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A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« on: December 14, 2009, 06:19:29 am »
http://news.dayoo.com/guangdong/200905/02/53873_5852568_2.htm

Today I came across a piece of news on a Chinese news website. It's a long one published on May 2nd and made up of 4 pages (click 1 2 3 4 in the end of every page).  The general tone of this article is criticism because editors decided to do the investigations and wrote this article out of complaints from 5 ladies who were cheated by two companies practicing overseas matchmaking. Both are already shut down now.

I'll put part of it into English for your information.

In page one it analyses the motivations of Chinese women to find husbands abroad. From the mouths of ladies themselves, they do so for reasons such as "being divorced with children, it is almost impossible to find a Chinese man who can accept us and love us with true heart, perhaps we can find more chances in forgiven countries. It is said Laowai (foreigners) are more open-minded about age and family background, etc."

From the mouth of a government official, "Money and Visa" is the strongest motive. He said his department received 16 complaints about matchmaking. A major one of them, involving more than 50 people and 2.4 million RMB, was about overseas matchmaking. He said those who were cheated had held the dreams of simply "marrying abroad", others were for visas or better futures of their children.

Page two.

Journalists investigated 10 matchmaking companies in Shenzhen. When they were inquired about overseas matchmaking, 8 companies promised profitable and instant results, 2 declared overseas matchmaking is illegal in China but implied service in overseas friends making.

A company named "Yuanfen" boasts an overall service team including, "translators, consultants, consulting psychologist, overseas cooperative institution, branches in Hong Kong". A lady can often have 4 men writing with her.

A company named "China-wife" showed astonishing confidence of their abundant resource of foreign men. They said whenever a lady joins their service, she'll be "dazzled" by so many men to choose. She can keep choosing until she finds the right one.

A company named "Caizijiaren" listed different kinds of service with fees ranging from 3000 to 50000. A lady can choose either 3000 per month or a total payment of 50000 till success. Most of their clients choose the latter. A company named "Xinliangyuan" has their standard as 15800 for 4 month.

Page Three presents two individual cases narrated by two ladies themselves.

Case 1
Narrator, Huang Ying, 45 years old, from Guangdong, accountant,

"On a morning of 2006.5, I saw an ad about overseas matchmaking at the gate of our company. After reading it, I was attracted by the "wonderful life" described in it. I'm no young but still single, why not have a try? I called the company and asked if a woman in 42 like me had chance. They said age is no problem. The next evening, I visited there with a friend. The moment I stepped into it, I was dazzled. Photos of Chinese girls and foreign men hung all over the room. On a wall was projection of endless success stories. Witnessing other people's happiness, I felt an urge in my heart too. The company has about 600 square meters, more than 20 employees and business license hung on the wall. After hearing some introductions, I quickly decided to pay 15000 for a "Gold" level service.  

The next day after payment, they brought me to take pictures. They said my pictures would be put up on overseas websites where foreign men will visit. If they are interested, they'll send mails to me. In the first month, I received less than 10 letters and I had no access of email account and password. Translators there wrote and sent introduction letters for me, then translate replies to me. But no replies carried satisfactory candidates. They either are too old or have too many children. No one can meet my requirement. At that time I recalled advice from a staff to update my service level to "Diamond". Then I paid another 33000 to do so. So I paid 48000 in all. This time, I made more effort. I wrote introduction letters myself. Then the translator put it into English and sent back to me for examination. With my consent, she sent them out. Those days I went there every day to check new letters but was disappointed every time.

Finally in Dec of 2009, a Laowai was coming to visit me. He's called Robert, from America. This man has a reasonable age, 56. I was very nervous the first time. To help communication, I bought an E-dictionary with 2000 RMB. Robert told me he was there for business and would stay 10 days. I picked him up when he arrived but didn't see him off. During that 10 days, only for one day we were together. I brought him to "World Window" and "Splendid China". We lost contact immediate after he went back.

The next half year saw no progress. And I sometimes came across quarrels between other clients and their boss. My inquiries about it were either denied or evaded by other translators. I felt there were something tricky and demanded a refund of my service fee. But they said I had enjoyed service more than 1 year so no refund could be made.  

Latter on, through other members I finally knew we were all cheated. Overseas matchmaking is illegal. I haven't told my family this experience and dare not to do so now. I believe matchmaking no more."

Case 2
Narrator, Hong Yaping, 37, from Fujian, has a 5 years old child.

I have once been cheated by a Chinese man and began to develop interest in foreign men. One day I received a text message from a company of overseas matchmaking. I hesitated for a while, but when I think of my child, I decided to have a try.

In January 2008, they told me they have arranged a 40+ businessman from America to meet me. He’d come to Luohu from Hong Kong. We decide to meet in a hotel at 8:00. I arrived half an hour earlier. About 8:00, an Indian in his 70s came to me and I realized the so called American businessman is this one. I hurried to end our conversation and rushed away. When I reached the gate, a staff of the hotel told me this Indian grandpa went there every evening with different girls. I never turned up again after that evening.

One of my friends told me a more astonishing experience of hers. Her agency arranged a meeting between her and an Australian man. The man seemed nice and they enjoyed a good time. So my friend asked him if he had any intention of marriage. The man was shocked. He said he was already married and had children. Later one he told my friend he knew boss of the agency. Before his business visit that time, that boss had offered to arrange a Chinese woman to have some “fun” with him during his stay. He himself had no knowledge of matchmaking. My friend said she never believes in matchmaking any more.”

Page Four

The editor summarized the process of an overseas matchmaking scam.

Step 1. Send out oceans of pamphlets and ads.
Step 2. One on one promotion, with photos and business licenses.
Step 3, Collect large amounts of fees but offer ambiguous contracts.
Step 4, Put up photos of ladies onto overseas websites, receive and write letters with foreign men instead of ladies, conceal mail accounts and web sites from ladies.
Step 5, Keep correspondence going endlessly or arrange swindlers to meet ladies.
Step 6, Work out excuses to deny refund demands.

After interviewing many people from different government departments, the editor learned this conclusion. Overseas matchmaking is illegal in China but there is no clear definition of it and no department clearly deployed to supervise this business. So this trade is in a vacuum of supervision.  

Finally, 20 female interviewees gave their different reasons to find a foreign husband, which are summarized into 15.

1. Western men are generally rich so that I can live a comfortable life.
2. I can have greed card through overseas marriage and see a more colorful world.
3. Western men are generally more handsome than Chinese men.
4. Inter-race marriage usually produces lovely mix-blooded babies.
5. Western men usually have better sexuality.
6. Western men are usually more considerate to wives and more gentle.
7. Relationships between daughter-in-law and mother-in law would be simpler in marriage life of foreign countries.
8. Western men seem honest and reliable.
9. Western men are generous, with less sexism.
10. In a western styled marriage a couple can keep identity of each other and meanwhile respect each other.
11. Western men are romantic.
12. Western culture offers better chances for education of children.
13. Western men are straight-forward.
14. Inter-cultural marriage presents chances of clashes between two minds and brains. I can learn a lot from it.
15. Western men think more of family. They put wife and children first. Chinese men put their parents first.

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 10:09:16 am »
Interesting article, if it's set in stone that arranging marriages between overseas clients is illegal it might make it a bit hard for the bastards to come after you or the lady for money
« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 10:09:57 am by Cam »

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 11:17:43 am »
I like the part of "handsome" "rich" "better sexuality""we are generous" and romantic.  I disliked #2 when they get the "greed card"(lol)
that is a great artical. It's obivious, they never met the stingy, dirty old men on this blog....LOL LOL and as far as good looking, well they never met me....hahaha:icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin::icon_cheesygrin:

Think I'll stick with Scottish Robs plan, it seemed to work well, very well indeed!
« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 11:21:44 am by rockycoon »

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 12:08:29 pm »
Yes this bit about overseas marriages is very interesting! I do think my lady and her agency have already parted, but I don't know the full details and now is not a good time to ask her.

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 01:34:26 pm »
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1. Western men are generally rich so that I can live a comfortable life.
2. I can have greed card through overseas marriage and see a more colorful world.
3. Western men are generally more handsome than Chinese men.
4. Inter-race marriage usually produces lovely mix-blooded babies.
5. Western men usually have better sexuality.
6. Western men are usually more considerate to wives and more gentle.
7. Relationships between daughter-in-law and mother-in law would be simpler in marriage life of foreign countries.
8. Western men seem honest and reliable.
9. Western men are generous, with less sexism.
10. In a western styled marriage a couple can keep identity of each other and meanwhile respect each other.
11. Western men are romantic.
12. Western culture offers better chances for education of children.
13. Western men are straight-forward.
14. Inter-cultural marriage presents chances of clashes between two minds and brains. I can learn a lot from it.
15. Western men think more of family. They put wife and children first. Chinese men put their parents first.


1. Not necessary true if you take the cost of living into play. If I live in China I'll be consider rich but just average where I live
2. True but if she marry you for that run away as fast as you can
3. They haven't seen enough Western men beside on book, magazine or tv
4. Not true I seen some ugly ones.
5. Western men more expose to sex so better knowledge. Not necessary better in bed
6. Not true. Their image of Western men is distorted due to lack of overall exposure
7. Of course it will
8. Distorted views again
9. Distorted views again
10. Not sure why this is important
11. Guess they been reading too much romance novels and movies
12. True but its relative to the population and the amount of schools. If USA have the same population as China they will have a problem also.
13. True
14. Not necessary true all depends on the person.

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 02:23:51 pm »
What about us Candian-Chinese? We're worst of both worlds? :)

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 04:53:35 pm »
It makes you wonder doesn't it, ....If these matchmaking scammers put as much effort into a legitimate matchmaking service as they do scamming, they would probably make 10 times the amount as they do from the scamming. But as we all know, this isn't the way these people think, they only see what's in front of there eyes now, not what could be in front of them in the future!!!
It's the Chinese way......

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 06:25:35 pm »
Thanks Proteus

I am sure we all sympathise with this unethical and unscrupulous treatment of Chinese ladies who want to find a Western husband for the best of reasons.

On the other side of this coin is the same plight suffered by Western Men who want to find a Chinese wife...for the same best of reasons.

Western Men are also bombarded with the slick, glossy, unrealistic promises made by the many Agencies that now operate these type of services in most countries of the World.

You only have to read the "blurb" put out by CHNLove and similar Agencies ........if you believed 10% of it you would assume that thousands of Chinese lovelies are just sitting there waiting for your letter and prepared to give you a lifetime of  bliss !!!!!

The thousands and thousands of posts in our Forum give the lie to this fraud and tell the REAL truth about the whole process.

If it were possible, I would make it a Law that any man or Woman contemplating a relationship with a foreigner should be forced to read each and every one of the posts made here !!!!

But of course, this is pie in the sky.

2 points come to mind......(and I am as guilty as anyone of ignoring them BEFORE I found the Brotherhood)........

1)..........Sex sells

2)..........If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn't.


But in terms of emotions, it is so easy to ignore them...at your peril.

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 07:00:43 pm »
Amen to that DavidE (and also David 50 in the previous post)!

And my thanks too, Proteus, you continue to be a veritable mine of valuable information for the Brotherhood Forum.

I see your point about about overseas matchmaking being illegal in China has grabbed some hearts and minds - very, very interesting as I fail to see, in the light of that, how the agencies can enforce any 'contractual' marriage fee should the happy couple decide to walk away without paying anything at all.  Mind you, it also poses a number of imponderables regarding Chnloves 'contractual obligations and responsibilities' to its male clients.  Nonetheless, it is very fertile ground to be more closely examined and investigated.

Excellent information Proteus; please keep it coming!

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 08:00:44 pm »
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2. I can have greed card through overseas marriage and see a more colorful world.


I like the misnomer,  I'll add it to my lexicon.  Other misnomer's in the list are: the hamburger joint "Wenchies" the taco stand. "Taco Hell" and the Pizza Joint "Pizza Slut"  I think "Greed Card" is a very good addition.

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 08:56:35 pm »
so chnloves really doesnt have any way to enforce
 their contracts with the ladies? or do they not fall
 into this classification?

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 10:25:12 pm »
Quote from: 'ttwjr32' pid='25557' dateline='1260842195'

so chnloves really doesnt have any way to enforce
 their contracts with the ladies? or do they not fall
 into this classification?


Chnlove doesn't make contracts with the ladies. It is the city run match making agencies that get contracts with the ladies.
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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 10:34:07 pm »
Many of the agencies associated with Chnlove do not have the required government licences that is mandatory to introduce chinese nationals to foreigners.

It is always worth checking to see if the agency you are dealing with has such a licence.  

The individual agenies may not be able to take legal action against non payers but it seems they rely on Chinese Culture for the ladies to pay - if they have a debt they want to pay it.  

Find any loophole where an agency fears that you will take action against them and any claim against the lady is immediately dropped.  This worked for me.

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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 01:28:15 am »
Willy
we should start our own site here. we could be our own
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RE: A piece of news about overseas matchmaking from Chinese Media
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 02:14:45 am »
Could also be why ChinaLove is based in HK and not the Mainland.