so what do you think....?

[victor-hills]

But did he maxx who,s to say what state of mind he was in when he did it,no one really knows but him.Willy i know what your saying about his family forgotten him until now but he,s there blood so they bound to say he did not do it i think we all would becase we remember them befor they may have gone off the railes so no matter wich way its cut its crap,but dont get me wrong i do belive peeps should pay for what they have done but i would not like to be the one who desides who is to die just my pennys worth.

[Willy The Londoner]

Wonder what the penalty is for smuggling Viagra....lol

Well do this and you can really claim insanity.  There is more of that available across the counter than a good chocolate bar.:icon_cheesygrin:

Lets face it - 75% of our family members think we are mad to go to China for love!!!!  

Willy

[Vince G]

I have seen many videos mostly taken from police car cams that had a guy running with a gun or shooting at, whatever and after they get him he or his family on the same video saying he didn't do it, he never had a gun, it wasn't him? Ahh! it's on video....

[brett]

The sentence was harsh, but anyone who smuggles drugs into Asia knows the risks.

What I thought was interesting was the fact that the Chinese authorities stood up to the UK on this issue. China does not now need the West as much as the West needs China. I am certain that this is going to be a big theme in the coming decade.

Let's hope this case doesn't affect relations between the UK and China, as we don't need extra hassle over getting Visas etc.

[Vince G]

It was a harsh sentence but my guess is they have it to deter someone from doing it? I don't believe he had a mental condition. It would have to be severe for someone to talk him into traveling and smuggling drugs and there was no sign of it, until he was caught? I can only think that unless Greed is a mental condition?

[ttwjr32]

he wasnt all there but he was able to comprehend
 so thats what did him in it was for some money
 and thinking it would all fly thru

[Danny]

dont get me wrong i do belive peeps should pay for what they have done but i would not like to be the one who desides who is to die just my pennys worth.

I agree with you, victor. There are people who are deserving of death who manage to avoid it. And there are others who are deserving of mercy and who do not receive that. I am not sure that there is anyone but God who has the wisdom to make decisions about who should live and who should die.

[David5o]

Given the undeniable evidence of guilt, and an individual showing no sign of remorse for what they have done or even attempted to do. I would have no problem whatsoever signing a death warrant for such a person, none whatsoever!!

Saying that, i am generally talking here about the new breed of Islamic terrorists. They are, in my mind not your everyday normal criminals, and should never be thought of or treated as such. Most seem to want to die and become a martyr anyway, so i would be more than pleased to help them on there way....

As for sentencing general criminal types to death, I would need to be 200% sure that the individual(s) involved, was indeed guilty, and that his/her deeds deserved the death warrant. Under normal (if you can call it normal) circumstances, straight forward 1st degree murder, i would consider to be a life sentence without possibility of parole etc!!

David.....

[maxx]

Very interesting here is one to thank about.A 25 year old Chinese woman was picked up at the Beijing airport.For transportation of cocaine in 2007.When Chinese customs opend her bag.There was no cocaine.Just some residue.And that was what the drug sniffing dog picked up.So I want to know what you guy's think happend to the Chinese lady?

[wilsbrough]

Well, i do not want to get too political regarding China here, but when you look into their human rights record, i would doubt the outcome would be too favorable on the lady. I know Thailand also has a zero drugs tolerance policy, there was an 18yr old English girl who spent over a month in a Thai prison, (i would hate to spend 1 night there...) because she was caught passing a joint from one person to another....Not the best way to spend your vacation..! Regarding the Chinese lady I assume she is still in prison, or even worse. But i could be wrong Maxx, so what happened?

Andy...

[David5o]

She was executed, (zero tolerance) if it's the same girl that i read about, while i was still in China!! But then the Chinese were executing around 2500 a year. Now they have removed the ordering of the death penalty from the lower courts around the country, but still seem to be executing around the 1500 mark since that time!! At one time the executions were carried out immediately, just taken from the courtroom to a basement room and shot in the back of the head with a low power round. (they don't like the mess a normal round can create)

The Chinese do not mess around, Frankly i'm surprised that the guy that was executed yesterday was convicted 2 years ago.... that's an awful long time to wait in China and not common!!!

David

[Vince G]

Maxx, I don't know the story of the girl but if it was residue? Then there wasn't any amount, the other guy had kilo's, a big difference.

The story of the girl passing the joint reminded me of another story. A guy in Michigan (US), his story was he was hanging out and a undercover cop came up to him asking for some cocaine. He said he didn't have but ask (and pointed to) that guy over there. They arrested him and he got Life in Prison. For having knowledge of. It took like five years for him to get an appeal after much publicity, which is how I heard about it. He got out.

Here in Florida they have the death penalty. I don't know how many they do but you'll hear about one about once a year.

[maxx]

The Chinese lady was executed.Like David said 0 tolerence.If you guys get a Chance watch broke down palace.It is based on a true story about getting caught running drugs in Thailand.And Vince Vaughan did a movie a few years ago.About the same thing.It was set in Malaysia and it is based on a true story.

The leson these people learned the hard way was do not transport drugs threw Asia.

David I have heard of stays of executions in China.Any where from 6 months to 2 years.I don't know if it is true.I read it on the enternet somewhere.I don't really know why they would stop the executions.From what I read.You were still going to get executed after the time was up.You wern't going to get a new trial.There wasn't going to be new evedince brought forward.So it didn't make much sence to me.

[Willy The Londoner]

As for sentencing general criminal types to death, I would need to be 200% sure that the individual(s) involved, was indeed guilty, and that his/her deeds deserved the death warrant. Under normal (if you can call it normal) circumstances, straight forward 1st degree murder, i would consider to be a life sentence without possibility of parole etc!!

David.....

But then in the UK we would need different styles of prisons where these people came into direct contact with no one - either prisoner or prison officer.  Because a sentence to life without parole would make then very difficult to deal with as no matter what they do or do not do they are not going to be released.   So they could simply kill every person they came into contact with and they could not be punished any more than they have been.   So do we make a law to say - kill a second time and we kill you?   And when does that second time start - immediately after they killed one person or after they have been convicted?

Willy

[rockycoon]

Well no matter what your feelings on the subject are, look at it this way, it does deter drug smuggling and drugs in china. After a while with the  threat of  the death sentence hanging over your head, they quit using drugs...but from what I have heard here and on the net, china has a whole bunch of healthy people because of it.