e-mail address, my Chinese mobile & my QQ No. I'd say 4 out of 6 have replied directly to me as I always put a note to the translator saying I will not reply to any EMF's whatsoever....like it or lump it, remember they still want the money from either you or the girl for the introduction.
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To get direct contact I use a little trick that hasn't failed me except once so far, but I think she was a fake anyway ...
I include my QQ details in the second EMF, I guess this info usually gets blocked. Then after 1 or 2 more EMFs, I request direct contact and add a note to the translator warning that the relationship will fail if there is no direct contact, and I block the profile on CHN. It worked 5 times out of 6 in the last couple of months, and over all, the only failures were with two really good looking women under the age of 25, one more recently which is surely a fake, she later appeared on QQ but she is still fishing for EMF so I would say I was talking to a translator.
I used CLL for a short time a while back, also CB which is similar although less crowded it would seem. Contact is quite cumbersome because there are so many, a lot of the women have been burned by players and are overly cautious. It's just too much work for me at present.
If you speak Chinese my suggestion would be to go local indeed, I made a few contacts during my last trip and could have made many more if I had been willing to, but I thought I was taken so I "blocked" most attempts except the ones that were looking more for friendship.
Frank
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To get direct contact I use a little trick that hasn't failed me except once so far, but I think she was a fake anyway ...
I include my QQ details in the second EMF, I guess this info usually gets blocked. Then after 1 or 2 more EMFs, I request direct contact and add a note to the translator warning that the relationship will fail if there is no direct contact, and I block the profile on CHN. It worked 5 times out of 6 in the last couple of months, and over all, the only failures were with two really good looking women under the age of 25, one more recently which is surely a fake, she later appeared on QQ but she is still fishing for EMF so I would say I was talking to a translator.
I used CLL for a short time a while back, also CB which is similar although less crowded it would seem. Contact is quite cumbersome because there are so many, a lot of the women have been burned by players and are overly cautious. It's just too much work for me at present.
If you speak Chinese my suggestion would be to go local indeed, I made a few contacts during my last trip and could have made many more if I had been willing to, but I thought I was taken so I "blocked" most attempts except the ones that were looking more for friendship.
Frank
I tend to agree with giving the ultimatum. Even some genuine gals tend to get into EMF groove if not controlled, especially if it is MY money they are spending.
I am not resident in China, so no chance to go local, although I did very well indeed before on business trips.
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Oh I meant just book a trip and try your luck locally, I'm sure it would work, you could meet more potential candidates than you could handle I think.
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Just booking a vacation and coming here is a good way to meet people
just go outside and start talking to people and walking around. you could meet
more than you can handle here by doing it this way but the time together
would be short unless you were here for 30 or 60 days. Guangzhou is very
good for meeting this way as i am sure some other cities are also
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Just booking a vacation and coming here is a good way to meet people
just go outside and start talking to people and walking around. you could meet
more than you can handle here by doing it this way but the time together
would be short unless you were here for 30 or 60 days. Guangzhou is very
good for meeting this way as i am sure some other cities are also
Oh actually that is my preferred modus operandi. Coz I speak the language, it is a lot easier than in say, SIngapore, where the women are a lot more stuck up, or suspicious, whatever.
Guangzhou is very
good for meeting this way as i am sure some other cities are also
In Qingdao they come after you .... right Rob ?? :icon_cheesygrin:
Haha, really ! Rob must be very fortunate ! Did Rob buy Tsingtao beer for everybody? :icon_cheesygrin:
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not yet we are waiting for his arrival to buy that beer
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not yet we are waiting for his arrival to buy that beer
Actually I used to know a place in Wuhan that gave out freeflow beer! It was a seafood restaurant that has the longest display counter/bar I ever saw, all sorts of seafood on it, and really packed as well. Great gimmick too.
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Guangzhou is very
good for meeting this way as i am sure some other cities are also
In Qingdao they come after you .... right Rob ?? :icon_cheesygrin:
Only if you stop them in the street and ACT DUMB...lol:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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so the method of operation is to act dumb? interesting approach Rob :icon_cheesygrin:
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Lots of good info here-thanks guys. I just bought my first 4 credits. I've been talking with one woman privately who gave me her email addy in her admiration mail, but there are a couple of others I've received replies from cupid messages to that I'd like to contact eventually. Also, one other lady sent me an admiration mail in which she says she speaks good english and asked me to contact her back with my private contact info, so she is definitely on my list. Good to know that you can only receive emfs from a lady if you emf them first. I will be very selective in who I contact that way.
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good luck in your search there trwme
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Lots of good info here-thanks guys. I just bought my first 4 credits. I've been talking with one woman privately who gave me her email addy in her admiration mail, but there are a couple of others I've received replies from cupid messages to that I'd like to contact eventually. Also, one other lady sent me an admiration mail in which she says she speaks good english and asked me to contact her back with my private contact info, so she is definitely on my list. Good to know that you can only receive emfs from a lady if you emf them first. I will be very selective in who I contact that way.
Trwme
The admiration mail would have been sent out by the AGENCY mate...They do this to attract/pull you in!!!
The email address you get will normally have Blahblah@.cn this is again agency generated.
Go for the ones YOU send EMF's too
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Ah, ....but using that email address costs you nothing in EMF credits, and it still gets translated both ways!! ....What would you rather choose, the EMF route, or The Free email route??
It's a no-brain-er.... haha!!
By the way, an agency controlled email address will normally have your ladies profile name and is normally a ''yahoo, or a 126.com.cn'' account. If the name is different in any way to her profile name, is it probably her own private email address
David......
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Ah, ....but using that email address costs you nothing in EMF credits, and it still gets translated both ways!! ....What would you rather choose, the EMF route, or The Free email route??
It's a no-brain-er.... haha!!
By the way, an agency controlled email address will normally have your ladies profile name and is normally a ''yahoo, or a 126.com.cn'' account. If the name is different in any way to her profile name, is it probably her own private email address
David......
Hi David
In regards to my thread....profile removed....chnlove sent me the ladies email address,it was the same name as on her profile and a yahoo.cn.
they said it was her email address.Does that mean I will be writing to the agency????and not to her as she has cancelled her profile.What would be the point of the agency giving out her agency generated email to me???
I dont get it........sigh........
cheers
jimmy
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jimmy,
That certainly sounds like an agency address!! The email address is set up when they join the agency.
I don't have a clue, what they are playing at!! But if your lady has a computer and corresponds with the agency via this email address she will at least receive your mail...even if she can't read it!! lol!!
Personally, i'd write in English to her translator via this address and ask some questions, as to what has happened to your lady and see what she/he has to say about it all!!.. then take things from there.... She/he may have your ladies ''personal'' email address, all you can do is ask if she/he can give that address to you... Best of Luck!!!
David......
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thats good advice if you want to contact this lady. write to that email box
and see what happens. if the response is the same then i am sorry but it is
time to move on. as you will not be able to get in touch with her. this would
make me think it is an agency doing and not the lady
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Damn, wish I would have joined when I first saw this site. There is a crap load of information here that is very very useful. This is yet another thread that gives the insight into the business practices of CHNL. This stuff should be required reading BEFORE joining their site.
What ever happened to the first rule of business, the customer is always right!
Dave C
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Bee it doesnt exist here in china in regard to these agencies
but in stores you do get great service if there is a problem
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Bee
The modern rules about customer service:....
RULE 1) The customer is NEVER right.
RULE 2) If the customer is actually right...Rule 1) applies !!!!
RULE 3) Management is ALWAYS right
Rule 4) If Management ever gets it wrong...Rule 3) applies !!!!
DavidE
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Trwme
The admiration mail would have been sent out by the AGENCY mate...They do this to attract/pull you in!!!
The email address you get will normally have Blahblah@.cn this is again agency generated.
Go for the ones YOU send EMF's too
Hi Rob,
Yeah, I figured out real quick that the admiration emails were coming from the agency more than likely, especially when I added someone to my favorites and then presto, I get an immediate admiration from them. However, among the first admiration notes I got, I receive the private email addy of one of the women inviting me to write her there, and she and I have been talking quite a bit since then. So I am thinking the one who asked me for MY email addy is probably legitimate. She doesn't have the supermodel pic thing going either, lol, although she is attractive enough. She is the only one so far who asked for my email addy. But, I will keep your advice in mind as I go forward; experience is the best teacher, and it is often better to learn from someone else's experience when you can-and usually less costly, lol.
It's kinda of a moot point now tho, I got another admiration tonight from one I very much would have intended to contact anyway-and I believe from the way the note was written, it was not just an agency come on. It seemed more specific towards me than the others. I think I may just write her and use my credits there. I would have sent her a cupid, but they won't let me, lol, since I have sent a few and they suggest I write an EMF to REALLY make an impression, lol.
However, I am not doing anything until I get a bit more feeback from you veterans here :~)
Roy.
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Trwme
The admiration mail would have been sent out by the AGENCY mate...They do this to attract/pull you in!!!
The email address you get will normally have Blahblah@.cn this is again agency generated.
Go for the ones YOU send EMF's too
Hi Rob,
Yeah, I figured out real quick that the admiration emails were coming from the agency more than likely, especially when I added someone to my favorites and then presto, I get an immediate admiration from them. However, among the first admiration notes I got, I receive the private email addy of one of the women inviting me to write her there, and she and I have been talking quite a bit since then. So I am thinking the one who asked me for MY email addy is probably legitimate. She doesn't have the supermodel pic thing going either, lol, although she is attractive enough. She is the only one so far who asked for my email addy. But, I will keep your advice in mind as I go forward; experience is the best teacher, and it is often better to learn from someone else's experience when you can-and usually less costly, lol.
It's kinda of a moot point now tho, I got another admiration tonight from one I very much would have intended to contact anyway-and I believe from the way the note was written, it was not just an agency come on. It seemed more specific towards me than the others. I think I may just write her and use my credits there. I would have sent her a cupid, but they won't let me, lol, since I have sent a few and they suggest I write an EMF to REALLY make an impression, lol.
However, I am not doing anything until I get a bit more feeback from you veterans here :~)
Roy.
They want you to "Hold your Hormones" for another 10 hours, THEN you may write another cupid, sorta like recharging your lil bro, loool.
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good luck in your search there trwme
Thanks Ted. I am trying to be the tortoise and not the hare. Still mulling through some of the strategies others here have shared in making contacts.
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just take your time and look for the one that sparks your interest
and she in you. but i wouldnt suggest multiple ones as i havent
really heard of that working out on visits to china. usually you
end up with nothing but i could be wrong
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just take your time and look for the one that sparks your interest
and she in you. but i wouldnt suggest multiple ones as i havent
really heard of that working out on visits to china. usually you
end up with nothing but i could be wrong
Thanks again Ted. Basically I am taking the go slow approach. What I plan to do at this time is to find one that is my main interest to meet, and then perhaps one or two others that are possibilities just in case. That may change as I go through the process, and knowing me, it probably will, lol. I am not a player who can romance several women at once; if something heats up, I'll back off the rest. I am a loooong way from being able to make the trip, much less from actually making it. So a lot can change between now and then.
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Bee
The modern rules about customer service:....
RULE 1) The customer is NEVER right.
RULE 2) If the customer is actually right...Rule 1) applies !!!!
RULE 3) Management is ALWAYS right
Rule 4) If Management ever gets it wrong...Rule 3) applies !!!!
DavidE
David I disagree...
The customer IS always right....Until out of earshot:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:
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All kidding aside, here in China if your have a problem with something from a
store they do go out of their way to correct it. for the most part you dont get
your money back but you can exchange for another one or even a different one.
have had this experience here and was very pleased when i did have a problem as
they did correct it